How to Unlock Your Intuition (Even If You’re a Total Skeptic!)

Will & Karen: [00:00:00] Karen? Yes. Quick poll. Okay. If Intuit, that was fast. Oh, that was fast.

But no. Okay. Start again. Karen. Yes. Quick poll. Yes. If intuition was a college course, do you think I'd be A, a, valedictorian B, barely scraping by with a C minus or C, the guy who accidentally enrolled thinking it was intro to Italian cooking. Well, am I the teacher? I don't know that I matters which one it is, but, well, I mean, it kind of does because maybe I would think you were like a C but you're kind of cute, so I'd bump you up.

Wow. I don't know that. I like that. Well, well, the good news is No, you should. Okay. I, I, well, then I do, no, the, the good news is that, uh, Karen, today's guest mm-hmm. Has the real syllabus. Oh. Mm-hmm. she isn't just intuitive. She's basically the dean of spiritual awesomeness. Wow. Uh, she's a professional medium, a [00:01:00] transformational leader, a founder of the award-winning Sage Method, and the author of Cracking Open Adventures of a Reluctant Medium. I like that. Opens up all kinds of possibilities. Right. Well, she's here to teach us how to actually connect with our intuition. No crystal ball required to grab your notebooks, folks. Spiritual school is in session. You always laugh at me. I know. Should I have dropped it down to like a B minus? Well, I mean, I was hoping for a B or something, but Jeez. C God. Okay. All right. Here we go.

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Will & Karen: Hey there, I'm Will. And I'm Karen. Welcome back to another powerful packed episode of the Skeptic positions. I gotta figure out another P thing.

'cause it just, it just doesn't go, the alliteration just drops dead in the after the powerful and packed, but, and you don't wanna say pungent. That doesn't really work. No, I tried, I thought about that, but no, that's, that's, that's positive. It's only me when, um, say plethora of P words. You know, maybe you should introduce the show Anyway, thankfully, today's guest [00:04:00] is the real professor of Intuitive awesomeness.

Isabel Maxwell, or just Beau, if you wanna sound cool, is a professional, medium, internationally recognized spiritual teacher and the creator of the award-winning sage method. She actually started out super logical. Math chemistry full on science brain. Until one life altering experience cracked her wide open to the world of spirit.

And now with nearly 20 years of experience under her belt, Bo has helped thousands of people awaken their intuition in real powerful, practical ways. Like I mentioned before, she's also the author of Cracking Open Adventures of a Reluctant Medium, the hilarious and heartfelt story of how even the most reluctant among us can find your spiritual calling.

Needless to say, I am all ears today, so sharpen those pencils and open those third eyes because spiritual schools officially and session. Welcome to the show, Bo Maxwell. How are you doing today, Bo?

Beau: I am fantastic. I am so. So excited to meet the two of [00:05:00] you because your podcast, it's just numby. It's like, yeah, this has been a good day.

Will & Karen: lemme just clear you say Numby or Numby, like, like make people numb. 'cause that would be bad.

Beau: Yeah, that would be bad. No, I'm, I'm talking about like Chef Kiss Delicious. Yeah.

Will & Karen: nummy. Yeah.

I know too. I think,

Beau: Yeah.

Will & Karen: that before. Thank you. No, yeah, that's, that's probably one of the best compliments we've ever had. It is. Well, thank you for that.

Beau: Oh, thank you. Thank you for having me.

Will & Karen: Well, it's a pleasure. Uh, we've been looking forward to this for a while. we've talked a lot about intuition. Mm-hmm. And we've done deep dives on all kinds of stuff. And would think after four years of doing the show, meditating every day talking to all these kinds of people, my intuition would flipping open up already.

So, what am I doing wrong? Wham. Yeah,

Beau: There's, there are some key components [00:06:00] to opening up intuition and. Uh, they can be really big game changers, but they're very simple and I have foundational tools, uh, that I teach students, uh, like focusing in on where are you actually looking and what are you actually looking for? You know, we can get pretty caught up in the solid world and I can elaborate on any of these.

Uh, do you take care of your energetic body? Meaning do you, uh, pay attention to how you're absorbing energy every day? And you know how things are affecting you, not only physically but energetically. Uh, then you can start to sort of set some boundaries and clear out your space, clear your head. Are you decluttered in life?

Are you a thinker? 'cause that's me. I'm a thinker, so I have to take extra steps to get out of my own way.

Will & Karen: Right.

Beau: Which, you know, which do you get in your own way? That kind of thing. And waiting for it too is, is also [00:07:00] sometimes limiting. That's a kicker. That's a kicker. It, it takes patience to experience something, but I don't have patience.

So that was one of my hurdles too.

Will & Karen: It's like you're talking directly to me now, Bo. So do you think because I've always just placed it at the foot of the fact of I just my male energy, is it more difficult for guys to tune into their intuition than women?

Beau: I really wanna say no, but I'm gonna say yes and I'm sorry for saying yes to that one. All you guys out there, men are that masculine energy because we've all got masculine energy, we all feminine energy. I've got pretty even keel myself, pretty even split. But masculine energy wants to solve it. Wants a plan, wants a schedule, wants to solve it, wants a complete answer, and wants it to happen in a pattern, wants it lined up.

There needs to be some sort of a, a path, [00:08:00] right?

Will & Karen: I must be a guy

you just, you

just explained me to a T. Like if look up Will in a dictionary and you see the, that's exactly what's what. It's okay. So sorry. Female energy on the

other hand.

Beau: Yeah. And, and female energy on the other hand can just submerse in something to see what happens. Uh, so that's really the state of being we need to be in to access fully. Uh, so here's an analogy. This is one of my favorite ones. Intuition is like a, a hallway. Your intuitive channel is like a hallway. And at the end of the channel or the end of the hallway is a mail carrier with your intuitive message, and that mail carrier needs to walk down the hallway to give you that message.

So some of the things that block intuition fit into this analogy ridiculously well, the clutter in your life if that hallway's cluttered. The mail carrier has to get through the clutter, right? If, [00:09:00] uh, you need that hallway organized, ran, structured, it needs, you know, the way that you need it to be, that mail carrier needs to figure that out and go through those hoops to be able to get through the hallway instead of just letting them show up when they wanna show up how they wanna show up, delivering what they want to deliver.

So intuition is one of those things that you just gotta let it. Be sub. You just have to let yourself be submersed in it in order to get the actual answer. And it has to also be okay to be gray and not black and white and not all the details. And those are the things that we have a really tough time with.

I can speak to this because before I opened up. I am just like you will. I need the answers. There needs to be a plan. We need to have this step by step. Here's the information that I think I need. That's another very masculine trait, and when we let go of all that, that's when we can access it with more ease.

Will & Karen: Mm. And [00:10:00] I wonder also how much of it has to do with society. You know, men shouldn't be in touch with their feelings or open to the woo because that's, you know, that's very feminine. That's weak. That's. Different. That's whatever. So I think you might have subconscious this, this ideal of how a man should be physically and psychically.

Great. So what I'm hearing you both say is that I am out of luck. Screwed.

Got

Beau: You're not outta luck, you just have to take a couple extra steps. That's it. And Karen, I am completely in alignment with exactly what you said. Men were raised to be right, and they have to know what they're doing, and they have to be able to do any task that's put in front of them. And that's kind of part of the programming that they're raised with.

And so. Being in a space to receive intuitive information is being in a very vulnerable space. It would be like asking a guy to walk into a room of 10 people and they're [00:11:00] all giving their opinions and he can't say anything and it's on the topic he knows about, right

Will & Karen: that's like

Beau: Does. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that energy, because.

Men have that provider feel that need to, uh, help. So if you have a, uh, an accountant, male accountant walk into a room and everyone's given their opinions on money, they wanna help, they wanna go, Hey, what about this? What about this? What about this? So they wanna interject, whereas. Receiving intuitive information, you need to just be, and you need to kind of put yourself in that thought process to the side and just be kind of removed from linear time really.

Will & Karen: You know, and that also would explain maybe why you don't like surprise parties. Guys don't tend to like surprise parties as much as women do. 'cause we're just used to whatever's gonna happen, you know? And, and I love surprises. But you're not a big surprise guy. No, I just get, it gets [00:12:00] embarrassing. I just know, you know.

Surprise. Oh great. Here we are. I'm like, yes.

Beau: Yes, yes. I don't like them either. I think this is why I ended up being the poster child for opening your intuition because if I could do it, anyone can do it. 'cause I'm really wired I that way. I need a plan. If I know something that I think will help, I'm gonna explain it. So it's like, um, and I need an outcome and I need a goal and I need all those types of things.

And I'm just wired that way. I. I was a ma. I took mathematics in college. I have a math degree, you know, and so the hurdles that I had to overcome are the hurdles that help, you know, the things that I've learned or the things that help my students today. So I'm grateful for that.

Will & Karen: I guess that's probably why when in meditation, that's when I start getting like the eureka moments. Like, oh,

Beau: Yeah.

Will & Karen: ego to step outta the way and, and I get these things. Which brings up another, the next question in my journey of intuition. [00:13:00] do you know that it's your intuition and not just me making stuff up?

Beau: Oh, the intuition versus imagination. Battle of all battles. Yeah, that's a tough one. I, at first you don't, I. And that's not the my favorite answer.

Will & Karen: that's not, doesn't, that's not very helpful over there, bro. But that's so

true because

Beau: Thanks for having me on the show. It's been great. Yeah.

Will & Karen: sometimes you're just not. Yeah. And you know you are. And I'm, I know. I know

Beau: Yeah.

Will & Karen: you are. Well, she said I'm a guy, right. We're, we're, we're raised to be. Right. She said that was her words, not mine.

Beau: Raise to want to be. Right. Let's clarify.

Will & Karen: to. You said to be right. Rewind the tape beyond my story.

All right?

Beau: No, it's in the beginning. It's difficult because it really comes from the same process. And what I tell people to start with is, well, first off, jot stuff down that comes through if you're not sure. If it's intuition or not, write it down [00:14:00] somewhere. When it shows up later proves itself, then you can, you can go back and review that.

But a couple things that I tell people is number one. Imagination is a push and intuition is a pull. And when you can start to feel those subtle differences between the two, uh, that's when you can start to delineate between the two. Where was I thinking about that already? And then something else popped in.

That's probably your imagination. But did it come outta left field? And I have no idea where that came from. That's probably, uh, intuition. So. The pushing into your imagination is you creating versus you receiving. And it's a very subtle difference at first, but soon, um, it becomes more and more clear.

Here's another one. You can, upon receiving an intuitive inf piece of information, you can wipe the slate clean. You can wipe it all away. Say thank you for the message. Uh, if that was my intuition, can you please repeat it? Here's the thing. We have teams [00:15:00] on the other side. We have guides, we have loved ones, we have ancestors.

It's called all these different things all over the globe, right? And they want you to get the message. So it's not like you're alone in this isolation chamber and you're just hoping to hear what you're supposed to hear. They really want you to get the message. So it is okay to say to them, can you repeat that for me?

It will help me to feel if that was intuition, they actually will. They actually will. And when we ask for signs, we're not gonna get 'em all the time because when we ask for the signs, we're not supposed to get, we don't right. But when we set structures up to say, Hey, can you help me with this? Here's an unusual one.

And actually it's not too unusual. So I'm a medium, I lean very heavy on the medium side, not so much on the, um, psychic side. And at first, uh, when I was first doing readings, someone would come into, a spirit would come into the room and I'd take time to figure out. Where they landed in the family, our mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, et cetera, et cetera.

And then I [00:16:00] finally came up with an idea one day and I said to the, to my guides, can you help me out with this? Can we do like a bowling pin pattern? Right? So the client is the head pin. And then mom, I want to the left, dad to the right and then grandma, grandpa, grandma, and, and maybe that'll help. And they started doing it.

So now when a loved one comes in and they're standing two rows behind, dad, I know it's their great-grandfather. So little things.

Yeah. And, and that was my request. So we can recru, we request these structures to say, Hey, I need a little help. And they're gonna, and they're gonna help because they want you to get what they're trying to send you.

Will & Karen: Gotcha. I learned something, something else on this conversation. that I have the most frustrated spiritual team in the world. Thanks, Bo.

Beau: You're so welcome. Um, I think, I think they're probably hanging out with my team somewhere because my team goes through it with me [00:17:00] all the time, but yeah.

Will & Karen: So in his introduction, will said that something happened that cracked you wide open.

Beau: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: was it? Or is

that for the

Beau: Well it was, uh, yeah, it's what I wrote about in the book. The book is the first two years of my development. 'cause it was awkward and, uh, interesting. So I was 32. And uh, I was in New Hampshire and my grandmother was in Minnesota, so a couple thousand miles apart. And my grandmother was passing, she was in hospice and she was like my mom, but I couldn't financially get there.

So on a plane. So I was on the phone with family and they were in the hospice room, so I was at least kind of there. She passed, hung up the phone, came out in the living room, you know, the family took off to go to the grocery store to get chocolate and wine 'cause that's. They were nice to me and uh, I was standing there.

It was the middle of the afternoon. I was standing there trying to figure out [00:18:00] do I book my flight or do I fall apart while they're gone? Like, I was just trying to manage my time. I need a plan. This was who I am. And, uh, she showed up in front of me. About 10 feet in front of me. She was standing sideways and she was about 70% solid.

And I did not have a joyous reaction to it it's scared the. It scared the socks off me. I remember jumping back and screaming, and she turned and looked at me and winked and smiled, and then disappeared like in front of me. And up until this point, I was a complete skeptic. It was all frauds.

It wasn't, it wasn't real. I didn't even bother with it. Like I had no religion. I didn't bother with any of it, and all I had was ghost stories in my head. And then I remember saying something like, [00:19:00] if that was, you don't ever do that again. And then I remember feeling guilty about saying that, and then I. I said it's, it was a hallucination.

It is grief. I'm good. We're good. I say nothing. We all go to bed. We wake up the next morning. My husband at the time says to me, this is so bizarre, but I had this super realistic dream about your grandmother, and she was wearing this blue shirt and it was buttoned down short sleeve. He described to a T what she was wearing when she showed up.

In my living room the day before, and I went, huh, maybe there's something to this. And then I'm like, no, no. So if I have to be brutally raw and honest, I just wanted her back. I just wanted her back. And so I'm like, well, I'm pretty skilled at, uh, deducing things, so I'm gonna prove that this is true or not true.

And then the, the. It started, it was true. She started giving me proof that I couldn't [00:20:00] deny. Like, like messed up. Messed up. And I don't mean messed up in a bad way, I just mean like it messed with my head. Uh, I went to therapy for a year.

Will & Karen: Wow.

Beau: Um, slowly started to get the courage to talk to the people that, um, were outside of my circles.

And next thing I knew, I said to a friend. I met a friend and she was with another friend, and her dad in spirit showed up. This is the first time I ever read a person, and so I've got living friend, my living friend in front of me. Her friend next to her and her deceased dad shows up and he was five foot two.

And my friend said, how's it going? How are you feeling? Okay. Because she knew and then she told her friend, and I said, yeah, it's weird. I'm seeing people all the time now. I said like, there's a guy standing right next to you and he is like five foot two. And she just started sobbing. She's like, that's my dad.

And I was [00:21:00] like, okay. So then she asked for a reading and then another asked for a reading another, another, another, another. And I had been working with a spirit guide, um, and see if somebody said that to me 25 years ago, I'd be like, oh yeah. Spirit guide. Yeah. Do you have a, you've got an imaginary friend there, don't ya?

So, um. But I was been, I worked with a spirit guide that I met after my grandmother, and I worked with him for about two years. And he was the one that, uh, taught me what I needed to do, uh, needed to let go of how to hold myself, uh, mentally, um, to be able to do these readings and to do the work. So now here I am.

Two years out working professionally as a reader. 'cause that's what I thought I was supposed to do. And my guide said to me, I need you to take everything that I taught you and I need you to bring it out into the world. And I said, yes sir, I will. And that's the sage method.

Will & Karen: Hmm. We're gonna talk about that for a second, but we're kindred. So I think, I feel like I can speak

to you

Beau: Yes.

Will & Karen: this, right? Um, [00:22:00] when you say you see them, right? Because

there's nothing that I would love more than to have that kind of that this stuff is truly real.

Right. I, I

Beau: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: uh, I've, there's been some experiences, but I've never seen somebody, I've never spoken to anyone.

I've never like, nothing like I've never asked or project like I've never done or seen anything that has made me go, I. Well, son of a, but that's true that, that there's no way around that one.

Right. Would you

Beau: there it's.

Will & Karen: like that? I would, I totally would if that happened to me. Wow. I'll tell you my spirit guys.

If you, if you make something happen, I will change my voice. No, but, but so like from one skeptic to another, right? what do you mean you see these people like you see them? Or is it in your mind? See them?

Beau: [00:23:00] This. Do you know how good of a question this is? It's ridiculous how incredible this question is because people aren't talking about this, and this is a huge block because there's an expectation. So someone sees someone like me say, I saw this, and then I saw him and I saw he was five foot two. And there is an idea because the way that people per talk about it.

It makes it sound like what you would see in a movie, right? Ghost town. One of my favorite movies. But anyway, um, that's the perception. And then so while people are waiting for that to happen, they're having these other things. So I gonna absolutely describe to how I see because it's not what people think and that's happening already.

You're already seeing, but you don't know it 'cause you're looking for something else. So how I see is, uh, first if a spirit comes into the room, I first feel like someone's in the room, but I [00:24:00] don't see anything. So I need to kind of disconnect from the agreed upon reality is how I say it. And I just sort of, you know, defocus kind of let the world around me fall away and then I see them in, uh, like a heat pattern.

So, you know, like heat wave over the road. Imagine if that comes up into the form of a person and then I need to focus in on that heat pattern. And then sometimes they come a little bit into like I can kind of, I. Make out what they look like. Most of the time it's just, um, the things that they show me.

Like, it's almost like they come in closer to show me how tall they are, or they'll come in closer to show me what they're wearing for clothes. But it is not like now. I'm gonna compare this to my grandmother. It's not like that moment. So there are two really different phenomenons happening here. We have moments where we see spirit it almost [00:25:00] solid, if not solid.

And I have had that happen. I. A handful of times. I've been doing this for 20 years, so how I describe how it happened with my grandmother, it's only happened to me a couple more times since then. Every time since then, it's been like a a vague heat wave kind of. Visual And it is outside of myself probably.

'cause I've got, you know, personal space boundaries mentally. But, um,

Will & Karen: Right.

Beau: I'm like super private. Like, you can stay there. You're good. You can stay there. I you don't have to come close. There's no Whoopi Goldberg going on here. I'm, I'm all set. Um, but. When I do see, and a lot of people see, uh, within their mind, within their third eye, so they, uh, close their eyes.

That's a way to defocus. This is a key point we're we start looking everywhere. Like if you see something outta the corner of your eye, you turn and look and there's nothing. And I can tell you exactly why. Sorry. [00:26:00] Yes. And I.

Will & Karen: I.

remember, the dog was barking. That's right. And he wouldn't go upstairs. And I walked upstairs and like I for a second saw like some dude on the stairs and I looked and he wasn't there. Then I'm like, all right, if someone's here, you gotta move off the stairs.

'cause the dog's afraid.

Beau: Yeah, you're freaking out the dog.

So what's happening there is your peripheral is defocus. So when you turn, your eyes are searching the material world, you're look, your eyes are focused on the wall, on the stairs, on the door, searching in the material world for what you saw that's not in the material world.

So spirit, uh, ghosts all, I mean, however you wanna describe it. That resides in the spaces in between the molecules, not in the solid. So once we conceptualize that, it's a big one, Karen. It really is. 'cause once you, mm-hmm. Once you realize that and you go, oh, I'm not looking for anything, I actually have to sort of relax my.[00:27:00]

My vision, it's why scrying crystal ball. I, I don't have a crystal ball, but you know, we, there's all those jokes about crystal balls and stuff, but they're real and they do work because they pull you away from the solid world. Now, um, one more thing I do wanna say, because I know a lot of people say I can't see, I can't see, I can't see even with my eyes closed when I get, uh, like an image or, or a vision with my eyes closed.

It doesn't look like a, something you'd see on a television screen. Imagine a room and it's very, very dimly lit, and there's a table in the middle of the room and there's an apple sitting on the middle of the table and you can kind of make out that it's an apple, but you can't quite see it. It's not shiny, bright red.

That's how I see. And I know it's an apple because my intuition, the knowing part says that's an apple. So when people are seeing things, they barely see them, but they know what they're looking at. So once they [00:28:00] relax into that and go, okay, I'm gonna bring this bar way down, then they'll realize that they've been seeing all along.

Will & Karen: so then when you talk about doing a reading, you

know, so,

Beau: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: you saw the, the guy that was five two. Do you, do you talk to them? Like what is, as far as getting a reading, what does that involve? Is it just, I see this person, they're here with you, they seem happy? Or is it like more detailed information is, are you transferring messages?

Beau: Uh, I transfer messages to them, whatever they wanna show me. Here's where that masculine feminine thing comes in. If I push to find out what I wanna find out, I. It just fades. If I am good and I, I know my place and I stay in my lane, and I just say, okay, whatever you wanna tell me, that's when more comes through.

And so I simply repeat. What I'm seeing, feeling and hearing, [00:29:00] and this will tell you how long I've been doing this. You know what my original analogy was, was a phone cord. I'm just a phone cord and I'm like, I know one day I'm not gonna be able to use that analogy anymore. But it's, it's true. If you're on a call, on a call with your aunt, the medium should be just the phone cord telling you exactly what she's saying.

So. And, and it's not necessarily word for word. Sometimes it's they're showing me this or they're showing me that, or they're showing me this. But if you give spirit, uh, ancestors, loved ones, guides, if you give them the floor, you're gonna get a hundred times more information.

Will & Karen: So is the defocusing that you're

talking about, is

Beau: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: in the day the magic eye puzzles where

you just

Beau: Yes.

Will & Karen: defocus, all of a sudden the, the image pops out at you? Is it kind of like that?

Beau: Yeah. And you know what people talked about after that? I keep seeing stuff outta the corner of my eye. It's like, yeah. So it's exactly like that. [00:30:00] It's exactly like that. Um, here's a fun one. I had a student, just one of the most wonderful women I've ever met. She was, uh, learning to use her intuition and she contacted me and she said, I have to tell you this story, but it's a little awkward.

I said, go for it. She said, every time it's this started and I don't know what to do at work. I go to the restroom that has stalls and in front of me on the stall, I'm starting to see things. And I was like, okay, that's d just delicious and, and fun. And she goes, yeah. And now. And now she, I said, she says, now I'm getting in trouble 'cause I'm taking too long a bathroom breaks.

'cause she's like, 'cause I'm starting to, so she's uh, you know, they call it scrying. Where you relax your vision into, um, a shiny surface. And that's what she was looking at. It, it was, I think blacks, black or gray stalls, and it was shiny. There's people that sry into mirrors, people that sry into like a, a bowl of water.

Anything to [00:31:00] get you to relax your vision is what gets you to kind of let go of the material world.

Will & Karen: I had not heard of SC crying before. Really? All these interviews are done. I don't think anyone's ever talked about it. Oh, I, I think you misunderstood. You thought they were crying,

but there was

Beau: Cry.

Will & Karen: mean, that's possible, but it actually, you, you triggered a memory in me right now, and we've talked about it on the show a little bit, but back in the day when I was first training with a guru. My guru's name is

Larry, but

Beau: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: don't laugh, but, but he was, you know, teach me different things. Chad. No, it was, it was Larry. It was actually Larry. Uh, and um, he did say, 'cause I, 'cause I, I, it just, it just struck me. 'cause that shimmery thing that you're talking about, the heat vision thing. As I'm looking at him, it, there was a, I think it was, it was kind of dark. Uh, he was up against a white wall, and I could see his image around him, like his image, like his shimmery thing around him. And I said, oh, I think I, I think I can kind of see your [00:32:00] aura. He goes, oh yeah, well, uh, tell me what it does now. And he just kind of closed his eyes and I went, whoa, because I saw this thing shoot up.

Right. But it was like this shimmery thing. It wasn't like a color, it wasn't anything. So ever since then. If I defocus my eyes on a, just a flat surface, I can kind of see the shimmery things. I don't see colors, but I've always thought, oh yeah, I could see auras. What am I seeing?

Beau: The space is in between.

Will & Karen: That's a little scary.

Beau: Yeah, it's kind of fun too.

Yeah. We, we tend to think of, um, I like to use the word source because I've got students all over the globe, so people all different, uh, this age method doesn't align with any one particular path. It's kind of like a giant toolbox. And I like to use the word source, but people tend to think source is over there or you know that when we pass, we go there, we go to a different location.

But [00:33:00] for me, my understanding at this point is that the world is built within source. And if you look at, if you look at just the structure of molecules, there's more space than there are. Molecules and so we're never, you know, we've heard we're never really touching anything because there's all that space and that's where they reside.

That's where they are. They don't come to visit us. They don't, um, I. Travel. It's not anything like that. It's a matter of if they allow their vibration to lower enough for our vibration to hot, you know, raised up to be able to connect with them. So it's more like they take a deep breath and it pulls 'em closer.

Toss, I guess

Will & Karen: But do they breathe though? I mean, sorry, I have

to go there.

Beau: I'd have to say no, that one. Yeah.

Will & Karen: That'd be you.

No,

Beau: Yeah. Yeah.

Will & Karen: Um, so then, so you hear about then spirits like [00:34:00] hauntings and the, they're trapped, these energy,

Beau: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: trapped here. If it's all together.

Beau: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: Are they just somehow trapped in a lower vibration within the same plane between the spaces?

Beau: Exactly, exactly. Their vibration is just still very low. When you hear someone talk about, uh, going through the transition process, 'cause I've done crossing over work for. All, almost the 20 years. That was one of the first things that I started to do with that guide that I was working with. Um, their vibration is just very low and they go through their transition process.

So we have three bodies. We've got the physical body, we have the spiritual body, which is like the soul I. Whatever you wanna call that. Uh, we have Then the third body is the programming body, which is our mind on linear time. It's, hi, my name is Bo, right? I'm here. It's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. So we have these three bodies and what happens when we, when we die is that the physical body will release from [00:35:00] the other two.

What that means is the physical body, which has kept us at a very low vibration, is now disconnected, so our vibration starts to increase. When we're going through what people call the InBetween, uh, there's a whole bunch of different terms for that, but I call it the InBetween when we're going through that.

You are the exact same person you were when you were on earth. You just don't have a physical body. Now, as your vibration increases, the programming body is going to also disconnect because it can only be at a particular vibration. This is. Uh, sort of a description of the crossing over process. So when someone, oh, you just try, like, this is one of my favorite topics, Karen, so I'm like, but when somebody, uh, is crossing over, which is an absolute automatic pathway, it's, you've heard people come back from near death experiences and say, it was just a draw.

I mean, it just automatically pulled me toward this incredible light. Like [00:36:00] all those stories. People can get stuck in the in-between, but it's almost always voluntarily pausing, you know, pushing stop and being just saying, hold on, hold on, hold on. And it usually has to do with fear. So when we have what people call hauntings or ghost, that in essence is a person the exact same.

It's it's bill. You know Bill is Bill, he is still the same bill he was before. He is just not limited with a body anymore.

Will & Karen: I love the way that you explain things. Mm-hmm. 'cause it makes, makes sense to my brain. So I all the more reason to understand we are kindred in that sense. But I think we, we, we really wanna talk about your sage method because you help. A lot of people

with this,

Beau: Yeah.

Will & Karen: how did you design it? What is it? How does it work, and how can we get in on it?

Beau: So if we go back to the, to when I first opened up, [00:37:00] uh, and I met my first spirit guide. That was the first heat wave that I ever saw happened to be a, in a friend's, uh, backyard kind of foresty area, which was odd. I was leaving their house and I went, there's someone out there, and I was drawn. And I, so I kept coming back and I kept, uh, talking to him.

Like I said, I worked with him for two years and he had me work on certain aspects of my life, certain things that I needed to learn and understand. Uh, like, you know, the other side is not on linear time. What does that mean? It means that all of our lifetimes are all happening at once. I went through two years of this kind of schooling, you could say.

And, uh, when he said, put it all together and bring it out into the world, I was like, you want me to teach someone for two years? Like I can't. And, and I paired it down into like the core teachings. 'cause I had been journaling through the whole thing and I paired it down to the core teachings that he taught me and it really [00:38:00] kind of ended up being three sections.

It did end up being seven weeks. I have not been able to. Shrink it down. So it is a seven week course. I mean, it's the small, it's the shortest period of time I could get it done in, but it really says, what is your programming? Who are you really? Uh, this is how the spirit world works. Like some of the stuff we've been talking about here is just the tip of the iceberg, and then there's a whole series kind of sprinkled throughout, but then at the end there's a, a big series of experiments that holds you in different ways and, and spaces intuitively so that you can explore how you're wired uniquely.

So some of the core. Reasons, I believe that the course worked so well and it ended up spreading like wildfire, and here I am like 18, 17, 18 years later, right? Is that everyone's wired differently. Everyone's intuition is [00:39:00] different than the person next to them. So when we hold ourself in these different ways, we see what works and we see what doesn't work for us.

That is massively valuable. So it's not a course that says, oh, this is how you do it. Do it exactly like this. It's a course that says try this, try this, try this, try this, try this. And then you kind of, um, what was those books? Create your own story. You kinda like create your own path, right? And, uh, that's, that's a key component of it.

But the other key component of this course, which is what, what works so well, is the understanding that that hallway, that intuitive channel has always been there. It is incredibly natural. Every single person has it and. It's just that it is cluttered and we don't use it. So it's a little dusty and nobody taught us how to sit with it and use it.

And it's, it's cluttered with emotional clutter, mental clutter, environmental [00:40:00] clutter, things like this. And so the course is, uh. Kind of like the artist's way, you know, it's teaching you intuition, like that teaches you art, but it's also asking you to discover yourself as well. And until we know who we really are and until we align and have the things in our life that we want and don't, you know, have the things in our life that we don't want, we can't really fully access that channel.

But once we, once we are set up on that path, then we have access to it. And I think that's why it works so well.

Will & Karen: How involved is the course? Is it like, like a once a week thing? A few times? Is there like, just gimme kind of an idea of how that part of

it

goes?

Beau: is, uh, I tell people it's once a week, right? It's, you know. Couple hours every single week of videos and there's, you know, workbook with homework. And week one you're gonna do this for seven days. And then week two you're gonna do [00:41:00] this for seven days and it's each week stacks itself on top of the week before.

So you get the first week under your belt and then you're ready for the next week type thing. I would say that a person would invest. I mean, if they tried to get it all done in seven weeks. 'cause not everybody does. Some people take a couple months to do it. You can take it at your own pace. Um, if you did it in seven weeks, I would say it would probably be about 10 hours a week of work.

Will & Karen: Wow. Okay. That's

not

Beau: Yeah. It's really, yeah.

Will & Karen: That's

That's

Beau: Yeah.

Will & Karen: Yeah. Wow.

Beau: It, it is. But I'm very fortunate in that, um, my guide, I used to teach it in person and I taught it in person for years. And my guide, my current guide said, um, what was it? The summer of

2019? My brain's not working. It was the summer before Covid. [00:42:00] He said, I need you to put this online. And I was like, that means that I have to get on video. And he said, yes, you do. So I had to overcome that shy factor, and I did, and I put it on video and then I put it online. The beauty of it being online now is that it's gone.

Global people have access to the course. Once they have access, they always do. So because I've been teaching it for so long, I have students. And all previous students now have access to the online course. All the ones I taught in person. Uh, some students will take it once a year or they'll take it once every other year because as you grow, you change and new things open up for you.

So it's um, it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. It's really cool for me 'cause I am wired to be a cheerleader and so for me to be able to watch people like. Become empowered and open up and go, no way that just happened. I just like, I've had, you know, [00:43:00] 18 years of that joy and I really like my job.

Will & Karen: Well, and, and that just triggered question, like what kind of of results are, can you give us an example of someone who, who's really been impacted by this course?

Beau: Yeah. I have a lot of people that have gone professional and, um, when I say a lot, let me clarify, like maybe a hundred. Right. Uh,

Will & Karen: That's a lot. Yeah. Like that's a lot.

Geez.

Beau: well, so if we're gonna compare it though, to how many people have taken the course, 'cause I know it's, it's, at this point, it's over 10,000 have taken the course. So it's a very small piece of, of the students that have gone professional.

So 95, at least percent of the students use it in their, um, personal lives. Some of the, I get a lot of feedback. That they finish it and they reach out to me. These are my favorite heartwarming emails. They reach out to me and they say, I took your [00:44:00] course to open up my intuition. I didn't know it would actually improve my life.

And I'm like, it's really cool, isn't it? And they're like, yeah. And it's this sort of backwards thing where you have you, your life will automatically improve if you're taking these steps because you're getting into alignment with. What you actually should be doing and who you are and all that. And then life naturally improves.

So that's really encouraging. Um, I've had students who were able to step into, uh, much deeper levels of their work as a result of it. A lot of times someone says, I've been using my intuition all along and I didn't even know it, and now you just outlined it and now I can see that I'm doing it. And I'm like, yep, yep, there it is.

So it's very freeing.

Will & Karen: is there a sage light? Because I really wanna do it, but 10 hours a week is a lot. You can do it at your own pace. It's, it's,

it's,

Beau: You can do it at your own pace. Yes.

Will & Karen: or

right. [00:45:00]

Beau: Yes. Sage light.

Will & Karen: for dummies.

Beau: Sage light. Yeah. You can take it at your own pace.

Will & Karen: Yeah.

Beau: Yeah.

Will & Karen: Um, so I'm gonna put in, I drop another edit point here because it's been driving me crazy and I gotta mention something, but I'm gonna pull it out 'cause I don't want to, you know, don't wanna embarrass you.

But is there, has there been, is there a celebrity that you have been told you remind people of of, oh my God, I've been thinking that too.

Have

Beau: Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: Is it Melissa McCarthy?

Beau: It is,

Will & Karen: That's hilarious. Like for the, I'm like, what's her name? What's her name? Melissa McCarthy. It's been, it's been driving me nuts.

I was like, oh my God. She's like, I'm talking to Melissa McCarthy. And that,

Beau: yeah.

Will & Karen: like her, but you have like mannerisms, like the way you express some of your facial expressions. Eyes. Yeah. It's like, oh my

God.

Beau: Yeah,

Will & Karen: coolest thing. So, yeah. It's very cool. I didn't wanna embarrass you, but you know, I, you know,

Beau: you can keep that in there. Edit point. You could keep that in there. I am. Yeah. I am a huge fan of Melissa McCarthy. [00:46:00] She is. I I, that's a giant compliment for me. I think she is beautiful, funny, real gorgeous. Like, I mean, all the things I am, so, yeah. It lines up.

Will & Karen: Alright. Awesome. Alright, well

Daniel, we'll keep

Beau: Yeah.

Will & Karen: Uh, sorry, uh, listener, you just, uh, got an inside look at how we do the show. Uh, wow. So, um, we have, uh, every once in a while we have a guest on that. We really enjoy the conversation so much about that.

We have to, we kinda throw a couple of curve ball questions your way

and

Beau: Yes,

Will & Karen: kind of answers you come up with. Is that, are you cool with that?

Beau: absolutely.

Will & Karen: Is this like a rapid fire? Uh, no. It's, you know, those, you know the curve balls. Okay. I know teasing. Alright, so here's, here's my first curve ball for you.

Going back to the actual college thing that we talked about in the pre-op, right? If intuition was an actual college course, would be the funniest class you'd offer as an elective? Is it [00:47:00] dream interpretation 1 0 1 decoding Why you've always late to class in pajamas? Like what, what would it be?

Beau: How to. Um, I am trying to find the title of the class. I know exactly what it is, but I'm trying to find the title of the class. So it would probably be How to Set Privacy Boundaries with Spirit.

Will & Karen: Oh yes, that's a good one

because, oh

Beau: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: I'm in the

shower.

Beau: Yeah, exactly, because I have been in the bathroom utilizing the bathroom and said, can you gimme a minute? Like I'm all set. Yeah, yeah.

Will & Karen: I said about taking a sage thing. Forget it. I'm

done. I'm out. Uhuh,

Beau: No, he's done. He's done. He, here's, but let, let, let me, let me just say this. Let me say this spirit doesn't have the same. The embarrassment factors, and I mean, we're in a physical body.

We came [00:48:00] down here and sort of isolated our, our soul into this, you know, capsule that we can hide things in and hiding things is part of the human experience and spirit doesn't quite understand that or really get on that same groove. So even in that situation, the spirit was like. Huh. Oh, okay. Like, I don't get it.

Will & Karen: there's a flaw in that thought process because I do.

Beau: Yes, exactly. And so it can be a minute of like, just, just take a minute. And for anybody that's listening, going, well, how do you do that? Because that's now wigging me out. Um, yeah, just imagine a, a bubble, like a little bubble, like the size of a baseball. And imagine it expanding. Out to the size of the bathroom and it pushes everything out of the walls and it works very well.

Will & Karen: But do you have to keep focusing on the bubble? 'cause I'm

thinking

Beau: No.

Will & Karen: you know, you're with your spouse, [00:49:00]

like,

Beau: they, they're, they're,

Will & Karen: there's a bubble. Oh my God,

Beau: yeah. It's, and, and this is how it goes. It goes, Hey honey, hold on. Bubble up. Yes. Like, that's the pattern. That's the pattern. Uh, no. The one thing about Spirit is that they do get the message. They. They do very good with boundaries. You know, movies will tell you otherwise, but truth be told, we are in the physical world.

We have control over our physical space and, uh, so just do the bubble once and you're good.

Will & Karen: Okay. And not to say, right, we, we, we are not judging anybody. If, if you are into the polyamory thing with dead people, that by all means go

for and invite

Beau: Hey,

Will & Karen: your bedroom, right? No

bubble a

Beau: hey.

Will & Karen: necessary, but floor was vo. No exhibition. Just in case. Right? Just in case, you know. Okay. Alright. Um, curveball number two.

Beau: Mm-hmm.

Will & Karen: Have you ever gotten an intuitive hit that was so strange that you didn't believe it at first, but turned out to be a hundred percent spot on?

Beau: Ooh, that's a good [00:50:00] one.

I'm trying to recall one that's really odd. There's so many.

Um.

I ca I can't, I'm literally can't think of one off of the top of my head. So I'm trying to think of something that is just an odd, odd alignment. I can tell you how about I tell you the day that I, I decided this was real. That's, I think

Will & Karen: would love to hear that.

Beau: that'd be a good one. Um, 'cause I've had, I've had. I used to have an old car, and I remember I had this solid belief that it would never die.

It was like a 78 SOB or something, and I was at a stoplight and I. Here's a, this is a good one. And then I'll tell you real quick. The, the one that made me believe, um, I'm at a stoplight and all of a sudden I can just hear it. The car's gonna die. The car's gonna die. And I'm [00:51:00] like, that goes completely against my braggadocious belief that it never dies 'cause it's a tank.

And I said, okay, well I guess I should do what I teach other people to do and listen to my intuition. I looked out my, the right side, uh, passenger side of the car, and there was a mechanic. I'm like, couldn't hurt. Pulled in the mechanic's. Parking lot pulled into a parking stop, uh, parking spot, and the car died.

Will & Karen: Wow.

Wow.

Beau: I was like, get outta town. Yeah. And I go in and the guy's like, oh, actually we got time now if you just want us to take a look. And I was like, what? And he's like, sure. And then he comes out 15 minutes later, he is like, it's this little piece of plastic that'll be like, just pay for the plastic.

We were on break anyway, and then sent me on my way. But yeah, that was one of my, that's one of the fun ones of, in my teaching ones that I use to say, this is why you hone your intuition, uh, because. Stuff's gonna happen. It just doesn't have to happen as bad. Right? Because you're listening. The [00:52:00] one that got me to believe was I was about two or three months into just being open, and I hadn't seen my grandmother again, and I was working on yes and no intuition because there was a Tai Chi guy that I knew, and he was the first person I went to him and I said.

You're the weirdest guy. I know. Can you help me? This thing happened and he just sweetly loved me through it and he was like, okay, that's not nice, but cool. So he helped me. I. With, uh, yes and no intuition. And I was using that and it was about two or three months in. I was by myself running errands, and I felt my grandmother, but that's all I could really achieve at that point.

And I just finally said to her, I, I can't do this anymore. I'm now faking myself into this. I, I can't. I said, hun, you gotta gimme some proof. Or I, I, I gotta get help, right? So a little while later in the day, I felt her. I pulled over, I had a pendulum and I was doing yes and no, and I was [00:53:00] asking these yes and no questions.

So yes and no questions take a very long time. 20 minutes later, this is the message I got. Your mother will call you. She will be fin uh, in trouble financially and she will ask you for help. However, you, a friend of hers will end up helping her, not you. And I said, that's specific. Good. I'm proving myself all right outta this crap.

Like I'm outta here. And uh, hour later my mom calls and I'm still running errands and she's like, sweetie, I'm in Vegas and I need you to take cash outta your bank. This was back when we went to banks. She said, I need you to go take cash outta your bank. I need you to drive it to my bank and deposit it.

And I said, okay, I'll do that. And I did that and I was driving to her bank and I was still talking myself out of it. I'm like, this isn't the first time that this has happened. So this could just be another day. Pulled into the [00:54:00] bank, parked the car. She called me back again and said, oh honey, don't worry about it.

My friend Lisa already wired me the money,

Will & Karen: That is

Beau: and I went

Will & Karen: Wow.

Beau: and it all happened in the same day. So I said, I'm in. I'm in. I hear you. So

Will & Karen: yeah, I, I, I can't say as I blame you, that would, would, yeah, no, that would probably do it for me too. Oh my God. I, I have so many more questions for you, but we are out of time. Oh my gosh. It's been an hour already. It has been an hour.

Um, Bo

Beau: it's,

Will & Karen: come back. We love you so much.

You've gotta come back.

This has been

Beau: I I would love to come back. The two of you. Absolutely. Rock. And I love this podcast.

Will & Karen: you so much.

Thank you. We

Beau: Yeah.

Will & Karen: it's, it's, we are the mutual Information Information Society. Yes.

Beau: This is

Will & Karen: Alright. If someone wanted to take the Sage method or get in touch with you, what's the best way for someone to do that? I.

Beau: visit the sage method.com, T-H-E-S-A-G-E method.com. I do a really good [00:55:00] job at keeping everything there, and I would tell 'em, start with the free course. You know, dabble like, oh, there's a sage light, and it's so light, it's free.

Will & Karen: where I asked you Sage light. There

was a

Beau: I know, and I, I didn't think about it. This is, um, it's, it's a good, it's a good solid course and I've been giving it to people for 15 years.

So yeah. I tell people, just start with that.

Will & Karen: Alright, well the Sage method,

we're gonna

Beau: I.

Will & Karen: a link to our show notes. Mm-hmm. So if you didn't have a pen handy at that particular point in time, all you need to do is like always go to skeptic me.com, go to Mo's episode page. You'll see the link directly in there. So all you gotta do is hit the link.

You don't have to type anything in. So, well, thank you so much for coming on the show. This has been wonderful. And I'm gonna start Sage Light tonight. Oh, I am. Ah, you're gonna be jealous. Well, that means I'm gonna start s like tonight too. In fact, I might sa start sage heavy today. I don't know.

Beau: It's going full in. Thank you so much for having [00:56:00] me. I really appreciate it.

Will & Karen: has been fun. It, it is been wonderful. We'll see you again really soon.