Spiritual Relics Healing Sanctuary: The Power of Awakening Your True Self

Dawn Link

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Will: Okay, this morning, after my meditation, like I always do, I pick up a couple of books and I read a couple of passages from the book. well, this time, the inspiration for this recording comes from, once again, the Living Gita, which is from the complete Bhagavad Gita, a commentary for...

Modern Readers by Sri Swami Satchitananda. And the passage was in response to the Veda on the Yoga of Meditation.[00:01:00] It says,

Nirvana is a term very often used by The Buddha, nirvana is mind nakedness, absolute serenity and peace. Your mind isn't clothed yourself, isn't covered or colored with anything. It's completely free. A totally liberated person is naked. The self is naked, uncovered. That's the meaning of nirvana.

And in order to experience this, says Sri Krishna, just think of me and only me. That means think of the absolute and try to eliminate all other thoughts. Well, it's a beautiful teaching, but how do you go about making that happen? So basically what spoke to me the most about that passage is when he talks about your mind when you're in nirvana or bliss or whatever you want to call it.

when you're in that state where you are truly at one, your mind is naked, right? I mean, it's completely unburdened by the clothing or the trappings that we add [00:02:00] to it. The ego, the selfishness, the anger, the sadness, the happiness, the everything. Everything that we put on ourselves every day.

It comes from the programming that we've had throughout many years of life on this planet. All that hides the true bliss that comes from just being naked mentally. And it reminds me of a time when I was speaking to someone who's a nudist and I couldn't understand how they could just walk around without any clothes on at all times.

The vulnerability that that entailed for me was just too much to even be able to fathom. he said that there is a freedom that comes with just being naked, with no added clothing that identifies you, that makes you individualized, that hides you from others. Well, I couldn't really understand it at the time, but now in light of this passage, I still don't think I could be noticed, but I can see a little more clearly.

If we take the same principle and put it to our mind, where if we're able to just go forward without any clothing for our [00:03:00] minds, if we could just see every moment for what it is, that it's just a moment for us to experience without applying our own clothing to it in the way of judgment or logical thought, Well, how amazing would it be to just walk around every day just being completely mentally naked and just absorbing and appreciating every moment in the best way possible.

I find myself wondering if this even makes any sense anymore. When I was thinking about it, in my mind, it made perfect sense. So maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's, maybe it's my monkey mind getting in the way.

It's how yourself understands this completely, but then when you try to put it in human terms. Suddenly, it gets muddled because, I don't really know why, maybe it's just another piece of clothing that I'm putting on top of my mind rather than just accepting what is. Like, instead of just accepting what is, moving forward with that knowledge in mind, knowing that the knowledge is inside me, I'm trying to translate it into my [00:04:00] mind speak, or trying to translate it for myself.

And in the act of doing that, I'm just placing more clothing onto my mental nakedness. Anyway, I don't know if this means anything to you, but it really opened up my mind a little bit this morning and I thought I would share it with you. So for today, I'm going to try to reject any clothing that my mind tries to put on itself.

I'm going to try moving forward completely mentally naked and hope that maybe I can experience bliss for a little bit longer today than I have in days past. Because right before I started my meditation this morning, even at the very beginning of my meditation, I was thinking, you know, Maybe I should just stop meditating.

Maybe I should just stop pursuing this spiritual practice because it's taking a lot of work and at the end of the day I just don't feel good. I woke up this morning thinking about work and how much I disagree with some of the decisions that they're making, how unhappy it's made me because of it's changing my job to the point where I'm no longer a [00:05:00] recognizer or maybe even enjoying it.

And I found myself back in that anxious state. That thinking, that overthinking to the point where it woke me up and I couldn't go back to sleep. As I'm recording this, it's the weekend. I could have really used a little bit more sleep, but my mind wouldn't let me because of the clothing that it's wearing.

It's telling me that I should be angry about this, or I should be frustrated that they're making these decisions, stripping different responsibilities from my plate. When in essence, at the end of the day, it's really just making my job easier. But I'm still clinging to what I perceive to be my job, or my previous responsibilities because, yes, I enjoy doing that.

But it added so much more work to my plate. now that I have more responsibilities, more markets as I'm in charge of, I'm responsible for doing what I've been doing all this time, all these years and all the other markets as well.

Yes. I enjoy doing that, but it added so much more work to my plate than I have now. And well, now that I have more responsibilities, more, [00:06:00] more markets, I'm in charge of what I was doing then. If I was doing that for all these new markets, well, it would probably, it would make it very difficult to achieve success.

So rather than get angry, if I could just move forward with a naked mind and just not let the emotions clothe me, well, I think I'd be a lot happier. That's just the best way to explain it.

and maybe, just maybe, you and I can both go forward today, just today, trying to not wear any clothes mentally. I mean, you could certainly go without any clothes physically.

If you'd like, I'm not going to judge, but mentally, well, that's the important part.

Karen yes, we're doing something a little different today. The first time we are live location. We don't know how this is gonna go. So just bear with us as we wish us luck Yeah, we've [00:07:00] already had a lot of things happen that tried to prevent us from from getting this show out to you But we've persevered and here we are

so we are at spiritual relics in Virginia Beach, Virginia with the owner of the store Don link and we are excited and to talk to you today, because this has been a very long time coming and not just a long time coming, but something trying to stop us from doing it.

So what is happening,

Dawn: Dawn? I don't

know. you know, it's all about timing and I believe that divine timing is a thing. ironically, first mentioned you I kind of felt like,

I don't know. I don't feel like it's time yet. And I kind of

put it to the side and I

said, God, if I'm supposed to do something with that, you're going to show me. within two days, someone who's a really

good friend with you came in and mentioned you. And I was like, okay, I got it.

And whenever it's time, it'll happen.

Will: so, we can't be held responsible for what

happens. So

just because a friend of ours came to you doesn't mean that

Dawn: we're, you

know.

I don't know. I'm good. Yes.

Karen: Well, we have our fingers crossed because we've already spilled coffee and lost a piece of our

microphone, hence the handheld [00:08:00] mounted

1. Yes, but we are pushing through because we're very excited to be here. Nice. Thank you for

inviting us in. You're

Dawn: welcome. we are very excited.

Will: Thank you for coming.

Well, now tell us about spiritual relics. we've gone to a lot of different metaphysical stores before and all

that kind of stuff, but there's a different feel to this. So why is

Dawn: that So actually we do a lot of and we have

and we're healers and we are stepping into our ascended, transcended selves.

So that's very exciting, learning how to navigate that.

and kind of going from 3D to 5D, all of those topics come up in the classes that We teach. We

have community,

that comes, we meet on Sundays, kind of like church, but it's different in that we teach,

And we have different topics and it's

open discussion, So I'm

not the only one talking because it's not about I, it's about we so it's way different in that I'm not giving them a format that for them to,

be good.

It's like, I'm sharing my

experiences with them, and this

has worked for me and it could look a little different for you, [00:09:00] and when they ask me things and I go, I don't know, it's because I don't know.

And it's cutting edge, right? Now Dawn,

Will: we were told you knew everything. So I don't know.

Dawn: I don't know if I know everything. So then this

Will: is like a communal learning experience. Like we all, a group learns

together.

Dawn: Yes. We do that on Sundays. And then we also have classes that are scheduled on different days that you can also zoom in on. and,

the exciting thing right now is on the website. I'm building an online school.

So I am recording

myself, teaching the classes so that they can purchase this no matter where they live,

no matter what time of day it is, and they can do it at their

own,

timing. So, you know, some people who work night shift, they have a problem getting here for those types of classes and what

Karen: kind of

people come? I know people get a little nervous to come into a place

like this

because it looks a little different, a little kind of freaked out. So what, what can someone expect if

they come into a group class? What would their

peers

be

Dawn: like? Okay. so there can be many different types

of people in the class. We accept all, we don't ask, the biggest thing is we don't ask anything about what your faith is or what your belief [00:10:00] is or what your practice is or any of that. We accept you unconditionally as a We love with unconditional love and that's the way it should be. and you can

come to the table and have a discussion a humanitarian effort. You see,

Karen: I like

that and I like

that mix of every

different type of person.

just like what I'm seeing on

the decorations on the walls. Typically you don't

think of a lot of Christian symbolism mixed in with a lot of

metaphysical, but here you have it all

over.

Dawn: Right, also Native

American And some other followings, Buddha, Lao, Yeah, just everybody. Right, and I feel like whatever that

being is that assists you with your enlightenment, so be it If it comes from a place of love And that moral compass is

there, then there are no

limits,

for me, Jesus, is

different, I

was raised Catholic So are

Will: we, by the way. So,

Dawn: no shame in that.

I figured, no, I'm not shaming it. Not shaming the Catholics. Love you guys. but for Jesus, for me, is more like

a man.

 not the thing that was taught to me in my life where he's like

up here and God's here. There's a difference

between knowing about God and

knowing God [00:11:00] for me. And I can look at Jesus

as a man and understand that he was

blueprint. He was trying to say, Hey guys,

you know, you can do

this. he said it a

lot.

and I'm a firm believer that we

can all do that. We can

all be that. So basically

Will: a teacher that's showing us how to live, not necessarily

God incarnate on this planet. Although they say that we are all God's incarnate,

Dawn: right?

We

are. So here's the

thing. Earlier you were talking

about magic.

So what is magic, right? What is magical? Pulling a

rabbit out of a hat? Right.

So, my thing is, what is supernatural, I believe that once we...

are

all fully

aware that we have an innate natural ability with all of these gifts in there that have never been nurtured, never been shown to you, you've never acknowledged them

because they're buried under all of your emotional garbage And perceptions

and all of the things that you've been in constructs,

that never really go, Hey, you know, you've got these abilities and you should tap into those. have

people who come in all the time and there'll be an [00:12:00] emotional wreck because they don't know what to

do with what's going

1. Why is

this happening? Why am I, you

know,

to me And, I'm like, well, first of all,

let's calm down. It's not happening to you. It's just your awakening. Okay. And I kind of Let me put a

Will: pause first. Let's go back a little bit. When you say people come in and why is this happening to me? What

kind of things happen to people

Dawn: that

Will: will be

Dawn: very emotional?

will

you? they'll have a lot of chaos or

feels like in their life. of the times I find out that they're just not grounded or centered. There are some things that are trying to come up, I feel like. Literally, the universe and God and consciousness has us in shifter right now

And it's kind of

coming through all of us

and things are coming to the top and bubbling out and we're healing those things. We're coming fully aware of ourselves. So what a lot of what I teach is self awareness So it's like this awkward awareness

of yourself and when you gain this awkward awareness of yourself, then you're able to see it in everybody else and then you have compassion, No judgment and just starts to kind of melt away, right? What if it's more of like a

Karen: beautiful awareness? [00:13:00] because

when you said that, I pictured someone mining

for gold. Yes! And all the dirt and the rubble is kind of going through. What's left are these beautiful

Dawn: little gold nuggets. Right, exactly. So it's like, we know it's in there, we're just going to help you a little bit. Could it be a little scary?

Sure. You know, we're in, when you go from 3D to 5D,

this great, change

happens. And in 3D, you're plugged in with all

your

sensory.

It's like, you see it, you smell it, you

taste

it, you hear it, touch It and then you believe it.

Well when you're going over here, you're going into consciousness, and you have to have a lot of faith,

belief, and trust, which can be tied to religion, right, in that background, and if that's what you have to pull upon, so be it, but you have to be faithful in knowing that, you're okay,

and to trust what you're receiving, what you're getting, what you're

feeling, right? You ever heard of mother's intuition? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. we've called it that for years, but Truly what I feel all of that is, I believe we're very telepathic

beings.

I believe we feel everything. I believe we're able to [00:14:00] get

information from that, And that's how we receive it. We're supposed to be like nature, but we've pulled

ourselves away

Karen: So, what D would you be at? consider yourself?

Yeah.

Dawn: That's a good question. Because I was just talking with God last night and I'm like, what dimension am I? Does it really matter? Because I feel

like you should be all that you can be.

I believe that I'm very, uh, in my way of thinking probably fifth dimension. Could I be more than that?

Sure. at the end of the day, you're stepping outside of the limitations of your senses and human form and you're going into consciousness

and thought

Karen: so

I feel like I'm like about a three and a half D. What

Dawn: about you?

Will: think I'm Point four?

Dawn: You're a C.

Will: Hey, at least I'm passing.

I'll take it.

Karen: You are much

Dawn: higher than a point four. Okay, exactly. and there's no pass or fail. We, as humans, have put this concept in our minds of what's good and bad.

 And I feel like sometimes things show up

[00:15:00] that might not look so good according to what we've been taught.

But at the end of the day, if it takes you

to where you want to be, it might be something really

Karen: And maybe just even being on that path already

puts you like

at a three and a little bit

Dawn: Okay. I'll take it. It's all about empowerment, right? Coming out of the victim seat, because we've all lived in that our whole lives.

We have been the victim, it feels familiar, and that's easy, and no one's ever shown us how to get out of it, and really, you just have to let go of all your

past.

Will: it resonates with me, what you're saying, in the 3D, you need to see it, touch

it, feel it, taste it,

right?

That's been my entire... I don't want to say shtick, but that's been my path,

I'm like that, pragmatism, needs a proof, need to feel, feel it, touch

it.

The more we're doing the show, the more that we're releasing and allowing universe to come through us and... Opening ourselves up and having the faith like you talked

about. But then the most interesting thing happens. When you do that, when you open up, all of a sudden, the universe gives you the damn proof you were looking for

Dawn: in the beginning. Exactly. And you have to [00:16:00] acknowledge it. Yeah. Right. Acknowledge it and take action, right? People come to me a lot and they go, well, you know, I don't know if I should be studying this or that or whatever.

I said,

study whatever draws you to it. Because you are opening the door. You're seeking knowledge. And when you do that, you are opening the door for that enlightenment you're looking for in whichever way, it needs to happen and come forward.

Karen: So, on a personal note, what would you say is

your

ability?

Dawn: Huh. a good question.

That's why I

Will: bring her

along. She gets a a good question. I'm

just as long as I

Dawn: can be. So, ultimately, I'm a pretty profound healer, and I'm okay with saying that With energy and thought. I know that sounds crazy, I work on people. I work on

people from a distance as well, but I use a process that, beings of light have given me heal many things. not just clear out your chakras and ground you, heal emotions. People who have a lot of chatter in their head after I work on them, it's quiet. [00:17:00] Yeah. I got you.

Will: I

Dawn: feel like

Will: I'm being so seen. I don't

know.

Dawn: He's exposed. Anyway. Um, so yeah, I got you. Don't worry. and I do that from a distance as well. So for me, I started figuring some things out. I would like.

there's someone like five states away and I'm able to stop their pain. How am I doing that?

How do you think I'm

doing that, Will?

Band Aids? Yes, big ones, no. I feel like I am really going out through consciousness

to them. and I'm doing that

healing work. That way,

Will: So here, comes the skeptic metaphysician in me. And it's not about, getting to the truth of anything. It's really about trying to understand better in a way.

I

get I have no doubt whatsoever that you are a very strong healer. We felt it the minute you walked into this place.

The question

is, what made you.

finally say,

yeah,

I'm a healer.

Dawn: Right.

so I went through this whole awakening

and many things were shown to me. So [00:18:00] when I say shown to me, I have a lot of visions here, , I call it your insight. knowings and.

eventually, I got to the point where I was hearing things telepathically. No, I'm not schizophrenic, but I know what I'm hearing and receiving. and then, readings changed for me. They became more like, spiritual consultations, because literally my readings were

turning more into healings. So, I'll give you an example. someone would come to me for a reading, And all of the things that they needed to heal from there's a woman. with

1. I can usually see the souls of children that's been see loved ones come

forward. I can have family members

come forward that they

had a crappy

relationship with and then they apologize. Lots of

things like that. So that's really a healing for them. So healing many things

within them. so I

know ultimately I'm a healer. Do my gifts allow someone to sit before me who's not wanting to come for the healing? But in a way it

1. That's a bonus. I'm okay with that.

Will: there's no doubt [00:19:00] that the world is in a very strange place right now.

And there's so many people that need healing out there.

Yes.

Have

you? thought about sending the healing energy to the whole planet to try to

Dawn: heal people I do that and we also do that on Sunday service. Oh, that's amazing So the whole group that's here we send out love and healing to the whole planet to everyone I said if you have someone specific, you know I'm not gonna tell you not to do that But I would think that we could affect the planet and a much deeper higher level going through consciousness and just sending it out

Everybody says well, how are we going to change the world? That's how you're gonna change the world. don't focus on the problem But for the change and the change starts here. If you change this, and how you look at things, and how you feel about things, you know, if you change your perception, your whole world

changes.

I Know you understand that, it's okay. Oh, yeah 100%,

Will: Long line with what I said earlier about yeah. We're right in line with what I said earlier about, uh, when you finally open up and decide to change your perception, then the world changes.

Dawn: Have you ever saw somebody and you go, why are they angry all the time? Because that's their

juice. There's some things within them that they need to heal so that doesn't

keep coming

out [00:20:00] of them. You want to change, change

your juice.

Karen: See, that, that reminds me of, and

I've told

you

this before, probably a bunch

of

times, I

read The Art of

Happiness by the Dalai Lama. Yes. And when he talks about

you know, if someone cuts you off on the road or

bumps into you in the store and

they're rude, he's like, you don't know what happened

to child. Or they're rushing to the hospital. Right.

So, I always try, and I'm like, not always successful, but I always try to think about that

when

something happens, I'm like. Yes. Something's going on with them. Exactly. And I'm, so thankful that

it's not going on with

Dawn: me. Most of the world has been so used to living in fight or flight, is what I call it.

And being in the victim's

seat and not knowing that they're able to get out of that. that's the moment that I love when they have that aha, oh wait, I can let go of that. and let that completely go, how?

And that's even

Karen: one way, another way to, to share and to project love because you're

holding space for that person dealing with whatever. Yes. And not reacting to it. You're letting them have that

outburst or whatever.

Dawn: I call that

The pause is great. Before you speak. Before you judge. Mm hmm. Just if you can get to that moment where you're not [00:21:00] reacting because that's what we've always done. And just go.

Wait, what is That pause is The most important thing

Will: ever.

that's the hard part though is, is actually taking the time to pause and knowing, no, I can't respond to this

person's email right now because it won't be from love. It will be from a different emotion.

Yes.

Fight or flight mode, my theory is that when we were.

caveman, we're just, evolving humans. Um, we needed that fear. Yes. Because we needed to survive. Right. We were, watching out for predators and things like that, so you needed that healthy fear. Yes. We were very much in the physical body at that point, in a three dimensional space.

Whereas now, to your point, as we're ascending into 5D, we can let go of

that fear. We don't have those predators, although some people would say that there are still politicians out there who are predatory, but beyond that, you still, you can let it go and feel like you can now turn

from fear to love. Right. Because that's our

Dawn: true essence as we go

forward. babies, children, look

at them, they're loved, they're wide open, they are able to do [00:22:00] things that,

as adults we're looking at them going, look at you, right? But we forget that we were that

once

too, and then it kind of goes

away,

with conditioning and being taught things, right? But it's okay because, well, as we evolve through

this guys, we're going to rise

above that. That doesn't mean that we have to go fix the school system or fix the court system or fix the whatever it

1. It's

the people that

are waking up,

they're going to have the acknowledgement of that and then I think change will automatically

happen like a

ripple effect. It does,

Will: but I, I question, I wonder if it's,

The side that, that is digging in their heels and saying, no, no, I'm not going to change. Some people won't. Right. No, exactly. Some people won't. Exactly. Now the question is, right now, we seem to be right about 50 50 in this country at the very least.

Right.

50 we've heard from people that say, if the institutions that we have currently in place don't collapse, there's no way to build on

top of them because they're so intrinsically part of that fear.

mentality,

Dawn: So watching the news, looking at social media, I [00:23:00] mean, except for this one, you know, I'm saying, you know, those types of things.

So, you know, all of that drives fear. We know that very well. And the news is going to put that spin on it. That makes you want to draw into and go, right? No. Well, we got to get change that reaction to something else other than the negative and the fear. So a lot of what I do in my healing work is to help you heal fear. and doubt.

literally. for a long time

now, I've been hearing, they need to heal their fear. So, I know that that's a big thing

that's going on for a lot of not the fear that stops you from stepping out in front of a bus. Or sticking your hand in a cage with a lion. I'm

not talking about that.

So,

we

imprison ourselves in our own minds.

through fear, doubt,

no self esteem. And some of that

self esteem is not just done by whatever may have happened to our in our lives, but how we think or thought about what happened to us in our lives. And we build those emotions up about

ourselves.

We do a whole lot more self talk than we realize.

Karen: know, she's looking at me a lot during this I'm thinking she's getting like a vibe.

Yeah, like all the time [00:24:00]

like work.

I need

Will: some work Oh, that's good. Cuz I was starting to think well, what the heck why she's not looking at me

Dawn: We'll get to you later

No, I I just know that you're getting what I'm saying.

That's a

Karen: a nice way to put it. Yeah,

Dawn: you're picking up what I'm putting

Karen: down

Dawn: asking for

Karen: for more.

Will: So then Dawn, what, what moved you to build something like this? I mean, I know that you are very in tune with, with spirit and all that kind of stuff, but so it's

Dawn: kind of funny at first I didn't know how gifted I was. And I had

other people telling me that I was

gifted and I was like, what?

What do you mean? I just know all of a sudden so first of all, I have a child Well, I have several children, but my one of my twins which are 18 now When he was

three, he was having all

experiences,

you know, God's

funny He'll give you what you need to open you up, right? And he started telling me things

and as a mother I needed to feel like Oh, my

room at night. How do I protect my, my kid? You know, know, what blah [00:25:00] blah. blah. So I started digging And I started seeking the knowledge and that kind of opened I was started having my own experiences I was drawn to a metaphysical store And

it was like I couldn't I just couldn't stay is crazy. insane

But it was like I felt like I was on the right track with And I said, well, I can do this. I'm going to open And I had

other people here who were very gifted that I thought were very gifted with their abilities, but Dawn was not looking in the mirror At herself. I've had people walk in here that are gifted, back a few years ago and they're like, you have no idea what you're about to do. And I'm like,

no, can you give me a clue? So you know, that's how clueless I was. And then when I started, actually decided after two years. I was gonna do readings. My very first reading, I had five decks of cards.

I went to touch the cards and I heard, don't touch the I'm trying to be cool

I'm trying to act like I got my crap together.

And they're sitting there watching me and [00:26:00] I'm going, I'm going. Um, okay. So I'm just trying to be cool, like I know what I'm doing. I went to touch the cards again.

I heard the don't touch the

Karen: cards. So

just a quick pause when you say you heard it. Did it, was it like a thought, or was it like a different voice inside your

Dawn: man voice. Oh Uh, and don't touch the cards. So I didn't, and I said, so then I came clean. I said, alright, because that's the best way to be. I said, ladies, I'm just telling

you, I'm not crazy, but I'm not supposed to touch those

cards. And we're going to try this another way. And it's either going to turn out really good, and you're going to be happy, and you're going to pay me, or we're not,

And you won't.

So an hour and a half later, after I finished telling her everything,

I got paid, and it was a whole moment for me to kind of go, what

the heck just happened? Yeah, it was a big thing. It was a big pivotal moment for me to start looking at myself. So it was like the

Will: cards were

feather,

Dawn: the cards were not needed and they were trying to show me that right? right, like

Will: Dumbo who didn't need the feather to fly. No. No. He just needed to have

faith

in himself to

fly.

Yes. You had to have faith in your own

Dawn: gifts and abilities. and [00:27:00] then I took

Reiki

and quantum

healing and I was just getting these

profound... found results.

And then

I

started getting, knowings to change the way I was doing it.

I literally can work

on someone just sitting in a chair. I don't have to lay you down. I don't have to do all that process. And I speak some things into your healing. That's it. So

Karen: if someone

walks in and they just

want to get some information and they say they don't know can you like, do you know

that you're

person's gifted.

Dawn: Sometimes I do. Sometimes I can tell that even if they don't know that. sometimes I don't. And I don't tap in

like uninvited, but if there's something that, you know, God nudges me to say, then I will or a family member, but I don't necessarily know about

every

person.

Yeah. and can you turn it on and off?

Uh,

I think it's always on.

Yeah. I think now

looking back, high insight. even as a kid, I did a lot of things that I never felt alone. I was an only child, but I never felt

alone.

[00:28:00] Other kids or families

would say, well, aren't you lonely being the only kid? You know, cause back in my day, in the seventies, everybody in the suburbs had like, you know, four or five kids and,

you know, I was the only kid and they're like, aren't you?

Nope. I'm good.

But I didn't realize that I had like things around me. That I was probably

feeling, as comfort or that I was probably even

talking with

as comfort. I can remember talking to myself a lot as a little kid or what I thought was talking to myself, but I don't think I was talking to

Will: Now, if someone wants to

follow the path or find out who they are, or what kind of gifts they have, or what...

direction they're supposed to lead

other than coming and talking to you. What's the first step that

someone

Dawn: should take? Well, the first thing is self reflection

and looking at themselves which can be hard to do.

If you've been in the cycle of doing it that certain way, so, you know, you get into the subconscious mind and the conscious mind, the subconscious mind, we're living in that loop most of the time until we decide that we're going to [00:29:00] open that up and live and be more aware of ourselves

in consciousness, right? being able to open that. How can I tell someone to do that? I don't know. Maybe you should focus your awareness there. So what is your intent? What do you, what's your intention

behind it? What do you want lot of us, uh, have to get out of the why is this happening to me and shift it to,

well, what would I need if I wanted to And if you can start making that

turn, then it

usually opens some things up for yourself.

Karen: And it's interesting because when you say

self reflection, it's actually more

than most people think. When you think about it, you just automatically think of the negative. Right. But you

also have

to look at the positive things about yourself as well, which we

tend to just disregard

because

it's easier to

accept the negative, I think,

sadly.

Dawn: Yes. Very sadly. I spend a lot of time telling people,

how great they are sometimes, or I just listen to them talk and I go, no, that's not what I see. And then I

explain to

them what I see. Sometimes when I am helping people, I give

them Oh, I'm out. Yeah. [00:30:00] Yeah. Are there tests? No. I tell them to write themselves a love letter. Oh, you could do that. And then go to the mirror and read it to yourself. Yeah. could totally do that. He could totally do that, but he's going to totally manipulate that love letter. I

know he is He's going to ask

Karen: me to

write

it.

Dawn: Will that work? Nope.

Karen: Nope.

You know what? Even I know that's

Will: not going to work.

Well, no, it's okay. I've got a friend. It's called Chat GPT,

Dawn: baby.

Oh, no. That doesn't count at all. No. Not at all.

Will: so So, so basically what I'm hearing is, is what I've been hearing all the time, that really the best way to move forward, first and foremost, is to go within, go inside yourself, find the stillness inside you, and, and then, the answers will be given to you because everybody, we found everybody has a different path, has a different gift, uh, sometimes, like you, some people have multiple gifts, which is incredibly, uh, an incredible blessing.

But would you say that everybody has It's a

gift, at least one gift that they need to develop. [00:31:00]

Dawn: I believe that everybody has natural abilities that, they're just not aware of. Or it's been happening, but they're not recognizing it for what it

is.

Will: Then what, would you say, looking at me, what would you say my gift

Dawn: Actually,

I feel you're very

enlightened, inside, in your soul. I've been trying to tell you that forever, Karen. Yes, I think you are, but I feel like,

there's part of you that doesn't let it

out

enough, publicly. What do you do you think that is?

I don't know.

You don't want to be self I don't know. I kind of like a little aggrandizing. Well, yeah. At home. Yes, he does. Yeah. Well, yeah. But in public you have people who think you're nicer. I mean, don't get me wrong, you do it on the show, but you do a lot of questioning of others, not so

much you just talking about yourself and your gifts.

You're talking about everybody else's which is great, because now you're learning things that are possibilities for you.

This is your seeking. This is your

seeking.

Will: Yeah, there's no question about that. The whole show was started because I was seeking. So that's the thing.

I've been I've been told that I

have a gift.

You do. And I've [00:32:00] followed it a little bit, and every once in a while, I see it or I, I experience it, but

Dawn: you meditate at all. Oh, every day. Okay. Yeah. So don't doubt that it's going to show itself. I have many ways that things have I usually usually talk about all that in all my classes. So I like to share my experiences so that they can go, Oh, that happened to

1. So, then what does that do? That kind of raises them up a little bit to go, Oh, wait a minute.

I, I'm doing something she's doing

I'm not above. So when I teach, I tell them, or even on

Sundays,

This is not

Dawn talking to You This is us talking together, where we're at. And I'm going to explain that I've been able to figure

out, if you so choose to use those, which I pray you do,

then you're going to have some

Karen: So it's like it's like the reverse of Misery Lux Company. Joy likes company, too.

Will: In fact, fact, someone could be said that we are Joy. Yes.

Dawn: See, instead next.

Karen: No, I don't want to put you on the

spot. But, no.[00:33:00]

Will: out of curiosity, and we can always edit this out, but when you look at Karen, do you see

anything

Dawn: special?

Well, she's able to see things. She knows many things that she might not speak on. She feels things when people are in the room with her. She can tell when there's someone negative in the

She also feels love. She knows when there's someone loving in the can sense also feel like you get information in your dreams. And you probably need to Some of the dreams might be a little But, sometimes, lessons are taught that way through consciousness. It doesn't okay, in the mind. Because the mind's going to rewire.

what's

happening Just keep doing what

you're

doing. doing.

It It all shifts. intense. Yeah, Yeah,

Will: energy in the room definitely shifted, that

changed.

Dawn: was More focused.

you invited me

for a

Will: Well Well see, I have

a theory. And it's been, uh, it's been confirmed several times.[00:34:00]

Several times. Karen, I say it all the time, people who are listening, I'm so sorry, I'm saying it again. I know you've heard it a thousand times, but Karen is a walking, talking embodiment of love. She is an angel on this planet. Yes. And she is, fighting it. She does not want to believe that she is angelic in nature.

And I'm hoping that you will be the 72nd person that actually confirms this.

Dawn: So, love definitely flows through you.

So, love is the answer. So, this gentleman over here in the picture, Jesus.

Talked about it all the time, and if you get to that place where that love is flowing freely, your heart space is open. So I say that the heart is the co signer

for the mind, and you're gonna do great things, I just I just want to help people,

Karen: so. I

Dawn: know, And you are.

Karen: Well, I think this is helping other people. Yes. People that are walking into this world, and they're very timid, you know, taking a toe step. And like, Oh, okay. This isn't so scary.

Yes. I

Dawn: I feel

Karen: energy

radiating

Dawn: me right now. Yes. It's weird. Yes, because it's kind of, yeah. wild.

Karen: I don't know if it's a

hot flash or...

Dawn: [00:35:00] No, no, it's probably just my energy, um, letting you open up.

Oh my gosh, It's like

Karen: really

intense right now. Yes. Holy cow.

You feel

that?

Will: No. No.

I'm still way way much more in the 3D world than you are. I, I'm not as sensitive to energies

as you are. Sometimes,

Dawn: I'm gonna I make people cry. It's okay.

It's okay. So, I'm just

helping you step into who you are. you should definitely

know these things about

You You make good choices life. You You always have. so what is good and bad? a whole human thing,

bad? That's a whole human thing, You You know who Ram Dass is? Oh yeah, of course. Okay, so there's a story of his that I absolutely love and I use in class, so. There's a There's a gentleman who has a horse,

and The horse runs away.

And his his neighbor comes over goes, oh man, man, that's terrible, your horse ran away, what in the world, what are you going to do now?

How are you going to apply your field? How are you going to do this or that? And the man just simply replies, I don't know, we'll [00:36:00] see.

The second day, the horse comes back and he out another horse. With him, a wild horse. neighbor comes over and goes, oh my God, you're so What are you doing? How are you getting these Now you got two horses. And he goes, well, I don't know. We'll see. The The third day, the man's son

says, I want to ride the wild horse. He gets on the wild

horse and things are

good, And then all of a sudden he throws him off and he breaks

his Here comes the neighbor again. Oh my God, you're cursed. What have you done to

be

so unfavored that now your son is laying there with a broken leg. Your

horse is so what?

He went and brought

a horse to injure your

son?

he And he goes I don't know. We'll see. the On the fourth day, The military they'd been taking everyone's to.

his son couldn't

And he

focusing and

But But this other person kept looking at all the little individual actions going, Oh, it's this. Oh, it's that. Oh, it's this. Oh, it's that. And I love that story because that's what [00:37:00] everybody out here is doing Yeah, instead of just pausing and going wait, there's more to this. I know myself. I trust myself. These are the things that I'm gonna fruition.

Will: and I've heard the story before And I love the story. I love the story it's a great

lesson and talk specifically about

accepting Yes. your circumstances because it's always in the, the higher good. How can someone

who has lived through, we talked about programming earlier, who has lived through years and

decades of programming.

How can you move beyond that to

think that, well, damn it, my son's

leg just got broken. How can you change that perception from, damn it, my son's leg is broken to. Oh, let's see what's going to happen because my son's leg was broken. What advice can you give someone?

Dawn: good question. I'm still going to go to self reflection because if you go here and you do the self

reflection, you heal those emotions that have

been built off of those old thoughts, going

to take you out of that old going to get new perceptions and you're going to be aware of differently. [00:38:00] You're going to look at at things differently. pause. Things are going to come out of your face and you're going to go, what? I should have been screaming at this guy. Right. you're going to go, Hmm, I

Experience I had

was something that

happened

between me and my husband.

um, I was at work and I heard, see your husband. what? Go see your husband. So I So I went to where he was working and there was a situation there that I didn't

like.

And

the old me

have had that sordid tongue.

And something happened. It shifted

and I just responded.

in a different way. ,I looked him in the eye eye and I just want you to know that are hurt.

Mm-hmm. , but I'm understanding. Mm-hmm. And I got a totally different response. And it's

been different ever since I responded differently and I am so

thankful for that moment in time and I share

these

things with people so that they can hear me say it.

know that it's possible. Half of the battle is not thinking[00:39:00]

And watching your father and your grandfather and whoever else that, you know, did all of those

things,

and go, well, this is how It's supposed to be, right? Well, no, that's how you were told or that's what you were shown and that's what you experienced. Experience something

else. And see how you feel.

And it's nice

Karen: that

you share these

personal experiences with people because it's one thing when

it's, I

heard someone

who knew someone who, you know,

Dawn: that could have been true.

I heard Ron Doss say this story, right? Right.

Karen: Exactly. Exactly. And I think also part of it

is you get that

reflection or that

self reflection, You, kind of, you know,

center yourself and all of that. But also

I think like anything else what do they say it takes two weeks or I don't know, six weeks to build a habit.

Yeah. So you catch yourself reacting and you have to do the work and make yourself change.

Dawn: Part of this process, not only for myself and some people that I

teach and have Worked with, doing energy work on them And things like that. You'll literally catch

yourself when that old way of thinking

comes and you go,

wait a minute.

Nope. Nope. that's not who we are today. Yeah. and you just kind of let that fly right on by will.

Karen: Oh Oh my God. I love that

[00:40:00] so much.

Will: Uh, Next question, please.

Dawn: No,

Karen: this has changed him this whole

Dawn: this. I know it has. He's way different

than he used to be.

Do you have a brother? I do. A younger brother? I do. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay.

Will: Well, did we need to

call him?

Dawn: No. No, not today. But, uh, yeah, they keep

mentioning him for some reason. I'm not sure why that is. So I don't know. How's your

relationship

Will: Uh, we never talk, ever, but when we do, it's like we never

Dawn: left. Great. Yes.

It's pretty surface. He needs you at a deeper level. Yeah. and I feel like you could provide that for and maybe show him how to be a Oh my gosh.

Karen: I just got

like a whoosh. You're supposed to do

Dawn: that. Whoosh. You will when it's

Will: time. Well, I just, I,

Yes,

I

agree. I could.

Dawn: When you're ready and when he's ready. That's the question. It's a timing thing.

When is he

Will: going to be ready? You'll

know. He's Buddhist. That's okay. That's great. Oh yeah, no, it is great, but he

believes that he has all the and there's [00:41:00] nothing

Dawn: that I can do. Well, that's the part that he still

needs to work on,

here.

Karen: And he's he's very

similar to you. If you go and try to

teach him something where it's obvious,

he's gonna,

Dawn: it

Yeah, no, you can't

do it that way So you got it like through humor, through relationship. You have to get, look, use your Gemini cleverness, okay? Tap into that. The

Will: problem

is he's also a Gemini.

Oh! Ha, ha, So we can be clever to each other. There's Ha, ha, Only four

Dawn: four ha, ha! He brought five with him a lot!

Come on! Ha, ha,

Will: ha! But people fighting in the room. my brother and I, I do believe that I love my

brother. I know you do. And And I do believe that he loves me too. It's just been the way that our

upbringing was, right? It's been a, we were a very strong family, but there was some things that were challenging and pushed us in different directions, all of us.

And I find

Dawn: it quite interesting that he's Buddhist and you're doing this and you're seeking. you're both seeking. Oh, no question. And finding your answers. No question. And that, so to me, that's what I show people. Whatever way gets you

to that That

point where you're awakening and you're ascending and

[00:42:00] transcending, that's all that really matters. It doesn't matter what label you want to

give it because at the end of the day, the one thread that runs through

all of that

is love, right? Yeah,

Will: absolutely. Absolutely.

So,

the the challenge with my brother

is is that when we were younger, I was very much stuck in the 3D

world. And I was

Dawn: a

shit brother Oh yeah.

You hammered him like nobody's business.

Will: I did. And I've apologized to him a thousand times. But he still holds

it.

Dawn: Because he

has some thoughts in his head about himself that were built upon that.

Yep.

Will: Yep. he knows, I'm, I'm

truly regretful of the things

that, you know, the

Dawn: torture I put him

through. we all have those moments

of things

you know.

Will: But it's hard, it's hard to let those things go. So I don't know if he would be open to learning things from me. Although, that's not fair to say. Cause

Dawn: he's. I think he hears you more than you think he does. And I think maybe he needs

Karen: proud of him. think you've ever expressed

Will: Okay. That might be the, that might be it, yeah. Rob, if you're listening, I'm proud of you.

Dawn: His name's [00:43:00] Rob? His name's Rob, yeah. I have a son named Robert,

Okay. Well, actually, William Get out of here. I'm not. Look, my husband's name is William. He goes by And he thinks he's Foreman. He has Their

first name is William. And they go by their middle name.

Wasn't Wasn't a problem until we had twins. Oh, My dad's name is Robert. And guess what my maiden name

was? Williams. Oh, okay. Well, I was close. I I can't get away from it. And I can't get away from it.

And I

can't get away

from

Will: Very

Dawn: strange. Yes. Just like the

nut on the floor.

Will: But anyway.

So, yeah. Full disclosure. When we were setting up the gear, we lost one of the nuts to the microphone. That's why we have this in my hand. And literally, it just fell onto this floor. And there were two nuts. Four of us, crawling on our hands and

Dawn: knees, in this little bitty room,

Will: in this tiny little room, trying to find this nut, and it's completely gone.

It's, [00:44:00] we have no idea where it could

Dawn: possibly be I think this

Karen: needs to be more

casual, and what can be more casual than

holding,

Can't hold

a

Dawn: broken down

There you go, mic. There you go, there you go. You know what? I think it's nice. I think it's great. It's how it's supposed to be.

Will: Is there anything that

you want

to make sure that we get out there that we haven't talked about yet?

I know we talked about it a lot, but I know that you have, you have a lot to share with the world. So I want to make sure that we give you that

Dawn: a few important

things. Love, most invest in yourself. in the The healing work in yourself, no matter who provides not the end all be all.

But I can help people. If you're interested in me lead But don't stop Lots of people are feeling to feeling stuck.

any I feel like if they are interested in me helping them, I can help

them with healing work,

educational,

I can I feel feel like more of [00:45:00] this will be going on because they need to hear

1. Most of

it is just never hearing it.

If you've never can heal

someone with your thought,

what then what are the

Karen: There's a difference between listening and hearing.

So that's very easy. Exactly. You can

listen to what

someone's saying,

Dawn: but you have to hear it in your heart. Exactly. You have to feel it.

It has to resonate within

you.

Will: and I think with, so many

masters that have come on this planet and saying the same things.

Yes. And some people, people have not heard it. They've listened, but they

haven't heard it. So

Dawn: little by little. It's all about timing on the planet as well. It's like a divine timing.

I believe in that.

Will: do So do you think we are there? Like, we are changed or left behind?

Dawn: I believe we're in the, I believe we're in the midst of that. and you definitely have choices. There's nothing that says you have to do this or do that. And at the end of the day, everyone's going to survive and be fine. I don't believe that there's this catastrophic,

apocalyptic thing, happening. I also believe that... There's a thing in the Bible that says, Jesus will come in like a he he is.

[00:46:00] each each and every Through each and every mind, heart,

this

Karen: just reminded me of, I went horseback

riding Galapagos Islands.

on, on the volcanoes. And at around noon o'clock. noon o'clock, ,

The clouds come down. And you can't see

anything in

front

of

you. Wow. Yeah. You know. So you're taking this rough ride up and

rough ride up, and then all of a then all of a sudden you're in these clouds and I feel like maybe

that's where

we

are. We're in the clouds. And if we just go a little bit further we'll get through them.

And see the beautiful view from the top of the

Dawn: mountain. Wow. That was deep. That was high.

Great stuff.

Will: Yeah. It's uh, just like, just like us. We're multi dimensional beings. Yes.

Karen: That's good. We don't know what's going on. You can't really see very clearly, but once, you know, you keep following the path, just know, just trust that that peak is going to be

Dawn: there. And the biggest thing is just be.

We're so used to doing and trying to navigate

through space time, which is very linear and, you know, we're used to using timelines. We're getting out of that because, you know, 5D is very different. There's like no[00:47:00] which changes

many things And how you...

Bring things to you and through your thoughts

your

open

Will: That's a great point because, the, important thing is to follow

what draws you. Sometimes something draws you and you go, no, no, no, that's not right. Or no, that's crazy or that's not, I'm

just going to, uh, I don't have time for that. Or it's not right.

Follow what what draws you, what resonates with you, because that's, where you're supposed to go. That's your soul leading the way. And I, I, unfortunately, I, I will say, I am

super guilty

of that I've listened to that voice all the time and go, yeah, that's not right. Not, not right. I don't have time. It's not the right time. I don't have the money. I don't have this, whatever. But it's, no matter what.

little by little, we've gotta open ourselves up to know if you're drawn to something,

1. there's a reason for it.

There's a reason you're supposed to take action. Just like we talked to Sophia DeMoss who talked about coincidences, right? a coincidence

and and noticing it is one thing,

but taking action on a coincidence, to follow that path. [00:48:00] Because the coincidence happened for a reason. That's the important

Dawn: And that's where we need. So I, I, um, share a lot of

experiences in class with things that I've gotten that Coincidence

things that I've followed on you know, those enough, I don't think they realize just how powerful their

and forgiveness, to people about forgiveness and healing, you, know, someone may have

done something horrific to and yes, you can forgive them, even from afar, right And then I talk to them

Will: Well, I

think that's a perfect place to put this to rest for the time being. Okay. Dawn, thank you so much. Thank you. For allowing us to invade

Dawn: your

space. Oh, no.

All over.

Will: Still Spill coffee, everywhere. It's okay. It's okay. Uh, if, if someone wanted to reach out to you, what's the best way for someone to get in touch?

Well, we

Dawn: have the website, which is www. spiritualrelics. com, uh, that has ways to also reach out to me there through [00:49:00] contact on the page. And then the number here is 757 495

8000.

Karen: Y'all need to come and, and meet her. This place is incredible. The energy is great. But you have this energy that

sucks people in.

It's like It's enveloping, this warmth. It'll give you a hot flash. Yeah. Yeah. So come, come definitely

Will: and talk to Dawn. Okay. Well, thank you so much again for having us.

Uh, We're going to put those links in our show notes. So all you need to do is go to skepticmanavision. com. Uh, you'll find her episode page there. And just in, you'll see in the show notes, you'll see the links directly. So you can reach out to her super easily. One

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