Staticom: Is This Real Proof of Life After Death?

Will & Karen: [00:00:00] Okay. Serious question, Karen. Yes. Serious answer. If a ghost were ever to speak to you mm-hmm. Like literally from a speaker, would you A scream and run? B, pretend it didn't happen, go make a sandwich. Or C invented an entirely new technology to talk back. Um, well, after someone unpassed me out or woke me out, I, I don't know what I would do.

Ah, well, to It depends. It depends. If it's like, hi, Karen's like, oh, okay. Right. You know, if it's like a, a happy voice Right. Or, you know, Casper, or like, or if it, or if it says Get out, yeah. Then I'm out. Right? I am out. Well, today's guest is solidly in the C category. See, he's cracked open a brand new method of spirit communication, and it's unlike anything.

The paranormal world has ever seen. No radios, no weird frequencies. No chance is just someone across the dial out there, just pure white noise and two-way [00:01:00] conversations with people who don't technically live here anymore. Ooh. Mm-hmm. How white noise, like Carolanne. Um, maybe he's gone from skeptic, hardcore skeptic to revolutionary researcher.

He's building spirit boxes. He's capturing crystal clear EVPs. And now turning static into a supernatural hotline. So if you've ever wished your ghost encounters came with a better sound quality, hang tight. 'cause today we're dialing directly to the other side and this time they're actually picking up.

Ooh, that was clever. Thank you.

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Will & Karen: Hey there. I'm Will. And I'm Karen. Welcome back to the Skeptical in Position. Today's guest is someone who quite literally talks to the dead, but he gets answers too. I like that. Right. So Tony Rathman is a founder and lead investigator of Entity Voices, paranormal Investigations, and EVP and ITC Specialist and the Mind Behind Static com.

A groundbreaking new method of two ways Spirit communication using only broadband White noise. That's right. He's turned static into a supernatural walkie talkie. Wow. With over 15 years of experience, Tony has investigated hundreds. Of haunted locations across the US and abroad. He's built custom spirit boxes, hosted popular paranormal shows, and even ran a haunted [00:04:00] hospital.

Yep. That is a real thing. Karen. No, thank you. Uh, I'm skeptic to full blown spirit tech innovator. Tony's work is changing the game in how we connect with the other side. Tony Rothman, welcome to the show.

Tony: Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here and appreciate you having me on to discuss what Datacom can

do.

Will & Karen: the words excitement doesn't came close to, expressing how we feel right now. I know there's clips. Yes. Sneak. I just wanna hear 'em now. We've got clips. Yeah. So, Tony, one thing we should probably disclose to you and the audience, you know, some of the, most of the audience know this already.

Karen had no idea. Who you are or what we're gonna be talking about. We do it on purpose so that she comes at it from the audience point of view. So I, I do all the research and stuff. So the first time she heard about the fact we're gonna talk about speaking beyond the veil is right now, I'm very excited.

Right? So,

Tony: awesome.

Will & Karen: alright.

Tony: 15 years ago I was a complete skeptic. My father was a physics instructor. And so every time I asked a question as a kid, dad, why's the sky blue? I got a scientific [00:05:00] answer. All of a sudden, there's water vapor in the air. When the sun hits it blue's the most reflective color.

That's why the sky looks blue.

Nothing

Will & Karen: that why

Tony: ghosts, nothing about spirits. Nothing about demons. conversations never came up. But when I met my wife. When paranormal shows started coming out, she took an interest and she's like, oh, you gotta watch this. I'd sit down for about two minutes and go, Nope, this, this isn't real.

This is for television only. None of this exists.

Will & Karen: all.

Tony: Then she tricked me one Valentine's Day and she said, I want to do something different. I said, okay, what do you wanna do? She goes, I want to go ghost hunting. And I was like, you're kidding me. But I had two choices. I could take her or have her mad at me until next

Valentine's Day.

Will & Karen: I love the most about that is that you have a very romantic wife.

Tony: This was a strange request and one that I did not have an interest in, but you know, I knew it would make her happy to take her, so I did.

So

Will & Karen: that's nice.

Tony: that had a reputation of being haunted, her [00:06:00] some inexpensive equipment, night fishing camera, EMF meter, digital recorder, and we went. I played along. I asked questions. I took pictures. She had a great weekend. That was all I cared about, but when she got the stuff home, started reviewing it. What captured my attention the most a response on the digital recorder to a question we asked when we were the only two people up at 3:00 AM the only two people in the basement of the hotel, which we weren't even supposed to be in getting. Responses with timing and relevance to the question that we asked that blew my mind, and that's what started 15 years of research to try and prove two things. One, you could communicate with disembodied consciousness and two, if you can, and we can prove that that means consciousness, survives death. Those are the

two

Will & Karen: Right.

Tony: that we were really looking to [00:07:00] see. Can this be

Will & Karen: Well, I have to say, first of all, kudos to your wife because I mean, I think that would be really interesting to go and, and to this haunted place. But I don't wanna sleep there. You know? I wanna go to the haunted place and then come back to the regular hotel where I'm not gonna wake up or be afraid. I'm gonna wake up with, you know, something there that's, I would not sleep.

That's some bravery. And when you say that, you got an answer to a question, how did you get an answer?

Tony: Well, you're talking EVP,

so

Will & Karen: Okay.

Tony: recorder. Re digital recorder. Doing EVP is called record and review, meaning you start it, you ask the questions you wanna ask, then you stop the recorder, take it home, load it to your computer. The noise it, try to clean it up, maybe amplify it. that's the review part and then hopefully you're gonna hear responses, but that's how EVP works.

The response just shows up on the recorder.

Will & Karen: Got it. Okay. All right. Well, let's talk about static com because this is going to change everything, right? What [00:08:00] exactly in layman's terms is a static com?

Tony: Sure. a method, um, it's a method of spirit communication. original team, I. Um, and two former teammates literally did the historical research on all the different varying methods of spirit communication that had been used to date, ones responses, which ones were not debunked or proven to be fakes or lies. And the one method that came through under that scenario was a method called Direct Radio Voice. It was. Determined it could be used by a gentleman named Friedrich Jorgenson. Jorgenson passed that information on to Constantine, ve Constantine. VE passed it on to the most well-known gentleman who used it for about 35 years, named Marcello Bocce. And Marchello used it to [00:09:00] communicate with spirits, bring in people who had lost children or loved ones, and allow them to get messages from the other side. I. So when we figured that out, um, that method was recreated based on how it was put together, and guess what? It worked. So then we continued to evolve it. The two biggest skepticisms or criticisms of any ITC Pro product where one. A lot of them used a radio. It's really hard to say. I'm getting voices from the other side. When your device that you're using is a radio, which is meant to take RF signal

and turn it into

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm. Exactly. Yep.

Tony: do you determine reception from deception?

And that's, that's a valid point. other valid point to ITC was. You're not really hearing words, you're hearing warbles and artifacts of sound, and your mind is trying to conform it [00:10:00] into some sort of rational thought, or what you think is hearing is speech. So the first two things we had to do was to eliminate both of those. We needed our speech clear enough that anyone could understand it, and two, we had to remove the radio, and that's what we did.

Will & Karen: Yeah, that, I mean, wow. It, it's true though. You hear replays of people and they're, oh, it's this, do you hear this answer? And you're like. Maybe, you know, so that's it. It always could be something else. So I'm excited to to hear more about this because if you've cleared it up so you can actually understand it more and you're not guessing or thinking, maybe that's it.

I mean that's phenomenal. But the cool thing about it is it, I thought that was a cool thing. Well, no, it gets, if it gets cooler because it's not another cool thing. It's not just one way. Yes. Another cool thing, sorry, is it's not just one way communication. They actually talk and they actually have conversations with, that's amazing.

Yeah. So.

Tony: there's no ai, there's no word banks. [00:11:00] There's no nothing. Nothing is programmed into the system. It is nothing but a white noise generator filtered with filters in the computer. That filter frequency noise reduction. Things like that. Equalizer, that's it. Nothing to produce words. White noise has no words in it, has no audio data whatsoever.

There are no voices in white noise. So once this goes through, and we believe it have some, happens through a physics process called stochastic resonance. What happens is, is that white noise is used to elevate, undetectable or un um. Signals that are not able to be detected and it raises their level. So when you add white noise, when the spirit speak, their voice overlaps a few frequencies in the white noise and it elevates their voice up here where the white noise through a white noise generator [00:12:00] stays at a consistent level.

'cause it has a spectral frequency of one, meaning everything's even. So when their voice comes up, then we cut the white noise off. Leaving only the voice and all of this happens in real time.

Will & Karen: I was gonna ask.

Tony: slows down live white noise in real time. That was part of the problem. Spirits will speak so fast that if we didn't slow it down 50% in real time, you couldn't hear what they were saying. These were all done with research tests and now we have Datacom version 3.0, which is about maybe 80 days old.

Will & Karen: Wow. Oh my God, that's so exciting. Yeah. And before you send us some clips, we're gonna play them in a, in, in a few minutes. Uh, before we do that, uh, these clips that you sent us, are these the static com 3.0 or are they the older model?

Tony: They start from the DRV model. There's one of those, there's two of 2.0 and three of 3.0

Will & Karen: Fabulous. Okay. [00:13:00] How does a spirit speak? They've got no voice box.

Tony: V. Very good question, but you don't need, I. A voice box to create vocals. It's like hitting a guitar string. You need energy, frequency, and vibration. Your thumb is the energy. The frequency happens from the vibration of the string, the sound of it comes from that vibration. always do ask me that question.

I say, well, does your radio have focal chords? No.

Will & Karen: That's a good point if.

Tony: It's coming from energy frequency and vibration of the paper material within the speaker

Will & Karen: So do they have similar voices or do they have different voices, different spirits, different voices, or does it all kind of sound the same?

Tony: and we've

been able

Will & Karen: That's so cool.

Tony: identify past loved ones

strictly

Will & Karen: Ah,

Tony: their vocal.

Will & Karen: that's badass. What? Oh my god. That is badass. Oh my gosh. So you [00:14:00] feel that this helps to prove that consciousness exists beyond death.

Does that consciousness or personality, like, are people like grumpy out on the other side? Like, oh my God, I, you know, I died when I was about to go my 18th round of golf and I couldn't finish the damn thing. You know, do they, do they. Hang on to those types of energies, or is it They do. Oh, see, I thought you just went into the light and it was happy and all was good.

Tony: Well, I

Will & Karen: It's not.

Tony: the, the majority of 'em seem happy, but do they have days that may not be absolutely perfect even on the other side? Yeah, they do. this literally made us. Take a huge step back and determine what we believed reality to be. one of the things in the research we didn't wanna do was we didn't wanna conflict with science

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tony: wanna conflict with religion.

Any religion doesn't matter. And now with the way that we've, Taken, uh, a concept called [00:15:00] analytic idealism, which basically says that the ontological primitive of life is consciousness. It's there before you are alive.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tony: of. The universal consciousness while you're alive and it returns back to universal consciousness after death. That is how we believe these voices are interacting, answering questions, with timing and relevance. And you'll get to see that when you hear, when we play a few of the

clips.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm. So do you think, like when you ask the questions now, are they now kind of all knowing or are they, you know, like Will said, still kind of the grouchy guy?

Tony: Well, if you. reality like we did and that, you know, even religion says we all come from one God. If that God is universal consciousness and we're all a piece of it, that means we're all the same. If what we learn why we're alive here on [00:16:00] earth, if all that information goes back to universal consciousness so it can expand and grow, and it's one mind, that means that every bit of information in the universe. all part of universal consciousness. So when people say to us, well, you're using a digital recorder and you're talking to a spirit from the 18 hundreds, they wouldn't even know what that is. Yes, they would, because universal consciousness applies all the energy, all the information its entirety, and any individual voice coming through has access to that full information.

Will & Karen: So it's almost like it separates itself again from universal, uh, consciousness to speak to you as an individual.

Tony: Well, you can get the voice of who you ask for.

Will & Karen: Ah,

Tony: part of universal

Will & Karen: ah.

Tony: but it can come through as the voice of your past loved one.

Will & Karen: So maybe kind of like Sybil, like all the personalities [00:17:00] kind of all in one.

Tony: It's funny you say that because, disassociate identity disorder was one of the things where they thought that these were completely separate people.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tony: the years of research, when somebody was cured of it, they realized that all those other people were in fact, just them to begin

with.

Will & Karen: Right. Mm-hmm.

Tony: the same thing between frac universal consciousness, which is what, how we identify ourselves here on Earth alive. Then returning to universal consciousness, where the realization is, oh my gosh, we're, we're all one and the same.

Will & Karen: As cool as all this is, I just wanna point out the fact that you bummed me out to make me understand that I can have a bad day in heaven.

Tony: No, no. What What gets even worse

is when

Will & Karen: Oh no.

Tony: I asked them if they had jobs, and they said yes,

Will & Karen: Oh, come on. No. Okay. I am not being a janitor in heaven. I'm not doing it. I'm saying it right [00:18:00] now. I'm not doing it. Or daycare.

Tony: Yeah,

Will & Karen: So what kind of jobs? What, what? Like, not Jan. Seriously, not janitor. I mean, what is there to do?

Tony: I we're still working. Like I said, 3.0 is so new that we're just finally getting into the research questions. We did 'em with 2.0, but the difference between 2.0 and 3.0 was just an immense difference in the. constant communication 2.0 used to drop off at points and just go away. 3.0 doesn't do that.

We can ask question after question after question, get response after response after response, so that research things like I. What kind of job do you do? I'm sure they're different. Their environment is different. They're under a different sense of what reality is. They're not bound to time and space, so I'm sure those learning and growing experiences are different from what we have here.

At least I'm hoping

Will & Karen: this is this hopefully [00:19:00] better. Very different thought process than I ever expected to have on this thing. So how long is the longest conversation you've had?

Tony: 15 minutes.

Will & Karen: Wow. That's pretty awesome. That's fantastic. What is a typical day in Tony Mann's day like? You sit around just talking to spirits all the time.

I would like, when you talk about doing research, you just like, that's what you do. Just sit in front of a console and talk to spirits.

Tony: I mean, I, I do have a full-time regular job, so I spend too much time there. I would like to be able to spend all my time doing this, but yeah, we will take this to haunted locations. We will do it right in our home. There's not a night that goes by, it's not on. We can turn it on and just listen. We don't have to speak 'cause they speak to each other.

Will & Karen: Oh, you're eavesdropping.

Tony: It, it's a spiritual eavesdrop.

Will & Karen: Wow. So.

Tony: what they're talking about.

Will & Karen: So when you hear the term haunted house, it seems scary and you know, creepy and negative and demons and whatnot, [00:20:00] but do you ever go to haunted places that are lovely hauntings? I.

Tony: Well, you know, TV and movies portray a side of paranormal, which isn't exactly accurate. I gonna tell you that demons don't exist? No, I'm not gonna say that. But in 15 years, have I ever run into one? No, I haven't.

Will & Karen: So there they don't exist. Done. I'll take that.

Tony: that, that I wouldn't say,

Will & Karen: Right. You don't wanna come, want to come prove himself. Right, right, right. No, especially not today. Yeah.

Tony: not an everyday occurrence

by

Will & Karen: Oh, well that's good. Alright. That's good. Okay. I think they, I've, we've made Karen wait long. Way too long. Let's pull the first clip. Let me, um, lemme take a look at this.

and then maybe you can, set us up. Um,

Tony: with the one labeled DRV bocce.

so this clip was the. we got direct radio voice working, knew we were getting answers. This is the best [00:21:00] clip we had in a year of research. So this one is, when we were running it, my wife said, Hey, bocce, this is your method. Can you say something to us? That's this clip.

Will & Karen: All right. Let's hear it.

If you guys are just listening to this, you're not watching the video. Oh my God, you are missing, Karen.[00:22:00]

That was priceless reaction, Karen. Absolutely priceless. okay. So yeah, that, that was a little bit clearer than I expected. Way clearer than I expected. Yeah. how long did you talk to him after that?

Tony: That was about it. On

that one.

Will & Karen: Okay.

Tony: responded, he said, I'd say, glad to meet you. Which, you know, the, the, the great thing about vocals is they're better than any other paranormal piece of equipment on the market because I can tell if it's male or female. I can tell if it's an adult or child. I can tell emotional state, are they happy?

Are they upset? Are they angry? I can tell if there's a territorial accent or dialogue. You can hear, even though he's speaking English, you can hear a European dialect in the way he's using the words. Marcello bocce would've had that

Will & Karen: A good Italian man. Absolutely. I would see it. okay. That was, that was intense. Ooh. But I can't even think that it gets more intense from here. So [00:23:00] what's the next clip? What should we go to?

Tony: right. Go to, Static Com 2.0 do energy of the mind.

Will & Karen: Okay, here we go.

Okay, I honestly think that was actually clear than the first one. Yeah.

Tony: Y the vocal does improve from step to step. The biggest step from two to three was the length. Two would drop off after a minute or two, and the conversation would just be gone.

Will & Karen: Mm.

Tony: not drop off anymore.

gone hours. Conversation with three and not had it drop. But the interesting thing about the one you just played was that even before Datacom, we would do EVP research, and a lot of times the question would, or the answer would show up on the recorder before we even finished asking it. the answer that they gave [00:24:00] energy of the mind, that's the thing, explains how they're getting the information, is not from my vocals. is from me thinking it

Will & Karen: Right. Oh.

Tony: back through consciousness. It's also the new scientific theory called the Survival Theory of scientists trying to show that maybe consciousness can survive death, and that process is shown in their answer of energy of the mind.

That's the thing.

Will & Karen: This is exciting because, so exciting. We've been doing the show for four years and we're, the whole thing is we're looking for that. Tangible proof, right? That there's something else beyond this physical world, if this is in fact what we're hearing. I think you're right. I think this might be the, what the world is waiting for.

Which brings up a good point, a good question. Is this our last show? Yeah, that's it. Mic drop. Thank you. We're done. No. how have [00:25:00] you been received? Yeah.

Tony: You know there, there are certain groups of people that are gonna be, oh my gosh, this is fantastic. You're gonna get ones that, ah, he's faking it then none of that is real. I guarantee you there is nothing faked here. This is as real as it gets.

Will & Karen: Right.

Tony: got people that can be looking for Bigfoot, lose their car keys and have Bigfoot hand them their keys and still not believe it. never gonna change those

people.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Right.

Tony: intent to change anybody.

Will & Karen: Right.

Tony: is literally from a res research perspective to show what we can capture and what somebody does with it. That's up to them. we, we literally will invite. Any scientific group, any consciousness, afterlife, uh, organization to see it, hear it, run it, and evaluate it.

We have no concerns with that whatsoever.

Will & Karen: Uh, what about just a couple of podcasters?

Tony: We, we'll do that too.

we we are gonna be in [00:26:00] Halifax, Canada doing the Canadian Symposium talking about it this year we will be at phenomenon in Utah. Uh, with the skin Walker Ranch people and the talking about what this thing can do, doing a 90 minute presentation, running it

Will & Karen: Wow.

Tony: it's always great to run it for live because people get their own responses and they can recognize voices, they can ask questions, only they know

Will & Karen: Right.

Tony: oh my gosh, that's the correct answer

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Tony: in the room knowing what the answer should have been.

Will & Karen: That's pretty awesome. Wow. so basically you're saying, cross my heart, hope to die. Stick a needle in my eye, I am telling the truth. And that's kind of, but more grown up. or is it, I don't know. alright, well let the second, oh, third clip, do you wanna go to the next 2.0?

Tony: Uh, next 2.0 I think is

ship pat.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm. Yep. Okay.

You can [00:27:00] go.

Okay. Tell me, you looked up who Chip or Harold Pat is

Tony: we did, there's two problems. One, it's audio only. Did I hear it right? Did I spell it right? I did not ask what timeframe they lived, who was president when you were alive,

so

Will & Karen: right.

Tony: the research much harder. Again, that's still 2.0. After that response came through, the communication slowed down and I wasn't able to ask any further questions.

Will & Karen: Gotcha. Uh, because the first few I was a little iffy on, but then when he said, I'm Chip and then Harold. Yeah, I, that it, it got way clearer for me at that point. So, I [00:28:00] am so curious about 3.0. How about you? Yes. Should we wait until the end of the show? Nope. Not. You sure? Because we, I'm sure, yeah.

Okay. Alright. So, you know, Wives, they rule the roost. So, which 3.0 clips should we, should we roll?

Will: We need to take a quick pause, but we'll be right back right after these messages.

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Tony: I don't know if I gave you two or three.

Will & Karen: You gave us three. We got three, we got fourth round, we got percodan, and we got responses.

Tony: do do Percodan first, and let me just give a little preference to it. is when we first got it working. I mean, I was still putting in coding and these voices just showed up and my wife told me that night that she wasn't feeling well and she was in pain. And so [00:30:00] I literally, because the voices were coming through, I asked and go ahead and play it and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Will & Karen: Is it broken? The.

Tony: That's what they were afraid of. I didn't even know, and I don't react to it. When they said percodan. Because I didn't know what Percodan was. I had to look it up. It is a prescription strength relieve a combination of oxycodone and aspirin.

Will & Karen: Mm.

Tony: I you know, I had never taken it. I didn't know what it was.

They had literally given me an answer that I was [00:31:00] not aware of, which was accurate.

Will & Karen: so that, that was a little bit more difficult to hear because of the, the ambient noise. Can you just go through it? Like what, what was it that you asked and why did they answer? Percodan?

Tony: Because I asked, is my wife getting ill? And they said yes. And I said, what should she take?

Will & Karen: Perker Dan.

Tony: back with Percodan,

Will & Karen: So she had something that was causing her pain then.

Tony: correct? I.

Will & Karen: Wow, okay. Wow, that's pretty, that's pretty awesome. okay, so then, then, uh, what's the next 3.0?

Tony: Uh, initial, I think,

Will & Karen: We have, we've got fourth round in responses.

Tony: do responses.

Will & Karen: Okay.

Tony: Now this will show. That the two-way communication absolutely has broadened. You're not gonna hear a single question and a single answer anymore. You're gonna hear conversation. That's what this is gonna show. But none of these questions are scientific. This is when we first got it up and running.

Will & Karen: [00:32:00] Okay, here we go.

[00:33:00] I am head to toe. Goosebumps. Goosebumps, chills. Yes. Be careful. Ooh. And you've done it. gosh, it it, does this freak you out at all? I mean, they just going about their lives out there and it's like they're in the living room. Right. It, it doesn't feel like they're [00:34:00] in the afterlife. They're just. Next door talking.

Tony: That, that's an excellent point. But it's because of the way that we define as being human. We created a manmade construct called time and space. Time and space do not exist for them. They, it, it doesn't exist, you know, and, and people always say, well have 'em tell us where they are. Well. We can only understand things like where you are based on time and space, which are manmade

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tony: If I said to you, do you like ice cream? And you said, yes. I said, without using time, tell me when you had your last bowl of ice cream. impossible. You can't say four hours ago, you can't say last week. You can't say three months ago. You can't do it. It is the same thing for them because they don't have. constructs that we have placed on human 3D [00:35:00] materialistic life.

Will & Karen: when they said, be careful. What do you think they meant by that? And that rathman sounded kind of scary. Rathman. Be careful.

Tony: said that

I, I

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Tony: that was said that way to get my attention.

Will & Karen: Got my attention.

Tony: the, be the be careful brings up lots of things to me. One, um, yeah. I mean, anytime you're opening a communication, do you run the risk of maybe getting something a little darker? Yeah. You do. We haven't had that concern yet, but I think the bigger concern. Is in somebody wanting to get ahold of it for the wrong reasons. Information, government, um, are the concerns I think the be careful are around.

Will & Karen: Gotcha. That makes sense. So maybe one of the jobs is like a spy.

Tony: Well, if, if Datacom will not give you anything from the future. [00:36:00] Meaning I can say something as simple as I have a decision to take this job or this job. Which one should I take? They will not answer.

They

Will & Karen: Oh.

Tony: that because we believe they're under universal laws. They can affect the life that we were sent here to learn, to grow, to evolve. they, they cannot change that. But they can change. They can say anything that's happened in the past. And the other reason we know they won't get future stuff is 'cause we've asked for the Powerball numbers a thousand times.

Will & Karen: As you. As you well should have. Absolutely. Yes.

Tony: But if I ask something that happened in the past, I mean, we've literally done research where we, we googled a hundred questions randomly on the internet, wrote the answers down, and then asked the question and got the correct answer from static. So then the next thing my wife and I said is, let's use this for cold cases. Let's get them answers where they can't find any,

Will & Karen: Right.

Tony: what can be done with

it.

Will & Karen: Have you done that yet?

Tony: We are [00:37:00] working

on it,

Will & Karen: Oh, wow. That that, yeah. Is exciting to think about. So, if you do have such some success with that, I hope you'll reach out. Let us know because that sounds fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's probably really important to tress what you said in the very beginning. This is a white noise generator.

This is not a radio signal. Right. So there is no, there, there's no possibility that a voice could leak into this. This is just white noise, so what you're hearing can't be a crosstalk of any sort at all. Right.

Tony: It cannot, it's a closed circuit system also. There's no mics, there's no input, there's no nothing. When I'm asking a question, I'm not even broadcasting my voice. I'm speaking in my no normal tone of voice in my house. a response comes in with timing, relevance, and intelligence, and answers what I just asked. So yes, it how this. [00:38:00] We have theories on how this is occurring, and again, stochastic resonance is one of them, but this should not be happening,

but it,

Will & Karen: Wow. Yeah. Like they said, you've done it. You've done it. So, so you've done all of this incredible research and created this device and now you're getting these amazing communications that are, are proving essentially that this consciousness does exist after our bodies are dead. How can you use this tool for good?

Like, how do you think this can help people?

Tony: Well, cold cases is definitely

one.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Right.

Tony: The other one is grief. mean,

when

Will & Karen: Hmm.

Tony: a child or even an a parent or whatever the case is, there's amount of

grief that

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Tony: with that to be able to hear, maybe get a message, Hey, I'm still here. I'm still around.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tony: version of death isn't death to us.

It's a transition. Those are comforting

thoughts.

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Tony: the thoughts that, hey, I will see them

again. I will be able to communicate [00:39:00] with them. There's another way it can help the doors, that it can open from. Maybe new internet speeds of transmission, if we can determine how this is occurring to who knows what in science. the biggest one right now is just the fact that this is the best proof I've ever seen. That consciousness can and in fact does survive death.

Will & Karen: Wow. And you mentioned that you can actually invite a specific person to speak. Have you done that? Have you had success with that?

Tony: I have, I have spoken to my grandfather who passed away when I was a child. wife's mother passed away from Covid about three years ago. She has been able to get ahold of her. We also do what's called live, um, sessions for groups of audience where they can come hear it for themselves, and then we let them ask their own questions. We had a gentleman come up one time that said, can I [00:40:00] ask a question? We said, sure, go right ahead. He asked his question in his Native American language, so we don't even know what he asked. So we just sat back and waited and listened, and we weren't sure if he got his answer until his eyes sort of went wide and his jaw kind of dropped.

I said, did you get your answer? He said, not only did I get it, but I got it in my Native American language.

Will & Karen: Wow. So no change that we're just reading into this is there like we think we are hearing it, but maybe just our mind's playing tricks on us or something.

Tony: that's the whole definition that science threw out about about EVP and ITC, that it's warbles and artifacts.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tony: these voices analyzed by audio engineers, and they've come back and said, this follows the exact consonant tone. Dipt thg pauses the emotional energy. Typically shown in human speech, this is not warbles and artifacts of sound

Will & Karen: Wow. But there's one more clip, isn't there? [00:41:00] There is one more clip. Yes. okay. I guess we should play it before we go on to the next lesson. I'm like, yes. Yes. Alright. It's called fourth round. Yeah.

Tony: correct.

Will & Karen: Okay. You want to set this up before we get, before we launch it?

Tony: was, you know, a few days into us getting it operational 3.0. This is, again, just conversation. None of it is research, but it's showing the two-way consistent conversation back and forth over a length of, I think we probably did this an hour. This is probably a two or three minute clip, but that's what you're gonna hear.

Will & Karen: Alright, let's see.

Anticipation's killing [00:42:00] me.

[00:43:00] All right. I see why you had us hold onto that one for last, because that was probably the clearest that we, that we heard, especially at the very beginning. I literally chills instantly. That was unbelievable. Wow. Mr. Rathman, congratulations. I, I, I believe that you have shown us that consciousness does exist beyond.

Our physical life passing. So thank you for, for doing what you, I mean, how did you come up with the [00:44:00] idea to do this like this?

Tony: I said, the, the most important part was done by our former team teammates. We've now split, uh, we had some differences on how to make it progress, which is fine, but we worked together for about three years. Like I said, they're the ones that went back and realized that direct radio voice, Marcello O bocce was proved, was taken in lab by scientists and they could not disprove or debunk the responses he were getting was getting.

So we said, okay, let's start with that. And we did. And then we said, the radio's gotta go away. We gotta make sure the voices are as clear as possible so that anybody who hears them will all agree. They heard the same thing.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tony: how this whole thing started, began, and continues to to happen today.

Will & Karen: Ah, well, if you're only listening to this show, we urge you to go to watch the video because it, it adds a level of, uh, dimensia dimensionality that [00:45:00] is astounding because when you hear it and then you see it played on screen, it reinforces what you just heard. It's not like, like I didn't feel like it was swaying me to feel that I, that I'm hearing something, but rather it was confirming.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tony: tested that too. 'cause people always said, if you put the words up, you're gonna, you're, you're gonna make me hear

that.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tony: we said, okay. So we put out a bunch of material where we put absolutely the wrong thing up and people came back and said, well, I heard it, but what you wrote was not what I heard Exactly.

Because it's not that influential to

make

Will & Karen: wow.

Tony: that's not there.

Will & Karen: Wow. That's incredible. That's clever. What, what is next for stand com? What's 4.0 look like?

Tony: Well, we don't know. Um, we are so new into 3.0 and the results have just been phenomenal, but always to increase the clarity to expand the. [00:46:00] Knowledge of what they can tell us. I mean, they've helped us with settings. I've got clips where they're literally telling me up, down, you know, what number to dial it into so that they can communicate the, there's a million questions people ask.

Did you ask how the pyramids were built? Did Atlantis exist? I could spend my entire life just asking questions to see what kind of answer I get. But again, all of that detracts from the research, from the understanding and the advancement. So we have to balance that.

Will & Karen: You know, pyramids, that could be a pretty good research thing. I'm just, just putting it out there. So.

Tony: I mean, they, they, there's not a question out there that humanity hasn't gone after for. existence of what happens after death. And hopefully this is a step to show a lot more than we think. And please have a listen. And like I said, um, of the afterlife, um, organizations or [00:47:00] consciousness organiz, me.

I will, I will show you. I will run it for you and you can, you can pull it apart any way you want. 'cause if there is an answer outside of what we believe is happening, I'd love to

hear it

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm. Right. So in your experience then, do you think so. Billions of people have died. So there's these, I guess, consciousness, unless they come back. I don't know how it works. We'll find out. We'll find out eventually. Conscious eye. Conscious eye. So do, so there was the one situation where everyone was talking at the same time.

So I'm thinking like around here now, are there just all kinds of kind of spirits and Oh good god, no, no, no. I've gotta sleep tonight. You can't be doing that, right? No, but I'm curious, like are they all, like, are there a plethora around all the time or is it just like one guy's there and maybe there's nobody there?

Tony: They're around all the time.

Will & Karen: Ooh.

Tony: All the time. fact, my wife and I did research questions like, what did I do last week at this time on this day? And they'll come through and they'll answer it

Will & Karen: [00:48:00] Now the way I like to think about it is not that they're watching us do it, but rather they tap into universal consciousness and they get the answer from that instead of 'cause because, you know, I'd hate to think that, you know. We're in the shower and we got Jim Bob looking over our shoulder or something, you know.

Tony: not gonna tell you how I know this, but a piece of information showed up on a, on a video that gave a response to something we were shocked to have heard. So that's all I'm gonna say. But, um, they are around. They can see you and they do know what you're doing.

Will & Karen: Oh man. Now we know a little bit more about you now, Tony. Hey. No judgment. That's all good. That's all. It's, you know, we might have to put it to the test. What do you mean we make our own video? What? Alright, anyway, that's, that's skeptic decisions after dark. Anyway, I was like, what's happening?

Tony: I can ask 'em what color my shirt is. Now again, we believe it's being transmitted through [00:49:00] consciousness. So if I say, Hey, what color is my shirt? And clearly it's white and black. gonna be in my head after I ask it. So

I'm

Will & Karen: Right,

Tony: information.

Will & Karen: right.

Tony: we've also done things where I've held up my glasses and said, what am I holding in my hand?

And they'll say, glasses or scissors or my phone or a spoon. And they'll flat out answer it. How exactly that information gets transferred back and forth. We believe is through consciousness. But are they around? They can be at the blink of an eye or a thought 'cause without being restricted to time and space. They can communicate from anywhere, which is why if somebody says, Hey, come to my, to my house, we think it's haunted, and I can get voices. Voices don't determine they're at a location or that a location is haunted 'cause I can get voices from anywhere. Voices is not they don't have to be at the location to communicate, does not determine a location [00:50:00] to be haunted.

Will & Karen: Do you feel better now? no, but I'm gonna endeavor. you realize maybe you didn't think about it, but I'm gonna call it out now. There's a lot of people who would love to communicate with their dearly departed. Do you realize that you might now get bombarded with requests? To use a static com to speak to their departed loved ones.

Do you have plans to make this a commercial product of any way? In any way?

Tony: two complications with doing it. Is that eventually down the road locations with doing it because nobody should not, because it's not like a spirit box where you flip the on switch on and it

goes,

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tony: is a method that requires knowledge of sound frequency, physics principles, um, dialing the system in. and it takes patience, time, and an understanding. [00:51:00] So the, the other concern is, okay, if we were to release it, how many questions are gonna come in?

Hey, I turned it on, but I'm not getting what I hear you're getting. What do I do?

Will & Karen: Hmm.

Tony: That distracts from the research, from our continued progress, and we're not prepared to do that. we will run it for presentations for people can, you know, experience it without having to understand it, learn it, and be able to control it. right at this point, is it something we wanna get out that people can, you know, it become the cell phone of a household? Yeah, of course. It's just not there yet.

Will & Karen: Now, is this something you can do virtually or do you have to be like, does the person asking questions have to be there with you in person?

Tony: No, it, it can be done virtually.

Will & Karen: Oh.

Tony: is, is we've just spent the last 45 days, 'cause we've had so many requests to run this online. It is two separate systems. It [00:52:00] is two separate computers. I. It is completely separate audio, audio inputs, video outputs, and when you do a live stream, you have one input and one mic. So we have been working feverishly the last 45 days to integrate two computer systems into one to be able to do it online. And I think we hit it last week,

Will & Karen: Oh, great. Very

cool. I look forward to seeing that when it happens. Well, you're at it. Would you mind asking my grandmother where she put that last $5 that she owed me? Because uh, okay. I appreciate that. Yeah. Uh, this is remarkable. Tony, seriously, congratulations. Uh, this is incredible. I'm gonna, re-trigger that last one.

I'm gonna fast forward to where they actually start talking because I gotta hear it again okay. Right there. [00:53:00] The time is up and they had fun. The super clearest of any that we've, that we've heard, I think, right? No, there were a couple clear ones. Really? Yeah, there were quite a few clear ones actually. Oh my God. That's, that's just, that's incredible. Tony, uh, I, if someone wanted to reach out and, and find this, they wanna try for themselves, or if you go to your next event to go to your next event or learn more about it, what's the best way for someone to do that?

Tony: have a website called entity voices.com. Uh, there's a whole datacom session, what, where we're going, where we're gonna be, we've done, um, like. The 12th, we're gonna be doing a live presentation and demonstration up in Globe, Arizona. Um, I listed a couple of the other ones before, but it can all be found on entity voices.com. You can look up Tony Rathman on Facebook. I usually show what we're working on, tests, we're doing sorts of stuff on my Facebook page, or go to YouTube and just [00:54:00] type in Datacom and you'll go right to the page where all the captures that we've had the last three years are there.

Will & Karen: I know what I'm doing tonight. I know what I'm not doing tonight. I wanna. Sleep. Oh gosh, Tony. Uh, we're gonna add a direct link in our show notes to that website. So if you didn't have a pen in that particular point in time, what you needed to go do is go to skeptic me.com. You'll see his episode, and in the episode you'll find the link so you can access the information super quickly, super easily.

Can't thank you enough for coming and sharing this with us. That's been so fantastic. This is a game changer. This is a complete game changer. And I don't know if we have a show from now on. I think we're done. I think we're done.

Tony: the, the, the great part about this is for every question that gets answered, there's a hundred more questions behind it.

Will & Karen: Hmm.

Tony: I don't know that show or any research. With the matter will ever come to a close because there's so many variables we don't know. So I wouldn't worry about [00:55:00] that,

Will & Karen: Alright.

Tony: in the right direction.

And yeah, we're hoping the, hardest part for us right now is to get people passed. When you asked about people accepting it or rejecting it,

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Tony: it's really hard to get people who are dead set against it or don't believe that this is happening. take 15 minutes and just say, okay, I'm gonna look,

I'm gonna

Will & Karen: Right?

Tony: I'm gonna see

Will & Karen: it's great call out because I think we are all. We know communication the way that we know it here in this plane, for us to be able to reach across to a alternate reality, completely different dimension of being, we can't expect to hear it the way we're hearing it now.

So you have created a translator of sorts. Mm-hmm. And people have to get to the knowledge that it's, you're not gonna hear it exactly how you expect it, because they, you can't understand. How they communicate there. So that's pretty remarkable.

Tony: and, and the fact that we had the slow down live [00:56:00] white noise. I mean, we'd have two, three sentences come through and it would sound like. A, a vowel sound because it was that fast.

Will & Karen: Wow.

Tony: we had to slow down live light noise, we're like, oh my gosh, there's two or three sentences there and now I

can

Will & Karen: Wow.

Tony: word.

So

Will & Karen: Uh.

Tony: there were lots of challenges within making this function the way that it functions, but progress is being made, and that's exciting, not only for us, but for anyone who's interested and wants to learn more, because this will change how we believe the afterlife works and

functions.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Yeah. And you, you, now that you've proven that it works, now only the next question is what are the jobs I was waiting for that. Well, I need to know what the jobs are because otherwise I don't know if I want be.

Tony: We wanna know that too. A matter of fact, the last couple of nights I've said, Hey, you said you had jobs. What kind of job I wanna know too,

because I

Will & Karen: Yeah. And do they And do they pay well? Right. I thought we were gonna be like flitting around on clouds and [00:57:00] playing harps all day long. Right. No, I'm not on board for jobs. That's a job. The musician the hardest. Alright. Tony, thank you so much for coming on. It's been an absolute pleasure. Hopefully we will uh, be in touch again 'cause this is remarkable.

Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah.

Tony: having me on. Thanks for talking about this, sharing this, and, uh, I'm very grateful. Thank

you.

Will & Karen: All right, we'll see you again.

Tony: All right.

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