Energy Healing & Spiritual Awakening: The Hidden Power of Ancient Japanese Shamanism

Benton: [00:00:00] Karen? Yes. If I start levitating mid-interview, I will freak out. Well, no, just normal. Just nod like it's normal. Okay. Just, oh, yeah. Normal meditating. Just that's normal. Yes. Just act like, okay. Perfect. Okay. Yes. Our next guest. Mm-hmm. See, he's basically the metaphysical equivalent of a cosmic plumber.

Oh, okay. See, he clears out your energetic junk, realigns your spiritual pipes, and somehow does it all without breaking a sweat. has he met us? Yeah. Actually he has now remind me to sage the studio after this one. Okay. 'cause our guest doesn't just dabble in energy work. He wields it like full on multidimensional jedi level energy surgery.

I'm talking about someone who was born with the ability to tap into the unseen. He didn't study it. he didn't chase it, it chose him. Wow. And get this. He uses a healing system That's so rare that I couldn't even pronounce it the first three times I tried to say.

I mean, [00:01:00] I may have even, you're, you're struggling with pronouncing anything right now. Well, that's true. I I, I may have you even pulled a hamstring, trying to pronounce it. Now we're diving into spontaneous spiritual awakenings. Mm-hmm. Energetic extractions and the subtle art of not freaking out when your body starts purging, blocked emotions you didn't even know you had.

Oh, wow. So, uh, maybe wear your stretchy yoga pants on this one and, uh, cracker window because the, this one is gonna be wild.

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Will: Hey there, it's Will. Just stepping in here for a second to ask you for a favor. See, the main reason we do this show is to help others in their spiritual awakening, and nothing makes us happier than to hear or read messages from those that are resonating with the messages we're sharing on the show. So if you have a moment, we'd love for you to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or any other podcasting platform that supports them. Karen and I love hearing from those that are moved to message us. It truly does fuel our passion. You are the reason we do this show and knowing what you like and don't like really gonna help us craft the very best show we can so that we can help raise the vibration of the planet together.

I've kept you from the interview long enough, so let's get to it. Thanks for listening.

Benton: Hey there. I'm will. And I'm Karen. Welcome back to a very. Interesting episode of the Skeptic [00:03:00] Musicians. Okay, folks, remember that time a long time ago, we had this mysterious guest on a show who wore a ninja mask the entire interview, and he casually did energy healing sessions on Instagram, like it was no big deal.

Well plot twist. He's back and this time he's brought his face. Wow. Benton Ryer is part sorcerer, part shaman, and part martial arts mystic and a hundred percent not messing around. He's the author of The Shores of Eternity, which reads like Harry Potter. If Harry Potter had wandered into a metaphysical bookstore, learned real life magic, and then decided to become a spiritual ninja.

Now online, he's known as bent in the mage, where his, nightly energy healing sessions have turned skeptics into believers and clogged chakras into spiritual slipping slides. True story. When I was battling cancer, this man worked on me energetically and something. Seriously shifted. We're gonna talk [00:04:00] about that.

Then he practices an ancient Japanese spiritual tradition that's older than your favorite crystal collection. And he's about to, to move to Japan to go even deeper down the spiritual rabbit hole. So buckle up, clear your energy field and maybe grab some sage because Benton Ryer is stepping outta the shadows and into your earbuds bent in.

So good to see you actually. So good to actually see you. Actually see you. Yeah. How you doing?

Will & Karen: Good. I'm in Japan now. Actually

Benton: Oh, you already made Japan, you know, you look like you're in Japan.

Will & Karen: it's 5:00 AM

Benton: Oh my gosh. Wow. Well, thank you for getting up for this.

Will & Karen: Maybe that's why.

Benton: So, you could have picked any time to do the interview. Why did you pick 5:00 AM Is it this part of your new routine?

Will & Karen: I don't know.

Benton: Okay. He meant to hit the PM and he accidentally clicked the am. Well. Alright. Uh, Benton, last time you were on the show, you, uh, were this [00:05:00] mysterious figure that that we, you were, you were purposely trying to hide mm-hmm. Who you were because you were concerned about the repercussions of some of the things that, things that you were doing.

But here you are now fully exposed. Exposed. Yeah. What changed? What made you decide to move away from that?

Will & Karen: Well, I can work on more than one person at once now, so since then,

It's like, just come, right. I don't have to convince one person at a time. So.

Yeah, I was actually started doing that soon after that interview.

Benton: Do one-on-ones. Gotcha. Okay.

Will & Karen: it doesn't matter. The number of people don't really matter, so as long as they're sort of aware.

But I'm getting past that now

Benton: Have you noticed any difference in how, like you're perceived now that you're showing your face as compared to how you were when you were kind of in the shadows?

Will & Karen: Not really. Not really. Most people ignore me. [00:06:00] It's true. Most people ignore me.

Benton: how about during the healing sessions though?

Will & Karen: During the healing sessions, not really. I mean, people, people who show up, most people don't believe. Most people don't believe that the cognitive dissonance is strong with people. It's true.

Benton: Yeah.

Will & Karen: of people will just.

Not show up or not even try even people deserve themselves really. Spiritual won't, there's a lot of self, almost self-perceived experts and therefore they won't humor anything outside of their box.

Benton: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: And even if they though, so I'll just give you an example. There's a, there's a big Christian influencer, a ca, a Catholic one, and he wanted to explore all the major [00:07:00] religions.

And I went, well, let's do Shinto. And he's like, send me your links. And we talked a few times and he finally watched them and he decided, no, I'm not gonna have this person on. And he started to avoid me. And he just did that by answer, not answering anymore,

Benton: Mm.

Will & Karen: because his idea was that, you know, he expected what I'm doing is true and he could thinks of himself as protecting people, because I'll tell you like if someone's in pain.

Or they're suffering through something. They don't care what religion it came from. They don't care if they have been going to mass every other day for the last 40 years. They don't care because, you know, they're already in hell a lot of times. [00:08:00] So if somebody gives some relief, it's it's, it does, it means a lot, obviously.

and that's what a lot of these folks are, how can I say it?

Avoiding or denying for their audience, unfortunately.

Benton: Yeah. Well you're in luck 'cause we are all about bringing you on, so, but you mentioned

Will & Karen: There, there's people that'll have me on, but you'll notice something very you'll mention something very, they're very, there's very specific characteristics about them

as opposed to others. So, and which is basically what you said, is that they're trying to learn stuff

Benton: Yeah.

Will & Karen: and to discover stuff. So,

Benton: Right. And that's, that's what the point of this is, spreading information. So, so it's been a while since you were on the show, and like we said, we talked about you being very different. A lot of our audience [00:09:00] are new to the show. I mean, we have some people that have been on for the long haul.

But for those who are just meeting you for the first time with this, what would you say? Like, what do you call your practice? Like, what is it exactly that you do?

Will & Karen: Fundamentally, it's Shinto. It's oggi, the rights of purification

Benton: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: I call on, uh, now I call on, or I mostly call on the kabi to purify the energetic bodies, which has an effect on the physical body.

Benton: And it's an, it's an ancient Japanese modality, right?

Will & Karen: You long forgotten.

Benton: Long forgotten. Right? Remember the first time you were on it was you, you didn't even wanna mention what it was because it was so ancient. And but powerful that it was difficult to talk about it on the show. Mm-hmm. But Shinto and the way that I saw it, I think it's, it's co shinto.

Right?

Will & Karen: old Shinto. Yeah, but she, whatever.

I mean, it's not like there's a bunch of people around here doing it, you know,

[00:10:00] it's just not. I mean, people be, people here will be, I think they'll be more receptive just because it's such a part. It's not foreign,

Benton: Right.

Will & Karen: but for, but for now, it's not something that's around.

I just got here a week ag a week and a half ago or so, two weeks ago.

Benton: Well, we have talked about a lot of mo healing modalities on the show over the last five years of doing the show for whatever long it's been, sets Shinto apart from all the other ones?

Will & Karen: Uh, I, he heal the body.

Benton: So is it, how is it different than, than from Reiki, for example?

Will & Karen: what I actually do reiki removals for people.

Benton: What does that mean?

Will & Karen: It means that the Japanese dictionary, just the regular one.

Benton: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: Has a different definition than what people think. It's

Benton: Oh,

Will & Karen: it's, it's one of those things that's hidden in plain sight [00:11:00] and once it's removed, people who do, people who do it fulfill the difference right away. It's very subtle. It's a subtle impurity.

Benton: wow. No. Is this is what you do? Do you consider it an energy modality? Energy healing modality or?

Will & Karen: no, it's just removal that also I do. It is removing, I'm not shooting anymore with energy.

Benton: So you're removing impurities from someone's.

Will & Karen: Yeah. I mean, I'll use things like fire and things like that to burn things away, but it's still re.

Benton: So how do we accumulate all of these energies that you're helping people remove? Like, are there things people should avoid doing that maybe gives them this negative or these bad energies?

Will & Karen: Well, there's lots of ways that you can accumulate them. The atmosphere that you're in.

Environment, other people, most of the worst stuff we're born with,

Benton: Oh

Will & Karen: most of the worst stuff we're born with. Yeah.

Benton: So it's like a generational thing [00:12:00] maybe.

Will & Karen: Not necessarily a generational thing. It's more so bad luck sometimes.

Benton: oh, wow. Okay.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Bad luck. Depends on, you know, where you're born, you know, where, where and when you're born. Astrological gateways have to do with it. Have astrologists. Will call what I'm seeing now, blasphemy. there's a bit more to it than that?

Benton: do you want to chair

Will & Karen: No. Not now.

Benton: Okay. He is still mysterious. Yep. Yep. Okay. So Benton, do you consider what you do? A cult?

Will & Karen: Cult.

Benton: A a cult, a, cult. occult

Will & Karen: Well, yeah. It means hidden,

Benton: Like sorcery? Yeah.

Will & Karen: So yeah, when people hear that, they think like they have an image of weird [00:13:00] rituals. Right. But it's not that, I mean, there's some of that too, but the people that do things like that, they're just calling up, you know, very low level parasites that aren't really doing much, but giving them a quick high. But yeah, there's just not that much there. So people are much ado about nothing. It's almost like there's a new Satan panic. It's not almost, there is, oh yeah, absolutely. It's new Satanic panic. Yeah, any little thing that comes up is Satanic,

Benton: Hmm.

Will & Karen: but it's a bunch of nothing. You know, think of it this way, um, when we think of the monk in the mountains in Tibet, and they've hidden themselves away for years and years to develop their power, right?

The Western equivalent that happens to be a witch on [00:14:00] TikTok is not gonna have the same fortitude to do anything with any power or Etsy for that matter. Even if they think they can themselves. It's just not there. You know, the, the, the Western equivalent requires the same fortitude, which none of these people have.

Benton: So you were were born or you didn't study to have these abilities, but

Will & Karen: Not, not, not necessarily. I have,

Benton: Okay. I was gonna say, have you done any other work to kind of hone them?

Will & Karen: of course, I'm always doing it,

Benton: when did you first realize you could help people?

Will & Karen: Like a lot. A lot. Maybe in the pandemic.

Benton: Oh,

Will & Karen: yeah. Or I could, I could remove that

Benton: Yeah. Holy

Will & Karen: could breathe better now. Yeah.

Benton: Wow.

Will & Karen: set into a little bit after

Benton: So are you still doing those [00:15:00] healing circles on, on Instagram or No?

Will & Karen: I'm doing them on YouTube live. Mm-hmm.

YouTube live. Yeah. But the algorithm slows it up a bit. And there's a lot of noise too, right?

That's a issue. So whenever I'm like, Hey, I can help you with that, it's like, oh, I have a healer. I have a healer. Nothing. No thank you.

I don't let anyone in my energy. I'm like, good, you're dying.

I said, no, no, no, no. I'm just done. Fine.

Benton: I just can't imagine someone.

Will & Karen: my heel myself. What was that?

Benton: can't, I can't imagine someone being that sick and not wanting to take help from anybody and everybody, you know who, who offers it?

Will & Karen: I don't know why.

Benton: and in fact, when I was battling with my cancer we, I touched on it on the, in the intro. You were one of the people that graciously offered to help me with that. And I had a, we did, did a bunch of different modalities and somewhere along the line, I'm not sure if you [00:16:00] actually ever heard the the final result, and I don't know where it hap how it happened, but when I went back for my second biopsy.

They couldn't find it,

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Benton: so, I can't discount that. Maybe it was what you did that

helped it,

Will & Karen: Is absolutely what I did.

Benton: it was, you're sure that,

Will & Karen: Yeah. It's, it's and it's unfortunate too because, I mean, I'm just not getting into enough people. There was a young man, very, very, yeah. Like right now his parents are bringing them home. He, you know, his mom is really into this sort of thing, but he, because of that, he's kind of anti or rebelled against it a little bit. And I worked on him and a week later, the first time his, I guess, tumors started shrinking, they checked and I told him, I have to work on him [00:17:00] one more time. And he just, like, he was not going out to play with my friends. It's like he was this, this thing where like he was in the mindset like, going, science is gonna help me.

Would, so he didn't, we didn't finish, even though he felt it and experienced it very strongly he just didn't wanna take it. And so, I mean, I'm, I'm reeling for bad a little bit.

Benton: we talk about it all the time, how people have no problem believing in the internet. You know, radio, cell phones, things that are not connected. It's just energy, you know, traveling, sound, waves, whatever. Yet when it comes to this thing, it's like somehow different.

Will & Karen: ' cause there's a letter of frauds, there's a, there's a letter of modern and historical frauds.

Benton: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: So, um, unfortunately [00:18:00] this is, kind of mixed in with that

Benton: Yeah.

Will & Karen: as far as people's perception.

Benton: what do you say to people that believe that what you do is evil?

Will & Karen: Evil.

Benton: Yeah.

Will & Karen: Um, I say. I say that whatever people think right now about the unseen world it's more complex than what people are learn, learned about it just like any other. Science always turns out to be more complex and, um, you have to take that into account because what you've been taught or what you believe is a very, very simplified version of, um, what it actually is.

And eventually it's gonna be discovered to be that I'm working on that.

Benton: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: yeah, that's what I tell them. I say, I just basically say you're, you're thinking of it in a very [00:19:00] simplified way. It's not scientific, but it will be. I, I for, for, I, I just created a a map unseen practice map, and I uploaded that to my Patreon.

And about 80% of the people who purchased it is, I don't know what this means. And I am like, well, it's basic as far as what this is. But that's what I tried to explain to them. And I also have to tell them that it's not evil, it's not satanic. As a matter of fact, it has nothing to do with any of that.

It's something completely different that historically had no contact with any of that.

Benton: Mm-hmm. Right. And in fact, the, the, the devil, Satan, all that,

Will & Karen: Has nothing to do with any of this.

Benton: No. In fact, it, it was, it was created long after Shinto Shinto, from what I understand, was the indigenous religion [00:20:00] of Japan thousands of years ago. That, that believe that of the, the, the divinity in all things. Right? So you are, you're dealing with, with far older ancient energies than the new 2000 year old. Demonic entities that were created by by the church leaders.

Will & Karen: Yes. Correct.

Benton: Yeah,

Will & Karen: So, yeah.

So yeah, I got one?

tried to, I tried, I tried to explain that to people. You know, people take with a take with it what they will. I remember I worked on a girl with a very bad stutter and I got rid of half of it. And she was so preoccupied, whether it was God or Jesus,

Benton: Oh, or the other like I told her, you gotta come back tomorrow so we could finish.

Will & Karen: I get rid of it. And she just didn't come back.

Benton: Wow. That's too bad.

Will & Karen: it is It is too [00:21:00] bad.

It is too bad.

Benton: what has been the most, I don't

Will & Karen: But of course there's something doing that to people.

So

Benton: Yeah, that's true. So, what has been like the, the most, I don't wanna say astounding results that you've had with someone.

Will & Karen: I don't helped you? I mean, I wish pe I wish more people would come.

Benton: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: I don't know. Just lots, lots. Some people won't even tell me, you know, I've brought people back from the brink. It really depends.

Benton: Wow.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Benton: So is there someone that you can't help?

Will & Karen: Yeah. It happens. It happens. Yeah. It happens Usually when it's, when it's that, it's usually because they came in way too late or because I'm not quite strong enough yet. It's not quite, it's rare, you know, I can't make people's limbs grow back, unfortunately. but I can do a lot. It's always good to get things early, [00:22:00]

like your little thing, right?

Didn't quite need as much as his mag magnetize or,

Benton: Hmm.

Will & Karen: you know, stuff in his lungs or the young guy. And, um, yeah, it were, this works very well with chemotherapy, uh, to be honestly, believe it or not, because it actually, it clears out the radiation poisoning easily and Wow. Um, it makes the chemotherapy do what it's supposed to theoretically do.

So it works very well with that.

yeah, believe it or not yeah, for one, for example, one guy told him it said, Hey man, I could help you, but you can have to take the chemo too. Because, just because how much time? The timeline,

Benton: Right.

Will & Karen: and he just didn't, he was like, oh, it's too expensive. I can't afford it, dude.

Benton: This is your life you're talking about here.

Will & Karen: [00:23:00] Yeah,

Benton: Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So now when doing my research on you this time around, 'cause the first time I had no idea who you were, we were just bringing you on this time, I was able to stalk you a little bit. And you've said before that the body stores trauma like a metaphysical sponge.

Can you explain how you see that relationship between energy, memory, and illness?

Will & Karen: yeah, sure. How many people have you ever met in your life who have had a bad relationship and use that as a perspective for all their future relationships?

Benton: I think everyone, yeah.

Will & Karen: Most people, so, so there's that. Yeah. So I mean, if they think that's the best example, that's something that people could quantify.

Benton: Alright. Mm-hmm. Well then do you, do you think that

Will & Karen: And those women take, and women take on more energy than men.

Benton: great? What is that?

Will & Karen: yin and Yang Yin receives,

Benton: oh.

So see, I give, [00:24:00] you're a giver. I'm a giver

Will & Karen: I mean, everyone has a mix.

Benton: it and take it.

Will & Karen: everyone has a mix of both,

Benton: right? Uhhuh? Yeah. Mm-hmm. So do you believe that some souls are meant to experience illness and things like that, or,

Will & Karen: No, no. No one's supposed to.

Benton: okay. Do you

Will & Karen: one's supposed to. That's a, that's a, I mean, although we do, but the idea like, oh, we choose like this experience to go through that. We're not supposed to have that. I mean, it is, it's what's happening now, but it's not supposed to be like that.

Benton: Alright. Well then do you think that all suffering is something we can release or are we meant to always have a little bit of that?

Will & Karen: no, I think it's something we can,

Benton: So do you feel that you have no suffering?

Will & Karen: I mean, it's getting better.

Benton: Yeah. So that's actually,

Will & Karen: [00:25:00] I deal with stuff. I deal with stuff all the time.

Right. I mean, don't think because I am doing this, that I don't have any resistance from stuff like it. It is noticed,

Benton: So can you, do you just work on yourself?

Will & Karen: of course. Yeah. I have to constantly, I have to start doing this certain thing every day that I don't really want to, 'cause it's gonna be so time consuming. I gotta do it.

Benton: Wow. Yeah. I would imagine you're in the situation where you're helping so many people, you're probably exposing yourself to a lot of bad energies. Mm-hmm. Yeah, do you have, do you do, like, you know, you hear about, you do a protective white light around you. Like how do you protect

Will & Karen: doesn't work.

Benton: So what, what do you do to protect yourself when you're working with people?

Will & Karen: I have to do, well, first you have to keep your, you have to keep yourself cleansed. You have to do self purification. Then I have this dragon thing. I [00:26:00] do. This dragon, right? I do. And that's the one I have to do every day. And I have to go to some shrines, do some stuff there,

Benton: Cool, cool.

Will & Karen: basically public,

Benton: Oh, wow. you know what I, you know what I love about you, Benton, is that you're very specific about what you're taught, what you say. Now you're very

Will & Karen: except with what I don't say. Right.

Benton: right? I gotta do some stuff. That's my point. Yeah. I'm not trying to be invasive. It's just like sometimes some information's too much too soon.

I totally understand that. Yeah. So when you are working with Shinto, is it you pulling the energies or are you calling on other. Beings or entities to work on the person that you're working on.

Will & Karen: a little of both. I, I'm the anchor, I'm anchoring it. I found one person else you could do. I found actually two, I know two other people. I found [00:27:00] one who can just kind of do it, who is actually really born with it, but to the point where you doesn't know anything about it, which is actually weakens it. And well, neither of 'em really know about what their stuff.

They don't know how to contextualize it, so they contextualize it. One of 'em contextualizes it with new age stuff and the other one. Kind of ignores all that new age stuff, which is better. But yeah,

Benton: So

Will & Karen: because he, he, he contextualizes it in his own experiences. The other guy, he listens to the people around him, so, and he's not gonna listen to one person telling him stuff.

Benton: Mm-hmm. Yep. So then when you're, when like these two guys when you're born with it and they don't know how to use it, how then do you learn about, about it?

Will & Karen: One of it, one of it one [00:28:00] person is, is a bit wild, so it just kind of comes out

Benton: Uhhuh.

Will & Karen: and he could control it, but it's sort of like that. So he is just able to do it. And one of 'em has this, like guides that they're really beings called r johns that are attached to his spine, telling him what to do.

Benton: wow.

Will & Karen: Yeah. A lot of people who ha a lot of people who think they're in communication with guides are actually attached to things attached to them that are feeding off of 'em.

Benton: Yeah, I remember that was something that we talked about the first time you were on. Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Benton: which freaked me out. But anyway very freaked out. How did you come across Chito or, I know that we said that it, it came to you, but how did you stumble on it? There's only three of you doing this that you've found

Will & Karen: I have a book about, I have a book about it.

Benton: It was an old tone that you found in some dusty library somewhere, or just, just some dude just wrote a book about it.

Will & Karen: What do you mean?

Benton: [00:29:00] Like,

Will & Karen: I mean, I wrote a book.

Benton: No, I know, I know you didn't. We'll talk

Will & Karen: I need to actually, if, yeah, I have to say if people are gonna looking for that now, it's not online. I'm gonna put it, I think I'm gonna put it back up soon though,

Benton: okay. Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: because someone was gonna basically just copy it if I kept it up.

Benton: Oh,

Will & Karen: So

I took it down for the time.

Benton: but I mean, like the, the book that informed you about Shinto, was it I mean, I don't, I don't, I doubt you'd found it on Amazon. Right? Like where, how did you stumble on this book?

Will & Karen: Well, you'd be surprised how many people write books with a lot of good information in it, in which they can just do themselves at a very subtle level, but it still works. So there's, there's that. But no, you'd be surprised how much stuff you could actually find on Amazon, which has some good stuff. And like I remember I read, there's one book I bought there for, I can't think of what it was, but the, uh, it's like, [00:30:00] uh, because I teach people, they come to my groups and things start opening up for 'em and they open up in different ways with different people.

And one of 'em is, um, you know, the ability to start seeing. Stuff with their kind of like inner vision. And this book was basically, the author was limiting. He's like, I'm writing this book, although, like, there might be like three people that are gonna be able to do any of it. So it was very, it was very nihilistic, which is kind of funny.

I

laughed when I read that. But he is like, okay. So a lot of people who do readings, they get all these different symbolic images in their mind's eye and they try to think of what it is and they can't figure it out. What you need to do is just like, make your own symbols and think about those and write them down and those will be communicated to you.

And I thought [00:31:00] about that and think, well, couldn't that be done with Chinese characters? And sure enough, it can be, and there's more meaning that way. It's even more accurate. Just because those are, it's, this writing system is both so old and it's infused into the art itself.

Benton: All right.

Will & Karen: So yeah. So that's just an example.

So yeah, I mean, it does, it's not discounting other people's work because there's good, there is good stuff and some of the stuff. And the thing is like, I think too, and I think the reason why I haven't been on a lot of magic podcasts or shows is because, it's, the results for people are usually very, very personal. Right. And they can't verify it outside of themselves. Right. So they can't you know, [00:32:00] they can't prove it. In other

Benton: Right. Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: Right. It's something that they have to prove to themselves, or they can't prove it. It's not something that they could prove to other people,

Benton: right. Right.

Will & Karen: so they can't say, Hey, check out my magic, you know, right now I'll make it work, work.

I, I could do that,

Benton: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: right? But since they can't, then, because there is some arrogance too, they won't, they won't humor it. I've actually had response responses where they look at everyone and just think everyone's crazy, or everyone's just pretending that they're feeling something or it's working.

Benton: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: But science doesn't even do that.

Benton: Yeah. No, and I think, I think that if you didn't listen to our first interview with Benton, I recommend you go back and listen to it because that, I think it gives you a really good [00:33:00] understanding of how, where we started. You've come a long way between then and now. Are you still, back in the day, back then, you, you did all these healings, I mean, dozens and dozens and dozens of healings, and you didn't charge anyone for anything.

H how, how does that, how has that. Gone for you.

Will & Karen: I still don't, once in a while I'll help someone so much, they'll send me something. So it's working how Find.

Benton: Let, so first of all, that's amazing. Yes. It's still, I was amazed then. I'm still amazed now that you actually take the time to do this because it was like bucketfuls of things, of healings that you would do and you wouldn't charge anyone anything. So, thank you for, for that. Yeah. And like I said earlier, I can't a hundred percent sure know that what you did is what helped me with my cancer.

You are sure it is. And I think that's great and I'm, because you're [00:34:00] so sure, I'm more inclined to believe that maybe it was, it was you, so, we're just gonna go with it. But that when you first offered to work on me, your words, I remember him very clearly, is. Oh, I've never tried to help anyone with cancer before.

Let me see what I can do.

Will & Karen: Oh yeah, it was a while. It was a while ago. Huh?

Benton: It was, it was a while ago. It was like almost four years ago Yeah. When this happened. So, do you feel more ready to help people with bigger deals? Like, like that?

Will & Karen: I do.

Benton: Yeah.

Will & Karen: do. Yeah. Yeah. They just have to come, they have to show up

and that's all they have to do is show up and we will, we do it from there. Show up and listen to me.

Benton: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: But yeah,

Benton: So when you say show up, is it just show up for your, to your YouTube

Will & Karen: show up for the things. Show up for the buildings you work on people one-on-one when I can. I [00:35:00] charge a little for that now. But people just come to the groups, so that's more of a thing. If they just want to send me some money, I'll say, I'll work on you one-on-one. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's fine.

It, it's fine

Benton: Okay.

Will & Karen: Now. People come, people come and they won't tell me that there's something going on, which they should, 'cause I could focus on it a little bit. And, and focusing on it is just a, is basically just a passive thought. So they could, telling me helps some people come up and think that they, what they have is just too big and it can't be helped.

Benton: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: Right. And

Benton: Yeah.

Will & Karen: it's just a matter of getting out there, I think. But again, I've had, I've had a lot of trouble with that. I've been rejected by two very big podcasts recently. Very disheartening.

Benton: Oh, sorry.[00:36:00]

Will & Karen: Yeah. They just, I, but to be fair, I don't even think they looked at any of the stuff I'm doing

Benton: Mm. I think, I think, you're probably right.

Will & Karen: I don't think they looked at it.

Because they just deal with people with big followings. They deal with a lot of talking,

Benton: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: and that's the, the scope of what they've experienced, unfortunately.

Benton: Yeah. Yep. Well, Benton, you always have a home here. Mm-hmm. You could always come back anytime, so.

Will & Karen: Oh, thank you.

Benton: since you do these live healings on YouTube, can you give us a taste of what that would be like here

Will & Karen: I can, yeah, sure,

Benton: do we need to do anything to prep for it or are we just

Will & Karen: No, we could do it.

Benton: Okay? Okay. Well the floor is yours then.

Will & Karen: Okay. Go ahead, I guess. Go ahead. Relax. Close your eyes. Breathe,

[00:37:00] lie down if you want anyone who's listening,

Will: All right. Hey there. This is, uh, future will editing the show. Coming in, stepping in for a quick second to let you know the healing session was much longer than what we put in this episode, but we didn't want to, Prevent you from listening to the rest of it. If you weren't in the position where you were ready to just [00:38:00] sit down, close your eyes, relax and get the feeling, get the, the benefits of the healing.

So we decided to cut it here and move forward to the point where he finished the, uh, the healing so that you can continue listening. But what we're doing is we are going to release just the healing section and everything that happened thereafter. On a future episode, if you tune in, depending on when you listen to the show, we usually release the, the show on Wednesday mornings, at least Wednesday mornings on the East coast of the United States.

But then on Monday morning, the following Monday, we release a bonus episode. Sometimes it's a classic episode. Sometimes it's one of the episodes that we did when we were live at Spirit Fest or something along those lines. Well, next Monday we're going to release just the healing section as a bonus episode so that you can take the time to really sit and listen and feel the full benefits [00:39:00] of the healing session because it is.

quite long and it is so worth it. Now, we're not talking hours long at all, but it's long enough where to sit and listen to him, speak Japanese for, uh, an extended period of time. It might lose your interest and we didn't wanna do that 'cause we want you to stick around for the rest of the episode. So if you're interested, check it out on Monday or depending when you're listening to this, it could already be out there for you to listen to as a follow up.

Um, but for the time being, we're gonna now rejoin the interview right after he finished the healing section so that you get the feeling of what, um, Karen and I felt afterwards for it. So, alright, thanks for listening and, uh,

Will: Hey there. We hope you're enjoying these conversations as much as we are. If you are and you feel called to give back what we invite you to visit our website@skepticme.com where you can donate to the show [00:40:00] or subscribe as a member through our buy me a coffee campaign. Your support will go a long way towards allowing Karen and I to bring you these wonderful conversations and teachings in more and more robust ways.

As always, thank you so much for listening. Let's go ahead and get on with the show.

Benton: So I gotta say, you scared the crap outta me when you came back on the microphone. I jumped outta my seat just about, but. What, what did you feel, Karen? Wow. First of all, that was so incredibly relaxing. And then all I could see was just like this little old Asian monk. Like, I mean, that's what like, that was like, I don't know if you were channeling someone or, but that's like what I was feeling. And then at one point it's like my head just went this way.

Like I, it was like being pulled in the right towards the right. I don't know what, I don't know what that was about, but that was wild. Was that [00:41:00] Japanese you were

Will & Karen: Mm-hmm.

Benton: speaking?

wow, that was beautiful. Well, people who have been watching or listening for a long time know that I'm kind of hit or miss on feeling things.

And I don't know if I'm supposed, and I asked you this the first time you worked on me. I don't know what, if I'm supposed to feel or what I'm supposed to feel. But I definitely felt something, I just don't know what it was. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it was definitely, it was, it was a pop palpable feeling. And we've had these things before on the show.

People have worked on us on the show just giving us a sample of stuff, and I don't know if I've felt it as strongly as I felt it now before, so. Whoa. Yeah. That was, that was wonderful. Thank you for that. Thank you.

Will & Karen: Welcome. Well, what'd you feel?

Benton: Well, let me think about this. I think it was like someone grabbed me and shook me and it shook all the tension out of me and like maybe drop into something and I was just [00:42:00] floating. And then there was a time where I kind of was coming back up and then I got pulled back down again. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Will & Karen: Yeah, sure,

Benton: Sure. Have you, have you heard that before?

Will & Karen: sure. I mean, I hear all kinds of things. So is I think this is a good time for everyone who's, who did that and participated. Let everyone know what you felt in the comments.

Benton: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I love that. Definitely. If you felt something and well just now, just please go ahead and, and lay that down

Will & Karen: So two things happen when I do this on shows. Either people, they don wanna participate or they just kind of stare. I'm like nothing's gonna happen. And they just don't do it.

Benton: Yeah. They don't do it right.

Will & Karen: Yeah. A lot of people don't do it. They don't do it.

Benton: Wow. Well, I, we probably should have put a, a disclaimer before he did it. I might have to do it and then edit it later. If you're in a car or you, you're not in a [00:43:00] place where you can actually listen to this and actually participate, don't just put a, just stop it for a second.

Go home, get into your bed and then play it again. So, yeah. So that leads me to my question then. If someone is listening to this after the fact, after you, you know, air it, is it going to still have the same effect that we felt live or,

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Benton: okay. That's awesome. Awesome.

Will & Karen: That one person played in their car or played me in their car and someone merged into 'em and their car just bounced off

Benton: wow. So you're not saying to go ahead and listen to it in the car

Will & Karen: I mean, I'm not, but I'm saying you can, it won't put you to sleep,

Benton: you've got some, some protection. Wow, that's, that is cool. Wow. But I wouldn't want to, 'cause it's just like in this

incredibly

Will & Karen: you, it won't put, it won't put you, to sleep when you're driving, but it'll relax you.

Benton: But I think you wouldn't be able to enjoy it as much if you having to focus on the road somewhat, you know? Right, right. So did you feel anything when you were working on us is

Will & Karen: I always do.

Benton: and so what, okay.

What did you feel? [00:44:00] Benton? Yeah.

Will & Karen: just like gum, it feels like, uh, force field expanding outward.

Benton: Wow.

Will & Karen: I felt. It feels like the Q push.

Benton: yeah. That's cool. So maybe what, what I felt was his, she, she's cheek pushing me down into a hole, maybe.

Will & Karen: Okay.

Benton: Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. Do you get any messages or anything? Like, do you know if there's anything happening inside of one of us that, that,

Will & Karen: Not necessarily. I, I never know what people are gonna feel.

Benton: Yeah. Mm-hmm. But like,

Will & Karen: I might know what's happening, but I, yeah,

Benton: Yeah. Do, do you see the energies working on the particular part of a body or,

Will & Karen: yes, I do that If I,

Benton: you do.

Will & Karen: if I target something, I mean, I could only look at one per, I could only look at one place at once,

Benton: Sure. I mean, you've got two eyes, Benton, come on. One on [00:45:00] each.

Will & Karen: So it's like, so people ask me, did you see anything? It's like, and I mean, it's, I could see one thing at a time.

Benton: Yeah. They wanna know if there's those spine sucker things. Spine sucker things. What do you call 'em? Art? Archons.

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Benton: Yeah. Yeah.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Most people, yeah. Most people have 'em if people have some type of psychic gift or they're very strong and they usually have more

Benton: Wow.

Will & Karen: off of them. Yeah,

Benton: Oh, well.

Will & Karen: of course. Some of them, I don't have any of those things like, yeah, you do. I had them and it drove me crazy trying to get rid of it,

Benton: wow. So, so it sounds like it's it's much easier for me to do now. But then it was like, these things are coming off. They would come back until they did it so.

[00:46:00] Yeah. Wow. So it sounds like you're saying that, uh, these icons are like crabs. Everyone's got 'em

Will & Karen: Yeah, basically. me. Well, not everyone, people that are very, very cullable, they tend don't not have 'em because other peoples are on control.

Benton: oh, wow. Man, that explains an awful lot, I think.

Will & Karen: yeah, yeah. It does. It does.

Benton: Well,

Will & Karen: But there's other things too. It's not just those, there's a lot of different things and so don't get it. I don't want people to get me wrong. It's endless. And I, I, I deal, I deal with a lot of these stupid ETS now.

Benton: Oh wow.

Will & Karen: Yeah. I deal with a lot of those and it's not fun

Benton: Yeah. Wow. That's, that's, that's like a little scary. Like what else is, you know, climbing on you.

Will & Karen: through the. I mean, I, these, [00:47:00] I think, yeah, I, uh, I get into it. I mean, we can if you want, but, um, yeah. These, these stupid ets, they, they interfere a lot. They don't want me healing people or removing stuff,

Benton: Oh wow. So, I mean, I think we need to have you back to talk about that, but Yeah. So I, outta curiosity, are you talking, 'cause we hear there's all kinds of races of no, there's not, it's just the same one. And they're, they're pretending to be those ones to, to compromise, to infiltrate people better.

wow. Okay. Oh, we definitely have to Yes. Have you back to talk about that stuff. 'cause that goes completely the opposite of everything else you were, but, uh, so, okay. Un unfortunately, we're, we're, we're out of time. We were already at the hour mark, but, wow. Question for you.

Will & Karen: Sure.

Benton: If, if someone wanted to participate in your healing sessions mm-hmm.

Or reach out to you to do a one-on-one session or learn from you, what's the best way for someone reach to reach out [00:48:00] to you?

Will & Karen: just go to my channel. I'm there every single night, 8:30 PM Pacific. Mostly I'm a little sporadic now since I just moved and the times are different

Benton: Right.

Will & Karen: and I'm getting my, my schedule. or they could just go to esoteric shinto.com or benton ryer.com and find the links to Ben Book a session.

I don't charge a lot for, I only charge $60 for a one on one session,

Benton: Cool. That's great.

Will & Karen: and, and I try to, they try to stay as accessible to everyone. And when it comes to teaching, like, I. I don't want people to expect too much because to get anywhere requires a lot of purification

Benton: right? Yeah,

Will & Karen: people have instant expectations.

But of course there's something to in that, to them.

Benton: [00:49:00] course. So well, Benton, it was. Truly a pleasure to see you again. And I do think we need to get you back on to talk about all the dark stuff, because that'll be like a skeptic. Musician's after dark, it'd be totally different feed, but in the dark in Oh no, we don't wanna be in the dark. We wouldn't be able see him.

Oh, that's true. We, we couldn't see him the first time. We gotta Oh, that's true. We gotta keep seeing him. So, Thank you for coming on Benton, it was a pleasure having you on the show.

Again, thank you so much for coming and, and and sharing of your wisdom with us. Yeah.

Will & Karen: You are welcome anytime, any time.