
What if everything you believe about success, happiness, and your limitations… isn’t true?
In this raw, vulnerable, and wildly transformative bonus episode, Will and Karen sit in the guest chairs as they join Gary Temple Bodley and Christy Levy for a conversation that completely reframes what it means to live a joyful, abundant life.
This is part 2 of a powerful 2-hour interview where Will’s long-held beliefs about responsibility, time, and worthiness are lovingly dismantled—live, on air. Spoiler: He did not see it coming.
Together, they explore:
- What a Manifestation Event Form is and how it rewires limiting beliefs
- Why our emotional reactions are our greatest spiritual tools
- How “doing the work” leads to intuitive gifts (like clairvoyance) coming online
- Why “positive thinking” isn’t enough—and how to break free from the spiritual bypass trap
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Why You’ll Want to Listen:
- If you’ve ever felt like your value is tied to how much you do… this will blow your mind.
- If you’ve ever wanted to “do the work” but didn’t know where to start… this tool is your roadmap.
- If you’ve been waiting for the right moment to step into a higher version of yourself… this is it.
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Gary: [00:00:00] Welcome back.
Christy: We took a hiatus.
Will: Are you guys wearing the same clothes? absolutely not.
Christy: Neither he scared me. he said, aren't you wearing the same thing? And I said, no. He said, we all are. I was. Oh
Karen: I asked Will the same thing, are we supposed to wear the same clothes?
And he was like, I don't remember what I was wearing. I don't either.
Will: Disclosure, I did ask Gary, should we brew
Karen: the same clothes?
Will: you can tell that we're not because I've had a little bit of a growth on my face. from the last time that we,
Karen: this hair grows really fast.
Yes. Like in a minute,
Gary: Great. All right. let's start with the cliffhanger from last episode.
Will: I've lost sleep since that day. this is not fair to have waited this long to make it cliffhanger.
Christy: It would've done that to me. I would've been a wreck.
Gary: Well, it's something that you can do 15 minutes every day, and if you do this one thing, it'll do more, change your perception of reality or your perspective than anything else you can do. We have a tool that was given to us, it was channeled called the Manifestation Event Form. [00:01:00] And this form takes you through an event that just happened called a manifestation event that caused you to feel some emotion.
It could be either positive emotion or negative emotion. You can use it either way. The idea is that this is a feeling reality. All we're ever doing is feeling something,
Christy: Think about that for a second. When you think about it, you okay?
Gary: When an event outside of you occurs and you have a reaction to it, either positive or negative, that event is occurring just to show you a belief.
If the belief is empowering, then you can use this to increase the intensity of that belief to make it even more empowering. if a belief is limiting, if you feel negative emotion, then you can use this to soften that belief. We all have a mental construct. It's our view of reality.
And that mental construct is a combination of all our empowering beliefs and limiting beliefs and the [00:02:00] intensity of those beliefs. That forms our perspective of ourselves in our reality, and that's translated into a vibration. We then emit that a vibration and all the universe is doing, is creating a reality that is a mirror to that vibration so that we can see what we're vibrating.
So if something happens to cause you negative emotion, it's only because that's vibrating in you now, and the universe is just showing that to you so you can feel the negative emotion and realize that the people involved and the circumstances occurred as a result of this limiting belief. This vibration of a limiting belief going on within me.
If I can soften that limiting belief and soften that vibration, then I will experience more of what I truly want. actually we're expanding our belief system and seeing ourselves from higher perspectives [00:03:00] so that when something happens, we are less triggered by it.
most of us live this roller coaster life. Something happens and we feel bad, something happens and we feel excited. we go up and down every single day of our lives without understanding. It's all being generated from within.
So this work that we've been doing for six years, softens all of that. you become more present, more clear. You understand what's happening and your focus is not tuned on what's happening outside of you, but tuned, tuned what's going on inside. And that's when you receive inspiration, intuition.
And within a short while, a large percentage of the people who do this form, we do it in one of our courses called the Bootcamp. A lot of people who do this form, their Claires come online. They start having these abilities. this is what happened to Christie in the course. You can do it 56 days in a row.
She did the course eight times. So she did this [00:04:00] over 400 times, probably over 600 times in her life now.
Christy: Oh yeah.
Gary: And by that time All of her abilities came online, like full strength
Christy: overnight.
Will: Fully realized overnight. Mm-hmm. Can I pick which power I get?
Gary: That's the funny thing about this.
the power that you get is the one you wouldn't want. I would not wanna be a channel if I could have picked this stuff. I'd wanna read minds or do something fun, predict the future.
Christy: I don't wanna talk to dead people.
I would never have wanted to talk to dead people. Mm-hmm.
Will: Yeah. No, that's a fair point.
Christy: So the manifestation met form, first of all is just one of many forms we have. Then we use them in our courses to help all of us change that mental construct, open up our belief structure so that we are less triggered and our vibration goes up.
It's like dumping sand out of a hot air balloon. Every time you soften a limiting belief, you go up a little bit or, work on an empowering belief. But [00:05:00] something that you were saying, at the end of the podcast you guys were talking about, and Will specifically, I asked why you wanted this to be successful, what that meant to you.
And it was, we only have four years to get this going and in four years we wanna be digital nomads living in Italy. and we want to, it's important to me. I need to be able to do what I love and support my family. Yes. Where I was going with that to help you understand the value in this manifestation event form is what Gary opened with, which is this reality is a feeling reality.
The only thing you're ever doing is feeling something. I'm gonna start a little softly, 'cause my example takes people back really hard. 'cause when it hit me, I was where you are and learning this stuff and I started to realize the only reason I want something is because I think I'm going to feel good when I get there.[00:06:00]
I want something because there's a feeling I lack. So if you were to be digital nomads living in Italy, new reality TV is successful, what are the feelings that you are after that you think you would feel that you don't feel now?
Gary: Freedom.
Christy: Mm-hmm. So if I were to tell you that of course you attract with your thought, with your focus.
I think you guys are very much there with all the work you've been doing, but it's deeper than that and it is your feeling. Essentially that will let you know what your point of attraction is. There is no way to become abundant when you feel lack full. There's no way to feel love when you feel alone or lonely.
When you have that going on, you [00:07:00] will not attract that next thing. So if you feel like you are not free, if you feel bound, if you feel tied to, what's a better word for that?
Gary: Imprisoned
Christy: to an extent. I don't think they feel that way. Right.
Gary: Stuck.
Christy: If you feel this, you've got a child in a home and you know these responsibilities, so you are not free.
And if you see yourself in four years, if I can just make this happen. I will suddenly feel free. But what we have learned, what I believe and have over and over again, it's been shown to me, doesn't work like that. You could get all of that, but you will feel more imprisoned than you do now.
Karen: Oh,
Christy: if you look back at your life and you think of the things that you want, it, want it, want it so much, and because you think it's gonna give you a feeling nothing outside of us can give us any feeling, we [00:08:00] can for a moment think it does, but it doesn't.
The feeling is inside because it's communication, letting us know how we're looking at something. Getting that car feels great for a little while, but it doesn't change that feeling you believe you're missing, reaching outside, to be in that life, because now I will feel free.
It can't make you feel free. you will continue to feel how you feel no matter what's going on around you. But we still all seek conditions to change, to make us feel something. what Gary's channeling in his books and the things that we've learned is not from outside. The outside conditions can make you feel nothing.
It comes from inside. And your perspective,
Gary: that's the great illusion, outside conditions make us feel something. But we're feeling something and the outside conditions reflect that feeling,
Karen: right?
Gary: Technicians reflect that belief.
Christy: you think that made [00:09:00] you happy?
She makes me happy. He makes me happy. This house will make me happy. Having this paint done will make me happy. You can use it as an excuse to feel good for a bit, a very short time. And then it's always next, next, next. you're trying to. Create feeling inside of yourself by controlling outside conditions.
this is not an outside in universe, okay? You are not an outside in being, you are inside out. It has to change inside, Including how you feel. how do we change your perspective on your current circumstances? Working 900 hours a day, raising a child, Relationship that's wonderful and fun, but you're doing it together.
So there's a lot of stress in that, having to be everywhere all of the time, and really wanting to make something happen over here so that you don't have to do this anymore, right? [00:10:00] How do we take those conditions and change how you see them? You feel happy and free no matter what happens.
So if you are homeless and alone, but you feel amazing and you are happy and you are free, what do you care? When you realize the only thing you want is to feel something, you want to feel free, you want to feel abundant, you want to feel joy, you want to feel all of those things. And I don't right now.
And I'm afraid if that happens, I'll feel bad. But what Gary and I are gonna give you is a tool to help you understand that when you do feel bad, you know exactly what to do. You will feel better. That will soften. And now you don't have to be afraid of anything that comes your way because you know what to do when it does.
Does that make sense to you guys?
Will: [00:11:00] It makes perfect sense to me,
Karen: It does. But here's my thought, and just so you, you focus on changing how you feel about things now. Are you saying that the universe will supply you with what you need when you do that?
Or you're just happy with what you have? Because theoretically, if someone just focuses on being happy with what they have and they end up homeless, like we have a daughter, you know, we need to take care of her and provide her a home. I could be happy living in a tent.
I was the backpacker back in the day. But, you know, I gotta take care of her too.
Christy: Yeah, right. this is like 1 0 1. Gary, do you wanna speak to that or do you want me to?
Gary: So imagine that you could feel free and abundant and satisfied and in enjoy and curiosity and your powers of focus and clarity would be really strong Intuition.
Inspiration would be strong. And the fear that you've been feeling your whole life is gone. If you could do that in the conditions that you have now, what would life be [00:12:00] like?
Karen: great.
Gary: So that's the proof right there, that if you could feel all those things you're seeking to feel in four years, if you could do it right now, then the conditions wouldn't matter.
that is a mind flip, a way of looking at things that takes practice we're all brought up from the time we're born with the opposite perspective, that outside conditions are creating how I feel. to shift that focus from outside to inside, it takes a while.
It's different for everyone. But once you get there. you realize that you have everything you've always wanted. And of course those conditions have to shift because now how you feel shifts, right? all the effort and struggle to change conditions, work hard, pay the bills, paint the house, buy a new house, never makes you feel anything, no one's ever satisfied.
We have millions of stories of people who get these [00:13:00] amazing things are never satisfied, right? They always want more and more and more. Why? Because it can't do anything. But if you switch how you feel, if this was possible, then now you're generating a vibration that suddenly not only do you not get upset at anything, you have no fear of doing anything, but you're so much in appreciation and awe of what's happening and then what starts to happen is unimaginable.
Now you can't plan for what's gonna happen, right? Because it's unimaginable from where you are now.
Christy: In fact, you might not want it from where you are now. Right. That's the interesting thing.
Gary: Like I would not have wanted to be who I am now. When I started this 12 years ago, from my perspective back then, this guy is so weird, right?
And he's doing these weird things and that was so uncomfortable for me back then. But of course, and you do small [00:14:00] changes every day and over 12 years you find this place. Now I look back at who I was 12 years ago and I can't even recognize that person was so limited compared to the life I'm living now.
The life I'm living now is so full and exciting and interesting, and so much is happening that this guy, 12 years ago was blind to and had no idea that existed or was even possible. It was a normal Life, and it was a great life, but compared to this one, it was just so limiting and so much fear.
It didn't feel good either.
Christy: It doesn't, and you know, in a side note, Karen, you and I will talk about, especially as you do these forms, is I'd like to stay in touch with you guys. I really enjoy coaching. These forms are not easy. That's why we said you devote time to it. You devote 15 minutes a day.
they bring up things. It can be tough sometimes. So as I stay in touch with you guys, we'll talk about why it is important to you for your [00:15:00] daughter to be happy, right? It has nothing to do with her. What it has to do with is if she's not, you'll feel bad. If she is not on this planet anymore, it's not about her.
It's about your fear that you will never be happy again. when I got that realization a few years ago, it dropped me because I thought, I can't be that selfish. And I realized, wait, that is it. Everything is about how I think I might feel, how I believe I will feel if that happens, and if I gotta control my conditions.
I'm in fear all the time. But what we're gonna show you is gonna help you no matter what comes, it doesn't matter what it is. You feel that pain, fear, sadness, overwhelm, whatever it is. You sit down with this thing and you work your way through it and all of a sudden it lifts and you realize it doesn't matter what happens.
I know what [00:16:00] to do. What matters to me is this feeling of joy freedom connection and power. Knowing who I am. When you have that, it doesn't matter what's going on around you, and that's what you want.
Gary: That's what you want for your daughter too.
Christy: Mm-hmm.
Gary: This is the work that will change her life, by you being an example,
Christy: seeing it.
Will: So I dig this a lot, and I'm really excited to dive into the forum One question that comes to mind, and this might extend the podcast into a really long one, so this may not make the final cut.
In this movement, whatever you wanna call it, new age, whatever it is that's going on right now. A new faction is emerging that is vehemently fighting against what they call spiritual bypassing. Where the, think rainbows and unicorns all the time and good things will come.
Right. we're trying to think positive at all times. some people are saying that to do [00:17:00] that is putting your head in the sand and it feels like what you're talking about is a form of everything is rosy. Doesn't matter what's happening, everything's gonna be perfectly fine.
So how does that com Christie's shaking her head vehemently no. Okay. So correct me.
Christy: Just thinking positively, everything's fine. But this is putting a happy face sticker over an empty gas tank. You're not getting very far like that. I got stuck in that as well I love being around people like that.
It's when you don't feel it in here and you are still operating from here to try to control your conditions. No, it's okay. It's fine. We'll just do this and everything will be okay Right? That's what you're doing.
You're not accepting what's coming and saying, Ooh, okay, that hurt. Damn, I'm flipping out. I'm in total despair right now. I just lost everything I've thought I ever wanted. This is falling [00:18:00] apart. That's real and authentic. To deny that you feel that way is. Silly.
Karen: Got it right
Christy: But to understand what that's pointing out, all that's happening is that the universe is reflecting to you a self-imposed limiting belief. It's pointing it out so that you can look at it, soften that belief.
You're going to automatically feel better. It's gonna soften it, and this kind of experience becomes fewer and further between because you don't need it anymore. You never get rid of our limiting beliefs. Because once you attract something, you always have it. But you can soften them to the point that their intensity is so mild that there's nothing that really triggers it anymore.
And that's what we're doing here. So it isn't anti positive thinking, it's just. you're ignoring that you have these self-imposed limitations and still [00:19:00] scurrying around trying to control all of your outside conditions. How Karen sees you, how will sees you, how your daughter sees you, what the world thinks of you, what happens out here.
You know how quick you can get somewhere, what you look like. That's all of that stuff you're trying to control and you can't,
Will: so this is more like positive living than positive thinking, and that's the difference. It's not putting your head in the sand. It's actually changing behaviors and thought patterns versus sticking lipstick on a pig and saying, it's beautiful.
Christy: It's right. Going in and understanding because you don't know. You could not sit down and write for me all of your limiting beliefs and all of your empowering beliefs. You could come up with some, but you don't know. So we use these events and the universe uses them to point them out when it's time. Okay, now you can catch 'em at the thought level and we'll go through this form.
You can have a manifestation event. The thought. But that's all that's happening, so you just don't ignore it. Go ahead, Gary.
Gary: A limiting belief is limiting because [00:20:00] it limits you from acting on inspiration. You get into a space, you receive the inspiration, and then all this fear pops up. The fear is driven by these beliefs that you're not aware of.
Once you soften those beliefs, then the fear is not as intense and you're more likely to act on inspiration. This is called the flow state. If you can get in that flow state and push past the fear, the fear's gonna come no matter what. By doing this work, you lower the intensity of that fear.
If you're able to push past the fear and take the inspired action, then that belief is no longer limiting you. It's there, but it doesn't limit you anymore. For instance, let's imagine that you had the inspiration to join us. A retreat in Orlando, August 14th through the 19th, it's $1,300 and you'll be there with a bunch of like-minded people, 25 people in this mansion we rented in [00:21:00] Orlando.
Will: you're actually asking? I mean, yeah,
Gary: why couldn't you come?
Will: why couldn't we come?
Gary: Yeah.
Will: Because we're coming back from Alaska on the 13th,
Karen: Sienna starts school on the 18th.
Will: Right?
Gary: Okay. And money, and
Will: it's actually back to freedom, right?
'cause my work won't allow me to take that much time because I just work two weeks. Right? Go to Alaska and now it'll be another week to be in Orlando. Right?
Gary: What if that was inspiration that came to you and all these thoughts now, oh, I can't do that, or I don't wanna do that. what you're thinking is that if I did it, I'm going to feel negative emotion.
So I wanna protect myself from negative emotion. I'll feel bad that I spent the money or that we put our daughter in school a couple days later, or we had to show up late because we're getting back from Alaska, or it was irresponsible 'cause I have work to [00:22:00] do. Those are these fears, they don't feel like the same kind of fear we're used to, but all of that is just fear.
You may not even receive that inspiration because your belief system knocks it outta the way but even if you were cognizant of it, you probably wouldn't tell Karen about it because she would say, what are you nuts? We got all this stuff to do. Right? Well,
Will: you know us
Gary: Well, I have this inspiration. Maybe we can just take one step. what's the next thing to do? this work allows you to do that, allows you to at least hear it and think of the one thing that you could do. Imagine how less limited your life would be if you could allow yourself just to do the one step that's in front of you.
Anytime you received inspiration and then got good at receiving more inspiration and good at acting on more inspiration. Then have intuition and psychic abilities That's what this work does.
Will: What if you're inspired to go catch the [00:23:00] Aurora Borealis for six months out of the year?
I would lose my job. Are you saying that's not a bad thing?
Karen: lose our
Will: Well, if you accept that
Christy: there's no wrong in the universe that everything is right, which is the basis of everything Gary and I teach, then that's not a bad thing. There are no bad things. go ahead.
Gary: The generally inspiration, there's two things. An urge and an inspiration. So the inspiration, there's always some little thing that you can do right now. You don't have to go all the way to six months. Right? And so maybe the inspiration is just to check out where it's gonna be in six months, or how much flights cost to get there.
And then you wait for the next inspiration. So you take this patient. Calm approach to this one little tiny thing that you can do. You don't have to book the flights, you don't have to get the hotel, you don't have to take a leave of absence from work. You don't have to pull your dad outta school.
All you have to do is [00:24:00] find out where it's happening, where's the best place to see it? And maybe the inspiration is not actually going for six months. maybe it's just to have a conversation. Maybe the next podcast host, you bring it up and they happen to have seen it and had done this exact same thing and then sparks this great conversation that you had.
So you never know where the inspiration's gonna lead. Right? But we tend to fill out the story in advance. And the idea is just the next moment. One moment to the next moment.
Christy: Well, let's do this forum, or we're gonna be on here all day.
Gary: Should we have them think of a manifestation event that happened recently?
Or do you wanna make one up?
Christy: Yeah, I think that would get, it's gonna get a little deep. If we have them actually do one. Unless you can think of a silly, if you guys can think of one that happened in the last day or so that made you feel some negative emotion, but that isn't insanely personal.
We might be able to go lightly through this. I can't
Will: think of anything. Yeah, that's not insanely personal. Like, manifesting those hemorrhoids was really a bad thing.[00:25:00]
No. let's go ahead and make one up and see. okay.
Christy: Gary, make one up. I coach people all the time. I've got a million, but you go ahead. You're the coach. It's right there.
Gary: Wanna do the flat tire on the way home and you're supposed to get all these new episodes downloaded.
Into new reality tv.
Will: That would be a good one, didn't you? Just Okay. Actually it just happened like a week ago.
Christy: Did it?
Will: Yeah.
Christy: Did it.
Will: Because that's
Christy: so you have a flat tire? No.
Will: So thank you, Chrissy, because my, right left tire, got flat.
Christy: That's what life with me is like.
Will: Can you just tell me good things from that one
Christy: The best thing to do with this form you guys is print a copy out and get notebooks that you just used for this. Keep one blank copy in the pocket of your notebook. And when you go to do these, you just have one spot and you write your form out.
Gary: a manifestation event occurs anytime you feel negative emotion. at some point in the day. this puts your awareness towards anytime you feel negative or positive emotion. So it works either way and you wanna do an equal balance of both.
'cause what we're doing is reducing the [00:26:00] intensity of limiting beliefs and raising the intensity of empowering beliefs to make our mental construct move from mostly limited to more empowering. Think about a manifestation event you had today or yesterday and describe the event below. describe the event.
Will: So we were going to lunch on a workday. as we were pulling into the parking lot, I felt something strange happened with my tire and I felt uhoh. when I got out of the car, I saw that my tire was on the ground.
Gary: Describe the emotion you felt in your reaction to the event.
Will: I was frustrated and
Karen: it wasn't that bad of a reaction,
Will: because I didn't realize how long it was gonna take.
Karen: that's true.
Will: Yeah. So I was frustrated, but I knew we would. Fix it until we realized that we didn't have a fair or a fix a flat. So we had to call aaa. Okay.
Gary: rate the intensity of that emotion one to 10?
Will: initially probably four.
Gary: Great. And then is the [00:27:00] emotion positive or negative? It's negative.
Mm-hmm. Now, what were the initial thoughts you received due to the emotions you were feeling? So you felt negative emotion. What were the thoughts? And you describe a couple thoughts there.
Will: inconvenient.
Gary: Why is it inconvenient?
Will: Because now I've gotta get outta my car. I gotta fix this tire, it's gonna take up time of my day.
Karen: get back to work.
Will: I've gotta get back to work. I've got too much on my plate to be dealing with this. Right now.
Gary: What happens if you're late to work?
Will: I can't get my work done, and if I can't get my work done, then it backs up and I have more work to do the next day. then I start feeling overwhelmed because, I'm never gonna get to the end of all this work and I've got a thousand other things I've gotta do.
Karen: Got it.
Will: Okay.
Karen: Mm-hmm.
Gary: Now, did you have the urge to change or control the conditions or the people involved? There's nothing much you could do here, but a lot of times, [00:28:00] say for instance, if you were in an argument, you wanna make the other person wrong or you wish they weren't even in that place at that time, the urges are really important to understand.
Because a lot of times we act on the urge. Like you could have thrown a tire iron or something, you know? Mm-hmm. That sort of thing.
Will: I'm not saying I didn't.
Christy: that's an urge. If you had, some urge to change your control of the conditions, right? you get the guy there faster, you yell at somebody, or neighbors are playing their music too loud
You wake up, you can't go back to sleep. You scream at them. Some urge to change or control the condition.
Gary: When we act on urges, it takes us away from what we want. Always. So the best thing you can do is learn that. You're gonna feel that urge to change things, but you don't have to act. And if you don't act it's gonna go a lot smoother for you.
a big part of this is recognizing those urges that happen in negative motion. Identify the related desire. Generally the reason we get upset is because we think that this event. [00:29:00] Causes our desire not to manifest or impedes what we want in some way.
There's a desire that you had at that moment that this got in the way of, what do you think that desire might be?
Will: To get back home quickly so I can get to work.
Gary: Why do you want to get back to work?
Will: I got a lot of work I gotta do.
Gary: Right. so it's this desire not to be overwhelmed, right.
Not to have to work late in the night, that sort of thing. Okay. Looking at that desire objectively, is that desire based in fear or flow?
Will: Definitely.
Gary: exactly. So now you're saying that a lot of your desires are based in fear to begin with. Right. And so we call those false desires.
Okay. So returning to your mental construct, I identified the belief that triggered the emotions you felt. What is the belief. And this is the fun part. This is the one that gets tricky.
Will: the belief.
Gary: So this flat tire didn't happen on its own. It was orchestrated [00:30:00] by the entire universe, by your inner self, by your guides, by your supporters.
For you to find this one limiting belief, why did this event happen? What, what's the belief that they wanna point out to you that's holding you apart from everything you want?
Will: I'm trying to think like you guys
Christy: No, don't
Gary: That's not gonna help
Christy: you.
Gary: Yeah.
Will: The limiting belief, the reason why that happened,
Christy: I could say, well, let's, let me give you some ideas and then might help you go in a direction. You might have a belief that, I have to work hard to be successful. I have to work hard to pay my bills. You might have a belief that I. Can't enjoy myself during a workday.
Like you're trying to go out to lunch, right? I can't stop to enjoy myself. I have to keep work. You can have beliefs like that and they always refer to you.
Will: I believe the belief was I have too many people counting on me. I have a lot
Gary: of people counting on me.
Will: I'm gonna let them down.
Gary: Anyone that comes up [00:31:00] is perfect. I have a limited amount of time.
Will: that's the initial, but then if I go further down the rabbit hole, I have a limited amount of time. And if I don't get everything done, then I'm gonna drop the ball. And all these people shows aren't gonna be going on.
all these clients are waiting for information from me. They're not gonna get the information they need on a timely basis. I'm gonna look bad.
Karen: Mm-hmm.
Will: And it's gonna feel like my work ethic is no longer what I believe It is.
Gary: Okay. I believe my work, Ethic is the reason people love and appreciate me
Will: Sure.
Gary: what if you didn't have that work ethic?
Will: I might have fewer friends.
Gary: Right. We believe that the only reason people like us is 'cause we do something. Right? And that, that we be something I don't like you because you have a good work ethic. That's not reason I, like you
Christy: I just get on here and chitchat with you. You're awesome. I have no idea.
Gary: We don't like you because you're good parents. [00:32:00] Right. But actually what we're saying though, we were gonna joke for you 'cause you guys were two minutes late. how dare you come late to this. We're actually two minutes late.
We're totally offended.
Christy: So let's hone in on this belief. the first one that comes. Is fine. People always try to get to, no, I want the one. Doesn't matter. So the first thing that hit you was, I don't have enough time. I never have enough time.
Another one was, I have too many people counting on me. Right. you pick one of those. So let's pick something that feels right to you. A belief about yourself.
Will: My sense of self is dependent on not letting people down.
Gary: Yeah. That's real deep though.
Mm-hmm. That's great. Okay. But that's a good one. Okay. Mm-hmm.
Will: though go when you step back if you need to.
Christy: if I, there's gotta be a way to make it into a sentence. This is what is always fun with me when I'm working with somebody. So let's make that into a sentence that has I in it and perhaps even so if I blank, I will lose everyone's respect.
I will [00:33:00] lose love. No one will love me.
Will: Well, if I don't do what is expected of me in a timely manner, I will lose the respect of those depending on me.
Christy: stay with that.
Gary: Now, is that belief limiting or empowering? It could be either one. What do you think?
Will: an argument could be made for both. it drives you to be the best you can be by not letting people down. but it also forces you to get a flat tire in the middle of the workday and not get to all the work you gotta do.
Christy: Do you think it could be empowering that you believe the reason people like and respect you is because you perform like a show pony?
Will: Okay.
Christy: Perfectly.
Will: let me, that's
Christy: not empowering.
Will: lemme share some insight with you. while I was growing up, I was very irresponsible. I went through jobs like water. I was not dependent at all. it wasn't until it became really important to [00:34:00] me because I had a family that it dawned on me that I've gotta be responsible and deliver what people expect of me in order for my work ethic to be something that people will respect.
that way I will be liked and promoted and be able to continue to provide for my family in bigger and better ways year after year.
Gary: Totally reasonable belief. Completely. But just imagine it might be limiting because it will limit you from going to see a movie in the daytime. When's the last time you saw a movie on a Wednesday?
In the middle of the day?
Will: Well before COVID,
Gary: Just so it does limit you from certain things and you'll get good at this and you'll get to see how that
Christy: Limits you from probably quite a bit.
Gary: Yeah. Okay. This is where the fun starts. Now that we know that it is a limiting belief, all limiting beliefs are [00:35:00] false.
You can prove examples in your life where this is absolutely false. So Chrissy, go ahead and see if you can help think of some examples.
Christy: I can think of examples from his life. What we are proving false is that your work ethic is why people love and respect you.
It's why you have the family you have, it's why you have the friends you have. It's why you have every single thing in your life is because of your work ethic, right? It's why everyone likes, loves, and respects you. You do kind of believe that, right? That if you don't have this work ethic, you are not going to be liked, loved, respected,
Will: Yes.
Christy: Okay. Can you look back at your life and go all the way back to when you were terribly irresponsible, When you say I was awful, I was so irresponsible. Was there anyone in your life that liked you, loved you, or respected you at that time?
Will: my [00:36:00] mom.
Christy: Doesn't matter who it is.
Will: she has to.
Christy: No, she doesn't. She'll be
Will: obligated to.
Christy: Right. did you have any friends?
Will: that's debatable. I think so, but I don't know how close we were.
Christy: liked you
Will: Sure.
Christy: Okay. And in your marriage to Karen, have you ever done anything stupid or irresponsible?
Will: That would be a no.
Yes. No. It's, unfortunately yes, all the time.
Christy: Yes. does Karen still love you?
Will: You'd have to ask her.
Christy: From your perspective, do you feel liked, loved, and respected by your wife, even though in the years you've been married, you've probably done 8 million stupid, irresponsible things?
Will: Yes, but I've always made up for it.
Gary: That's the reason.
Christy: That's the only reason she loves you. Okay, Gary, you wanna go?
Gary: How about your daughter? Does she love and respect you?
Will: I'd like to think so.
Gary: [00:37:00] Because of your work ethic?
Will: No. She couldn't give her care.
Gary: Okay. She
Will: couldn't care less.
Why? In fact, she wishes I didn't work as much as I do.
Gary: Right. So anyway, this is the idea here. all you do is write 'em down. You don't have to believe them. But when you have evidence that contradicts that belief, that belief is automatically softened. It just is softened. Right.
You weren't even aware of this belief until we started talking about it. And now it's out in the open. You're actually doing the work. This is not spiritual bypassing, this is doing the work. And that belief is different now as a result of this experience.
Okay. And that's just one, even if you're not aware of it.
Christy: Mm-hmm.
Gary: Right.
Christy: So during this work, if you guys choose to take 30 days and do this for 15, each one of you separately, You should do it. I will be there for you to help you through it because you can see where it's easy to get a little stuck.
Karen: Yeah.
Christy: And go, wait, okay, what is this? And it just takes a little practice. So [00:38:00] your ego as you go through this, because this is a belief, this is something you believe is true. You fully believe it isn't true at all, but you believe it is. So it's true for you. And as you try to prove it false, your ego is going to do everything.
Well, she's my mother. She has to, that's not what I asked. I said, did anyone love you? Yes, my mother. And is that belief true? It is. Yeah, but that was because, and yeah, I probably had some friends, but I don't think we were that close. Like you don't know how close you are with your friends now you think you do, but you don't know
But your ego's trying to get in there and say, this belief is true and I'm gonna protect you so that you never stop working hard and you never stop having that work ethic. 'cause that's what's kept you alive. And your ego's wonderful. You love your ego. It's kept you alive. It's doing this for you. But now you're ready to say, perhaps this isn't true.
Okay, perhaps this isn't true. It isn't about my work [00:39:00] ethic. just because I'm willing to look at this belief and recognize that it's not because of my work ethic, that I'm respected, that I'm loved, that I'm liked, and that I have everything that I have in my life. Let me just think about that possibility.
What if it's not because of that? Does that mean that I'm now going to become a lazy slob, be late for everything? Absolutely not. You are who you are. What drives you right now are these limitations and fears, but the inspiration fills in as you soften those beliefs and the power of what you do expands.
You are not dragging this limiting belief with you just because you are aware it's not my work ethic that people love and respect. It's who I am. as you soften the belief that it's your work ethic that gets you everything a lot of other inspiration and ideas can come in.
And like I said before, the power that creates [00:40:00] worlds, gets things done. You're not suddenly going to be late. My guess is in a short amount of time you will find that you have a lot more time and things get done much easier, much faster. How? Well, you won't know because you don't need to be shown this all the time.
So your reality starts to shift in front of you.
Will: What, you said to use this form every time you have an emotional
Christy: reaction
Will: Sounds like I need to dive deeper into this because the emotional reaction I'm getting by the thought of what you just said is very strong, like it makes me very scared.
I guess I would then use the forum to dive deeper into that. You could.
Christy: You could say, okay, today's event is, when Christie said all those words, I started freaking out. Here were the thoughts I was having. Here was the emotion that I felt. You can use the thoughts a lot to help you identify the belief.
I was angry [00:41:00] because I was going to be late getting back to the house. Then you say why sometimes that will lead you To what your limiting belief is. Because if I don't get back to the house, I'm gonna let everyone down and we're gonna lose our business. I'm gonna be homeless alone. Right.
Right. So just because you had an emotional reaction to this, that's great. You had a reaction. So now you can write about that tonight about the fear, the negative emotion to whatever was brought up and said, if you get stuck, you can reach out and I'll help you through it.
Gary: It's easier to do the little ones first.
Christy: Mm-hmm.
Gary: Right. I got yelled at by a car, driven by emotion? This just happened to me. This guy screamed at me driving by and I had no idea why. I just instantly felt this surge of rage like, I'm gonna follow him
It goes real quick, you know? But once I get back to calm I can entertain the thoughts, what's possibly going on? Did I pull out in front of him then I realized, oh, I'm in a [00:42:00] Tesla. And he's mad at Teslas. that was the only reason.
It had nothing to do with me. It was the car I was in. Once I realized that, I said, okay, well why was I so upset about someone I didn't know yelling at me for something I didn't know I did, you know? So I had to go into a mass station event form on that and find that limiting belief. Gotcha. Yeah.
Christy: Yep. when we say 15 minutes a day, Eventually, you're going to love doing this so much. they can bring up a lot of pain but I loved it. I carried the damn thing with me everywhere in my notebook. Every time something happened, I stopped.
I don't care where I'm supposed to be. This is my work. This is what's important. When these limitations are softened, I'm unstoppable. And I knew that. our assignment for you should you choose to accept it, is that at the end of the day, you take 15 or so minutes, look back at your day, find something that either made you excited, happy, right, joyful or angry, frustrated, anything like that.
And if you have trouble and get stuck, you can reach out to us and [00:43:00] we'll help you through it.
Will: So when you say good or bad, how does this help on the good? Because we just went down the bad rabbit hole. how does this work on the good side of things,
Gary: Gary, when do you realize that you're happy or excited
Something interesting that emotion is showing you that you have an empowering belief. So just like the limiting beliefs that are bringing you reflections of those limiting beliefs, those negative emotion for you, those situations. Situations also are, are occurring because you have a vibration of these empowering ideas about yourself going on.
So you get 10 new subscribers, they go, oh, what a great day this was. Right? And that 10 subscriber is a reflection of a belief inside yourself that what you're doing is relevant and worthwhile then you say, okay, what's the belief there? The belief is that this thing is doing some good in the world.
And then you ramp up that belief and you prove that it's true. you write [00:44:00] five or six examples of other times in your life when that belief generated wonderful things. it brings that belief to the forefront. The reason it's happening is you have that belief, right?
as that belief intensifies, more of this stuff happens as well. there's more to be grateful for, more to appreciate. you start moving that mental construct. You see what's always been there, how wonderful everything is, And more stuff keeps coming.
More stuff keeps coming. You're in less fear, so you're acting on more. Offers and inspiration and invitations and ideas, and people start relating to you completely differently. You're just so much more fun to be with, and you have so much more time. You'll be amazed at how much time you have.
Everything you'll do will be done quickly and effectively when you're in this flow state of doing what you're interested in doing. the reason that [00:45:00] you're, manually doing all this labor is because you have a perspective of yourself that likes that you're sacrificing time
These people's needs so that in your mind you can believe that they think that you're a good guy. If you didn't have to do that, you would've had someone take care of this other than you. You would've outsourced it or set up automation But you like it.
Karen: Mm-hmm.
Gary: because of this belief, you do it.
Karen: Mm-hmm.
Gary: Right. So imagine you didn't have these things going on here. You would act on the inspiration 'cause you've had the inspiration to go on Upwork and have someone do it. But because you are generating this feeling of being reliable, that the fear goes, oh, what if they screw it up?
Then I am outsourcing my greatest fear to someone else. And this is why people don't delegate, because all of this stuff Very interesting.
Will: Sorry. [00:46:00] it's
Christy: We've watched so many people go through this work, and it's always the same, People handle it differently.
Like Karen's very quiet, right? They handle it differently. this freaks you out at first because you think, I cannot lose this belief. It's keeping me alive. I just wanna tell you, think about how funny that is. your beliefs about yourself and your reality are not true.
Karen: No,
Christy: they're just what you believe. And they empower us and limit us in so many ways. You start playing with it and letting them fall away believing that hard work is good for you, believing that whatever you know, whatever it is, you are not gonna change. What you enjoy doing isn't gonna change. I haven't decided now that suddenly I'm late for everything.
I just don't freak out I'm never late am I? I mean I'm still never late. It just doesn't evident in fact. But I don't worry about it. If something happens I trust, I go, well, wow. Okay. Hmm. I can feel that. But that's fine. Everything's gonna be fine and always is. It's no big deal. Oh, I'm so [00:47:00] glad you were late Krissy.
I overslept. Okay, good.
Will: You know what the messed up thing about all of it is? We picked a flat tire 'cause it was gonna be safe.
Christy: It's not.
Will: And now I am you. I am fucked up. Like my head is like, that
Karen: just reminded me of a conversation we had you were super stressed about work and you like, it was like that little barb that you threw at me and you're like, well, I can't just walk away from work as easy as you can.
Christy: Because you're a better person.
Will: Neither confirmed or denied. And Karen, how did that feel? You know that was your
Christy: manifestation of it, right?
Karen: did not feel good.
Christy: Now here, like suddenly he's calling you like, what you mean I don't care? I'm irresponsible. it's not important to me to work hard.
That's important to me. You know, you're right. I don't need this shit. You stay with it, buddy.
Gary: gonna take a break. Remember, you're the provider.
Christy: That's right. It's funny. What's important to your identity? Listen, I've had years to go through this.
We are laughing and, and I'm telling you, I'm here to tell you it's [00:48:00] gonna be okay. You're gonna have moments like this where you're hyperventilating. If I don't care anymore, I'm gonna be apathetic. If I'm neutral, life's gonna be boring.
If I don't worry about what people think of me, I'm gonna get fat and sloppy and right. All these things are gonna happen if I let go of these things. I believe that. Why people like me, why they love me, why they wanna be with me? Why do I have a beautiful home? Why? Because I'm all of these things and it's none of that.
It's a reflection of how I feel about myself and those beliefs are not helping me feel anything. In fact, you're having a conversation with your wife about being stressed out about work. Right? Do you have any idea? We don't have that kind of conversation. Oh, you're super stressed about work. Let me help you.
No, because we have done all this work. Work still happens. Things still go on, but nobody's stressed about it anymore. That's all you want
Will: this like deceivingly [00:49:00] simple. Like it's fucked up. Like it's,
Christy: beautiful
Will: though.
Christy: Yeah. It is an absolutely beautiful way to live.
And it's the thing, it's just like, I want everyone to know. Yes.
Will: But it's something that you can't just explain. Right. You've gotta walk them through it in order for them to find, you have to make the connection yourself. when it clicked, it hit me like a freaking mack truck.
Had we not been on camera, I would've been a puddle on the floor somewhere. I mean, it was that impactful to me. And it's crazy for me to say that because. I worked really hard for the past four years, and I've done nothing.
Christy: you haven't, got yourself ready to hear this,
Will: right? That's what you've
Gary: done.
Christy: Everything you've done has been important to lead you to this moment, and this moment is just going to lead you to the next one. You've done so much work, because if I had said these words to you two years ago or three years ago, your vibration would've been so down here that you couldn't have even heard the words.
So it's really beautiful. That's why we do these classes that we do. I [00:50:00] mean, these are things that we teach that, Gary taught to me over eight times of doing an eight week intensive course. And we have five or six other courses that we've developed together to take people through this approach, this way to live life.
It's not 15 minutes on a podcast. it's a lot of learning, but it, is so fantastic. And that's the community that we have people that are doing this work and helping each other do it. it's so much fun. But sometimes at the beginning it feels a little intense. Alright, here we go. My work, here's done.
I freaked him out and now I can go,
Will: like I said, in another podcast of this mic wasn't on an arm, I would drop it. That's incredible. I got a lot of work to do.
Christy: Yeah.
Gary: Well, I think this is gonna be a great episode. People are gonna love this.
Yeah. And so they're gonna be directed to new reality TV where I just uploaded a whole bunch of shorts. Yeah, [00:51:00] because you were talking about you have shorts on there. So we got a lot Joshua Shorts on. Nice. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome.
Christy: don't hesitate to reach out to me. if you don't reach out to me, I'm probably going to assume you're not doing it, and I'm not going to love and respect you because that will mean you don't have a good work
Will: That is so unfair. Isn't that mean?
Christy: Yeah. I'm a little mean.
Will: No, you're not supposed to take advantage of someone when they're down.
Christy: When else can I take advantage of someone that's the most impactful? So I
Will: I see what your plan is. You find the biggest weakness and you prey on it.
Uhhuh. Oh, I get it.
Gary: you found it. Good point. And it's not a weakness, it's just a Belief that isn't true.
Will: It's a false construct that I've gone my entire life believing, especially in the last few years.
Karen: And we ended up sitting in the car for two hours waiting for the tire guy.
And then he blew off work for the rest of the day and we had a good time.
Christy: Right. There you go. Because you're like, okay. And that's was part of that event? Probably part of, and nothing
Gary: actually happened?
Will: Actually [00:52:00] one person got a little cranky, but no, not really. Everything's fine.
Yeah. Great. Cool.
Christy: Okay.
Will: All right. Well go get to work you two. Thanks guys. I love you Thank you. Thanks for playing.
Christy: Thanks for playing.
Will: Thanks for taking the time outta your memorial day to do this with us. We appreciate it. Happy to. All right.
Christy: All right. Have a great day.
Will: Bye.
Christy: Bye.

Gary Temple Bodley
A channeler and spiritual leader
Gary is a channeler renowned for bringing forth the spiritual wisdom of Joshua, a group of nonphysical teachers. The leading-edge wisdom brought forth by Joshua helps people see their own lives from a much higher perspective.
A prominent figure in the realm of spiritual enlightenment, Gary has been channeling Joshua for 10 years and is a leading commentator on a vast scope of spiritual subjects, including Free Will, Shifting Perspective, Physical Densities, Manifesting, and the Law of Attraction. As Joshua, he has completed 1,000+ channeling sessions and globally connected with people to answer hundreds of profound questions on spirituality.
Along with his partner and psychic Christy Levy, Gary organizes coaching programs, retreats, and courses on how best to develop a higher perspective and leverage universal forces to create a more satisfying life.
Besides hosting the widely popular podcast Joshua Live and the Law of Attraction, Gary has authored 4 books on leveraging the power of spiritual understanding; notable titles include “A Perception of Reality” and “A Radical Change in Your Approach to Life.” His work was also the subject of a documentary titled “The Teachings of Joshua.”
On the podcast, Gary can channel Joshua to answer any of your questions. He would also love to talk about:
What he has learned through ten years of channeling Joshua.
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