Authentic Awakening: How to Find Your True Soul Purpose Without Quitting Your Job
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Is your spiritual awakening making you question… everything? From quitting your 9-to-5 to selling crystals on Etsy, it’s easy to wonder what “living your purpose” even means. But what if you didn’t need to burn your life down to wake up? What if spiritual awakening could look a lot more grounded?
 
This week, we’re diving deep with Kara Goodwin, host of the Soul Elevation Podcast, meditation guide, energy healer, and author of Your Authentic Awakening: A Guide to Everyday Spiritual Living. Kara joins us for a hilariously real and mind-expanding convo that’s one part TED Talk, one part ayahuasca ceremony, and all parts truth serum for your soul.
 
Whether you’re a spiritual newbie or a seasoned seeker secretly side-eyeing your job as a spiritual imposter, this episode is your permission slip to stop faking alignment and start living it, without needing to join a cult or relocate to a Peruvian jungle.

What You’ll Discover in This Episode:
✅ What “living your purpose” really means; spoiler: it’s not always about quitting your job or becoming a guru.
✅ The truth about spiritual awakenings: how to know if you’re in one and why your life might be crumbling (on purpose).
✅ How Kara’s personal tragedies cracked her wide open and sparked an authentic, life-changing spiritual journey.
✅ Plant medicine: sacred tool or spiritual bandwagon? Kara shares insights from her mushroom experiences and the dream that told her to walk away.
✅ The danger of spiritual dogma, even in “non-dogmatic” communities, and how to avoid becoming a cosmic copy-paste.
✅ How to stay in your life without losing your awakening (yes, you can have a family, a job and a foot in the fifth dimension).
✅ Why authenticity is the new enlightenment, and how to sniff it out (literally). 

Also in This Episode:
- Kara’s psychedelic experiences (including a psychic connection to mushroom chocolate before even eating it!) 
  • Why some of her most powerful visions happen with just CBD, meditation, and a hypnagogic state
  • Her honest take on energy healing, spiritual fads, and “awakening guilt”
  • The subtle art of knowing when your guides are whispering… and how not to mistake them for imagination
  • What Kara’s spirit guides would name their own podcast, and what the first episode would cover 
Who Should Listen?
📍 Seekers questioning their current path, but unsure what “authentic” really means
📍 Listeners curious about plant medicine, but wary of the hype and hustle
📍 Anyone experiencing the cosmic identity crisis of spiritual awakening
📍 People wanting to elevate their lives without ditching their earthly responsibilities
📍 Listeners tired of spiritual gatekeeping and thirsty for grounded, empowering wisdom

Connect with Kara Goodwin
Listen to her podcast: Soul Elevation Podcast
Get her book: Your Authentic Awakening – now available everywhere books are sold
Explore her world: karagoodwin.com
Follow her on Instagram: @karagoodwinmeditation

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Karen. Yes, if I asked you right now, right the second,

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the second, if you feel you are truly living your purpose,

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would you have a solid answer.

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I would have a solid answer, really yes.

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And the answer would be no. Okay, well you're in

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luckdown because today's guest has cracked the cosmic code on

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authentic awakening. Now, let's just say it's not about quitting

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your job to sell crystals on Etsy. Okay, I mean,

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unless it is.

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That's a computer.

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Right Today, we're diving deep into the sacred, the psychedelic,

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and the seriously strange, from the transformative power of plant

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medicine to dodging the spiritual equivalent of a multi level

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marketing scheme or cults. Oh, we're covering it all. So

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if this starts to feel like an ayahuasca ceremony crossed

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with a ted talk, don't say any or you, Karen,

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don't panic. But this just might be the episode where

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you find out what your soul's purpose actually is, or

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at least how to stop pretending you already know it.

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The skeptic reposition starts. Now. My name is Will and

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I'm Karen, and unlike Mulder and Scully, both want to

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believe so we've embarked in a journey of discovery.

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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and

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metaphysical world.

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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even

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joined a coven.

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Of witches and wait, you joined a coven yep.

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All in the interest of finding something, anything, that will

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prove that there's something beyond this physical.

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Three dimensional world we all live in.

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This is the skeptic metaphysicians. Hey, can I tell you

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about something I wish someone had told me about sooner.

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It's called the Spiritual Investor Club, and honestly, it's kind

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of like the best kept secret in the align the

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abundance world. It's run by Elizabeth Ralph. You know, she

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was on our shope not long ago, known as a

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spiritual investor. She used to be at this high level

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finance executive and now well now she teaches people how

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to grow their money by sinking it with their frequency.

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No hustle, no spreadsheets, just alignment. Inside the club, she

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shares stock picks, energy upgrades, mindset rewires, all the stuff

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they never taught me or us, maybe about how money

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actually works when you're awake the best part. It's not

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just theory, it's real tools, real energy shifts, and a

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community that gets it. So have you been feeling like

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your financial reality is stuck in the wrong paradigm? This

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just might be your invitation out of there. I'll drop

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the Lincoln the show notes to go peek inside. Just

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just don't tell everyone, Okay, uh ohm, I kidding, share

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the wealth, tell everybody. Let's get everybody aligned with abundance.

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I'll drop the Lincoln show notes. I invite you to

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go peek in size and see what you think. This

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is what it's all about. Guys, So hey, join me

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there because Karen and I were already there. Hey, there

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on Will and I'm welcome back to an episode of

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the Scutting Musicians that is not to be missed. We

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are fortunate to have a guest here to help us

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answer one of life's biggest questions. Biggest question, the question

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is am I truly living my purpose now? Karen Goodwin

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is the host of the Soul Elevation podcast, a skilled

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energy healer and a meditation guide whose work bridges the

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worlds of ascension, spiritual awakening, energy healing, and even extraterrestrial connections.

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She's also the author of Your Authentic Awakening, a guide

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to everyday spiritual living, a powerful guide book for anyone

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ready to ditch spiritual imposter syndrome and start living a

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deeply aligned, authentic life. And whether she's guiding people through

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transformative practices or explore in the mysteries of consciousness, Kara's

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mission is clear. She's here to help us elevate our

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souls in align with our highest potential. I am thrilled

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to welcome Kara Goodwin to the show. Kara, Nice to

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see you today again.

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Hello, Thank you so much for having me. We had

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so much fun when you were on Soul Elevation, and

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I'm so excited to join you here on your platform.

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Right, We've got a lot to dive into because we

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covered a lot in your show, but now we want

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to cover the real good stuff on our show.

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And we cover.

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Karen's story still like stays with me about waking up

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and having all the guidance and yeah, we've covered some

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great ground we did.

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Soul Relations, we definitely recommend you do that and we'll

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send our links so you can hear it. But in

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the meantime, now we are here to answer the biggest

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questions of the all right, the life's purpose. So let's

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just start that big What does it actually mean to

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have a true soul purpose? Like is it to sell

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crystals on that sy.

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varies from person to person, But a lot of times

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what I find when we're going through a spiritual awakening

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is that we feel that our life has to change

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one hundred and eighty degrees, and to some extent it

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does because our whole perspective changes. You know, when we

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start waking up out of the surfacetal mainstream what we've

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been sold and what most people in this change us.

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world to be different, you know, just by the very

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virtue of your perspective changing, because you're the one that's

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living through your perspective.

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then suddenly you're like, wait a minute, there's a whole

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other way to look at everything.

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It's very eye opening.

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But a lot of times people think that then that

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means okay, now I have like my three D job

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is no longer relevant. I need to go and shift

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what I'm doing. I need to be a healer, or.

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I love that, and thank God that there are people

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selling crystals on Etsy. I'm very grateful for that, definitely.

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their purpose, and which I totally get because we spend

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a lot of our time on our work, right, so

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it can be very tempting to say, like I'm just

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going to ditch the whole thing, but our purpose is

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not necessarily how we make money. And I think that's

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a big, a big shift for people where I love

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when I see people who are working in you know,

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they've had a full on spiritual awakening and there's still

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a mail carrier for now, you know, there's still I

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had a guest on who jokes because now he's a

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psychic medium and he is doing that full time, but

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for a long time he was a mail carrier and

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he says, I was delivering messages. I was delivering messages

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like during the day and spirit messages at night.

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You know, couldn't he was kind of had a foot

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in both worlds.

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But yeah, but it really is this, this ability to

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walk with a foot in each world. And I think

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that there is great opportunity there because if everybody who

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had a spiritual awakening then turn their back on mainstream society,

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turn their back on working an office job, for example.

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Where would we be?

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Like we I feel that there is a community of souls,

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a big community of souls who is here on the

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planet right now, and we're scattered. You know, we've incarnated

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together over multiple lifetimes. We are mission driven in terms

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of raising the consciousness, but we're intentionally not all in

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one community, in one space, in one location, sequestered off

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so that we can live here on earth in the

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way that we want to. And it's such a delicate

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balance because it is our lives. So if we're stuck

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in a job, in a relationship and with friends, that

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and no, and we can't see a reflection of how

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we feel in anybody, that is a hard place to be.

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So it's not saying say stuck, stay sucked. It's not

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because it's too hard to say.

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That's why.

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So I'm not saying stay stuck because you you know,

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you have to be in service in this way, and

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you have to be miserable because that's your mission.

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It's not that at all.

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You know. We continuously use our circumstances to feel our way,

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navigate our way through life. And it may be that

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we it's most appropriate for us at this juncture in

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our life path to have more of a mainstream job.

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But that doesn't mean that we don't keep nurturing that

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spiritual awakening. We don't keep there's there are so many

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resources out there right now, and we have the Internet

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which gives us, you know, access to that spiritual nourishment

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really easily. You know, I mean, think of how many

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episodes you guys have of the metaphysic. There are a

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lot of words I can't say right now, A skeptical,

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a physician, and people can be accessing that in their

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free time and it is helping them to shift and

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it's helping them to nurture that awakening. But it doesn't

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necessarily mean that they have to turn their back on

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their whole lives. And another you know, saying that, I

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think people another place where people get stuck is, you know,

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they they may be a certain amount of the way

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through their lives where they have a family, they have

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a spouse, they have children, and they may feel like, wait,

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I'm the only one who's awakened in my house and

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feel like they you know, I mean there are people

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who do then run off to a cave and or

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you know, go and leave their family and go and

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join a group. And I would just really really encourage

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anybody who's feeling like that you deeply consider three hundred

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and sixty degree ramifications of that, because while that may

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feel like it's going to create wholeness in some part

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of us, if we think about your life's purpose, your

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karmaic ties, the trauma that you create, the waves of

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trauma that you create through abandonment, we want to see

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a complete picture and really really be sure when we're

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stepping away from something that we have participated in creating

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that would have deeply traumatic impacts on people. Right.

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And I do like how you say stress the importance

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of it. You don't have to quit your job or

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your one life, because I think that's a big fear

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that a lot of people have. If they start to

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they're starting to wake up it, they're starting to see

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and understand different things, they feel like, well, I have

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to leave this and become this other type of person.

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But that's not the case. We're all supposed to wake

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up who it's like, to amplify who we are. And

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part of you know, your job might be providing for

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your family or you know, teaching children or whatever. So

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I do think it's important to know that you don't

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have It doesn't have to be one.

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Or the other.

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Fact.

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Well, in an argument could possibly be made for staying

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in place so that your example will help awaken others

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in that space that would not have had that example

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had you decide to remove yourself from the situation.

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Absolutely, And now that there are more resources like our

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podcasts or you know, just go online, you'll see that

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it's not just the you know, crazy old lady that

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lives with all the cats down the street. It's the

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doctor and the account and the lawyer and the pharmacist

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and the stay at home mom, Like everybody is starting

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to have these awakenings. And I think the internet, you know,

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that's good, good and bad. But I think one of

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the good things is that you can find other people

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in that situation. You can be connected so you don't

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feel so isolated, which awakenings can often leave.

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cats is crazy.

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Now we just say a bigger house and a dog

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that wouldn't eat them.

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All Right, So that's beautifully said. That that's a lesson

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that a lot of people really need to organically ingest

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inside themselves because there is a big push towards picking

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up and going somewhere. Now there there is sometimes an

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occasion when a spiritual awakening happens that is so debilitating

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because it is so impactful in so many ways that

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someone might be might find it necessary to take some

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time for themselves to find a way through. But there

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are people there that can help with that and when

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it comes down to it. So but now your book

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you talk about your book is called Your Authentic Awakening, right,

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and you talk a lot about the importance of authenticity.

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Can you tell why is it so important to be

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really authentic when you're going through things like this?

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and in one of the ways is something that you

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touched on in the beginning, which is kind of following

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in the footsteps of others or spiritual organizations where we

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you know, and this was part of my path was

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even so I do have more of a culty experience,

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and then I have the sort of spiritual organization that

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particularly as a cult. It was definitely alternative kind of spirituality,

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but it wasn't I wouldn't say that it was like

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particularly culty, but it did have a guru.

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learn how to meditate and get my feet in terms

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of spirituality that wasn't wrapped up in religion. And they

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I remember so many times them talking about how this

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path was without dogma. That was a problem with religion.

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in this path. And yet each step I took, I

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was sort of like, there's so much dogma here. And

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it really one example of that that really was is

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crystallized in my mind with it was I had discovered

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the enneagram. Are you familiar with the enneagram? You know,

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kind of a personality assessment sort of thing, And I

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had heard about it, and I asked one of the

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elders in this organization if he had heard of the

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enneagram and if he thought it was useful, and you know,

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at this time, I was really like very conscientious of

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is this going to take me off my path type

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of thing, right, And he said, well, Master didn't teach

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about the enneagram, so why would I pursue that, and

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and just shut me down, like you know, with that

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with just a like don't even look at that, just

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keep your blinders on, because we're only going to be

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focused on the things that the Guru talked about. And

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the Guru died one hundred and no not one hundred

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and died in nineteen fifty two, so they were keeping

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his lineage alive through the talks that he gave, you know,

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one hundred years ago and between you know, seventy and

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one hundred years ago, and so it was it was dogmatic,

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you know, it was like, well, I'm only going to

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put energy and value into things that have that are

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part of this path, and I'm not going to explore

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anything else.

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Great, big, wide universe with and so much has come

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about since you know, even in this century, much less

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the latter half of the last century that they're just disregarding.

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I left that group was there really wasn't a lot

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of room for growth. It was just this rehashing and

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rehashing and rehashing of the same material and looking at

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it from new ways. Of course, you know, this thing

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popped up in my life, this new experience. Now, how

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do I apply this to things that this master had

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said in their teachings? And there is value in that,

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felt like I was in this tight spiral of like

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looping and looping and looping, and it was like, but

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I think the Aneagram's fascinating. I want to know more

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about myself from that angle. And what about reiki, which

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wasn't around when he was alive, and you know, I

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want to explore that, and I want to explore he

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never talked to out aliens.

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Maybe I want to learn about aliens.

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You know, all of these pieces of my spiritual path

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now because I let go of trying to fit into

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somebody else's box of saying this is how you awaken

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and this is what is valuable and not valuable, and

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so that is one of the ways that I see

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the importance of authenticity is we all have like a

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soul signature or a soul blueprint, however you want to

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think about it, a soul frequency, and it's unique to us,

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and it is we have it based on our experiences

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before this life and this life that we've been living

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all these years has also colored our soul, and our

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soul has colored it. But when we enable ourselves and

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give ourselves the freedom to say what brings me joy,

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what brings me excitement, what interests me, and follow that,

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that is really what's going to help us to keep

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finding what is relevant to us and to keep growing

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rather than to always be you know, looking around at Okay, well,

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that person seems further along than me. So what courses

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have they taken, what courses are they offering, what are

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you know, what methods do they use? And you there

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is some of that that is still valid because we

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are all helping each other. We're we are walking each

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other home. That beautiful expression that was it rohmdaus or us? Yeah,

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we are. We are doing this together as a community,

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and we are offering you know, a hand back to

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the people who want to come forward, and we are

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accepting the hands of those who can help to lift

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us up also, and we have these unique expressions of

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who we are, and we will find so much purpose

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and joy in our lives when we take the cues

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of what lights that spark within us, and that helps

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us to express ourselves as that true soul.

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Yeah, we talk about it all the time on the show.

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How I mean our fingerprints are uniquely ours. How can

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we expect everyone's path to be uniquely the same, right

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or the same when we strongly believe that our spiritual

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paths are very independently different and unique to each person.

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It's sometimes people need those I don't want to say

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crutch because it's not really crutch, but those aids where

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there's a structure and you follow the structure, you have

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a roadmap to where you need to go. However, there

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are those, and I would say maybe it allows more

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of a I don't want to say the wrong thing

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because I don't want to offend anybody, but sometimes people

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need those road maps, and sometimes you need to go

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off the beaten path in order to find your own path,

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and you chunk a bunch of things together and that

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makes who you are. There was a time when I

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was in meditation felt this message come through that united

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all these different things like the astrology, numerology and your gams,

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all these kinds of things, human design, all these kinds

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of things that were imprinted on us the minute we

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were born, because we were meant to say, here's all

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the different dimensions of you. Pick which one makes sense

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so that you can understand yourself, and that's how we

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move that thing forward. So that's a kind of New

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Reality TV. The al reason we're doing New Reality to

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be that we're doing right.

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someone else. I think the good thing about the structured spirituality,

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whether you want to call it religion or a cult,

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because the cult doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing.

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I would pause the that religion might be a cult itself.

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Actually that's one the first thing they teaches an anthropology.

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People have get offended by that. So it's just basically

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everyone having a same belief system and following a certain

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set of practices. But I think for a lot of

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people can be a good starting point. Sometimes you don't

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know what you need until you're in a situation where

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you're getting what you don't need, right, and it can

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be like, oh well, in theory, this sounds interesting, but

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it is not resonating, so I'm going to look for

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something else or it can help. I mean, there are

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some really wonderful people that are just true believers of

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whatever spiritual body or organization that they're with, So I

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think there could be good and bad for both.

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Problem is so often in any sort of organized spiritual system,

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whether it's religion or a traditional cult, hm you want

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to call it, that there are often those players that

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like having that power, They're like feeling important, and that

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becomes that becomes their driving force. And we've seen how

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that's happened in the cap religion and other organized religions.

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Yeah, I feel so attacked right now, but okay, I'll

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forward just kidding. I'm just kidding. So we all agree

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of one thing, and that is that spiritual awakening is

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really an individual thing. It doesn't. You know, whatever tool

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you need or you find that residents will use the

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way that you should go. However, there are those out

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there who are just starting on the path who may

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think Is this a spiritual awakening? Is it not?

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What kind of signs, What kind of signs would you

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say someone should look for to identify whether or not

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they are perhaps going through with spiritual awakening.

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What a great question, and you know it is. It's

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another one of those such an individual thing. Classic spiritual

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awakening is like is your life falling apart right now?

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Or has your life recently fallen apart? I know that

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was the awakening path for me where I had you know,

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I was very sure about a lot of things. I

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was kind of just riding the surface of life and

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enjoying myself, and then I just had tragedy after tragedy

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after tragedy of people that I'm very close to, whether

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that was them dying, having heart transplant, being hit by

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a motorbike when they crossed the street, having surgery on

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their brain stem, being diagnosed with a brain tumor, all

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of that happening within like seven months. And these are

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people that I'm very very close with, like family. So

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for me, I just got into like this whirlwind of

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tragedy where I just couldn't recognize my life anymore and

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I felt like I needed I needed like it felt

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like I needed to hold on to something because I

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felt like I was just and around in the wind,

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and it was like what's going to be next? You know,

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you start to get in this like trauma cycle of

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like I don't want to answer my phone because that's

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like people will text you unless it's really bad news,

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and then they you know, they want to call you,

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and I you know, it almost became a joke of like, well,

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I don't want to answer that because it's my dad

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and he's calling, and and then it would be like

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and then it would literally like I'd answer the phone

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and I'd be waiting for the bad news, and then

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I would get terrible news. You know.

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It's like you know, waiting for the other shoe to

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drop and realizing your centipede.

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Yes, I love that.

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So a lot of times that is what kicks starts

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somebody's spiritual awakening, and it is I think from like

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a spiritual perspective, you know, at least speaking in my case,

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I feel like the time was really right. I came

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here to experience a certain a certain way of living

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life and looking at life and radiating myself, and I

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wasn't doing that on my own, and so it does.

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Looking back, it does feel like it was very purposeful

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for all of those things to happen in such a

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concentrated time where I just felt like because I just

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wasn't getting I can see now there were little clues

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of like trying to get me to, you know, have

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the space to be able to experience myself in a

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more spiritual way, and I was like just distracting myself.

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But you know, it also can just be that you're

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becoming interested in these things, you know, and there is

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something called synchronicity, and I know that you guys are

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very familiar with synchronicity. But when you start to feel

454
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:58.039
like the universe is talking to you and maybe you're

455
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:01.519
hearing over and over similar concepts that are new to you.

456
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:06.720
So let's just say, you know everything is energy, and

457
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.039
somebody starts talking about how everything is energy and you've

458
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:12.759
never really thought about that before, but it does make sense,

459
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:16.960
and wow, if that's true, then what does that mean?

460
00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:20.880
Like I've been limiting myself because I've been experiencing everything

461
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:22.359
as like either solid.

462
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:22.839
Liquid or gas.

463
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.519
But if it is true that everything is energy, then

464
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.960
how does that change my limitations? And what is possible

465
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.880
that I have believed is impossible, and maybe then you're

466
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:38.200
just everywhere you turn, it feels like people are talking

467
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:42.559
about how everything is energy, and it's like just getting

468
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:47.319
you thinking more and more about reality in a different way.

469
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:51.079
And that's just one example, but there may be different

470
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:54.839
ways that the universe starts to talk to you, to say, like,

471
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.880
here is a new way of looking at things. Here,

472
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:04.160
here are some glimpses into what reality really is under

473
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.480
the surface of what we've been fed. So I think,

474
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.720
I mean, those are just a couple of different ways,

475
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:13.200
but they're and for some people it's just this. They've

476
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:17.079
just felt this their whole lives. But they've gone along

477
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.359
with the mainstream and they've gone along with what they've

478
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.720
been taught. I mean, one of the things I talk

479
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:25.240
about in the book is like how we've been conditioned

480
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:28.680
and we've been programmed, and it's been you know, society

481
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:32.359
does it just by virtue of being in society. Schooling

482
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.799
does it. By virtue of being in school. We're being

483
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:39.960
molded and programmed, and our family does it, and the

484
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:43.160
media does it, you know, And I mean, you guys,

485
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:48.400
thank goodness, you're creating like this, you know, true platform

486
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:53.720
where people can explore a different view of reality so

487
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.240
that you know, we can have an alternative to what

488
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:01.240
the mainstream is telling us is true. But all of

489
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.519
these ways are ways that we've been programmed. But there

490
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:05.880
are a lot of people who from the time that

491
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:09.400
they've been born something has felt not right, but they've

492
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.799
just been going along with it because nobody else is

493
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:13.720
talking about things in a different way.

494
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.039
And then that.

495
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.039
Starts to get stronger and stronger when the time is right.

496
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:21.319
You know, we can never force the roads to bloom,

497
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.799
but once it's ready, there's so many different ways that

498
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:25.960
it can express.

499
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.200
So what I'm hearing you say in the crux of

500
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:29.960
it all is just pay attention.

501
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:31.880
Yeah, pay attention.

502
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:33.079
Things can be tricky.

503
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.039
Yeah, oh yeah, I know it's very real.

504
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.039
Well until it breaks your leg in Europe.

505
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.359
Right, which which may or may not have happened, actually,

506
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.759
but I always say the universe starts with a whisper

507
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:46.680
in the wind and ends with a two by four

508
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:51.240
to the head, yes, or the ank right. Well, something

509
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:54.079
that people are turning to more and more to do

510
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.799
a spiritual weakening is plant medicine. And I know that

511
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:00.240
you have some experience with this, so how can you

512
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.880
How can someone know for sure whether or not plant

513
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.799
medicine is something that they should turn to to look

514
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.759
at their spiritual weakening process or if it's just the

515
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.400
fad that's that's going around now, how does someone discern

516
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:14.119
between those two?

517
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.920
That is such a great question, and it's it's two

518
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:18.519
in a row. Yes, good job.

519
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:21.200
We need to take a quick pause, but we'll be

520
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:25.680
right back right after these messages. Hey there, We hope

521
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.279
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522
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.759
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529
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.839
Some people do like they might.

530
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.839
I know of people who just kind of they get

531
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.400
curious about something like bufo or mushroom.

532
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:01.799
Looking up frog. I just can't imagine that.

533
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.359
But I don't think you have to. I think you can.

534
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.279
I don't know if they smoke it. I mean, but

535
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.359
I don't think. I don't well, I don't know that.

536
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.319
Big rolling paper there.

537
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.480
I think I was assuming that they did. There was

538
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:26.920
no actual live frog involved. But now you've got my questioning.

539
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.599
Welcome to metemusicians.

540
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:30.960
Oh my god.

541
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:31.759
Yeah.

542
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.759
No. I know people, for instance, who have done like

543
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:42.240
very hardcore like psychedelic experiences and they did it more

544
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.359
from for lack of a better term, for a party reason,

545
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:47.359
you know, like they were just they just wanted to

546
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.119
experience like an alternate consciousness, but more in a party sense,

547
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:55.160
and then just had their whole world rocked where they're like, oh,

548
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.240
I've got to sell all these things that I thought

549
00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.599
were important, but I don't care about that stuff anymore.

550
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.400
And it's a silly that's a silly thing that I'm

551
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:07.599
letting go. And so it really kind of unexpectedly had

552
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.160
an awakening impact on them. And then there are a

553
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.799
lot of people who are, you know, going to South America,

554
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.480
going to Central America having ayahuasca ceremonies. I don't personally

555
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:24.960
have experience with ayahuasca. I do know that it is

556
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:32.079
so many people have really beautiful, valid awakening experiences where

557
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:36.799
they're just experiencing reality in a different way. They're seeing

558
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:41.319
into the matrix, they're experiencing, you know, spirits that are

559
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.039
coming to them and talking to them. But it's tricky

560
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.839
territory for many reasons. You know, one just being you're very,

561
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:54.359
very vulnerable in that state, and so you know you're

562
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:55.839
going to a foreign country.

563
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.319
You don't know the shamans.

564
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.359
The shamans are why to you know, there are a

565
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:04.400
lot of people performing this who aren't actually shamans. And

566
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:08.599
you're not only vulnerable in just your physical but it's

567
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:12.839
an energetic experience and if and there are people who

568
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:18.720
know how to manipulate energy for their you know, which

569
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.839
is for their gain and for your loss. So that

570
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.880
is just something to definitely be aware of. I wouldn't

571
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.039
I wouldn't go out and listen to stories of ayahuasca

572
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.359
and just take them at face value and think like, yes,

573
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.559
this is the path I'm one day into my spiritual awakening,

574
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.640
and this is step two. You know this is going

575
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.400
to be my day too. You know, you really want

576
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:44.599
to be mindful and cautious, but it can be a

577
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:51.200
great tool. Now I personally have experience with mushrooms sometimes

578
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:56.079
and I've had some beautiful experiences with that. But what's

579
00:33:56.160 --> 00:34:00.599
interesting because I am going through my own sort of

580
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:05.559
personal change with regards if we want to call it

581
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.920
plant medicine. So I live in Indiana, and you can't

582
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:13.000
get THHC. It's not illegal, like you can't even get it.

583
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.320
I don't think you can even get it for like medical,

584
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.760
but you can get CBD, and so I have had

585
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.320
experiences where I've taken some CBD at night, but it

586
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.199
does have TCHC in it. So this is where I

587
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:31.119
get confused because I'm like, well, it says there's TC anyway.

588
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.880
So that's why I'm only saying that because of the

589
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.639
plant part. Like I consider it plant medicine even though

590
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:40.079
I'm taking like a.

591
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:41.159
Gummy or something.

592
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.559
But I don't know if it's because I have had

593
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:48.320
a couple of experiences with mushrooms that really opened up

594
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:52.159
my psychic perception in terms of being able to see

595
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.559
like very psychedelic. I mean, it's a very psychedelic experience.

596
00:34:58.000 --> 00:34:59.920
But there are plenty of times where I have had

597
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.599
had CBD and then in that space like between wakefulness

598
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.920
and sleep called the hypnagogic state, I have had very

599
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:14.519
psychedelic experiences, but without psychedelics. One time it actually happened.

600
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.719
I had somebody had given me like a bar of

601
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:22.960
mushroom chocolate, and I had it in my bedside table

602
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:27.079
drawer and I hadn't taken any of it, but I

603
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.840
started having psychedelic experiences just by having it, just because

604
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:33.079
it was in my field, like it was it was

605
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.159
near by, like it was very close to my body.

606
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.199
But I hadn't actually ingested any of it. And I

607
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.519
was like, why am I this is so powerful?

608
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:42.440
Why am I seeing this? And I was like, I've

609
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:43.800
got those chocolates.

610
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.559
Right there, and we only just found out that there

611
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.440
is such a thing as mushroom chocolate. So yeah, that's

612
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:51.880
an interesting thing.

613
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:56.920
So how can you discern, like if someone is going

614
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.280
to an Ayahuascar retreat and they've done all their research

615
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.760
and this is a good one, how can you tell

616
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:06.800
if what you're going through is actually a spiritual situation

617
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.760
or you're not just tripping on the drugs.

618
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.000
I mean, is it exclusive for each other?

619
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:13.719
It can be I a thing.

620
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:14.599
I don't know.

621
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:16.960
Yeah, it's that's a great question.

622
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.119
And you know, I mean this, I think that that's

623
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:25.119
a bigger question about how do you discern spiritual experiences

624
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:31.519
from you know, generally, like if you're experiencing something in meditation,

625
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.119
you know, how can we how can we be sure

626
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:39.840
this goes to the imagination versus the true experience.

627
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.760
And that was a that was.

628
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.519
A line for me for a long time where it

629
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.400
was like is this my imagination? And not necessarily again,

630
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.519
like not necessarily with ayahuasca or with plants or anything,

631
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.599
but just even in meditation or in a dream, like

632
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.360
I would have a dream and I would feel like, God,

633
00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.719
that was so real, and I was with this person

634
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.079
who passed away, and you know, they gave me a

635
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.800
hug and I felt them like I could feel them

636
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.320
when I was hugging them. They felt solid. And yet

637
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.519
I was dreaming was it a dream? Or was it

638
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:10.960
like a special dream? You know?

639
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:12.639
And it was an either or.

640
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.519
And that's something that through my spiritual awakening, I've softened

641
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:21.880
that either or where it's like the imagination in our

642
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:26.840
perception is so powerful and when we try to say

643
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.000
like is it this or this? Was it real or

644
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.760
was it my imagination? It's like, well, what is your imagination?

645
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:38.679
You know, your imagination is real and it is connecting you.

646
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.840
But what I was doing was shutting off these things

647
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:48.800
that could have been really great experiences because I was like, hm,

648
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.320
I think it was just my imagination. And then you know,

649
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:56.320
it's like, it's taken me some time to like soften that,

650
00:37:56.679 --> 00:38:00.159
like just the imagination and be like, what is my

651
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:01.360
imagination leading me to?

652
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:06.519
And we have a propensity to try to explain away everything, right,

653
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.800
so it's just my imagination, so that that's our that's

654
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.199
our knee jerk. We go to that automatically. But the

655
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:13.159
more that you start, we talk about all the time,

656
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:17.320
the more you suspend your disbelief and you allow magic

657
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:21.679
to happen, you open yourself up for more magic to happen,

658
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.960
and then more synchronicities happen, and more coincidences that we

659
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:29.760
call little miracles, right, Karen called them little miracles. And

660
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:33.239
if you don't, I don't. I no longer I used

661
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:37.440
to always say, oh, there's there's gotta be valid explanation

662
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:39.599
for this and find the scientific way to explain it.

663
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:44.039
I don't do that anymore because I now just enjoy

664
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:46.360
the magic that's thanks to her.

665
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:49.400
Yeah, it's like it'sycling to a magic show.

666
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:50.119
You know, it's so cool.

667
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:51.400
Then you find out how they did it, and it

668
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.679
just it's not fat impressive anymore.

669
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:56.960
In fact, there's this thing that happens when I meditate.

670
00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:58.360
Now it used to happen to Karen. I don't know

671
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.159
it still doesn't know. But I'm seeing these colors like

672
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.400
I'm seeing purple yea, and so everything inside me is going, Okay,

673
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:06.840
I need to I need to research what are these

674
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.559
colors that I'm seeing in my head like, and I've

675
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:11.280
scientifically explained them, but I stop myself from doing it

676
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.440
because I don't want to know. Yeah, I'm enjoying the experience.

677
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.000
I'm allowing I'm allowing my mind to think whatever I

678
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:18.599
want to think about it and just going with it.

679
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:20.800
And it was it's still it's beautiful. It's really fun

680
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:21.800
to have that.

681
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:22.480
Yeah.

682
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:27.360
Well, and kind of bringing it around to Karen's Karen's

683
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.239
thoughts about like, well, how do you know if this

684
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:33.079
is real or not? And this is kind of where

685
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:37.159
that evolution is happening for me with the CBD, because

686
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:42.679
it's so much easier for me to have these experiences,

687
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:47.039
these metaphysical experiences at night. I don't know if it's

688
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.039
just that it's helping me to stay in that in

689
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.559
between space because I don't fall asleep as quickly, and

690
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.159
or if it's actually helping my focus in terms of

691
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.400
there's you know, you know how you focus your eye,

692
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.199
and you depending on the distance of what you're looking at,

693
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.920
your focus changes well in your inner site that is

694
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.920
also happening, So it's it's very similar to.

695
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.039
How your eyes focus, but there's.

696
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:18.440
It's like the chaos and noise of the static that

697
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:22.039
you see behind closed eyes. When I start to have

698
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.639
these experiences, it starts to organize and there starts to

699
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.960
be structure in the chaos, and then I start seeing

700
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:35.079
these energy patterns and these and I'll get insights downloads.

701
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:40.480
Usually I'm not seeing like form. I'm not seeing people

702
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:46.079
or landscapes. Usually it's energy patterns and they're moving and changing.

703
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.280
And depending on how I focus that inner focus depends

704
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.480
on what I see. You know, I might see space.

705
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.119
I might see just like it's like I'm in space.

706
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:57.400
I might see it more like I'm in a dome

707
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:04.760
and I'm seeing column very like moss slash cathedral like

708
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:09.440
senses at different times, lots of seeing liketeroidal fields from

709
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.840
the side and it's moving, which also has it like

710
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:18.280
psychedelic tree look to it also. So it's been one

711
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.920
of those things because I enjoy those experiences so much.

712
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.679
It was like, oh, well, CBD helps me to be

713
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:29.360
able to experience these more. And then I guess it

714
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.599
was like two months ago. Now, maybe I had a

715
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.239
really strong dream, and I won't go into the ins

716
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.679
and outs of it, but essentially I got to this

717
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:44.199
gatekeeper and in the dream, and I was looking for

718
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:48.159
my passport and I only had expired passports and I

719
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:49.280
couldn't find.

720
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.119
And this guy was like so nice, it was such

721
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:52.599
a such a great guy.

722
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:56.280
And I was looking through my backpack and I found

723
00:41:56.360 --> 00:42:01.480
all these gummies, these red gummies, and I just I

724
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:04.360
had to like two handfuls of them, and I said,

725
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:05.719
do you have like a bin?

726
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:06.960
Can I put these in your bin?

727
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:11.199
And he like handed me this bucket and I put

728
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.320
the gummies in the bucket and then I kept looking

729
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.679
looking looking, and there were a lot of different There

730
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:17.880
were a lot of symbols in this dream. So it

731
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:19.400
took me a while. And actually, I don't know if

732
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.280
you've ever heard of Robert Moss.

733
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:23.719
I have heard the name. I'm not sure if I'm

734
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:24.719
not very familiar with them.

735
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.960
So he is like this dream shaman.

736
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.159
He's been around for a long time and he's but

737
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.599
he's very He's written a ton of books. And I

738
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.440
actually interviewed him right after this dream. So we used

739
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:42.440
the dream to kind of unpack all of this and

740
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:44.719
and so, but I it had been heavy on my

741
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:48.519
mind and I kept thinking, are the fact that I

742
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:49.920
threw these gummies away?

743
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:55.960
Am I being invited to throw away the CBD? And

744
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.239
And that was how I ended up taking that.

745
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.440
As soon as I had the dream, I stopped and

746
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.000
I was doing I was having it like maybe twice

747
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.320
a week or so, because the downside, I can't remember

748
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:11.280
my dreams when I take it very easily, and so

749
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:13.559
I was like, well, I like to remember my dreams.

750
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:15.519
I like to feel that I'm engaging with my dreams.

751
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.920
And so anyway, all of that to say that I

752
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.320
felt that the dream was inviting me not to do

753
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:22.199
that anymore.

754
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:24.639
And so it's been interesting to.

755
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.840
See what I can quote unquote what I can do

756
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:33.360
when I don't have that aid and I am having

757
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:38.519
experiences where I am still seeing those things.

758
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.320
It is a little bit harder for me but.

759
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.639
I am like, oh my god, I am doing it

760
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.239
without the AID and so but I do feel so

761
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:52.519
much that it served, you know, it helped me to carve.

762
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:54.920
What I feel like is happening is that I've carved

763
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.199
these pathways and I can get into I can get

764
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:03.039
to these states because I have these pathways carved and

765
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:06.599
I no longer necessarily need that AID to be able

766
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.320
to take me there. So it's interesting how these things

767
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:13.800
evolve and how they can be valid aids until you know,

768
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.159
but then we might kind of graduate out of them

769
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.719
and maybe they'll become an AID again in the future.

770
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:22.239
But it does really seem that right now it's important

771
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.639
for me to not right.

772
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:26.840
Yeah, it does sound like that you're being told you

773
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:27.440
don't need this.

774
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:32.039
Yeah, it does. Well, we all know the powers inside

775
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:36.039
it's within. So Okay, So we are quickly running out

776
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:37.159
of time, So I want to make sure that we

777
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.760
take some time to talk about your show, because we

778
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:42.280
were you graciously invited to be guests on your show.

779
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.519
We had a wonderful time that your show talks about

780
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.800
all kinds of stuff, right the name of the show

781
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:51.760
is a sole Elevations podcast. You explore some really cosmic

782
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:57.000
territory like ascension and et contact and energy healings, all

783
00:44:57.079 --> 00:45:01.159
kinds of stuff. How do all these threads together in

784
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:02.519
your show, in your work.

785
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:06.480
Yeah, it's a really appropriate question because for a long

786
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:11.119
time the podcast was called Meditation Conversation because when I

787
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:15.199
started it back in twenty eighteen, it was really around meditation.

788
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.159
And then with after a couple of years, I started

789
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:22.840
having much more consciousness based conversations. But it took me

790
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.800
forever to change the name because I liked the the

791
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.719
you know, rhythm of meditation conversation.

792
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.880
But eventually, I mean literally.

793
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:34.079
It's just been in the last few months that I

794
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:39.159
changed the name to Soul Elevation because the conversations are

795
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:44.119
really focused on the broader consciousness and I'm not really

796
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:45.199
talking about meditation.

797
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.599
I haven't for a very long time. So it's like.

798
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:50.360
Both of like, if you want to show that's going

799
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:52.960
to talk about meditation, this is not your show. And

800
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.760
if you don't want to listen to something because you're

801
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.840
not interested in meditation, this could be your show. But

802
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.880
it's when we think about consciousness, there are all these

803
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.519
different threads. It's again kind of going back to that

804
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:10.880
prism where We've got a prism of consciousness, and the

805
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:15.840
light that shines into it then has these rainbow fractals

806
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.599
that go out, and that one stream might be energy healing,

807
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.360
and one stream might be ets and how they're helping

808
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:28.480
us with our spiritual development, and one might be alternative

809
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:33.519
health and healing and so but the common factor with

810
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:37.119
all of it is that we are more than the physical,

811
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:40.559
and we are more than our minds, and there is

812
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:44.000
something that is connecting all of us, and if we

813
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:48.239
really utilize that, we can be so much more than

814
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:52.519
what we think we can be. And so that's really

815
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:55.800
the core of what I like to explore on the podcast.

816
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.840
And here I thought Et just wanted to phone home.

817
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:01.679
He wanted out of here.

818
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:08.159
Yeah today, all right, So when if someone and I've

819
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.639
been listening to your show, and sometimes you do interviews

820
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:12.079
like what you did with us, and sometimes you do

821
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:15.880
solo shows where you actually impart messages and lessons for

822
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:19.360
people to learn. Is there is there a particular person

823
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.280
that you think would be the most appropriate to listen

824
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.440
to your show and really truly have some good takeaways.

825
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:32.599
From Yeah, I anybody who is going through spiritual awakening,

826
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:35.000
and that can there are, like we've been talking about

827
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:38.400
this whole time. There are different levels of awakening. There

828
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:43.719
are different ways that we awaken. Some people, for example, awaken,

829
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.440
you know, back to an early question. Some people awaken

830
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:50.239
because they realize, you know, they go the more of

831
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.440
the conspiracy route, for example, where it's like and sometimes

832
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.880
that's related to like a medical thing where they do

833
00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:58.639
a deep dive and they're like, wait, why don't we

834
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.280
do it this way? Why are we having to take farma?

835
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.320
You know, why Farma is being shoved down our throat?

836
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.519
But there are these other legitimate things and then you

837
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.360
kind of go down that rabbit hole and there's some

838
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.280
really gnarly stuff going on there, and that makes people

839
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:18.000
start to question their reality. I appreciate a good conspiracy

840
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.079
as much as the next guy, but it's not really

841
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:23.679
like I don't really go down those rabbit holes on

842
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:25.400
the show so much. I have.

843
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.639
I've had guests like jk Ultra, who is amazing. I

844
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:30.320
love her. I don't know if you're familiar with her,

845
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:31.719
but she, you.

846
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:34.880
Know, jk Ultra like mk Ultra, you know, so she

847
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.639
is very like conspiracy heavy. I've had Reuben Langdon on

848
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.119
that's kind of his thing too, But I don't really

849
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:47.280
like all of those discussions are more spiritual in nature

850
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:51.639
than conspiracy. So that's I would say, you know, you're

851
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.480
not going to find a ton of that kind of content,

852
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:58.440
but really around more of the empowerment. My issue with

853
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.760
conspiracy is a lot of time it makes us feel

854
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:06.119
so disempowered, and so even though I love it, I

855
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.239
can feel it within myself of like, oh I'm starting

856
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:11.480
to feel hopeless, I'm starting to feel drained.

857
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.400
I'm starting to feel.

858
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:17.079
Like, you know, is like the deck is stacked against me,

859
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:21.719
and so I prefer to keep my attention, you know,

860
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.199
in other places that make me feel more empowered, because

861
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:31.000
that is really important. Empowerment is a critical component to

862
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:31.639
our ascension.

863
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.480
No, definitely couldn't agree more with you on that one.

864
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:38.079
All right, So every whenever we have a guest on

865
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:39.800
the show, every once in a while, we like to

866
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.599
throw some curveball questions at them just to see what

867
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:44.559
comes out. If you would be okay with doing a

868
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:46.840
couple couple of those, get a couple here, ready to

869
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.800
throw your way? Okay, So, m here we go. Here's

870
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:55.679
the first question. If your Spirit Guides ran a podcast,

871
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.159
what would it be called, and what would the first

872
00:49:58.239 --> 00:49:59.159
episode be about?

873
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:03.320
Oh, oh, what a great question.

874
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:06.840
You know. It's funny because before we started recording, Will

875
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.639
and I were talking about because Karen changed the temperature,

876
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:13.719
and we were talking about how when the energy gets

877
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:17.719
really like big, and you're having deep conversations and you're

878
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.320
feeling like spirit is coming in and maybe speaking through

879
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:28.119
you or definitely influencing your thoughts, it can make you hot.

880
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.360
And so you were sharing stories about that, and I

881
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.880
was like, yeah, I just hosted a workshop last night,

882
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.079
and oh my god, like I got all read and

883
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:40.800
I was sweating, and but it felt like the it

884
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:45.840
felt so palpable that there was there was presence there

885
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:46.800
beyond myself.

886
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:50.519
And so I do feel that.

887
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:55.760
I work closely with my spirit team, and I do

888
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.599
feel that they helped me to change the name of

889
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.960
the Pie Cast recently, Like I was talking about from

890
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:07.760
meditation conversation, like that seemed to be more of a

891
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:11.599
suggestion from outside of myself because I'd been not interested

892
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:13.320
in doing it for so long, and then it just

893
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:16.280
was like all of a sudden, like on a dime, Oh,

894
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.679
I'm going to do it this way, And so many

895
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:23.440
things lined up to support that happening all at once

896
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:27.000
where I had that idea, and then different I mean,

897
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.960
for example, the imagery that you see behind me with

898
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.840
the geometry sacred geometry, like that came in right when

899
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.760
I was rebranding everything, but it was completely a.

900
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:43.880
Coincidence, so to speak.

901
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.280
But different things like that where it's like, oh, the

902
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.239
first episode, one of the first episodes I have under

903
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.360
the new name, it's got a different backdrop, and there's

904
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.159
you know, lots of things changed all at once, but

905
00:51:56.280 --> 00:52:00.440
not by design. So the answer to your question, I

906
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.239
would say that they would call it Soul Elevation.

907
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:06.599
That's the name they wanted.

908
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:11.719
And then you know what seems to feel really relevant

909
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.280
to a lot of the content that it a lot

910
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:18.480
of times that my conversations come back to, you know,

911
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.519
don't forget you've got this support from the on the

912
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.519
other side. You've got this team that is backing you up.

913
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:27.360
Don't forget about them and call on them. And so

914
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.400
I think that that would be an easy first topic

915
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:31.199
that they would want.

916
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:34.119
Okay, that's a great, great answer to that question. Okay,

917
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:37.840
here's a second curveball question, and I love this one,

918
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:44.159
but you're probably gonna hate it. If authenticity had a smell,

919
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:46.880
what would it be and why?

920
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:54.559
Oh gosh, you know, for me, it's a woodsy okay,

921
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:59.760
and I like but truly yeah, or like cedar or

922
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.480
you know, but I get that what I immediately saw was

923
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:07.039
like the bark of a tree, right, And so I

924
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:08.920
think I would have to pick that apart a little

925
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:11.920
bit to like, you know, how that happens sometimes where

926
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:13.679
it's like, well here's my answer. Now, let me see

927
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:16.800
if I can figure out why that's my answer. But

928
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.039
I think maybe because there is just something so grounding

929
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:25.960
and so present with like a wooded area or trees,

930
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:31.360
and there's that stability, there's there's the the network, the

931
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:34.599
tree network that's happening under the ground where they're all

932
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.880
communicating in this really mysterious way for us on the

933
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:39.079
surface of life.

934
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:43.280
Let's go with that. Let's go with woodsy sedery. I

935
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:43.719
like it.

936
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:45.880
Karen, you're a big smelt person. What do you think

937
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:49.239
it would be? Chocolate choc maybe mushroom chocolate.

938
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:53.840
Yeah, I was thinking I was kind of taking apart

939
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:58.159
to like, okay, well, cuckoos, you know what they used

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it in the ancient civilizations for different ceremonies, so that

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was always very important. And now that we're trying to

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make this more palatable, we're we're mixing it with sugar

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and milk, and you know it's it's a lovely feeling

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because we eat chocolate. It just it popped into my.

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Head, right because cacao is kind of as bitter actually

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though the actual is actually a bitter taste.

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It was very limited only the very special people that

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right right now it's like, get your little hoshy bar.

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Right, that's not real chocolate altway, I mean it is.

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It's amazing. Yeah, all right, Karen, this has been wonderful.

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If someone wanted to a listen to your show or

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be reach out to you to have a deeper conversation

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with you, what's the best way for someone to reach.

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Out, Well, you can go on my the podcast website

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is Soul Elevation Podcast.

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You can reach me through there.

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And I have another website that is karagodwind dot com.

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I spelled Kara with a K and I'm on Instagram

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is kind of the the one that I'm on the most.

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That's Kara Underscore, Goodwin Underscore Meditation.

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Okay, we're going to add direct links to all that

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in our show. So if you didn't have a pen

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at that particular point in time, you still want to

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connect with Caroen, just go to the Skeptic Imposition dot

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com go to her episode page. You'll see all those

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links laid into directly, so it's easy to say, hey, Kara.

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We were all waiting, Hey Kara, Yeah, no, that was it, Karen,

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that's it.

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That's it, Just like quick, all right, is there anything

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that we haven't talked about? You want to make sure

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that the audience definitely gets from a takeaway from our conversation.

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I think I would just read I love to reiterate

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where we kind of left things when you asked about

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if my Spirit Team had a podcast, and the focus

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would be you have assistance on the other side, And

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I think that we It can be really tricky because

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there is so much invisible happening that's influencing us that

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we can tap into and let those beneficial helpers really

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connect with us. And everybody can do that, and it

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does take some subtle perception. You know, there are some

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things that you can do to help to be able

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to perceive those subtle energies better. But even if you

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can't perceive them. It starts with trust, it starts with faith,

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and so I would just encourage everybody to know that

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you can strengthen that and then play with that and

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let your team in on this physical experience.

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Beautifully said, that's a perfect way to end the show. Kara,

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thank you so much for coming on the show. It's

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been a pleasure getting to know you. I know we'll

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be in Touched much much longer and I look forward

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to listening to more of the shows.

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Likewise, thank you, thank you.
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Kara Goodwin is the host of the Soul Elevation podcast, where she explores ascension, spiritual awakening, energy healing, extraterrestrial connections, and consciousness. As a skilled energy healer and meditation guide, Kara empowers others to deepen their spiritual connection through transformative practices. Her debut book, Your Authentic Awakening: A Guide to Everyday Spiritual Living, provides a roadmap to embracing a spiritually awakened and authentic life. Through her work, Kara inspires others to elevate their souls and align with their highest potential.