What Does a PhD Physicist Actually Think About God, Mysticism, and Spiritual Awakening?

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Hey there, welcome to the Skeptic Manifestitions. Today's show is a very special one.

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You know every once in a while you get lucky and you have an opportunity to chat with a bucket

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list guest. Someone that you saved yourself, if only I had the chance to talk with X.

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Well this week we have that exact opportunity because we're welcoming Dr. Theresa Bullard

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to the show. If you don't know who that is, well you're about to have your mind absolutely

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blown. Of course if you already follow Dr. Theresa's work like I do, then you know what

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a fantastic conversation you're about to listen to. Now this conversation promises to be so

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inspirational, so eye-opening, so mesmerizing it. Okay, full disclosure, I'm recording

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this intro after we recorded the interview with her, we were so engaged in our dialogue

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that well it went really long. I know it's totally against character for us, so we are

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presenting the episode just as it was recorded. No story this time around, no musings or

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lessons that come from our meditations, just a fantastic conversation with one of the

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foremost experts in the field of physics that bridges the gap into metaphysics. I promise

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you that this one will blow you away. So what do you say we get started?

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My name is Will and I'm Karen. And unlike Mulder and Scully.

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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world.

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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a Coven of Witches.

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And wait, you joined a Coven? Yep, all in the interest of finding something that will

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prove that there's something beyond this physical three-dimensional world we all live in.

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This is the Skeptic Meditations.

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And now back to the Skeptic Meditations.

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Hi, I'm Will. And I'm Karen.

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Welcome to another episode of the Skeptic Meditations. If you've been around the metaphysical

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or spiritual space for any length of time, then our guest this week needs no introduction.

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But if you're just starting out and are tuning into these topics for the first time, then

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whoo, are you in for one heck of a special treat.

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Dr. Teresa Bullard-Mike is a physicist, author, speaker, and an international teacher. She's

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a change agent and the host of Mystery Teachings on Gaia TV.

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Throughout her life, long journey, she's discovered innovative ways to weave together her formal

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education as a PhD physicist with her deep training in the modern Mystery School lineage.

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That is so exciting to me.

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Now, she's got a passion for bridging science and spiritual travel in a practical way, which

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is why this is so far up our alley.

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She's presented to live audiences all around the world since 2002, and she's helped thousands

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of people awaken to their greater potential.

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I know I say it all the time, Karen, but beyond blessed is what comes to mind today as we welcome

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the esteemed Dr. Teresa to our show.

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Dr. thanks so much for coming on.

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Well, it's a pleasure to join you and thank you for the invitation.

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We are so excited to have you on today.

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Yeah, I would be lying, but I didn't say I'm geeking out just a little bit because I followed

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you for so long that I actually have a conversation with you.

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It's exciting to me.

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And it's not just a little bit.

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It's been a week.

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Okay.

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Long.

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That's deep, Karen.

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Anyway, let's get to the topic, shall we?

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So I don't feel so awkward.

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First question that comes immediately to mind, Dr. Teresa.

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It's not often that a world-renowned physicist with a PhD in the field is quite as open to

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the reality of metaphysics, much less the teachings of the modern mystery school.

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How does someone with your credentials bridge that gap?

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Well, it goes back to ultimately my own journey of becoming a physicist.

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When I, especially once I got into the PhD program, I was immersed into 80 hours a week of just

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left brain science and do the derivations, past the testing, do the research, take all the

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classes and all of that.

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And just in that immersion, after about a year of it, I found myself very out of balance

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and actually very dissatisfied with the experience of pursuing a PhD and it left me depressed

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and it affected everything in my life.

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And so I ended up needing to, for my own well-being and my own sense of joy and purpose, I needed

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to find what's going to bring the balance back to my life, not just the balance, but also

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ultimately the joy and the sense of meaning.

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And I tried all of the little aspects of life that I had prior, like athletics and social

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time and creative hobbies and all of these things and I brought them back in systematically

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into my life.

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And they helped, but the key ultimately ended up being a spiritual dimension to life.

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And so once I dove into realizing that spirituality was important for that sense of joy and purpose,

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I, and I got very excited about it, especially as I was looking at how do the science and

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the metaphysics complement each other, how does quantum physics kind of parallel with

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like very ancient spiritual philosophy.

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And it got me very excited.

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And then as I pursued it further and further, I realized, well, I went through my own healing

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process to realizing how important it was to follow a path of the heart versus just a path

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of the mind.

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And in my, in my process of still pursuing my PhD, I actually was also diving very deep

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into the, the world of the mystery school teachings and Western hermetic teachings and

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Kabbalah and alchemy and, and, and my passion ended up really igniting there.

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And so once I got finished with the PhD process, I thought, I got to follow my heart like I just,

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so just continued to do it.

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And I was already in the midst of it while still kind of had these two parallel lives and,

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one in physics and, and one in metaphysics.

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And then once I got done with my PhD, I thought, I have to merge these two.

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I can't live two separate lives here anymore.

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And, and I chose the metaphysics because I saw that it had the most value direct impact

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in people's lives.

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And how did that feel coming out of the spiritual closets, so to speak?

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Because here you have this physicist.

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And that's a very mainstream kind of scientific mindset.

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Now you're into the woo a little bit.

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How was that?

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Was that easy for you?

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Well, did you get a lot of kind of strange looks?

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How did that go?

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Yeah, it was a process.

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I was very much in a closet, so to speak, as a spiritual scientist.

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And I remember being very afraid while I was in graduate school because in, in the academic

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world of physics, it's very much like, we don't, you know, don't go venturing into those

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woo-woo topics or those pseudo science topics because you're going to lose your credibility

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and whatnot.

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But I, you know, my journey became one of, I need to be true to myself.

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And this is about finding the courage to break out of the mold, to break out of the box.

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And once I realized, you know, I'd actually, I want to pursue a path of trying to bridge

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the science with the spirituality.

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I knew I'm not going to fit in the box, no matter what.

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I'm going to have to just be more on that pioneering front and be okay with not being accepted

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or approved of by everyone.

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But I, you know, by being true to myself and pursuing what I was passionate about, I've,

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I've enjoyed every moment of the journey.

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It's not always been easy, but it's been quite an adventure.

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Well, I want to say personally, thank you for doing that, taking that courageous leap

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because people like me who really, you speak to us, right?

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People who, who can't just accept things off hand to have someone who is a physicist, then

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really start diving into that rabbit hole of metaphysics and spirituality through, through

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the lens of a quantum physics, but still nonetheless, it's exciting for me because now, now I can

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allow myself to really take a look at these things from a way that I can accept rather

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than, oh, come on.

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Right.

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So thank you for that.

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I think the Kabbalah a little bit earlier and we know that you are very deeply entrenched

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in the modern mystery school.

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And I think it touches on a lot of Kabbalah teachings within the school.

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We've not tackled the Kabbalah on the show.

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So for those that may not be aware, can you give us a little bit of a rundown as to what

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that is?

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Hmm.

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Yeah, most people identify Kabbalah as being a mystical branch of Judaism.

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And there is definitely a deep tradition in the Jewish mysticism when it comes to Kabbalah,

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but actually it predates the religion.

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So it's an ancient tradition of wisdom through direct experience.

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It's gnawstic in a way like there's no sense in the sense of having direct visions, direct

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understanding, but it asks some of the biggest questions like how do we get here?

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Where do we come from?

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Why are we here?

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What's our purpose?

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And it has been accumulated and developed as a system of sought plus practices that ultimately

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are about helping us know ourselves and know our connection to the greater universe and

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understand how the divine realms might work.

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And so they work with the tree of life and the tree of life is this sacred geometry glyph

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that they say is the mother of all geometries.

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All the other geometries come from it.

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But it's not really a human invention because it's the same structure that you would find

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inside the lattice of a crystal or inside of our own DNA.

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And so this is really in the Kabbalistic system, it's the blueprint of life and the blueprint

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of creation.

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And we're trying to understand that and gain deeper insight into it.

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And when I first heard about Kabbalah, I had no clue.

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Right over my head every time they talked about it.

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I would get this like internal buzz when they talked about it.

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Like, there's something here I need to know.

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I need to know more about this.

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And I keep getting that this is something for me.

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And so I dove into it.

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And when I dove into it, I realized especially very early on, I was reading about some of the

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creation stories, the cosmology of Kabbalah.

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And then at the same time I was also hearing in astrophysics lectures, the cosmology of

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our modern day astrophysics and how they think the universe came to be.

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And I thought, wow, they're saying the same thing.

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And so these Kabbalists have had this vision and this understanding for thousands of years.

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And now our modern day science is just coming around to saying the same thing, maybe from

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a mathematical language and different use of words, but it's the same essence.

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So I thought, what else do these Kabbalists know?

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And how can their understanding and their wisdom help guide us with some of our modern day

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scientific understanding?

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And it became, the tree of life became like this map for taking everything that I learned

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in physics and mapping it onto the tree of life.

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And everything that I learned, you know, even human psychology and mapping it onto the tree

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of life.

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It's very holographic in that sense. You can apply that same pattern to, you know, the macrocosm

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as you can to the microcosm.

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So just became this amazing tool and system of thought and study for really pulling it all

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together, the science, the metaphysics, the personal, the interpersonal.

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Yeah, it's quite vast, but really amazing.

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So was it more of like an intellectual curiosity that started you bridging the gaps or was

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it a specific, you know, physical and emotional experience that made you really want to bridge

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that, which the two science and metaphysics?

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That's a great question.

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I think it was all of it.

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Except that.

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If I'm all of it.

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Like I've always had this, this curiosity.

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And I've always asked a lot of questions.

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And I wanted, I mean, the thing that actually drove me to become a scientist in the first place

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was that I really wanted to understand the universe and how it worked.

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I remember even before I went into college, I was looking out at the stars at night out

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in the desert.

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You know, we were driving my mom and I were driving from Sedona up to Northern Arizona

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University on a trip during a summer to go and look at different universities.

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And we had just been in Sedona.

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You know, so caveat here, I grew up with a very metaphysical mom.

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And so they didn't really, they didn't really impose or indoctrinate any of me or my siblings

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with their belief system.

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They just allowed us to explore and make up our own minds.

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And as a child, as a teenager, I really held my, not as a child, but as a teenager, I really

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held my mom kind of at arms like because she wore purple all the time and she would arrive

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at school in the purple minivan and pick us up and she, you know, wear very, you know,

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like she was eccentric or what's the word?

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It's not the right word.

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But part of the purple coloring for a show.

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Yes, she's very extroverted and outspoken.

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And, you know, and I just wanted to fit in, right?

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So I really held all this sort of woo woo stuff out at arms like way out there.

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And but I had had the exposure to it.

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I had had exposure to breaky and things like this, the minivan row institute and brainwave

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and training, all these types of things I've been exposed to as a, as a youth.

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But it wasn't until I really got away, you know, off to university and then, and then graduate

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school that I got more interested.

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And so I forgot the question, but I was just sharing my story.

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So I was just curious, yeah, in terms of, that's what it was.

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I was, I was sharing how I got into physics.

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And so I remember looking out the stars thinking, wow, what's out there?

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It's amazing.

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There's so many stars out there.

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I want to know what's out there.

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And that's when I realized, oh, I want to study astronomy or astrophysics.

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And that ultimately what led me into science in the first place.

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So these questions, you know, just always questions and wanting to understand the universe.

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But I would say with Kabbalah and with my own journey in the mystery school, I grew so

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much in my first year.

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I transformed so much.

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I healed so much at an inner level, letting go, you know, changing relationship dynamics,

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like all of this, I really matured and grew through the process of immersing myself in

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the journey of what we call ascending the tree of life through the modern mystery school

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teachings that it was like, I mean, I we covered so much ground in a year.

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mystery school is what really made me like look at this and go, okay, it's more than just

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philosophy.

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It's more than just knowledge and information.

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There's a real powerful transformational experience that's happening here, despite my

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skepticism, despite my intellectualization of everything, and despite my resistance towards

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even looking at my emotional stuff that needed to be cleared, I was transforming through it.

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And that was the results were ultimately what really sold me.

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You are so speaking our language is crazy.

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So then I got to ask the question in your estimation, do you have not a single sliver of doubt

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that this spiritual awakening stuff is real?

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Is there something in the back of your mind that goes, maybe I'm just making this stuff

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up or maybe I'm with like a wish fulfillment thing or are you completely sure this stuff

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is real?

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Well, that no, I'm by now I'm completely sure, but I didn't start that way.

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I started with a lot of doubt, a lot of skepticism, always asking questions, always poking holes

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at the theories and the teachings.

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And what about this and what about that and seeing inconsistencies and how do these two things

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seem like their contradictory, how does it all work?

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But ultimately what I found was it wasn't so much about the understanding at all as much

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as the experiencing it.

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And through my own direct experiences and not rejecting those experiences, but just letting

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them be there.

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I may not understand them, but I cannot doubt that that happened.

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And so those experiences let me know that regardless of whether I directly see it or experience

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it with five physical senses, I know it's happening because there's other things going

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on that I just can't deny.

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And so that experience I think is ultimately what has, it takes you and also with like the

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work we're doing in the tree of life in the mystery school in general, it's like going

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beyond the knowledge into application, into understanding, into serving others with that

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understanding and having direct contact with the spiritual realm.

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And in that direct contact, you move beyond faith and hoping and believing into knowing

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because you've directly experienced it.

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This is a physicist saying this, Karen, it makes me very excited.

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Like she's talking my language.

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No, it's funny because she's talking my language.

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She hops over talks yours.

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She hops over talks mine.

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She speaks a language really quick.

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I know we have a lot of people listening and they might not be familiar with the mystery

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school.

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So can you just tell them what that means?

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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So the mystery school is in, in its original sense, is an ancient tradition that has lineage,

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meaning there's an unbroken line from teacher to student, but not just of the teachings

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and the knowledge, but also of the energetic sort of transmissions, initiatory process.

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So there are actual initiations that take place and that lineage is unbroken.

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So it goes back several thousand years of this unbroken chain of passing on the knowledge,

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the tools, the keys of empowerment and conducting initiations and various activations and various

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things that empower us.

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And then the modern mystery school is ancient lineage and brings forward these teachings

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from ancient times, but it's also has a purpose.

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It has a mission and that mission is towards creating a more peaceful and balanced world.

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And it's always been a bit of a sponge for whatever works, right?

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Whatever ancient or even some modern new paradigm kind of tools and methods that really truly

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work to help awaken people to their full potential and to help us create better lives and help

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us create better communities and so forth.

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Like that is what we are all about.

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So what I loved about it, when I came to it, was that it was one place, and I'd searched,

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I'd done a lot of searching prior to finding it.

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And when I came to the mystery school, the modern mystery school, I loved it because it

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was like everything I'd explored previously, whether it's ancient Egyptian or Shum

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and Native American kind of stuff or the Kvalen, the esoteric or the alchemy, all of these

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things came together in one place.

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So it's not just one system or one spiritual kind of philosophy.

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It takes all of them and whatever they work and understanding, they've all mastered different

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aspects and it comes together in one place where you can access all of it.

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And so it's like, I just found everything I wanted and not only that, it was that the tools,

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the methods, the initiations, the activations, the impairments, everything I've received

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from the mystery school continued to propel me to the next level.

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I never hit that plateau or that wall like this as far as this can take me.

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It just kept going and going and going.

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So as long as I wanted to keep growing, I found a path to do so in the mystery school.

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I know Karen, I'm going to hit you know, I'm going to look into that.

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Traditionally, from my understanding of the mystery school, traditionally, it was very

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exclusive to a certain group of people.

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It was passed down to these very exclusive folks.

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But now it's opening up.

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It's a lot more accessible to a lot of people out there.

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We need to take a quick break.

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But when we come back, we're going to dive deeper into the modern mystery school, but

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also the physics of metaphysics with esteemed physicist, Dr. Theresa, we'll be right back.

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And now back to the skeptic metaphysicians.

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Welcome back to the skeptic metaphysicians.

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We are in an incredible dialogue, a conversation with physicist, Dr. Theresa Bullard-Wike, who

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has graciously dained to meet with us today.

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I'm trying to control my excitement because I've been a fan of Dr. Theresa's for a very

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long time.

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And getting the opportunity to talk to her today just goes beyond what I had hoped so much

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so that I keep forgetting all the questions I want to ask you.

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So we're talking a little bit about the modern mystery school.

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And I do want to continue down that road a little bit.

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But before we go there, as a physicist, I have to ask you the question.

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And I know you bridge both sides of the equation here, so I kind of know where this is going,

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but in your estimation, what is your definition of God?

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You go for the big stuff.

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Hey, I got you once.

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I got to ask you all the questions.

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To me, God is not the sense of a religious, like some kind of patriarchal figure who

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sits on high and judges us.

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That's not my understanding of God.

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And I would say before I came into the mystery school, I had already come to an understanding

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of God as more like this universal spiritual intelligence that's behind everything.

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But we can't anthropomorphize it, meaning we can't like project our humaneness onto it.

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And when I came into Kavala in the mystery school teachings, there's this concept that they

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talk about called ensoff, or ensoff.

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It means without end or limitless.

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And it is the source, it's infinite.

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And in the kebolicic traditions, everything I could say about that source, I could say exactly

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the opposite as well.

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And so it contains everything within it.

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And then there are also levels or maybe different emanations or expressions of that one source

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out.

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And then, you know, so to me, if I were to really define God, I would say everything is

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God.

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I am God, you are God, we are God, everything is God.

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And I look at it all as, you know, in the principle of as above so below.

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So if I want to know God, I need to know myself.

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And if I just look at my own body, for example, right, we have a physical vessel here, that's

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not who I am, but it is a vessel, a vessel.

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And it is a means by which I can accomplish certain things in this physical experience.

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And this body, if we just, you know, look at the anatomy of it, we have all these different

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systems, right?

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We have our circulatory system and our lymph system and the nervous system, you know,

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all these different systems have different organs and those organs are made up of different

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tissues and different cells and then down to the very DNA.

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I look at God as something like that, that the universe is like the body of God and there's

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different systems within that body that, you know, like what we might call in chivalistic

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tradition, we might call an archangel or an angel is sort of like the head of a different

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system, maybe a major organ of a system that operates within the flow of health and vitality

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within the whole system of the divine and the universe.

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And it's all important, it's all interconnected, it's all a very integrated living system and

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no one part is more important than another.

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They're just, you go from this sort of oneness or wholeness to the infinite diversity

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and we're like the cells of the body of God.

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So I use this principle of correspondence of Vaz above so below a lot because it, you know,

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it really helps us gain a lot of insight into who we are and the universe and how we fit

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into the bigger picture.

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What about love?

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Does that factor in it all?

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I have for sure.

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Love is, I would say love is a force of creation.

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It's like the number one energy we talk about, the agape love.

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You know that love that comes from the divine source and that that is the main force that

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drives creation forward that allow it's the extension of that will of the divine to reach

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out and awaken all the various potentials that are there within the universe.

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And love is, so it's not really an emotion, it's not really a romantic thing.

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In the sense of love, it's a force of creation but it's one of the most powerful.

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A force of creation.

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I love that.

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So then Dr. Theresa, why are we here?

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Like why if we are cells from the body of God, why did God shed us onto this planet to do

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what?

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You want to get into the deep, my physical teachings?

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Of course.

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You're down in like five minutes because you know it.

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Yeah, keep it short, right?

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I'll come back to one of the capitalistic teachings if I may.

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Now, I want to also say that the mystery school teachings are not all capitalistic.

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There's hermetic teachings.

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There's capitalistic, there's alchemical, there's shamanah.

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There's a lot of different teachings but I like, Kvala is a good language for me.

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But even in the teachings of hermys, he says that humankind was created with two nature

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structures.

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One was the spiritual or the immortal, the eternal nature and the other was the physical

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or the mortal, the somewhat limited nature.

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And because of these two natures, we were created to become even greater than the quote

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gods from the ancient sort of systems.

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And so we have, because of our, in a way, it is, we come from one source but we've come

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into an experience that is dual and because of that dual nature, we have extra challenge.

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And in that extra challenge, we have the potential, we have the opportunity to grow beyond what

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we would have been had we only stayed in the spiritual nature.

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So there's an alchemy that happens.

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And so alchemy works through the tension and the interaction of differences.

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And so when you bring physical and spiritual together which are very different, it creates

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an alchemical process or opportunity.

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Now you can stay stuck in that.

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Like a lot of people are kind of, they get lost in the physicality of things and they

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lose track of the spiritual side.

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And they then, they don't really progress.

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They don't go through the alchemy.

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If I try to prod them forward with different experiences, but they have to at some point

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consciously and purposely take up that journey of alchemy of transformation.

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Alchemy means the transformation and transmutation of ourself to a higher form.

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And then you have the people who are just purely wanting to hang out in the spiritual bliss

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and check out of the physical life.

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And that also doesn't take you through the alchemy because it's really easy to be enlightened

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when you're living in a cave or on the mountain type or in the arch-tron.

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And you're not actually immersed in life dealing with the reality of the physical world.

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So it's actually through, in the Western Mystery School tradition, it's through the living

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spiritual life while still engaged in a very physical kind of experience of life, engaging

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with people, engaging with the dynamics of life.

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That we have the highest opportunity for the alchemy to happen through the tension of

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the differences.

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But we have to walk both worlds.

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And so one of the reasons why we're here is to maximize that potential and become even

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greater than what we were when we were just pure spirit.

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And there's a lot of other deeper, I mean, there's so many ways I could go with that.

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But this is something that we teach very deeply and within the Mystery School tradition.

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And in our, actually, in our empowered self class, the first step of initiation that we do,

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we dive pretty deep into this conversation, but it's a good long two-hour, long conversation.

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But I think this is the first time I'm living with more questions.

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They're mystery now.

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I want to know if I'm a way.

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I want to know if this is how I'm doing this.

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Yeah, this you do.

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So one thing I want to ask now with the Mystery Teachings, is there the belief in reincarnation

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as well?

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Or do you just come one time and just do it all?

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We have a different model that does not include reincarnation, but it's not like a one and

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done.

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It's not like a Christian kind of, you know, if you come and don't come to a perfect,

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you know, acceptance of Jesus, your Lord and Savior, then you're damned to hell.

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You know, we don't do that either.

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And we don't, you know, the challenge with the reincarnation model is you have to come

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back again and again and again, but you forget what you learned before.

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And yet you have to come and you have to do it perfectly to escape the karmic wheel, but

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you're not going to remember what you learned before.

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So it's like flunking grade school over and over and over again and never being told

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what you did wrong.

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So it actually kind of, we see it as a model that actually gets in the way of our progression.

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And so we have a different model.

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We do talk about past lives, but from a different perspective and we do talk about what you can

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do beyond this life as a way to continue growing and resolving cleaning up karmic and so forth.

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But what you do here and now in this life matters a lot.

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And so make the most of this life.

455
00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:36,220
Do the best you can to evolve and grow and what not while you're here.

456
00:32:36,220 --> 00:32:38,380
And again, this is like a two hour long conversation.

457
00:32:38,380 --> 00:32:42,380
So to get into the depths of it, I'm just going to say like come and do the empower yourself

458
00:32:42,380 --> 00:32:46,340
if you want to know more about that because it's in our first step of initiation.

459
00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:51,740
We lay in all of these core foundational teachings and then we give you lots of tools to work

460
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:58,460
with to really start taking bigger strides on that path to knowing theyself.

461
00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:05,020
Dr. Teresa, over a hundred episodes, Karen has been asking that question and you finally gave her the answer.

462
00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:06,020
She was looking for.

463
00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:11,300
So I gave her a new opportunity to think it even more answers.

464
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:11,540
Right?

465
00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:12,300
Yes.

466
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:13,300
Yeah.

467
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:17,100
The one thing I found with the Michigan School teachings is that with every question that was answered

468
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,300
about a thousand more questions would open up.

469
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:26,140
So, but that's great because that's that that encourages our pursuit to explore even further

470
00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:29,420
and open our minds and expand our consciousness.

471
00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:32,580
Glad that we got on the conversation in the modern mystery school because it is something

472
00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:34,420
that I've been curious about for a long time.

473
00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:38,580
I think this is going to launch me into a deeper investigation into it.

474
00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:45,060
Now earlier on the show, you had mentioned that you had had these experiences that you felt

475
00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:46,980
were the proof you needed, right?

476
00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:51,180
Not the intellectual part of it, but rather things that you experienced.

477
00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:54,380
I don't want to put you in a spot, but is there anything any kind of experiences that

478
00:33:54,380 --> 00:34:01,620
you can share with us that helped you to understand that this path is ideal for you?

479
00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:02,620
Hmm.

480
00:34:02,620 --> 00:34:05,980
Ah, every step of the way.

481
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:10,660
I'll start with just the first, you know, my first step within this path was to get receive

482
00:34:10,660 --> 00:34:12,980
something called a life activation.

483
00:34:12,980 --> 00:34:14,140
And I had that a lot.

484
00:34:14,140 --> 00:34:18,940
It's just a one-on-one private session where you, you know, it's like involving some energy,

485
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:24,300
kind of energy balancing, but then it also awakens some of the DNA blueprints.

486
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:25,660
It's like, within us.

487
00:34:25,660 --> 00:34:30,140
And I had lots of different sessions by then, energy sessions.

488
00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:36,020
I thought I'd already activated my DNA through just my own intentions and so forth and some

489
00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:37,020
practices.

490
00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:43,580
But when I went and I was open but skeptical, asking lots of questions, I felt the energy.

491
00:34:43,580 --> 00:34:47,860
It's like, okay, you know, I didn't knock my socks off, but afterwards was what really impressed

492
00:34:47,860 --> 00:34:48,860
me.

493
00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:54,260
It was that, you know, even if I forgot about it, it kicked off this sequence of, you know,

494
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:57,420
incremental adjustments in my life.

495
00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:59,860
More self-awareness came in.

496
00:34:59,860 --> 00:35:05,620
Realizations of what I was, what choices I was making my life that was serving what wasn't,

497
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:07,460
how I might do it differently.

498
00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:11,380
And you know, I started making all these little changes in life at a very practical level,

499
00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:12,780
all from that one life activation.

500
00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:14,980
It was all very intuitive.

501
00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:19,340
And then an informance down the line was when I was for the first time able to put my

502
00:35:19,340 --> 00:35:23,020
finger on the dot of, oh, this is what I want to do with my life.

503
00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:25,740
This is why I want to get this physics PhD.

504
00:35:25,740 --> 00:35:28,700
This is where I want to go with it afterwards.

505
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:33,660
And that bridging science and spirituality only came formants, like within formants after.

506
00:35:33,660 --> 00:35:35,500
Prior to that, I didn't know what I wanted to do.

507
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:39,700
I was just following the system.

508
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:42,420
So that just started a whole sequence.

509
00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:47,860
And then when I got initiated for the first time, I found that it sped up my progression,

510
00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:49,340
like 10 times faster.

511
00:35:49,340 --> 00:35:53,420
It accelerated, everything started to speed up in my growth.

512
00:35:53,420 --> 00:35:58,860
Ultimately, I became so impressed with the results that I was getting from whether it

513
00:35:58,860 --> 00:36:02,740
was a healing or another initiation or whatever it was I was receiving.

514
00:36:02,740 --> 00:36:05,780
But I thought, well, I want to be able to share this with others.

515
00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:12,180
And as I started sharing with others, especially when I became someone who could initiate others,

516
00:36:12,180 --> 00:36:21,560
it was in that moment in initiating someone that I feel so much flow from this beautiful,

517
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:27,300
spiritual energy, this overwhelming joy and like blasting your heart open kind of energy

518
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:32,420
all during that ceremony, when I'm initiating, especially.

519
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:37,940
And you get this, every person you initiate, there's a different energy that comes through

520
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:39,740
because each person is unique.

521
00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:44,540
And so when you're the person conducting that ceremony for others, it's like you feel,

522
00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:48,780
all the differences you feel people's ancestors come forward, you feel like different keys

523
00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:49,780
waking up for them.

524
00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:51,540
I mean, it's so amazing.

525
00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:55,900
And I know, I know, like when I'm on that initiation, blind, it is like, there's no doubting

526
00:36:55,900 --> 00:37:00,180
this because it's so clear and it's so present.

527
00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:04,900
And every time I met mystery school classes, it's like, I'm in such a clear space.

528
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:10,780
Like I get so many downloads and so much ideas and clarity of what I want to do moving forward

529
00:37:10,780 --> 00:37:15,540
and then I have to journal it because it's when you step out of that energy that life

530
00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:20,460
can come in and it can kind of distract or make you forget a little bit.

531
00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:24,660
So I find that when I'm in the energy of the mystery school, it's so clear and so high

532
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:30,860
that naturally so that there's no denying it.

533
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:31,860
Wow.

534
00:37:31,860 --> 00:37:33,860
Sounds amazing.

535
00:37:33,860 --> 00:37:39,060
Let me just remind everyone, this is a physicist, a PhD talking about this stuff.

536
00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:43,300
I know modern mystery school has a lot of different traditions into the teachings and

537
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:49,620
things like that, but is there anything in the, I guess, the new age movement, although

538
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:55,820
that's a terrible word these days, but any traditions that you feel are closest to helping

539
00:37:55,820 --> 00:37:57,860
someone to spiritual awaken.

540
00:37:57,860 --> 00:38:00,140
I watch your out of body experiences.

541
00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:01,140
Here's how you do it.

542
00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:08,140
I've always been listening to show, knows astral projection, out of body experiences are my

543
00:38:08,140 --> 00:38:09,140
Nirvana, right?

544
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:13,900
That's what I'm striving to achieve at some point, never have, but I still have hope that

545
00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:15,260
someday I'll get there.

546
00:38:15,260 --> 00:38:21,580
Is that what we should be focusing on is the actual experiences of astral travel, medium

547
00:38:21,580 --> 00:38:25,940
ship, rakey healing, that kind of thing, or the distractions or what's the best way to

548
00:38:25,940 --> 00:38:29,700
move forward to spiritually awaken in your estimation?

549
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:31,340
That's a really good question.

550
00:38:31,340 --> 00:38:32,340
Thank you for asking.

551
00:38:32,340 --> 00:38:34,420
I was like six questions.

552
00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:38,300
I just figured I'd get them all in one timing.

553
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:45,620
This is something I've actually been really observing and contemplating a lot lately is

554
00:38:45,620 --> 00:38:48,220
what is happening within the new age movement.

555
00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:52,860
I started off, I wouldn't say I started off new age, but I started off, yeah, I started

556
00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:53,860
off as a scientist, right?

557
00:38:53,860 --> 00:38:58,540
So I was actually very skeptical with new age because it comes with a lot of promise,

558
00:38:58,540 --> 00:39:04,820
but not a lot, always a lot of delivery or following through on those promises.

559
00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:10,900
There's a lot of hand waving in terms of like, this is why it works, but it's really

560
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:11,900
at the service level.

561
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:21,100
Yeah, but I had a lot of exposure to the new age and what I think there's some good things

562
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:24,780
and I think there's some really not good things happening in the new age and I think it

563
00:39:24,780 --> 00:39:27,220
really requires a lot of discernment.

564
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:31,820
The modern history school, the mystery school tradition in general is not new age.

565
00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:39,500
It's ancient and it's lineage based, it's tradition based and it's tried and true.

566
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:45,180
And so I found personally that I could put more of my trust in it because it was a tried

567
00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:52,020
and true well walked path versus an experimental, well, let's just play around with this phenomenon

568
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:53,620
and that phenomenon.

569
00:39:53,620 --> 00:40:01,860
But I find in the new age movement today, it is and there's a lot of spiritual leaders

570
00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:07,740
out there who are promoting these phenomenal, phenomenal, you know, the phenomenology of

571
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:08,740
it all, right?

572
00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:15,700
So let's promote the experience and let's create some kind of immersive like retreat where

573
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:20,340
people can have the experience and the whole goal is about having the experience.

574
00:40:20,340 --> 00:40:26,020
After we're talking an ayahuasca event or an out of body journey or a mediumship kind

575
00:40:26,020 --> 00:40:30,580
of paranormal thing, there's all this phenomenology happening.

576
00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:37,060
And I think it's really dangerous because the experience is not the goal.

577
00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:41,300
I think that these tools are important, like some of these tools are important and many

578
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:45,340
of these tools come out of the ancient mystery tradition, but the way in which they've

579
00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:54,100
been sort of extrapolated out of their context and made to be the thing is a bit misleading.

580
00:40:54,100 --> 00:41:00,500
So, for example, as a travel, you know, this is a really important tool that we use in

581
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:03,340
order to know thyself.

582
00:41:03,340 --> 00:41:08,420
It's not about having the experience of an out of body thing, you know, that's the phenomena

583
00:41:08,420 --> 00:41:13,980
of it that I think some people feel like, well, if I can have that, then it proves to

584
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:17,060
me that I am more than my physical body.

585
00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:19,260
And I need that proof, right?

586
00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:24,940
Or I need something that's going to blast me open because my ego is so strong or because

587
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:26,660
my mind and my doubt is so strong.

588
00:41:26,660 --> 00:41:30,460
So I have to have something that just like is beyond what I can doubt.

589
00:41:30,460 --> 00:41:33,140
And so I'm going to go and have that psychedelic experience.

590
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:37,140
And then I, you know, I'll know that it gets me go out of the way and then I have the experience.

591
00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:40,380
So there's this chasing, you know, we call it chasing the dragon.

592
00:41:40,380 --> 00:41:43,100
We're chasing the experience.

593
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:46,860
And that experience, okay, you might have that experience, but then what, what are you going

594
00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:47,860
to do with that?

595
00:41:47,860 --> 00:41:48,860
What is that about?

596
00:41:48,860 --> 00:41:53,300
And if you make it about the experience, then people keep chasing the experience and they

597
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:57,540
have to do it again and again and again, whatever it was that got them to that experience.

598
00:41:57,540 --> 00:42:04,700
And it's very easy to kind of lose track of the real purpose of why we're here.

599
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:10,220
We're here to awaken our full potential, but we're also here to create a world of balance

600
00:42:10,220 --> 00:42:11,700
and a world of peace.

601
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:17,420
If I'm so stuck on chasing the dragon, I'm losing track of the fact that I need to serve

602
00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:19,860
and make this world a better place.

603
00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:25,060
And so our goal in the mystery tradition is not to chase the experience.

604
00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:29,420
We will have experiences along the way.

605
00:42:29,420 --> 00:42:36,660
That's a natural byproduct of actually awakening and expanding your consciousness by using

606
00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:37,500
the tool.

607
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:44,020
It will happen, but the ultimate goal is to know thyself, to realize what your true purpose

608
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:51,540
in life is and to serve and help bring these higher revelations to others as well so that

609
00:42:51,540 --> 00:42:55,460
we can create a better world together because we're here to co-create that.

610
00:42:55,460 --> 00:43:03,660
So I think that the aim between new age versus mystery school is very different.

611
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:09,540
But you will have the experiences along the way as you are awakening.

612
00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:14,260
That's just a natural part of the process, but you got to be careful about forcing it.

613
00:43:14,260 --> 00:43:17,860
And when you force it, there can be consequences.

614
00:43:17,860 --> 00:43:19,740
It can get dangerous.

615
00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:25,020
And this is why often the mystery school, as you mentioned before, they've been closed

616
00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:29,220
door because there are very powerful tools and techniques, but we have to be mature enough

617
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:36,140
to really understand what the bigger aim is versus just chasing after the experience.

618
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:41,180
Or I want to be powerful and magical and so give me the knowledge and give me the tools.

619
00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:44,540
You know, the entitlement stuff is what we need to shift.

620
00:43:44,540 --> 00:43:45,540
Yep.

621
00:43:45,540 --> 00:43:47,500
I feel so called out right now.

622
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:48,500
I know.

623
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:49,500
Sorry.

624
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:52,020
No, no, you're absolutely right.

625
00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:53,020
And it is.

626
00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:58,060
You are 100% correct that my goal for the astral travel for me, for out of body experiences,

627
00:43:58,060 --> 00:43:59,380
is to get that proof.

628
00:43:59,380 --> 00:44:03,900
I've always been one that I need to feel it, touch it, see it, taste it, whatever.

629
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:08,020
Just I need some sort of physical proof that this stuff is there for me to believe it.

630
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:13,380
And to me, out of body experience would be that if I really felt it, then that was real.

631
00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:16,540
Like they say, we've interviewed people who have talked about astral projection.

632
00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:19,820
They talked about it being more real than the reality we're in.

633
00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:21,660
These are feels that way.

634
00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:23,740
That would convince me once and for all.

635
00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:27,780
Now instead, I'm having these great conversations with people like you, Dr. Teresa,

636
00:44:27,780 --> 00:44:34,180
that come from my world, my viewpoint, that allow me to then say, okay, I can surrender

637
00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:40,660
that expectation of that expectation of proof of physicality in favor of a more mature

638
00:44:40,660 --> 00:44:42,180
thought process behind the stuff.

639
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:45,660
And I appreciate people like you coming on the show and talking to us about this stuff.

640
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:46,660
Yeah.

641
00:44:46,660 --> 00:44:52,140
And, you know, I mean, I can relate because I, as a scientist, I was taught, well, you

642
00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:53,620
got to prove it to me.

643
00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:55,020
And then I'll believe it.

644
00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:56,020
Right.

645
00:44:56,020 --> 00:45:00,420
And prove it to me in a way that is not like it's objective.

646
00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:04,180
It needs to be an objective proof, not a subjective proof.

647
00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:07,700
And so that was my training.

648
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:17,380
And in my own journey, I had to learn that that attachment was to meeting the proof from

649
00:45:17,380 --> 00:45:25,980
some external thing was actually, it was just, it was programming of the ego.

650
00:45:25,980 --> 00:45:32,940
And that the true spiritual connection is actually very subtle.

651
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:38,660
And we have, you know, Kabbalah, there's, I think there's a beautiful lesson in the translation

652
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:40,500
of the word Kabbalah.

653
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:42,700
Kabbalah means to receive.

654
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:47,540
But sometimes it's also translated as to accept.

655
00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:50,820
And sometimes they also talk about it as to reveal.

656
00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:55,820
So in order for me to receive a revelation, I have to accept it.

657
00:45:55,820 --> 00:46:00,940
And in that acceptance, so sometimes that it comes through in a very subtle way.

658
00:46:00,940 --> 00:46:04,060
And if I reject it, I've just closed the door to it.

659
00:46:04,060 --> 00:46:08,380
But if I accept it and I allow it in, then it expands.

660
00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:10,660
And then it can reveal.

661
00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:13,860
And then it can, that revelation can lead to a revolution.

662
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:19,180
So we need to move away from, especially in America, sorry, and I'm an American too, but

663
00:46:19,180 --> 00:46:20,660
at travel all over the world.

664
00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:25,580
Like, in America, you know, it's like we need everything to be bigger than life.

665
00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:28,980
In order for us to, you know, feel like it's real.

666
00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:34,580
And that's not how it works when it comes to true spiritual progression.

667
00:46:34,580 --> 00:46:39,900
Sometimes it's the smallest subtlest shift, but it means a lot when you, you know, when it

668
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:42,740
really impacts your day-to-day life.

669
00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:43,740
Right?

670
00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:48,340
So it's the day-to-day things that create a whole new pattern, a whole new way of life that

671
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:56,240
brings greater quality and sense of knowing yourself and sense of direction and connection

672
00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:00,980
to spirit all of this on a day-to-day basis that can be small.

673
00:47:00,980 --> 00:47:08,700
But in the accumulative effect on a day-to-day life experience, it makes a huge difference.

674
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:18,260
And so instead of the sort of old, I had to really shift from the seeing is believing paradigm.

675
00:47:18,260 --> 00:47:25,780
And come to this just allowing, opening up to possibilities and just allowing without judging

676
00:47:25,780 --> 00:47:28,980
as good or bad or right or wrong or yes or no.

677
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:35,660
And this is where we come into more of a quantum mindset is allowing there to be many possibilities

678
00:47:35,660 --> 00:47:36,660
simultaneously.

679
00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:42,140
But then ultimately, you know, when it's stepping into the magical realm, it was believing

680
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:43,140
as seeing.

681
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:48,180
That sometimes our mind, if we doubt something, if we don't believe, we will block ourselves

682
00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:49,740
from seeing it.

683
00:47:49,740 --> 00:47:51,780
But it can be right in front of our face.

684
00:47:51,780 --> 00:47:57,700
And so we have to actually shift to opening up to possibilities and believe.

685
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:03,780
And as you start to allow that belief to be there, at least as a possibility, you can

686
00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:06,060
start to perceive.

687
00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:14,300
And so it's believing is seeing is the way we shift into the mystical.

688
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:18,620
And so yeah, I really had to reprogram my mind and my way of thinking.

689
00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:23,500
And you know, it's important to be, I think, discerning, right?

690
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:25,300
Discerning is really important.

691
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:29,340
But I did have to overcome some of the skepticism.

692
00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:35,940
And you know, I think some degree skepticism is always good because it caused you to

693
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:38,180
question and discern.

694
00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:45,220
But you know, we have to also move beyond like needing the blaring in your face, obvious

695
00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:48,940
sort of experience to prove it to me.

696
00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:53,380
Because only when I let go of needing it to be proven to me, did it finally really prove

697
00:48:53,380 --> 00:48:54,380
itself to me.

698
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:58,820
So there's an awful lot of trust involved because you're putting yourself in a really vulnerable

699
00:48:58,820 --> 00:49:02,900
position where you're just having to believe it or to trust that it's real.

700
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:07,340
And while I was thinking about you talking about the five senses and feeling, I mean, feeling

701
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:10,100
is it's a big one and they can have two different meanings.

702
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:13,300
It can be like something you feel with your hand, but you also have to look at it as something

703
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:15,140
you can feel inside.

704
00:49:15,140 --> 00:49:17,940
So you can't negate those feelings because those are just as real as something you're

705
00:49:17,940 --> 00:49:18,940
feeling with your hand.

706
00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:20,780
Yeah, it's hard for me to feel them, right?

707
00:49:20,780 --> 00:49:24,820
Because I'm so disconnected throughout life that like Dr. Trees is talking, it's such a

708
00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:28,980
subtle feel that I, it just, like I've never felt anything.

709
00:49:28,980 --> 00:49:32,380
I'm sure I have, but I haven't noticed the feeling.

710
00:49:32,380 --> 00:49:39,380
This is where this is where the, I think the mystery school has various methods for helping

711
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:42,500
activate and awaken our senses.

712
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:49,380
So like when I, I got the life activation, it started to connect me more to the intuition.

713
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:53,500
I had an intuition, I always had intuition, but I always, I often doubted it and negated

714
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:54,940
it in my mind.

715
00:49:54,940 --> 00:49:57,660
I'd rationalize it away.

716
00:49:57,660 --> 00:50:03,300
And then as I got into the higher levels of training, so with the, empower the self-nation,

717
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:08,660
for example, the first step, we help you to learn tools and techniques where you can broaden

718
00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:09,660
your senses.

719
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:14,900
And what some people call the sixth sense is actually just a broadening of your perception

720
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:16,980
of the five physical senses.

721
00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:23,700
And you can train them to, to become more in tune with even the subtle things and, and

722
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:28,300
it's through practice, right? And then there's also something called the five spiritual senses.

723
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:32,500
And so when you go to like our, our second step of initiation, we're really working with

724
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:39,060
people on how to perceive through their energy field and through the five spiritual senses.

725
00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:43,500
And, and science today we call this the bio field, but you get more in tune with it.

726
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:49,020
And through my process of actually doing the activations on people, at first I actually

727
00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:51,300
thought, well, I don't, I don't know what I'm doing.

728
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:52,300
I don't know what I'm feeling.

729
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,060
I don't perceive any of this.

730
00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:57,340
I'm just following the protocol and trusting, right?

731
00:50:57,340 --> 00:51:01,340
And, and hoping that it's doing something, but then the feedback kept coming and then the

732
00:51:01,340 --> 00:51:04,380
more I did, the more I started to perceive.

733
00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:09,060
And so we can train ourselves to be come more open.

734
00:51:09,060 --> 00:51:13,100
And I think that's the better way of doing it is, is you're creating new neural pathways

735
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:19,740
within and, and you're broadening your range of perception that your, your senses and

736
00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:24,980
your, your, both your nervous system as well as the framework of our energy field is attuned

737
00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:25,980
to.

738
00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:30,980
So it's just learning to tune into the right frequencies and, and everyone can learn this.

739
00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:34,860
I've, I've had lots of people come through the process who said, I can't feel anything.

740
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:38,580
I don't know, you know, and they needed it all coming through the mind.

741
00:51:38,580 --> 00:51:43,180
But then they, as they went through the steps, they did start to, to feel and perceive.

742
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:47,420
And the more you practice it, the more you will become aware of it.

743
00:51:47,420 --> 00:51:49,020
So it's very possible.

744
00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:53,260
I should put it out there because someone like me who feels like I don't feel that, that

745
00:51:53,260 --> 00:51:54,860
to know that anyone can do it, it's great.

746
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:58,020
But then the question here's, inpatient will coming in.

747
00:51:58,020 --> 00:51:59,020
What's the time?

748
00:51:59,020 --> 00:52:00,660
Like how long is this like a 20 year thing?

749
00:52:00,660 --> 00:52:02,140
Or is it, can I start feeling it?

750
00:52:02,140 --> 00:52:03,820
I, I know it's probably everyone's different.

751
00:52:03,820 --> 00:52:08,660
I know that, but like for the initiation part of the modern mystery school, for example,

752
00:52:08,660 --> 00:52:10,100
how long is that period of time?

753
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:12,220
You know, that depends on the person.

754
00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:20,620
So, you know, within the first year, within just, you know, life activation step number one,

755
00:52:20,620 --> 00:52:25,140
first step of initiation step number two, you get a lot of tools to start working with

756
00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:26,740
right away.

757
00:52:26,740 --> 00:52:31,220
And within a year, you could be, you know, really perceiving in a whole new way.

758
00:52:31,220 --> 00:52:33,220
But it depends on your use.

759
00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:39,380
Depends on your, your desire to apply the tools and to practice and to work with the techniques

760
00:52:39,380 --> 00:52:41,380
that are given.

761
00:52:41,380 --> 00:52:46,460
You know, I've, again, I've had people who've gone just to the, the next step, which is the,

762
00:52:46,460 --> 00:52:50,500
the second step of initiation, the healer's academy and they, they walk in there going,

763
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,740
I can't feel any of this, they walk out going, oh my god, it felt it, I felt it.

764
00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:58,740
You know, so, so that's just within a year, people can accomplish that.

765
00:52:58,740 --> 00:53:04,020
But it, it really depends on the individual and their will to use the tools to build up

766
00:53:04,020 --> 00:53:07,980
the pathways within oneself because it is just a matter of training, just like a

767
00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:15,140
blind, you know, somebody who, who is born seeing and then at some point loses their eyesight,

768
00:53:15,140 --> 00:53:20,460
they have to train themselves in a whole new way to perceive the world around them.

769
00:53:20,460 --> 00:53:23,900
And they have to become more adapted at the sense of touch, at the sense of hearing.

770
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:25,060
We can all do that.

771
00:53:25,060 --> 00:53:28,460
We don't need to lose our sight to develop those senses.

772
00:53:28,460 --> 00:53:30,700
So it's just a matter of practice.

773
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:36,220
And that's how we rewire the brain and that's how we become more kind of open up the

774
00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:39,060
veils of our own perception.

775
00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:47,540
So have you ever had like a intuitive gut feeling, you know, like something's not right or

776
00:53:47,540 --> 00:53:50,540
like, you know, I really need to be paying attention here.

777
00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:53,740
So our, that, that is intuition, right?

778
00:53:53,740 --> 00:53:58,660
You can feel and often, every single person is doing this, you know, in modern science,

779
00:53:58,660 --> 00:54:00,820
they call it thin slicing.

780
00:54:00,820 --> 00:54:08,460
They're taking in information constantly and our deep brain, right?

781
00:54:08,460 --> 00:54:16,180
The old brain is, is measuring this information through the senses and communicating it to maybe

782
00:54:16,180 --> 00:54:19,100
the higher parts of our brain.

783
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:24,100
But within two seconds, it's actually been scientifically proven that within two seconds

784
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:31,300
or less, you can size up a situation to 85% accuracy.

785
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:36,460
And that, that what science is calling thin slicing, that's our intuition.

786
00:54:36,460 --> 00:54:40,620
It's, it's the nervous system just taking in information and coming up with a snap judgment

787
00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:41,620
about something.

788
00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:46,700
Now, we have to be careful of how our biases filter or color our snap judgments.

789
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:49,740
So there's also this process of quieting the mind, right?

790
00:54:49,740 --> 00:54:53,260
And the more you can, like meditation is a major tool for quieting the mind, the more

791
00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:58,940
we quiet the mind, and we don't come up with those judgments and lay them on top of what

792
00:54:58,940 --> 00:55:02,180
we're perceiving, then we can just perceive.

793
00:55:02,180 --> 00:55:08,900
And so, you know, these tools like meditation, various energy practices and things we might

794
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:15,060
call rituals, chance like all of these things help tune us in to these frequencies.

795
00:55:15,060 --> 00:55:16,060
But we all have it.

796
00:55:16,060 --> 00:55:17,060
It's all there.

797
00:55:17,060 --> 00:55:19,660
We just may not realize how we're using it.

798
00:55:19,660 --> 00:55:24,140
But it's also a process of just becoming more conscious of how we perceive, because everyone

799
00:55:24,140 --> 00:55:26,100
perceives it differently.

800
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:28,140
Some are really kinesthetic.

801
00:55:28,140 --> 00:55:32,580
Some are really visual, some are auditory, some are kinesthetic.

802
00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:37,700
I think that kinesthetic people have the most challenging time because they think they

803
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:42,180
should be seeing it, they should be hearing it, they should be having these amazing visions.

804
00:55:42,180 --> 00:55:46,060
But instead, it's a physical sensation.

805
00:55:46,060 --> 00:55:49,900
And you feel like you're meditating, but you feel like you're in a cloud of darkness, but

806
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:51,900
you're feeling something, but you don't know what you're feeling.

807
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:53,580
And it can be really frustrating.

808
00:55:53,580 --> 00:55:54,580
That's how I was.

809
00:55:54,580 --> 00:56:02,700
You know, I'm very kinesthetic and I can visualize, but it's a secondary strength.

810
00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:06,540
And so sometimes I just feel like I'm sitting in a cloud of darkness and I don't know what

811
00:56:06,540 --> 00:56:10,420
I'm feeling or why I'm feeling that I can feel, but I don't know why.

812
00:56:10,420 --> 00:56:15,940
And I had to hone this ability in, but down the line, it creates something we call

813
00:56:15,940 --> 00:56:21,660
clear sentience, which is just, you just know, you don't have to interpret it.

814
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:23,140
You just know it.

815
00:56:23,140 --> 00:56:28,740
And that is actually the highest form of psychic ability is this clear sentience, but it,

816
00:56:28,740 --> 00:56:30,900
you know, something that we train over time.

817
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:34,740
So yeah, see that would be useful when people start dating.

818
00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:39,740
You're saying a lot of time, a lot of heartache.

819
00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:42,380
You know, but then we would be very close.

820
00:56:42,380 --> 00:56:46,100
But they just, they just reject it because they want it so badly, right?

821
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:48,460
That's a very good point.

822
00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:53,100
Well, then of course, the more you practice it, the better you're going to be at it.

823
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:55,940
The easier it's going to come to you is just like everything else in life.

824
00:56:55,940 --> 00:56:59,540
If you're sitting on your couch, will and expect the things to come to you, then it's

825
00:56:59,540 --> 00:57:00,540
not going to happen.

826
00:57:00,540 --> 00:57:02,180
Well, you got to put some effort into it.

827
00:57:02,180 --> 00:57:07,060
And that's really the story of what we're talking about here because it is just like

828
00:57:07,060 --> 00:57:10,620
another muscle that you were having to work out to make it happen.

829
00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:11,620
Exactly.

830
00:57:11,620 --> 00:57:12,620
Yeah.

831
00:57:12,620 --> 00:57:18,260
I love, I can just sit here and listen to you talk for days.

832
00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:21,260
Quickly before we go, what's the first step?

833
00:57:21,260 --> 00:57:26,180
Besides obviously reaching out to the modern ministry school, if someone's not ready to do

834
00:57:26,180 --> 00:57:30,620
that just yet, but they are interested in moving forward with their spiritual awakening,

835
00:57:30,620 --> 00:57:35,060
what would you say would be the first step someone who's just starting out should do?

836
00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:36,060
Hmm.

837
00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:38,820
Well, practice meditation.

838
00:57:38,820 --> 00:57:41,660
And even a lot of people think, oh, I can't meditate.

839
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:43,780
Well, I would say you can.

840
00:57:43,780 --> 00:57:47,940
You just think meditation is something different than what it really is.

841
00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:55,020
Just practicing breathing, just paying attention to your breathing and just, you know, in-breath,

842
00:57:55,020 --> 00:57:59,500
out-breath, and just really bring your focus to that and do it for five minutes a day.

843
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:03,260
Just that is going to start a process.

844
00:58:03,260 --> 00:58:08,780
But you want to pull the breath deeper into the below the navel.

845
00:58:08,780 --> 00:58:14,260
You want to pull the breath down into the body rather than just breathing shallow.

846
00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:22,580
My mystery teaching series is a really fantastic opportunity to get a broad sweep of various

847
00:58:22,580 --> 00:58:27,020
mystery school teachings with the science.

848
00:58:27,020 --> 00:58:30,700
And they can find that on Gaya TV, you know, or they can just go to mysteryteachings.com

849
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:34,340
and, you know, find the links to get into that.

850
00:58:34,340 --> 00:58:39,260
But, you know, subscription, but it's a worthwhile subscription.

851
00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:43,460
And Gaya has, of course, a lot of other stuff available on it.

852
00:58:43,460 --> 00:58:48,820
There's some great things always being discerning.

853
00:58:48,820 --> 00:58:55,420
I have other things like I have an online course called the Quantum Transformation Formula.

854
00:58:55,420 --> 00:58:59,940
And that's, you know, something that people can just kind of touch on on their own if

855
00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:05,380
they're, if they're, you know, self driven to pursue it.

856
00:59:05,380 --> 00:59:07,860
Other people really want the in-person experience, you know.

857
00:59:07,860 --> 00:59:12,260
So most of the mystery school work is done in person.

858
00:59:12,260 --> 00:59:15,100
It's not something that we would do remotely or online.

859
00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:19,820
You know, it requires reaching out to someone local to you or getting on a plane and traveling

860
00:59:19,820 --> 00:59:22,700
to someone who can offer.

861
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:25,740
But, you know, you don't need to make commitments to anything.

862
00:59:25,740 --> 00:59:27,260
It's like, just try one session.

863
00:59:27,260 --> 00:59:32,620
So if someone was to just try something out, they're toe in the water, go get a life activation.

864
00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:35,340
And that's the place where it really starts.

865
00:59:35,340 --> 00:59:39,860
And it plugs you back into your potential and your own intuition.

866
00:59:39,860 --> 00:59:46,140
And just kind of a thing start aligning more with your higher potential in your life when

867
00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:48,660
you do that.

868
00:59:48,660 --> 00:59:53,020
I think there's only so much you can do sitting at home.

869
00:59:53,020 --> 00:59:56,460
At some point it really requires getting out there.

870
00:59:56,460 --> 00:59:58,620
And so they can come to treasublar.com.

871
00:59:58,620 --> 01:00:00,060
You know, I've got a lot of resources.

872
01:00:00,060 --> 01:00:02,020
I've got a lot of stuff on YouTube as well.

873
01:00:02,020 --> 01:00:07,660
We have a show called the Quantum Mind CV where, you know, I'm having conversations with

874
01:00:07,660 --> 01:00:11,660
various other experts and we're talking about what's going to take to create a shift in

875
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:13,020
human consciousness.

876
01:00:13,020 --> 01:00:18,460
My husband and I also have something called the Quantum Learning Academy where it's more

877
01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:22,260
for, you know, if they're not necessarily ready to dive into the mystery school, there's

878
01:00:22,260 --> 01:00:27,900
a lot of other tools that bring the science and the metaphysics together, mind them body

879
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:31,260
together, all of it into one place.

880
01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:33,820
And that's something that we'll be launching in 2024.

881
01:00:33,820 --> 01:00:37,260
So there's a lot of opportunity.

882
01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:43,060
And you know, the thing of today, if I just can finish this, is there's so much available

883
01:00:43,060 --> 01:00:45,420
today, right?

884
01:00:45,420 --> 01:00:48,900
There's everything under the sun is available to people today.

885
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:52,460
And you need to find what resonates for you.

886
01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:55,900
And then when you find that thing that resonates for you, and this is the other thing I find

887
01:00:55,900 --> 01:01:01,700
that's a little bit that gets in the people's way in the new age is they sort of be like

888
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:07,180
butterflies flitting from one thing to the next, trying a lot of things at the surface level

889
01:01:07,180 --> 01:01:11,700
but not really diving deeper because they don't want to commit to anything.

890
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:15,620
I find that, you know, that can serve you for a while until you find something that really

891
01:01:15,620 --> 01:01:17,020
resonates.

892
01:01:17,020 --> 01:01:20,820
But when you find something that resonates, dive deep into it, really commit yourself to

893
01:01:20,820 --> 01:01:24,700
it because only when you commit yourself to something, can you really, truly grow and

894
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:29,380
get to the depths and that the real goal that that thing has to offer.

895
01:01:29,380 --> 01:01:32,340
There's a lot of great stuff out there.

896
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:36,860
And but ultimately our evolution requires commitment to it.

897
01:01:36,860 --> 01:01:41,660
We're going to add all bunch of links in our show notes to everything that Dr. Theresa

898
01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:43,340
just talked about.

899
01:01:43,340 --> 01:01:48,180
And I can vouch for the mystery teachings because I've been I've had I've had watched it

900
01:01:48,180 --> 01:01:49,180
for a long time.

901
01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:53,940
So if you're interested in connecting with Dr. Theresa, all you need to do is go to skepticmanivision.com,

902
01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:57,340
go to her episode page and you'll see all the links there in the show notes.

903
01:01:57,340 --> 01:01:59,420
Super easy for you to connect with her.

904
01:01:59,420 --> 01:02:05,940
Dr. Theresa, I just don't have any words to properly express my gratitude for you taking

905
01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:11,460
the time to come on the show and share of your wisdom and your expertise with us.

906
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And I know that this has helped a lot of people not just me specifically.

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This has been wonderful.

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It's so great.

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Yeah.

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Well, I'm, I thank you for the image and those great conversations.

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And a huge thank you to you.

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Yes, you, the person that hit play on this episode, we know that there are tons of options

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out there.

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And having you decide to come along on our journey of discovery with us is an absolute

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honor for us.

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We hope you've enjoyed this conversation as much as we have.

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If you did and you feel called to give back, we invite you to visit our website at skepticmanivision.com

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where you can donate to the show or subscribe as a member through our Buy Me a Coffee campaign.

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Your support will go a long way towards allowing Karen and I to bring you these wonderful

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conversations and teachings in more and more robust ways.

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Of course, if contributing to the show content is what you're looking for instead, we'd love

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for you to contribute by sending us a voicemail or an email from our website or leave us a

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review on Apple podcasts or any other podcasting platform that supports them.

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Karen and I love hearing from those that are moved to message us.

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It truly does fuel our passion.

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You are the reason we do this show.

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And knowing what you like and don't like, help us craft the very best show we can so that

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we can help raise the vibration of the planet together.

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Now, if you know someone who would benefit from hearing the message we're sharing on the

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show, do them and us a favor and share the show with them.

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We'll help get the word out about us and it might just change someone's life for the better.

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Well, that's all for now.

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We will see you on the next episode of the Skeptic Manifosition.

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Until then, take care.

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