Authentic Awakening: How to Find Your True Soul Purpose Without Quitting Your Job

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Karen. Yes, if I asked you right now, right the second,

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the second, if you feel you are truly living your purpose,

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would you have a solid answer.

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I would have a solid answer, really yes.

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And the answer would be no. Okay, well you're in

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luckdown because today's guest has cracked the cosmic code on

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authentic awakening. Now, let's just say it's not about quitting

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your job to sell crystals on Etsy. Okay, I mean,

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unless it is.

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That's a computer.

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Right Today, we're diving deep into the sacred, the psychedelic,

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and the seriously strange, from the transformative power of plant

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medicine to dodging the spiritual equivalent of a multi level

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marketing scheme or cults. Oh, we're covering it all. So

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if this starts to feel like an ayahuasca ceremony crossed

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with a ted talk, don't say any or you, Karen,

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don't panic. But this just might be the episode where

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you find out what your soul's purpose actually is, or

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at least how to stop pretending you already know it.

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The skeptic reposition starts. Now. My name is Will and

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I'm Karen, and unlike Mulder and Scully, both want to

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believe so we've embarked in a journey of discovery.

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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and

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metaphysical world.

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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even

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joined a coven.

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Of witches and wait, you joined a coven yep.

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All in the interest of finding something, anything, that will

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prove that there's something beyond this physical.

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Three dimensional world we all live in.

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This is the skeptic metaphysicians. Hey, can I tell you

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about something I wish someone had told me about sooner.

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It's called the Spiritual Investor Club, and honestly, it's kind

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of like the best kept secret in the align the

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abundance world. It's run by Elizabeth Ralph. You know, she

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was on our shope not long ago, known as a

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spiritual investor. She used to be at this high level

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finance executive and now well now she teaches people how

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to grow their money by sinking it with their frequency.

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No hustle, no spreadsheets, just alignment. Inside the club, she

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shares stock picks, energy upgrades, mindset rewires, all the stuff

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they never taught me or us, maybe about how money

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actually works when you're awake the best part. It's not

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just theory, it's real tools, real energy shifts, and a

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community that gets it. So have you been feeling like

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your financial reality is stuck in the wrong paradigm? This

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just might be your invitation out of there. I'll drop

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the Lincoln the show notes to go peek inside. Just

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just don't tell everyone, Okay, uh ohm, I kidding, share

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the wealth, tell everybody. Let's get everybody aligned with abundance.

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I'll drop the Lincoln show notes. I invite you to

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go peek in size and see what you think. This

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is what it's all about. Guys, So hey, join me

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there because Karen and I were already there. Hey, there

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on Will and I'm welcome back to an episode of

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the Scutting Musicians that is not to be missed. We

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are fortunate to have a guest here to help us

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answer one of life's biggest questions. Biggest question, the question

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is am I truly living my purpose now? Karen Goodwin

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is the host of the Soul Elevation podcast, a skilled

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energy healer and a meditation guide whose work bridges the

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worlds of ascension, spiritual awakening, energy healing, and even extraterrestrial connections.

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She's also the author of Your Authentic Awakening, a guide

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to everyday spiritual living, a powerful guide book for anyone

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ready to ditch spiritual imposter syndrome and start living a

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deeply aligned, authentic life. And whether she's guiding people through

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transformative practices or explore in the mysteries of consciousness, Kara's

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mission is clear. She's here to help us elevate our

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souls in align with our highest potential. I am thrilled

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to welcome Kara Goodwin to the show. Kara, Nice to

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see you today again.

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Hello, Thank you so much for having me. We had

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so much fun when you were on Soul Elevation, and

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I'm so excited to join you here on your platform.

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Right, We've got a lot to dive into because we

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covered a lot in your show, but now we want

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to cover the real good stuff on our show.

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And we cover.

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Karen's story still like stays with me about waking up

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and having all the guidance and yeah, we've covered some

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great ground we did.

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Yeah, And so if you haven't listened to our episode

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Soul Relations, we definitely recommend you do that and we'll

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send our links so you can hear it. But in

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the meantime, now we are here to answer the biggest

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questions of the all right, the life's purpose. So let's

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just start that big What does it actually mean to

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have a true soul purpose? Like is it to sell

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crystals on that sy.

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Well, it's such a great question, and of course it

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varies from person to person, But a lot of times

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what I find when we're going through a spiritual awakening

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is that we feel that our life has to change

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one hundred and eighty degrees, and to some extent it

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does because our whole perspective changes. You know, when we

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start waking up out of the surfacetal mainstream what we've

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been sold and what most people in this change us.

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You cannot help when your perspective has changed for the

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world to be different, you know, just by the very

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virtue of your perspective changing, because you're the one that's

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living through your perspective.

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So when when.

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You're looking at through one facet of a pre and

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then suddenly you're like, wait a minute, there's a whole

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other way to look at everything.

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It's very eye opening.

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But a lot of times people think that then that

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means okay, now I have like my three D job

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is no longer relevant. I need to go and shift

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what I'm doing. I need to be a healer, or.

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I need to sell crystals on Etsy.

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I love that, and thank God that there are people

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selling crystals on Etsy. I'm very grateful for that, definitely.

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But it's a lot of people confuse their career with

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their purpose, and which I totally get because we spend

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a lot of our time on our work, right, so

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it can be very tempting to say, like I'm just

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going to ditch the whole thing, but our purpose is

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not necessarily how we make money. And I think that's

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a big, a big shift for people where I love

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when I see people who are working in you know,

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they've had a full on spiritual awakening and there's still

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a mail carrier for now, you know, there's still I

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had a guest on who jokes because now he's a

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psychic medium and he is doing that full time, but

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for a long time he was a mail carrier and

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he says, I was delivering messages. I was delivering messages

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like during the day and spirit messages at night.

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You know, couldn't he was kind of had a foot

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in both worlds.

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But yeah, but it really is this, this ability to

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walk with a foot in each world. And I think

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that there is great opportunity there because if everybody who

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had a spiritual awakening then turn their back on mainstream society,

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turn their back on working an office job, for example.

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Where would we be?

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Like we I feel that there is a community of souls,

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a big community of souls who is here on the

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planet right now, and we're scattered. You know, we've incarnated

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together over multiple lifetimes. We are mission driven in terms

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of raising the consciousness, but we're intentionally not all in

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one community, in one space, in one location, sequestered off

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so that we can live here on earth in the

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way that we want to. And it's such a delicate

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balance because it is our lives. So if we're stuck

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in a job, in a relationship and with friends, that

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and no, and we can't see a reflection of how

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we feel in anybody, that is a hard place to be.

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So it's not saying say stuck, stay sucked. It's not

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because it's too hard to say.

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That's why.

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So I'm not saying stay stuck because you you know,

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you have to be in service in this way, and

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you have to be miserable because that's your mission.

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It's not that at all.

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You know. We continuously use our circumstances to feel our way,

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navigate our way through life. And it may be that

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we it's most appropriate for us at this juncture in

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our life path to have more of a mainstream job.

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But that doesn't mean that we don't keep nurturing that

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spiritual awakening. We don't keep there's there are so many

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resources out there right now, and we have the Internet

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which gives us, you know, access to that spiritual nourishment

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really easily. You know, I mean, think of how many

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episodes you guys have of the metaphysic. There are a

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lot of words I can't say right now, A skeptical,

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a physician, and people can be accessing that in their

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free time and it is helping them to shift and

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it's helping them to nurture that awakening. But it doesn't

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necessarily mean that they have to turn their back on

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their whole lives. And another you know, saying that, I

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think people another place where people get stuck is, you know,

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they they may be a certain amount of the way

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through their lives where they have a family, they have

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a spouse, they have children, and they may feel like, wait,

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I'm the only one who's awakened in my house and

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feel like they you know, I mean there are people

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who do then run off to a cave and or

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you know, go and leave their family and go and

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join a group. And I would just really really encourage

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anybody who's feeling like that you deeply consider three hundred

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and sixty degree ramifications of that, because while that may

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feel like it's going to create wholeness in some part

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of us, if we think about your life's purpose, your

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karmaic ties, the trauma that you create, the waves of

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trauma that you create through abandonment, we want to see

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a complete picture and really really be sure when we're

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stepping away from something that we have participated in creating

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that would have deeply traumatic impacts on people. Right.

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And I do like how you say stress the importance

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of it. You don't have to quit your job or

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your one life, because I think that's a big fear

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that a lot of people have. If they start to

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they're starting to wake up it, they're starting to see

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and understand different things, they feel like, well, I have

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to leave this and become this other type of person.

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But that's not the case. We're all supposed to wake

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up who it's like, to amplify who we are. And

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part of you know, your job might be providing for

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your family or you know, teaching children or whatever. So

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I do think it's important to know that you don't

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have It doesn't have to be one.

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Or the other.

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Fact.

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Well, in an argument could possibly be made for staying

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in place so that your example will help awaken others

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in that space that would not have had that example

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had you decide to remove yourself from the situation.

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Absolutely, And now that there are more resources like our

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podcasts or you know, just go online, you'll see that

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it's not just the you know, crazy old lady that

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lives with all the cats down the street. It's the

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doctor and the account and the lawyer and the pharmacist

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and the stay at home mom, Like everybody is starting

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to have these awakenings. And I think the internet, you know,

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that's good, good and bad. But I think one of

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the good things is that you can find other people

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in that situation. You can be connected so you don't

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feel so isolated, which awakenings can often leave.

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And that's not to say they're having a lot of

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cats is crazy.

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Now we just say a bigger house and a dog

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that wouldn't eat them.

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That's true. Yes, our dog would very hungry dog to

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have a lot of cats. Quite I settle for one, honestly.

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All Right, So that's beautifully said. That that's a lesson

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that a lot of people really need to organically ingest

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inside themselves because there is a big push towards picking

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up and going somewhere. Now there there is sometimes an

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occasion when a spiritual awakening happens that is so debilitating

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because it is so impactful in so many ways that

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someone might be might find it necessary to take some

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time for themselves to find a way through. But there

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are people there that can help with that and when

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it comes down to it. So but now your book

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you talk about your book is called Your Authentic Awakening, right,

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and you talk a lot about the importance of authenticity.

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Can you tell why is it so important to be

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really authentic when you're going through things like this?

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Yeah, there are multiple ways that we look at this,

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and in one of the ways is something that you

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touched on in the beginning, which is kind of following

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in the footsteps of others or spiritual organizations where we

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you know, and this was part of my path was

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even so I do have more of a culty experience,

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and then I have the sort of spiritual organization that

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helped me get kickstarted. And I don't see that one

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particularly as a cult. It was definitely alternative kind of spirituality,

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but it wasn't I wouldn't say that it was like

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particularly culty, but it did have a guru.

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learn how to meditate and get my feet in terms

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of spirituality that wasn't wrapped up in religion. And they

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I remember so many times them talking about how this

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path was without dogma. That was a problem with religion.

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There's so much dogma in religion, but there wasn't dogma

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in this path. And yet each step I took, I

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was sort of like, there's so much dogma here. And

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it really one example of that that really was is

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crystallized in my mind with it was I had discovered

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the enneagram. Are you familiar with the enneagram? You know,

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kind of a personality assessment sort of thing, And I

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had heard about it, and I asked one of the

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elders in this organization if he had heard of the

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enneagram and if he thought it was useful, and you know,

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at this time, I was really like very conscientious of

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is this going to take me off my path type

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of thing, right, And he said, well, Master didn't teach

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about the enneagram, so why would I pursue that, and

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and just shut me down, like you know, with that

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with just a like don't even look at that, just

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keep your blinders on, because we're only going to be

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focused on the things that the Guru talked about. And

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the Guru died one hundred and no not one hundred

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and died in nineteen fifty two, so they were keeping

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his lineage alive through the talks that he gave, you know,

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one hundred years ago and between you know, seventy and

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one hundred years ago, and so it was it was dogmatic,

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you know, it was like, well, I'm only going to

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put energy and value into things that have that are

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part of this path, and I'm not going to explore

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anything else.

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Great, big, wide universe with and so much has come

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about since you know, even in this century, much less

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the latter half of the last century that they're just disregarding.

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And so what I had found and what ultimately why

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I left that group was there really wasn't a lot

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of room for growth. It was just this rehashing and

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rehashing and rehashing of the same material and looking at

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it from new ways. Of course, you know, this thing

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popped up in my life, this new experience. Now, how

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do I apply this to things that this master had

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said in their teachings? And there is value in that,

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But it did get to the point where I just

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felt like I was in this tight spiral of like

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looping and looping and looping, and it was like, but

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I think the Aneagram's fascinating. I want to know more

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about myself from that angle. And what about reiki, which

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wasn't around when he was alive, and you know, I

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want to explore that, and I want to explore he

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never talked to out aliens.

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Maybe I want to learn about aliens.

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You know, all of these pieces of my spiritual path

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now because I let go of trying to fit into

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somebody else's box of saying this is how you awaken

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and this is what is valuable and not valuable, and

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so that is one of the ways that I see

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the importance of authenticity is we all have like a

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soul signature or a soul blueprint, however you want to

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think about it, a soul frequency, and it's unique to us,

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and it is we have it based on our experiences

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before this life and this life that we've been living

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all these years has also colored our soul, and our

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soul has colored it. But when we enable ourselves and

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give ourselves the freedom to say what brings me joy,

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what brings me excitement, what interests me, and follow that,

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that is really what's going to help us to keep

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finding what is relevant to us and to keep growing

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rather than to always be you know, looking around at Okay, well,

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that person seems further along than me. So what courses

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have they taken, what courses are they offering, what are

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you know, what methods do they use? And you there

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is some of that that is still valid because we

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are all helping each other. We're we are walking each

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other home. That beautiful expression that was it rohmdaus or us? Yeah,

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we are. We are doing this together as a community,

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and we are offering you know, a hand back to

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the people who want to come forward, and we are

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accepting the hands of those who can help to lift

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us up also, and we have these unique expressions of

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who we are, and we will find so much purpose

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and joy in our lives when we take the cues

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of what lights that spark within us, and that helps

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us to express ourselves as that true soul.

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Yeah, we talk about it all the time on the show.

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How I mean our fingerprints are uniquely ours. How can

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we expect everyone's path to be uniquely the same, right

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or the same when we strongly believe that our spiritual

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paths are very independently different and unique to each person.

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There's that the whole tenant of one truth, many paths.

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It's sometimes people need those I don't want to say

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crutch because it's not really crutch, but those aids where

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there's a structure and you follow the structure, you have

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a roadmap to where you need to go. However, there

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are those, and I would say maybe it allows more

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of a I don't want to say the wrong thing

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because I don't want to offend anybody, but sometimes people

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need those road maps, and sometimes you need to go

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off the beaten path in order to find your own path,

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and you chunk a bunch of things together and that

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makes who you are. There was a time when I

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was in meditation felt this message come through that united

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all these different things like the astrology, numerology and your gams,

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all these kinds of things, human design, all these kinds

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of things that were imprinted on us the minute we

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were born, because we were meant to say, here's all

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the different dimensions of you. Pick which one makes sense

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so that you can understand yourself, and that's how we

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move that thing forward. So that's a kind of New

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Reality TV. The al reason we're doing New Reality to

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be that we're doing right.

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Absolutely, you just don't know what's going to resonate with

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someone else. I think the good thing about the structured spirituality,

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whether you want to call it religion or a cult,

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because the cult doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing.

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I would pause the that religion might be a cult itself.

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They are.

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Actually that's one the first thing they teaches an anthropology.

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People have get offended by that. So it's just basically

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everyone having a same belief system and following a certain

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set of practices. But I think for a lot of

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people can be a good starting point. Sometimes you don't

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know what you need until you're in a situation where

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you're getting what you don't need, right, and it can

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be like, oh well, in theory, this sounds interesting, but

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it is not resonating, so I'm going to look for

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something else or it can help. I mean, there are

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some really wonderful people that are just true believers of

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whatever spiritual body or organization that they're with, So I

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think there could be good and bad for both.

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I think the.

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Problem is so often in any sort of organized spiritual system,

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whether it's religion or a traditional cult, hm you want

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to call it, that there are often those players that

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like having that power, They're like feeling important, and that

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becomes that becomes their driving force. And we've seen how

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that's happened in the cap religion and other organized religions.

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Yeah, I feel so attacked right now, but okay, I'll

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forward just kidding. I'm just kidding. So we all agree

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of one thing, and that is that spiritual awakening is

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really an individual thing. It doesn't. You know, whatever tool

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you need or you find that residents will use the

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way that you should go. However, there are those out

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there who are just starting on the path who may

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think Is this a spiritual awakening? Is it not?

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So?

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What kind of signs, What kind of signs would you

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say someone should look for to identify whether or not

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they are perhaps going through with spiritual awakening.

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What a great question, and you know it is. It's

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another one of those such an individual thing. Classic spiritual

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awakening is like is your life falling apart right now?

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Or has your life recently fallen apart? I know that

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was the awakening path for me where I had you know,

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I was very sure about a lot of things. I

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was kind of just riding the surface of life and

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enjoying myself, and then I just had tragedy after tragedy

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after tragedy of people that I'm very close to, whether

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that was them dying, having heart transplant, being hit by

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a motorbike when they crossed the street, having surgery on

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their brain stem, being diagnosed with a brain tumor, all

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of that happening within like seven months. And these are

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people that I'm very very close with, like family. So

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for me, I just got into like this whirlwind of

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tragedy where I just couldn't recognize my life anymore and

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I felt like I needed I needed like it felt

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like I needed to hold on to something because I

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felt like I was just and around in the wind,

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and it was like what's going to be next? You know,

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you start to get in this like trauma cycle of

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like I don't want to answer my phone because that's

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like people will text you unless it's really bad news,

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and then they you know, they want to call you,

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and I you know, it almost became a joke of like, well,

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I don't want to answer that because it's my dad

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and he's calling, and and then it would be like

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and then it would literally like I'd answer the phone

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and I'd be waiting for the bad news, and then

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I would get terrible news. You know.

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It's like you know, waiting for the other shoe to

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drop and realizing your centipede.

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Yes, I love that.

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So a lot of times that is what kicks starts

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somebody's spiritual awakening, and it is I think from like

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a spiritual perspective, you know, at least speaking in my case,

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I feel like the time was really right. I came

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here to experience a certain a certain way of living

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life and looking at life and radiating myself, and I

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wasn't doing that on my own, and so it does.

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Looking back, it does feel like it was very purposeful

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for all of those things to happen in such a

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concentrated time where I just felt like because I just

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wasn't getting I can see now there were little clues

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of like trying to get me to, you know, have

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the space to be able to experience myself in a

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more spiritual way, and I was like just distracting myself.

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But you know, it also can just be that you're

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becoming interested in these things, you know, and there is

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something called synchronicity, and I know that you guys are

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very familiar with synchronicity. But when you start to feel

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like the universe is talking to you and maybe you're

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hearing over and over similar concepts that are new to you.

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So let's just say, you know everything is energy, and

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somebody starts talking about how everything is energy and you've

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never really thought about that before, but it does make sense,

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and wow, if that's true, then what does that mean?

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Like I've been limiting myself because I've been experiencing everything

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as like either solid.

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Liquid or gas.

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But if it is true that everything is energy, then

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how does that change my limitations? And what is possible

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that I have believed is impossible, and maybe then you're

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just everywhere you turn, it feels like people are talking

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about how everything is energy, and it's like just getting

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you thinking more and more about reality in a different way.

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And that's just one example, but there may be different

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ways that the universe starts to talk to you, to say, like,

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here is a new way of looking at things. Here,

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here are some glimpses into what reality really is under

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the surface of what we've been fed. So I think,

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I mean, those are just a couple of different ways,

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but they're and for some people it's just this. They've

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just felt this their whole lives. But they've gone along

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with the mainstream and they've gone along with what they've

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been taught. I mean, one of the things I talk

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about in the book is like how we've been conditioned

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and we've been programmed, and it's been you know, society

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does it just by virtue of being in society. Schooling

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does it. By virtue of being in school. We're being

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molded and programmed, and our family does it, and the

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media does it, you know, And I mean, you guys,

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thank goodness, you're creating like this, you know, true platform

486
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:53.720
where people can explore a different view of reality so

487
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.240
that you know, we can have an alternative to what

488
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:01.240
the mainstream is telling us is true. But all of

489
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.519
these ways are ways that we've been programmed. But there

490
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:05.880
are a lot of people who from the time that

491
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:09.400
they've been born something has felt not right, but they've

492
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.799
just been going along with it because nobody else is

493
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:13.720
talking about things in a different way.

494
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.039
And then that.

495
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.039
Starts to get stronger and stronger when the time is right.

496
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:21.319
You know, we can never force the roads to bloom,

497
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.799
but once it's ready, there's so many different ways that

498
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:25.960
it can express.

499
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.200
So what I'm hearing you say in the crux of

500
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:29.960
it all is just pay attention.

501
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:31.880
Yeah, pay attention.

502
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:33.079
Things can be tricky.

503
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.039
Yeah, oh yeah, I know it's very real.

504
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.039
Well until it breaks your leg in Europe.

505
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.359
Right, which which may or may not have happened, actually,

506
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.759
but I always say the universe starts with a whisper

507
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:46.680
in the wind and ends with a two by four

508
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:51.240
to the head, yes, or the ank right. Well, something

509
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:54.079
that people are turning to more and more to do

510
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.799
a spiritual weakening is plant medicine. And I know that

511
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:00.240
you have some experience with this, so how can you51200:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.880



How can someone know for sure whether or not plant51300:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.799



medicine is something that they should turn to to look51400:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.759



at their spiritual weakening process or if it's just the51500:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.400



fad that's that's going around now, how does someone discern51600:30:13.440 --> 00:30:14.119



between those two?51700:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.920



That is such a great question, and it's it's two51800:30:16.960 --> 00:30:18.519



in a row. Yes, good job.51900:30:19.519 --> 00:30:21.200



We need to take a quick pause, but we'll be52000:30:21.279 --> 00:30:25.680



right back right after these messages. Hey there, We hope52100:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.279



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Some people do like they might.53000:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.839



I know of people who just kind of they get53100:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.400



curious about something like bufo or mushroom.53200:31:00.279 --> 00:31:01.799



Looking up frog. I just can't imagine that.53300:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.359



But I don't think you have to. I think you can.53400:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.279



I don't know if they smoke it. I mean, but53500:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.359



I don't think. I don't well, I don't know that.53600:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.319



Big rolling paper there.53700:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.480



I think I was assuming that they did. There was53800:31:21.599 --> 00:31:26.920



no actual live frog involved. But now you've got my questioning.53900:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.599



Welcome to metemusicians.54000:31:30.400 --> 00:31:30.960



Oh my god.54100:31:31.559 --> 00:31:31.759



Yeah.54200:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.759



No. I know people, for instance, who have done like54300:31:36.079 --> 00:31:42.240



very hardcore like psychedelic experiences and they did it more54400:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.359



from for lack of a better term, for a party reason,54500:31:45.559 --> 00:31:47.359



you know, like they were just they just wanted to54600:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.119



experience like an alternate consciousness, but more in a party sense,54700:31:51.240 --> 00:31:55.160



and then just had their whole world rocked where they're like, oh,54800:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.240



I've got to sell all these things that I thought54900:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.599



were important, but I don't care about that stuff anymore.55000:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.400



And it's a silly that's a silly thing that I'm55100:32:02.440 --> 00:32:07.599



letting go. And so it really kind of unexpectedly had55200:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.160



an awakening impact on them. And then there are a55300:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.799



lot of people who are, you know, going to South America,55400:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.480



going to Central America having ayahuasca ceremonies. I don't personally55500:32:20.559 --> 00:32:24.960



have experience with ayahuasca. I do know that it is55600:32:26.319 --> 00:32:32.079



so many people have really beautiful, valid awakening experiences where55700:32:32.119 --> 00:32:36.799



they're just experiencing reality in a different way. They're seeing55800:32:36.839 --> 00:32:41.319



into the matrix, they're experiencing, you know, spirits that are55900:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.039



coming to them and talking to them. But it's tricky56000:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.839



territory for many reasons. You know, one just being you're very,56100:32:48.960 --> 00:32:54.359



very vulnerable in that state, and so you know you're56200:32:54.400 --> 00:32:55.839



going to a foreign country.56300:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.319



You don't know the shamans.56400:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.359



The shamans are why to you know, there are a56500:33:01.400 --> 00:33:04.400



lot of people performing this who aren't actually shamans. And56600:33:05.079 --> 00:33:08.599



you're not only vulnerable in just your physical but it's56700:33:08.720 --> 00:33:12.839



an energetic experience and if and there are people who56800:33:13.240 --> 00:33:18.720



know how to manipulate energy for their you know, which56900:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.839



is for their gain and for your loss. So that57000:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.880



is just something to definitely be aware of. I wouldn't57100:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.039



I wouldn't go out and listen to stories of ayahuasca57200:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.359



and just take them at face value and think like, yes,57300:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.559



this is the path I'm one day into my spiritual awakening,57400:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.640



and this is step two. You know this is going57500:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.400



to be my day too. You know, you really want57600:33:40.440 --> 00:33:44.599



to be mindful and cautious, but it can be a57700:33:44.599 --> 00:33:51.200



great tool. Now I personally have experience with mushrooms sometimes57800:33:51.200 --> 00:33:56.079



and I've had some beautiful experiences with that. But what's57900:33:56.160 --> 00:34:00.599



interesting because I am going through my own sort of58000:34:01.079 --> 00:34:05.559



personal change with regards if we want to call it58100:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.920



plant medicine. So I live in Indiana, and you can't58200:34:09.960 --> 00:34:13.000



get THHC. It's not illegal, like you can't even get it.58300:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.320



I don't think you can even get it for like medical,58400:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.760



but you can get CBD, and so I have had58500:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.320



experiences where I've taken some CBD at night, but it58600:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.199



does have TCHC in it. So this is where I58700:34:26.199 --> 00:34:31.119



get confused because I'm like, well, it says there's TC anyway.58800:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.880



So that's why I'm only saying that because of the58900:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.639



plant part. Like I consider it plant medicine even though59000:34:38.719 --> 00:34:40.079



I'm taking like a.59100:34:40.039 --> 00:34:41.159



Gummy or something.59200:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.559



But I don't know if it's because I have had59300:34:44.559 --> 00:34:48.320



a couple of experiences with mushrooms that really opened up59400:34:48.599 --> 00:34:52.159



my psychic perception in terms of being able to see59500:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.559



like very psychedelic. I mean, it's a very psychedelic experience.59600:34:58.000 --> 00:34:59.920



But there are plenty of times where I have had59700:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.599



had CBD and then in that space like between wakefulness59800:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.920



and sleep called the hypnagogic state, I have had very59900:35:09.960 --> 00:35:14.519



psychedelic experiences, but without psychedelics. One time it actually happened.60000:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.719



I had somebody had given me like a bar of60100:35:18.199 --> 00:35:22.960



mushroom chocolate, and I had it in my bedside table60200:35:23.079 --> 00:35:27.079



drawer and I hadn't taken any of it, but I60300:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.840



started having psychedelic experiences just by having it, just because60400:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.079



it was in my field, like it was it was60500:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.159



near by, like it was very close to my body.60600:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.199



But I hadn't actually ingested any of it. And I60700:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.519



was like, why am I this is so powerful?60800:35:40.519 --> 00:35:42.440



Why am I seeing this? And I was like, I've60900:35:42.480 --> 00:35:43.800



got those chocolates.61000:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.559



Right there, and we only just found out that there61100:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.440



is such a thing as mushroom chocolate. So yeah, that's61200:35:50.440 --> 00:35:51.880



an interesting thing.61300:35:52.280 --> 00:35:56.920



So how can you discern, like if someone is going61400:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.280



to an Ayahuascar retreat and they've done all their research61500:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.760



and this is a good one, how can you tell61600:36:02.079 --> 00:36:06.800



if what you're going through is actually a spiritual situation61700:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.760



or you're not just tripping on the drugs.61800:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.000



I mean, is it exclusive for each other?61900:36:12.639 --> 00:36:13.719



It can be I a thing.62000:36:14.199 --> 00:36:14.599



I don't know.62100:36:15.199 --> 00:36:16.960



Yeah, it's that's a great question.62200:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.119



And you know, I mean this, I think that that's62300:36:20.199 --> 00:36:25.119



a bigger question about how do you discern spiritual experiences62400:36:25.320 --> 00:36:31.519



from you know, generally, like if you're experiencing something in meditation,62500:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.119



you know, how can we how can we be sure62600:36:34.239 --> 00:36:39.840



this goes to the imagination versus the true experience.62700:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.760



And that was a that was.62800:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.519



A line for me for a long time where it62900:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.400



was like is this my imagination? And not necessarily again,63000:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.519



like not necessarily with ayahuasca or with plants or anything,63100:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.599



but just even in meditation or in a dream, like63200:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.360



I would have a dream and I would feel like, God,63300:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.719



that was so real, and I was with this person63400:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.079



who passed away, and you know, they gave me a63500:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.800



hug and I felt them like I could feel them63600:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.320



when I was hugging them. They felt solid. And yet63700:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.519



I was dreaming was it a dream? Or was it63800:37:09.599 --> 00:37:10.960



like a special dream? You know?63900:37:11.039 --> 00:37:12.639



And it was an either or.64000:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.519



And that's something that through my spiritual awakening, I've softened64100:37:17.760 --> 00:37:21.880



that either or where it's like the imagination in our64200:37:21.920 --> 00:37:26.840



perception is so powerful and when we try to say64300:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.000



like is it this or this? Was it real or64400:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.760



was it my imagination? It's like, well, what is your imagination?64500:37:33.079 --> 00:37:38.679



You know, your imagination is real and it is connecting you.64600:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.840



But what I was doing was shutting off these things64700:37:42.920 --> 00:37:48.800



that could have been really great experiences because I was like, hm,64800:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.320



I think it was just my imagination. And then you know,64900:37:52.360 --> 00:37:56.320



it's like, it's taken me some time to like soften that,65000:37:56.679 --> 00:38:00.159



like just the imagination and be like, what is my65100:38:00.199 --> 00:38:01.360



imagination leading me to?65200:38:02.000 --> 00:38:06.519



And we have a propensity to try to explain away everything, right,65300:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.800



so it's just my imagination, so that that's our that's65400:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.199



our knee jerk. We go to that automatically. But the65500:38:11.199 --> 00:38:13.159



more that you start, we talk about all the time,65600:38:13.199 --> 00:38:17.320



the more you suspend your disbelief and you allow magic65700:38:17.440 --> 00:38:21.679



to happen, you open yourself up for more magic to happen,65800:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.960



and then more synchronicities happen, and more coincidences that we65900:38:26.039 --> 00:38:29.760



call little miracles, right, Karen called them little miracles. And66000:38:30.360 --> 00:38:33.239



if you don't, I don't. I no longer I used66100:38:33.239 --> 00:38:37.440



to always say, oh, there's there's gotta be valid explanation66200:38:37.559 --> 00:38:39.599



for this and find the scientific way to explain it.66300:38:39.639 --> 00:38:44.039



I don't do that anymore because I now just enjoy66400:38:44.079 --> 00:38:46.360



the magic that's thanks to her.66500:38:46.559 --> 00:38:49.400



Yeah, it's like it'sycling to a magic show.66600:38:49.440 --> 00:38:50.119



You know, it's so cool.66700:38:50.199 --> 00:38:51.400



Then you find out how they did it, and it66800:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.679



just it's not fat impressive anymore.66900:38:55.159 --> 00:38:56.960



In fact, there's this thing that happens when I meditate.67000:38:57.039 --> 00:38:58.360



Now it used to happen to Karen. I don't know67100:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.159



it still doesn't know. But I'm seeing these colors like67200:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.400



I'm seeing purple yea, and so everything inside me is going, Okay,67300:39:05.400 --> 00:39:06.840



I need to I need to research what are these67400:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.559



colors that I'm seeing in my head like, and I've67500:39:08.599 --> 00:39:11.280



scientifically explained them, but I stop myself from doing it67600:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.440



because I don't want to know. Yeah, I'm enjoying the experience.67700:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.000



I'm allowing I'm allowing my mind to think whatever I67800:39:17.039 --> 00:39:18.599



want to think about it and just going with it.67900:39:18.639 --> 00:39:20.800



And it was it's still it's beautiful. It's really fun68000:39:20.840 --> 00:39:21.800



to have that.68100:39:22.199 --> 00:39:22.480



Yeah.68200:39:22.480 --> 00:39:27.360



Well, and kind of bringing it around to Karen's Karen's68300:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.239



thoughts about like, well, how do you know if this68400:39:29.400 --> 00:39:33.079



is real or not? And this is kind of where68500:39:33.119 --> 00:39:37.159



that evolution is happening for me with the CBD, because68600:39:38.960 --> 00:39:42.679



it's so much easier for me to have these experiences,68700:39:42.719 --> 00:39:47.039



these metaphysical experiences at night. I don't know if it's68800:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.039



just that it's helping me to stay in that in68900:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.559



between space because I don't fall asleep as quickly, and69000:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.159



or if it's actually helping my focus in terms of69100:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.400



there's you know, you know how you focus your eye,69200:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.199



and you depending on the distance of what you're looking at,69300:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.920



your focus changes well in your inner site that is69400:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.920



also happening, So it's it's very similar to.69500:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.039



How your eyes focus, but there's.69600:40:13.920 --> 00:40:18.440



It's like the chaos and noise of the static that69700:40:18.519 --> 00:40:22.039



you see behind closed eyes. When I start to have69800:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.639



these experiences, it starts to organize and there starts to69900:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.960



be structure in the chaos, and then I start seeing70000:40:30.119 --> 00:40:35.079



these energy patterns and these and I'll get insights downloads.70100:40:35.559 --> 00:40:40.480



Usually I'm not seeing like form. I'm not seeing people70200:40:41.280 --> 00:40:46.079



or landscapes. Usually it's energy patterns and they're moving and changing.70300:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.280



And depending on how I focus that inner focus depends70400:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.480



on what I see. You know, I might see space.70500:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.119



I might see just like it's like I'm in space.70600:40:55.239 --> 00:40:57.400



I might see it more like I'm in a dome70700:40:57.679 --> 00:41:04.760



and I'm seeing column very like moss slash cathedral like70800:41:05.119 --> 00:41:09.440



senses at different times, lots of seeing liketeroidal fields from70900:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.840



the side and it's moving, which also has it like71000:41:13.039 --> 00:41:18.280



psychedelic tree look to it also. So it's been one71100:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.920



of those things because I enjoy those experiences so much.71200:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.679



It was like, oh, well, CBD helps me to be71300:41:25.760 --> 00:41:29.360



able to experience these more. And then I guess it71400:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.599



was like two months ago. Now, maybe I had a71500:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.239



really strong dream, and I won't go into the ins71600:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.679



and outs of it, but essentially I got to this71700:41:39.800 --> 00:41:44.199



gatekeeper and in the dream, and I was looking for71800:41:44.239 --> 00:41:48.159



my passport and I only had expired passports and I71900:41:48.199 --> 00:41:49.280



couldn't find.72000:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.119



And this guy was like so nice, it was such72100:41:51.199 --> 00:41:52.599



a such a great guy.72200:41:53.519 --> 00:41:56.280



And I was looking through my backpack and I found72300:41:56.360 --> 00:42:01.480



all these gummies, these red gummies, and I just I72400:42:01.559 --> 00:42:04.360



had to like two handfuls of them, and I said,72500:42:04.400 --> 00:42:05.719



do you have like a bin?72600:42:05.800 --> 00:42:06.960



Can I put these in your bin?72700:42:07.800 --> 00:42:11.199



And he like handed me this bucket and I put72800:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.320



the gummies in the bucket and then I kept looking72900:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.679



looking looking, and there were a lot of different There73000:42:15.679 --> 00:42:17.880



were a lot of symbols in this dream. So it73100:42:17.960 --> 00:42:19.400



took me a while. And actually, I don't know if73200:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.280



you've ever heard of Robert Moss.73300:42:22.039 --> 00:42:23.719



I have heard the name. I'm not sure if I'm73400:42:23.760 --> 00:42:24.719



not very familiar with them.73500:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.960



So he is like this dream shaman.73600:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.159



He's been around for a long time and he's but73700:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.599



he's very He's written a ton of books. And I73800:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.440



actually interviewed him right after this dream. So we used73900:42:37.480 --> 00:42:42.440



the dream to kind of unpack all of this and74000:42:42.440 --> 00:42:44.719



and so, but I it had been heavy on my74100:42:44.760 --> 00:42:48.519



mind and I kept thinking, are the fact that I74200:42:48.599 --> 00:42:49.920



threw these gummies away?74300:42:50.440 --> 00:42:55.960



Am I being invited to throw away the CBD? And74400:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.239



And that was how I ended up taking that.74500:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.440



As soon as I had the dream, I stopped and74600:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.000



I was doing I was having it like maybe twice74700:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.320



a week or so, because the downside, I can't remember74800:43:07.360 --> 00:43:11.280



my dreams when I take it very easily, and so74900:43:11.559 --> 00:43:13.559



I was like, well, I like to remember my dreams.75000:43:13.599 --> 00:43:15.519



I like to feel that I'm engaging with my dreams.75100:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.920



And so anyway, all of that to say that I75200:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.320



felt that the dream was inviting me not to do75300:43:21.360 --> 00:43:22.199



that anymore.75400:43:22.880 --> 00:43:24.639



And so it's been interesting to.75500:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.840



See what I can quote unquote what I can do75600:43:29.480 --> 00:43:33.360



when I don't have that aid and I am having75700:43:33.920 --> 00:43:38.519



experiences where I am still seeing those things.75800:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.320



It is a little bit harder for me but.75900:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.639



I am like, oh my god, I am doing it76000:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.239



without the AID and so but I do feel so76100:43:49.360 --> 00:43:52.519



much that it served, you know, it helped me to carve.76200:43:52.679 --> 00:43:54.920



What I feel like is happening is that I've carved76300:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.199



these pathways and I can get into I can get76400:43:59.199 --> 00:44:03.039



to these states because I have these pathways carved and76500:44:03.079 --> 00:44:06.599



I no longer necessarily need that AID to be able76600:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.320



to take me there. So it's interesting how these things76700:44:09.360 --> 00:44:13.800



evolve and how they can be valid aids until you know,76800:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.159



but then we might kind of graduate out of them76900:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.719



and maybe they'll become an AID again in the future.77000:44:18.760 --> 00:44:22.239



But it does really seem that right now it's important77100:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.639



for me to not right.77200:44:24.880 --> 00:44:26.840



Yeah, it does sound like that you're being told you77300:44:26.880 --> 00:44:27.440



don't need this.77400:44:27.840 --> 00:44:32.039



Yeah, it does. Well, we all know the powers inside77500:44:32.360 --> 00:44:36.039



it's within. So Okay, So we are quickly running out77600:44:36.079 --> 00:44:37.159



of time, So I want to make sure that we77700:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.760



take some time to talk about your show, because we77800:44:39.760 --> 00:44:42.280



were you graciously invited to be guests on your show.77900:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.519



We had a wonderful time that your show talks about78000:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.800



all kinds of stuff, right the name of the show78100:44:47.920 --> 00:44:51.760



is a sole Elevations podcast. You explore some really cosmic78200:44:51.880 --> 00:44:57.000



territory like ascension and et contact and energy healings, all78300:44:57.079 --> 00:45:01.159



kinds of stuff. How do all these threads together in78400:45:01.199 --> 00:45:02.519



your show, in your work.78500:45:02.760 --> 00:45:06.480



Yeah, it's a really appropriate question because for a long78600:45:06.519 --> 00:45:11.119



time the podcast was called Meditation Conversation because when I78700:45:11.159 --> 00:45:15.199



started it back in twenty eighteen, it was really around meditation.78800:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.159



And then with after a couple of years, I started78900:45:18.199 --> 00:45:22.840



having much more consciousness based conversations. But it took me79000:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.800



forever to change the name because I liked the the79100:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.719



you know, rhythm of meditation conversation.79200:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.880



But eventually, I mean literally.79300:45:32.559 --> 00:45:34.079



It's just been in the last few months that I79400:45:34.159 --> 00:45:39.159



changed the name to Soul Elevation because the conversations are79500:45:39.360 --> 00:45:44.119



really focused on the broader consciousness and I'm not really79600:45:44.159 --> 00:45:45.199



talking about meditation.79700:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.599



I haven't for a very long time. So it's like.79800:45:48.679 --> 00:45:50.360



Both of like, if you want to show that's going79900:45:50.400 --> 00:45:52.960



to talk about meditation, this is not your show. And80000:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.760



if you don't want to listen to something because you're80100:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.840



not interested in meditation, this could be your show. But80200:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.880



it's when we think about consciousness, there are all these80300:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.519



different threads. It's again kind of going back to that80400:46:06.679 --> 00:46:10.880



prism where We've got a prism of consciousness, and the80500:46:11.000 --> 00:46:15.840



light that shines into it then has these rainbow fractals80600:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.599



that go out, and that one stream might be energy healing,80700:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.360



and one stream might be ets and how they're helping80800:46:24.440 --> 00:46:28.480



us with our spiritual development, and one might be alternative80900:46:28.760 --> 00:46:33.519



health and healing and so but the common factor with81000:46:33.679 --> 00:46:37.119



all of it is that we are more than the physical,81100:46:37.400 --> 00:46:40.559



and we are more than our minds, and there is81200:46:40.639 --> 00:46:44.000



something that is connecting all of us, and if we81300:46:44.119 --> 00:46:48.239



really utilize that, we can be so much more than81400:46:48.320 --> 00:46:52.519



what we think we can be. And so that's really81500:46:53.039 --> 00:46:55.800



the core of what I like to explore on the podcast.81600:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.840



And here I thought Et just wanted to phone home.81700:47:00.760 --> 00:47:01.679



He wanted out of here.81800:47:02.079 --> 00:47:08.159



Yeah today, all right, So when if someone and I've81900:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.639



been listening to your show, and sometimes you do interviews82000:47:10.639 --> 00:47:12.079



like what you did with us, and sometimes you do82100:47:12.159 --> 00:47:15.880



solo shows where you actually impart messages and lessons for82200:47:15.960 --> 00:47:19.360



people to learn. Is there is there a particular person82300:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.280



that you think would be the most appropriate to listen82400:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.440



to your show and really truly have some good takeaways.82500:47:25.960 --> 00:47:32.599



From Yeah, I anybody who is going through spiritual awakening,82600:47:32.719 --> 00:47:35.000



and that can there are, like we've been talking about82700:47:35.039 --> 00:47:38.400



this whole time. There are different levels of awakening. There82800:47:38.400 --> 00:47:43.719



are different ways that we awaken. Some people, for example, awaken,82900:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.440



you know, back to an early question. Some people awaken83000:47:47.559 --> 00:47:50.239



because they realize, you know, they go the more of83100:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.440



the conspiracy route, for example, where it's like and sometimes83200:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.880



that's related to like a medical thing where they do83300:47:56.920 --> 00:47:58.639



a deep dive and they're like, wait, why don't we83400:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.280



do it this way? Why are we having to take farma?83500:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.320



You know, why Farma is being shoved down our throat?83600:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.519



But there are these other legitimate things and then you83700:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.360



kind of go down that rabbit hole and there's some83800:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.280



really gnarly stuff going on there, and that makes people83900:48:14.320 --> 00:48:18.000



start to question their reality. I appreciate a good conspiracy84000:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.079



as much as the next guy, but it's not really84100:48:21.119 --> 00:48:23.679



like I don't really go down those rabbit holes on84200:48:23.719 --> 00:48:25.400



the show so much. I have.84300:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.639



I've had guests like jk Ultra, who is amazing. I84400:48:28.800 --> 00:48:30.320



love her. I don't know if you're familiar with her,84500:48:30.360 --> 00:48:31.719



but she, you.84600:48:31.679 --> 00:48:34.880



Know, jk Ultra like mk Ultra, you know, so she84700:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.639



is very like conspiracy heavy. I've had Reuben Langdon on84800:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.119



that's kind of his thing too, But I don't really84900:48:42.360 --> 00:48:47.280



like all of those discussions are more spiritual in nature85000:48:47.440 --> 00:48:51.639



than conspiracy. So that's I would say, you know, you're85100:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.480



not going to find a ton of that kind of content,85200:48:54.559 --> 00:48:58.440



but really around more of the empowerment. My issue with85300:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.760



conspiracy is a lot of time it makes us feel85400:49:00.800 --> 00:49:06.119



so disempowered, and so even though I love it, I85500:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.239



can feel it within myself of like, oh I'm starting85600:49:09.239 --> 00:49:11.480



to feel hopeless, I'm starting to feel drained.85700:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.400



I'm starting to feel.85800:49:13.360 --> 00:49:17.079



Like, you know, is like the deck is stacked against me,85900:49:17.199 --> 00:49:21.719



and so I prefer to keep my attention, you know,86000:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.199



in other places that make me feel more empowered, because86100:49:26.719 --> 00:49:31.000



that is really important. Empowerment is a critical component to86200:49:31.000 --> 00:49:31.639



our ascension.86300:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.480



No, definitely couldn't agree more with you on that one.86400:49:35.599 --> 00:49:38.079



All right, So every whenever we have a guest on86500:49:38.119 --> 00:49:39.800



the show, every once in a while, we like to86600:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.599



throw some curveball questions at them just to see what86700:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.559



comes out. If you would be okay with doing a86800:49:44.599 --> 00:49:46.840



couple couple of those, get a couple here, ready to86900:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.800



throw your way? Okay, So, m here we go. Here's87000:49:50.840 --> 00:49:55.679



the first question. If your Spirit Guides ran a podcast,87100:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.159



what would it be called, and what would the first87200:49:58.239 --> 00:49:59.159



episode be about?87300:49:59.519 --> 00:50:03.320



Oh, oh, what a great question.87400:50:03.440 --> 00:50:06.840



You know. It's funny because before we started recording, Will87500:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.639



and I were talking about because Karen changed the temperature,87600:50:09.639 --> 00:50:13.719



and we were talking about how when the energy gets87700:50:13.840 --> 00:50:17.719



really like big, and you're having deep conversations and you're87800:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.320



feeling like spirit is coming in and maybe speaking through87900:50:22.400 --> 00:50:28.119



you or definitely influencing your thoughts, it can make you hot.88000:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.360



And so you were sharing stories about that, and I88100:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.880



was like, yeah, I just hosted a workshop last night,88200:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.079



and oh my god, like I got all read and88300:50:36.119 --> 00:50:40.800



I was sweating, and but it felt like the it88400:50:40.920 --> 00:50:45.840



felt so palpable that there was there was presence there88500:50:45.920 --> 00:50:46.800



beyond myself.88600:50:47.480 --> 00:50:50.519



And so I do feel that.88700:50:50.639 --> 00:50:55.760



I work closely with my spirit team, and I do88800:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.599



feel that they helped me to change the name of88900:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.960



the Pie Cast recently, Like I was talking about from89000:51:03.039 --> 00:51:07.760



meditation conversation, like that seemed to be more of a89100:51:07.800 --> 00:51:11.599



suggestion from outside of myself because I'd been not interested89200:51:11.599 --> 00:51:13.320



in doing it for so long, and then it just89300:51:13.519 --> 00:51:16.280



was like all of a sudden, like on a dime, Oh,89400:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.679



I'm going to do it this way, And so many89500:51:18.760 --> 00:51:23.440



things lined up to support that happening all at once89600:51:23.480 --> 00:51:27.000



where I had that idea, and then different I mean,89700:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.960



for example, the imagery that you see behind me with89800:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.840



the geometry sacred geometry, like that came in right when89900:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.760



I was rebranding everything, but it was completely a.90000:51:42.079 --> 00:51:43.880



Coincidence, so to speak.90100:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.280



But different things like that where it's like, oh, the90200:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.239



first episode, one of the first episodes I have under90300:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.360



the new name, it's got a different backdrop, and there's90400:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.159



you know, lots of things changed all at once, but90500:51:56.280 --> 00:52:00.440



not by design. So the answer to your question, I90600:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.239



would say that they would call it Soul Elevation.90700:52:05.400 --> 00:52:06.599



That's the name they wanted.90800:52:07.199 --> 00:52:11.719



And then you know what seems to feel really relevant90900:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.280



to a lot of the content that it a lot91000:52:15.320 --> 00:52:18.480



of times that my conversations come back to, you know,91100:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.519



don't forget you've got this support from the on the91200:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.519



other side. You've got this team that is backing you up.91300:52:24.559 --> 00:52:27.360



Don't forget about them and call on them. And so91400:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.400



I think that that would be an easy first topic91500:52:30.440 --> 00:52:31.199



that they would want.91600:52:31.840 --> 00:52:34.119



Okay, that's a great, great answer to that question. Okay,91700:52:34.679 --> 00:52:37.840



here's a second curveball question, and I love this one,91800:52:37.920 --> 00:52:44.159



but you're probably gonna hate it. If authenticity had a smell,91900:52:45.280 --> 00:52:46.880



what would it be and why?92000:52:47.159 --> 00:52:54.559



Oh gosh, you know, for me, it's a woodsy okay,92100:52:54.639 --> 00:52:59.760



and I like but truly yeah, or like cedar or92200:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.480



you know, but I get that what I immediately saw was92300:53:03.519 --> 00:53:07.039



like the bark of a tree, right, And so I92400:53:07.079 --> 00:53:08.920



think I would have to pick that apart a little92500:53:08.960 --> 00:53:11.920



bit to like, you know, how that happens sometimes where92600:53:11.920 --> 00:53:13.679



it's like, well here's my answer. Now, let me see92700:53:13.719 --> 00:53:16.800



if I can figure out why that's my answer. But92800:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.039



I think maybe because there is just something so grounding92900:53:20.239 --> 00:53:25.960



and so present with like a wooded area or trees,93000:53:26.480 --> 00:53:31.360



and there's that stability, there's there's the the network, the93100:53:31.440 --> 00:53:34.599



tree network that's happening under the ground where they're all93200:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.880



communicating in this really mysterious way for us on the93300:53:37.920 --> 00:53:39.079



surface of life.93400:53:39.639 --> 00:53:43.280



Let's go with that. Let's go with woodsy sedery. I93500:53:43.440 --> 00:53:43.719



like it.93600:53:44.119 --> 00:53:45.880



Karen, you're a big smelt person. What do you think93700:53:45.880 --> 00:53:49.239



it would be? Chocolate choc maybe mushroom chocolate.93800:53:52.039 --> 00:53:53.840



Yeah, I was thinking I was kind of taking apart93900:53:53.880 --> 00:53:58.159



to like, okay, well, cuckoos, you know what they used94000:53:58.159 --> 00:54:01.639



it in the ancient civilizations for different ceremonies, so that94100:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.360



was always very important. And now that we're trying to94200:54:04.360 --> 00:54:06.719



make this more palatable, we're we're mixing it with sugar94300:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.400



and milk, and you know it's it's a lovely feeling94400:54:09.679 --> 00:54:11.440



because we eat chocolate. It just it popped into my.94500:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.559



Head, right because cacao is kind of as bitter actually94600:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.599



though the actual is actually a bitter taste.94700:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.519



It was very limited only the very special people that94800:54:17.920 --> 00:54:20.920



right right now it's like, get your little hoshy bar.94900:54:21.000 --> 00:54:25.039



Right, that's not real chocolate altway, I mean it is.95000:54:25.480 --> 00:54:29.320



It's amazing. Yeah, all right, Karen, this has been wonderful.95100:54:29.360 --> 00:54:31.480



If someone wanted to a listen to your show or95200:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.920



be reach out to you to have a deeper conversation95300:54:35.000 --> 00:54:36.800



with you, what's the best way for someone to reach.95400:54:36.599 --> 00:54:40.280



Out, Well, you can go on my the podcast website95500:54:40.320 --> 00:54:42.039



is Soul Elevation Podcast.95600:54:42.119 --> 00:54:43.280



You can reach me through there.95700:54:43.320 --> 00:54:47.119



And I have another website that is karagodwind dot com.95800:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.760



I spelled Kara with a K and I'm on Instagram95900:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.159



is kind of the the one that I'm on the most.96000:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.119



That's Kara Underscore, Goodwin Underscore Meditation.96100:54:56.920 --> 00:54:59.400



Okay, we're going to add direct links to all that96200:54:59.440 --> 00:55:00.880



in our show. So if you didn't have a pen96300:55:00.920 --> 00:55:02.519



at that particular point in time, you still want to96400:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.639



connect with Caroen, just go to the Skeptic Imposition dot96500:55:04.679 --> 00:55:06.320



com go to her episode page. You'll see all those96600:55:06.360 --> 00:55:32.360



links laid into directly, so it's easy to say, hey, Kara.96700:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.800



We were all waiting, Hey Kara, Yeah, no, that was it, Karen,96800:55:24.880 --> 00:55:25.400



that's it.96900:55:25.480 --> 00:55:28.400



That's it, Just like quick, all right, is there anything97000:55:28.400 --> 00:55:29.880



that we haven't talked about? You want to make sure97100:55:29.920 --> 00:55:33.360



that the audience definitely gets from a takeaway from our conversation.97200:55:33.639 --> 00:55:36.199



I think I would just read I love to reiterate97300:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.760



where we kind of left things when you asked about97400:55:38.840 --> 00:55:42.119



if my Spirit Team had a podcast, and the focus97500:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.159



would be you have assistance on the other side, And97600:55:45.199 --> 00:55:48.199



I think that we It can be really tricky because97700:55:48.280 --> 00:55:52.519



there is so much invisible happening that's influencing us that97800:55:52.599 --> 00:55:57.960



we can tap into and let those beneficial helpers really97900:55:58.599 --> 00:56:03.159



connect with us. And everybody can do that, and it98000:56:03.199 --> 00:56:10.159



does take some subtle perception. You know, there are some98100:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.400



things that you can do to help to be able98200:56:13.440 --> 00:56:16.760



to perceive those subtle energies better. But even if you98300:56:16.840 --> 00:56:21.800



can't perceive them. It starts with trust, it starts with faith,98400:56:21.880 --> 00:56:25.119



and so I would just encourage everybody to know that98500:56:25.199 --> 00:56:30.480



you can strengthen that and then play with that and98600:56:30.679 --> 00:56:34.840



let your team in on this physical experience.98700:56:36.519 --> 00:56:39.480



Beautifully said, that's a perfect way to end the show. Kara,98800:56:39.519 --> 00:56:41.119



thank you so much for coming on the show. It's98900:56:41.119 --> 00:56:43.239



been a pleasure getting to know you. I know we'll99000:56:43.280 --> 00:56:47.760



be in Touched much much longer and I look forward99100:56:47.800 --> 00:56:49.440



to listening to more of the shows.99200:56:49.559 --> 00:56:51.519



Likewise, thank you, thank you.