What If Dying Is a Skill? A Conversation With Someone Who's Been Practicing

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-Garen. -Yeah.

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-I have a question. -Oh, yes.

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-I have a question. -I have an answer.

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-Okay, let's see. I'll put this in. -Oh, wow.

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-I didn't say it would be a good answer. -I should have had an answer.

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-No, no, no. I want you to really think about this before you answer.

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-Okay. -One of those questions.

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-Yes. -Oh.

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-Have you ever considered that dying, the actual act of leaving your body, might be a skill?

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-I have not ever thought about that. -Well, that is an answer.

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At the very least, yes. -Yes.

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-One that most people only get to practice exactly once.

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-Well, some people get to try more than they do. -Well, that's true.

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But either way, it's a terrible test strategy, by the way.

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Our guest today says that there's a specific kind of surrender required to leave your physical body.

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And she has been studying it. -Oh.

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-Not theoretically. She's worked with people on the edge of it.

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She's even traveled out of her body herself.

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She wrote a whole book about what, on the other side of the worst breath, you will ever take.

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And she has stopped on whether your dead loved ones are still around technically,

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whether they're conscious, whether they're aware, and maybe even watching you.

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-Ooh, that's no. -No.

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-Eat that piece of cake.

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-Oh, yeah. -At 11 p.m. in the dark.

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Stay with us. We've got a lot to learn in this week's episode of The Skeptic Medivision.

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-Hey, there I'm Will. -And I'm Karen.

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-Welcome back to The Skeptic Medivision.

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The only podcast where, so what happens when you die, is considered a light warm-up question.

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Karen, I've been thinking about death all morning, honestly.

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-Yes. -You know what?

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-It's the best mood I've been in all week. -What? No. Well, you've been in a mood all week. That's for sure.

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-It's the best. [laughter]

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-Today's guest decided that the space between this life and whatever comes next was worth

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dedicating her entire career to.

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Not in a morbid candles and cemetery kind of way.

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In a, let me actually study consciousness, neuroscience, and quantum theory,

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and then help real humans integrate the whole terrifying, beautiful mess of being alive kind of.

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-Wow. -Mm-hmm.

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-She's a founder of Journey to Worthy, a personal growth community that she built from the ground up in LA,

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which, if you know anything about LA, is either the perfect place or the absolute worst place to talk people into stillness,

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the self-awareness. -Probably both.

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-She is a trauma-informed, somatic, guided, restorative facilitator,

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and the author of the book called The Next Breath Life After Loss and Journey into the hereafter,

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which I want to be clear is not a sad book, it's a book about what happens after the worst thing happens.

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And apparently, what happens a lot more than most of us have been told.

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So please welcome to the skeptic manifestations Darnella Ford.

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-Darnella, how are you today, Anthony?

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-Hey! First of all, I have to say this.

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Hand down the best intro I think I've ever heard.

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-Like literally when I listen to you, I don't know, like I have like a child,

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it's like listening to you speak.

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It makes me, I was like, "Oh my God, I'm excited to meet myself."

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-I'm like, "Whoa, this is the coolest."

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-Oh man, this kudos, kudos to both of you.

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That was genius and brilliant and beautiful.

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And it really, it feels just felt great.

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-Well, that's awesome. Thank you so much for that.

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-That's great.

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-The only bad thing about that is that there's only one way to go from there.

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It has not up.

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We have not peaked at the intro.

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-We have not peaked at the intro.

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This is going to be an incredible conversation.

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And I love the way that you prefaced it, like a skill set,

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leaving your body and the average person will really only get to practice it one time.

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-Yeah.

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-And if they have a near-death experience, right?

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The average human, the average human.

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But yeah, that was so beautiful.

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Thank you for setting it up.

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-Perfect.

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-Setting it's a quizz at weight.

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-So, Trinilla, I got to ask, because I mean, what you do is so different than a lot of the stuff we talked about before.

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When you are at a dinner party and someone asked you, "What do you do?

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What do you tell them?"

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-Well, you know, it's so interesting because people ask me all the time, "What do you do?"

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I mean, of course, living in LA, that's the first question.

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Not even what your name is.

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It's like, "What do you do?

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What do you do?"

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"What's money do you make?"

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You know, this is LA.

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I live in the in-between, the physical and the non-physical.

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I live in the in-between between a very sane balance life, and that would seem absolutely insane.

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So, whenever someone asks, "What do you do?"

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I'm in the in-between of, "How do I answer this question?

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How do I assess where the person lives in their own mind and what they can process from me to even share with them?"

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I could make it really simple and say, "I'm a teacher."

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-Sure.

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-Yeah, I'm a writer.

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-I'm a teacher.

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I'm a facilitator.

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Or someone who's way out there a little further on the edge, I could say, you know, a spiritual facilitator.

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I can go into the more intimate parts of my life.

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And which is really interesting because the truth of the matter, I realized,

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it's something last week I was thinking about, this is as normal to me as breathing.

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This is this conversation that we're about to have in the things I've experienced is as normal to me as going to the storm buying bananas.

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It doesn't feel different or weird or odd now because I've been doing it for 20 years.

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But if I go back to the beginning, it was terrifying.

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It was disorientating.

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It was a flip-up side down of my reality.

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I wound up, so many people, sometimes, you know, you go in a life direction and it seems almost organic or natural that you'll end up here at this particular place.

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For me, it was the exact opposite.

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I had no propensity to do any, I had no skill set.

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I never saw dead people.

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I was not as sensitive.

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I was not intuitive.

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I didn't have any of the, I mean, to me, that was stuff that me and my friends used to make fun of when I was high school.

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-She sounds like you talk about me.

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-Yeah, I didn't have any of these two.

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-I didn't have any of these two.

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-Yeah, I remember going to, I remember going one time to lunch with a friend of mine.

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I'd met at the gym and she could make the best meals.

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She did the meal prep and so we became fast friends because she was a great cook.

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We went to the restaurant and she was the first person in my direct experience who was talking about reincarnation.

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And she talked for an hour about reincarnation and I almost felt like I was going to have a panic attack.

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I had no frame of reference and she had memory of past lives.

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Well, telling me how she lived and died and I thought, where is the chip?

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This girl was ripping.

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I didn't get out of here.

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That was my only experience.

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I just remember feeling overwhelmed at someone even talking about reincarnation because you know,

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I grew up in Catholic school and wasn't a reincarnation. You can go on heaven and hell or purgatory.

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So, you know, I didn't have a point of reference but soon my life would do a complete flip on its backside.

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And I would be exposed and immersed into this world of the unknown.

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And honestly, it began in a very human way.

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I was going through a breakup, a heartbreak.

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The man that I just knew, I was distanced to the love of my life.

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We were going to be married, a metamend McDonald's of all places.

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Isn't that funny? Metamend McDonald's.

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This man was just going to be, he was, when I saw him, it was like the heavens parted, the earth opened, the...

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You heard angels singing and the hearts flowing.

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Literally. And I knew I was going to know him.

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And of course, I went up and had the cheesiest line.

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I gave a stupid pickup line.

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I don't know. Anyway, he fell forward next thing.

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You know, he'd call me, we going on a date.

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He moves in the first date. He moved into my house.

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First date. Our first official date, he moved in that night.

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Oh, no.

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No red flags there.

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Right, exactly. No red flags there.

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Because I was young and dumb and he was very beautiful.

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And he had these hypnotic green eyes.

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And I was just a sucker for a beautiful man.

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You know, that's always been my Achilles heel.

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Anyway, that's another whole podcast.

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Mine too.

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No, no, no. That's funny.

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This guy moves in and we're together.

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And we're two years in.

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And he was an actor and a model and was moving into the business of being in Hollywood.

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So one day he finds a better gig.

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Literally, someone else who can pay more for him than I was paying.

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Right?

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But a great life lesson for me.

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So he moves out.

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And when he moves out, here's this crazy thing because we actually had the best time together.

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We had the best time we did everything had so much fun together.

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He moves out.

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I'm heartbroken.

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So it was the heartbreak that drove me down into this.

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Just I hit the bottom of my life.

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And I realize in that moment, looking at my patterns.

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Heartbreak, after heartbreak, after heartbreak, after heartbreak,

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after heartbreak, after man, after man, looking for somebody to love me, trying to fill up this

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absolutely like bottomless pit in my own heart and soul.

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That's how all of this started.

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I ended up then hearing the voice of the teacher through a CD.

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He was talking about thermal dynamic energy.

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And I left.

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I left LA for a period of time and I went to Washington State and I started studying quantum visits.

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I did all of this because I was struggling with depression.

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I was struggling to get out of bed.

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I needed a complete flip my life upside down in a way.

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And I was in so much pain.

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I wasn't so much pain.

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I did not know what to do to help myself.

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And I thought, okay, we know what I'm going to, I had already done church.

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I had done very many different religions.

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I had, I mean, I used to get Bible lectures when I was a teenager.

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I was going to be a missionary.

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I had a lot of religion in the past.

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So now it's time to do something different.

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So studying and I'm learning all these energy exercises and Washington from this master teacher.

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And being a faithful, faithful student to the work.

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Because I was so desperate to change my life.

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I started doing what would be considered more like Hall of Trafford breath work.

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Which if you know anything about Hall of Trafford breath work, it will.

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If you do it enough and write, you can experience it all the state of consciousness.

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Absolutely.

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I had my, I had an assignment.

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I would do this every night.

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And then one night I went to bed.

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And then that was the very first time I awakened outside of my body.

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I awakened going up into a spherical, it looked like a kaleidoscope of colors.

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And it's just spherical.

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And I'm going up, up, up.

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And then I'm completely awake.

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I'm completely aware.

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No reference for physical reality.

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No reference point for my body.

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And I'm flying through.

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Feels like I'm flying or gliding.

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And incredible speeds through what I'm calling the black void.

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The black void of nothingness.

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And all I see is little pentin points of stars.

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And I was there for just a microsecond.

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Really, I was out of time.

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So there's no real time.

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I was just there.

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And then I was back in my body, set straight up, said, what was that?

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And that's how it all started.

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And then I, then I, I didn't have the word.

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Before you go any further, I want to dive into just a little bit because you thought some points I want to clear up.

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Were you like, you had been a, you did the Hall of Tromperic breath work and then you went to sleep.

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But, but so you weren't like, it wasn't like you did Hall of Tromperic breath work.

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And then you went.

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It was like, yeah, the time after you did it.

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Right.

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And let me clarify that.

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I was doing the Hall of Tromperic breath work for months, for a couple months, several months.

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Okay.

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I was doing it every night.

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Every night it was part of my homework.

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It was like before you went to bed kind of thing or just...

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Before I went to bed, I was doing it in the morning when I woke up.

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I was just trying to be a good student.

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Really at the end of the day, I was just trying to change my life.

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I wasn't trying to lead my body.

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I was trying to figure out how to be better in my body.

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Right.

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I just felt like, yeah, that's what, that's what the motivation just, I was in, I was just tired of being tired.

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Right.

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I was tired of being depressed.

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I was just tired.

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I just, you know, if you would have taken me to a cow pasture and said, you want to eat this cow manure,

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I would have said, bring me a fork and a knife and a steak and a plate.

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Because I just wanted to be better.

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So when I said, I'd dive in, I'd dive in.

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Like the teacher said, do this for homework.

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Okay.

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No questions.

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I'm doing it.

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It's going to help me be better.

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It's going to pull me out of pain.

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Whatever you need, I'll do it to get out of pain.

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Right.

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Right.

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I know it's interesting is the experience that you just told us reminds me so much of that experience that I have when I was in college.

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Very, very similar.

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I wasn't doing the breath work or anything, but I was sleeping.

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And then all of a sudden it was like a bit of a rush and I was in like this black void with little tiny like lights.

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Yeah, clearly, clearly.

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But so dark, you can't see your hand in front of your face.

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That's right.

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And I heard like this a little whispering.

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And then I started saying hello.

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And then I heard she's not ready and whoosh.

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And then I woke up, but I couldn't even like sit up like I had no strength in my upper body.

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But that like your description, I'm like, that's the first time I've heard someone say something that sounded just like the experience.

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Well, I guess the question in my next question could be to you, but specifically for you don't know, don't know because you mentioned that you felt yourself going at high speeds.

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Did you like, what was that like do you feel in the wind on your face or was it like?

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No, I didn't feel when I felt the sensation of movement.

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I felt the sensation of movement at an accelerated non-calculatable speed.

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It would be faster than what we would, you know, think think of the clothes that you could come to it is when you're on a plane.

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And the plane's taking off and they sit and they accelerate and you feel that.

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Like the deep forces.

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Yeah, you feel that, but it's but it's way out of the park of that.

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It's it's it's not measurable.

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It's just like you are the you are the speed.

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You you are the speed that you're going like someone's pulling you long.

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I didn't feel that I've been doing it was pulling me.

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I just felt like that I was advancing forward under great force.

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And I was that I was that nothing was pulling a pulling I wasn't.

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I wasn't in any way resisting or being pulled.

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I just became it.

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That can make sense.

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I became the speed.

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Wow.

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It's almost like you can feel like how you feel like things get your body, but there's no body.

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But you can notice that there's no body because that's just how it is.

303
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Wow.

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I'm sitting here with two women who have had the exact experience that I've always wanted.

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Gosh dang it.

306
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So I'm kind of half joking only because I really do want to do it.

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But no, wait, in this case, it was for because of a traumatic reason.

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You're trying to escape the pain and really it almost feels like a dissociation.

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Like you disassociated from your your identity entirely to the point where you removed yourself from the whole plane of existence into another one.

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That was pretty pretty radical.

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So then so then now you you come back from that and for you wake up and you go what was that?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Where did that lead you?

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So I was I was obsessed from that moment.

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I said what happened to me?

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What happened?

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I just I wanted information.

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This is 2006.

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So even though yes, there was out of body travels and you know Raymond Moody had had a best selling book like after like you know there was Robert Monroe.

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Yeah, I'm not real.

321
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Absolutely.

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So journey down the body.

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But I wasn't in that you have to understand I wasn't in that realm.

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I was not in that realm of experience.

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I didn't know people.

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I didn't know I wasn't affiliated with any of that.

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So the only real my was in was me and my friends chasing boys.

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That was my realm.

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That was my lane.

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Like that was it.

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Once we got out of that lane, I was lost.

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So I started reading Robert Monroe.

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William Bowman, one of my favorites, still is adventures out of the body.

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I started studying this.

335
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I started finding everything I could.

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Obviously 2006, we don't have the level of information that we do accessible on YouTube.

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But all these other places now we didn't have you know you still had to work for knowledge.

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You still had to kind of do some research and really work for it.

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It wasn't you know I wasn't punching in Google to find this stuff.

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You know.

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So I started studying but then I decided to do something because I'm I always like to feel like I'm clever on some level.

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I said I wonder if I can if I can recreate that moment.

343
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I wonder if I can recreate it.

344
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If it happened once it has got me able to happen again.

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I did not have language that I have now after 20 years of study.

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But I was just trying to I would try to leave.

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And all I could do was visualize me leaving.

348
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And so I did that for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks.

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And I remember one day I fell asleep when I wasn't even trying.

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I had taken I had taken a hike in the mountains here in in Mojol, a mountain.

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And it was really hot and I came back and I said let me just take a little rest.

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And I laid back in my car put my seat back.

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And then all of a sudden

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taking a 20 minute power nap I lift up out of my body.

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And then I'm freaking out because everything lifted up out of my body but my feet.

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So I'm up out of my body but my feet are still in my body.

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And then I'm like oh wait wait wait wait.

358
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It had scared me that I forced myself back in.

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But that was the second really big experience.

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Then I started rolling myself up, stayed with that.

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And then all of a sudden I started.

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And then I started experiencing complete just bleeping out of this reality and entering other realms.

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In the beginning they were realms that were so infinitesimal.

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They were simply mathematical equations.

365
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I started seeing a lot will be considered.

366
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I like Egyptian hieroglyphics.

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I started seeing math.

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I started seeing these mathematical equations that were like 30, 40, 50, 100 numbers long.

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I started seeing all these numbers.

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And then I thought to myself is the mind of God, mathematical equation.

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Then I started asking questions.

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Is the mind of God mad?

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And how much does mathematics play into the infinite mind of God?

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And so I started experiencing, I started going into other realms.

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Then other teachers started meeting me.

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Now this is where it gets interesting because I started being met by teachers in other realms.

377
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Now, were they human?

378
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That's a good question.

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Because people always want to know where they're human.

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Some of them were and some of them were not human.

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Some of them were animals.

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But I don't know how to describe them because we don't have them here.

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They would come to me and they'd speak to me.

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I met a purple jaguar that I actually have a very profound relationship with on the other side of the veil.

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And I knew that when I encountered this jaguar.

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And I remember putting my hand on his giant paw.

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And it was the softest paw I'd ever felt.

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I remember, I felt it.

389
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Oh, yeah, the texture.

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And I remember that one was really hard because I was very sad because I knew I had loved him and had a relationship with this ad.

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Before I was in the body.

392
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I've always been the cat woman, the feline.

393
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I have strong relationship with felines.

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Always my whole life.

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Sorry, I've seen meeting a lot of the felines.

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And the lioness is my spirit guide.

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They guide me.

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They help me.

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I went to a dimension.

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One day, one night, I fell asleep.

401
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I went to a dimension.

402
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Now, by the way, I never know where I'm going.

403
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It's like Christmas.

404
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And the package and it's there, right?

405
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I went into a dimension where the children were the rulers.

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The children were the leaders because the children were so advanced in their wisdom that they ruled this land.

407
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And here, the interesting, you go into the water.

408
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So many of the dimensions that I accessed are two portals in the water.

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Do the ocean.

410
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I've flown in the ocean.

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I've gone below the ocean.

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I'm telling you right now, water is a portal system.

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It is a portal system.

414
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Again and again, I have traveled beyond this realm through water.

415
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Literally, it's flying right over the Pacific Ocean itself, going into the bottom of the water.

416
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Beyond human beings could go.

417
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That makes a different sense because people have such a strong connection with water.

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You know, it's soothing, it's healing, we meet it, it's inner bodies.

419
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It's what we're made out of most of it.

420
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We're mostly water.

421
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So this sounds incredible, amazing.

422
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And at the same time, the question has to be, you weren't under any, like you didn't do ayahuasca or any kind of psychotropic drug or any like that.

423
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This was just regular navigating.

424
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Right.

425
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So I'm glad that you said that because in 2019, I did my first ayahuasca journey in Peru.

426
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And I always pause in sharing that because people will say, well, yeah, of course, because she did ayahuasca.

427
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No, I started this in 2006.

428
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Right.

429
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Wait before.

430
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13 years later.

431
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So I want to really emphasize.

432
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13 years later.

433
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First of all, I've never even drank a cup of coffee.

434
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I've never had coffee.

435
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I don't drink.

436
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I've never done anything.

437
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I've never done anything.

438
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Wow.

439
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Well, 2019.

440
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So I'm just saying this.

441
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I drink, what I drink is water and green tea.

442
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That's it.

443
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Nothing else.

444
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Water and green tea.

445
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And I have green juice, kale and spinach.

446
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That's it.

447
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I don't drink.

448
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Again, no alcohol.

449
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No nothing.

450
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So I want to be, I wanted to just really set the record straight on that.

451
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Ayahuasca came to me in an out of body experience.

452
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Right.

453
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And that's how I ended up from a person who hasn't even had coffee all the way down to Peru doing the strongest plant medicine on earth.

454
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I believe it was one of the strongest on the planet.

455
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It was a big leap for me, but everything up into that 13 years led me to that interestingly.

456
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For the past seven years, I have done 20 Ayahuasca ceremonies in the Amazon rainforest.

457
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And I work with the shaman.

458
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But I have never, ever had an out of body experience while on Ayahuasca.

459
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How deep is that?

460
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Never.

461
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Never.

462
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Never been out of body.

463
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No, I'm in, I'm so deeply rooted in my body on Ayahuasca.

464
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Because it's so intense.

465
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My journey is so intense.

466
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I'm more in my body than I've ever been when I'm on Ayahuasca.

467
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So how do you explain your ability to leave your body and see all these incredible dimensions?

468
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I mean, there's no drugs involved, no alcohol involved.

469
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So how do you see all these things?

470
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How did that come to be?

471
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Okay, so I love the question you're asking because I asked it myself.

472
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So I'm going to, I'm going to say this.

473
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I believe there's a couple of things that happened.

474
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One, my focus, my attention and my energy was so intense after that first time happened.

475
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Right?

476
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:07,500
I believe I do believe the breath work opened up something.

477
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:08,500
Absolutely.

478
00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:10,500
The breath work, the level of breath work.

479
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:11,500
I mean, I would do breath works.

480
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:13,500
I almost passed out.

481
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:15,500
That level of breath work is going to open up something.

482
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:21,500
If you do it enough, the average human being is not going to be that dedicated to doing it twice a day.

483
00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:23,500
I did it, right?

484
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:28,500
So I'm going to say discipline and tension, the force of my own will.

485
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:33,500
Now, having the out of body experience, I wasn't expecting that.

486
00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:39,500
And then the subsequent experiences came as a year of, one year of putting myself in district discipline

487
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:47,500
to endeavor to master it or to have some level of command or at least to have an opportunity to have more and more and more experiences.

488
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:49,500
But I will tell you this.

489
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:54,500
I believe 20 years later because I always said, why is this happening to me?

490
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:55,500
Like, who am I?

491
00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:58,500
Like, I'm not, I'm not gifted in this way.

492
00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:00,500
You know, there are some people that are really gifted.

493
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:03,500
They've seen dead people their whole life at three years old.

494
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:04,500
You know, that was never me.

495
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,500
But interestingly, I will tell you this.

496
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:20,500
Though my out of body experiences have informed my in body experience and it has been the bridge that has enabled me to do the teaching that I do.

497
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:24,500
Without this experience, I could not be the facilitator.

498
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:28,500
I don't believe that I would be the facilitator that I am today.

499
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:32,500
I could not, I could not walk people through death.

500
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:37,500
I have set with people who are dying. I have walked them to good friends of my own.

501
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:41,500
I have been able to teach and speak on the death experience.

502
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:48,500
I've been able to do very unique forms of grief trauma for people who have loved ones who pass.

503
00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:49,500
Right?

504
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:59,500
So I believe that this, at least in my frame of how I see it now, this opened up for me because it was part of my soul mission here on the earth.

505
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:02,500
That's what I believe I do what I do.

506
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:11,500
Because of the impact that in the teachings and the things that I've shared and being able to share that with people all over the world.

507
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:14,500
So I believe for me, it was just part of my soul journey.

508
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:23,500
It was part of the mission for me to spread some level of light and understanding around the death experience.

509
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:29,500
It's the greatest mystery that the living will ever have is that unknown space of death.

510
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:36,500
And because at the end of the day, friends, we don't really know, not only do we really not know how to live,

511
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:38,500
even a few of us know how to die.

512
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:40,500
I love the fact that you said that.

513
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:43,500
I was going to ask exactly about that.

514
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:49,500
So you help people, I guess, to practice how to prepare themselves for death.

515
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,500
What is exactly that you do?

516
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:58,500
Well, that, okay, so I do everything from trauma facilitation because I have a background in neuroscience.

517
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:01,500
And trauma facilitation, I work with a lot of people who have trauma.

518
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:03,500
So I facilitate healing sessions.

519
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:05,500
I have work with people who are dying.

520
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:09,500
I have work with people who have had loved ones transition.

521
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:14,500
But I work with, I mean, let's say someone's working with me that is struggling in relationships.

522
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:21,500
I do something, you know, that someone who's had a sexual abuse, 75% of the women that I've worked with, and some of them in.

523
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:27,500
So I work with people, I meet them where they are, work with addiction, work with people who are struggling with addiction.

524
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:38,500
But what I'm saying underneath it, all of it, my understanding, my little humble understanding of a greater reality is always at play, no matter who I'm dealing with, what I'm working with.

525
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:44,500
I'm also understanding when I'm working with the addict, I understand soul contracts, right? Soul curriculums.

526
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:53,500
So that, that forms how I work with them to get them to understand, to release some of the shame and the guilt and that feeling of helplessness.

527
00:28:53,500 --> 00:29:03,500
So the goal is to empower people into the understanding that you are more than just this beautiful physical body that you are more.

528
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:12,500
There's so much more to you. And of course, listen, at the end of the day, we will all approach that door, not only for ourselves, but when our loved ones pass.

529
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:23,500
Then people get real curious about death, right? When their loved one is dying or when their pet dies or when their parents die or when God forbid, their child dies, then people want to know, what the hell, what's next?

530
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:28,500
Where are they? Where is my love? Where are they?

531
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:42,500
So, you say that the dying actually requires a special kind of surrender, right? So before we go too far down that road, I'd love to, I'd love you to explain to us what you mean by that.

532
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:49,500
Well, you know, the surrender is this. If you can wrap your brain around what I'm about to tell you.

533
00:29:49,500 --> 00:30:04,500
The surrender, as you're approaching the door to death, you will surrender your gender. You will surrender your sexuality. You will surrender your ethnicity.

534
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:16,500
You will surrender, believe it or not, your religion, if you have one. You will surrender everything that you think makes you uniquely you. You will surrender that.

535
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:26,500
Death will command that because you're not taking your sexuality with you, not taking your religion with you, not taking your, and also people may be shocked to hear that.

536
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:38,500
The death, the death experience is customized. People don't realize that the death experience is customized. That is why you experienced so many different near death experiences.

537
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:49,500
You will surrender that Jesus, or that Allah, or that Buddha, because the experience is customized to reflect and mirror back your belief system.

538
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:58,500
You believe in Satan, or baby, you will meet Satan, and you will come back and you will tell everybody it's real, right?

539
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:09,500
The unique surrender is the willingness to step outside of everything that you believe is you.

540
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:18,500
Imagine who would you be right now if I just stripped away, God, if I just stripped away your political affiliation, some people would just be done.

541
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:38,500
Because they're so, they're so identified by who they voted for, what party they're affiliated with. If I stripped away your title, if I stripped away your role, your work, your career, if I stripped away your race, your ethnicity, your religion, your sexuality, your gender, if I stripped away that, who would you be?

542
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:48,500
That's why I so many people, that's why that's the ultimate fear of death, right? Because I'm releasing everything, everything that I know.

543
00:31:48,500 --> 00:32:05,500
Right. And yet at the same time, how amazing would it be? Not just to resurrender everything that you identify yourself with in this life right now, but if everyone did that and realized that when all of that stripped away,

544
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:19,500
we were actually just one. Yeah. Right. So it takes a special kind of surrender, but how cool would it be to actually do that while we're still living? Yeah.

545
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:29,500
That would take it a special kind of surrender for sure. Yeah. And let me tell you something. Do you realize how much easier?

546
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:42,500
Not saying that obviously our roles and titles and all of these things are useful for us in navigating through the Earth's claim. It makes sense for us to be a girl or a boy or whatever in this dimension of course we're experiencing reality or

547
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:55,500
but I have had experiences where I have been in other realms and I have come back and everything didn't come back online at the same time and you know what that looks like? It looks like me.

548
00:32:55,500 --> 00:33:09,500
Trying to go, not who am I, but what am I? Like what am I not even like I don't even know the word name. I can't even know to ask what my name is because it's not hooked back in yet.

549
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:23,500
I'm not hooked all the way back up into my nervous system where all this information in my brain is stored and I'm just coming, coming right back in in pure just pure awareness. Right.

550
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:43,500
So I don't know what I am but I don't know where I am what I am. Who I am just that I am that why that is why I am is it. All I knew was I am I had no point of reference and and almost this panic like oh my god like.

551
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:54,500
I'm trying to figure out what what what is this and then it all comes back online seconds later and then oh yeah right I'm Darnell and with each of us.

552
00:33:54,500 --> 00:34:12,500
We carry the beauty of our story but we also carry the baggage of our story right everything that ever happened to us every wrong every betrayal every time we felt victimized the beauty of our story right and then every single thing that has troubled us.

553
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:35,500
That has held is held in our body the things that we haven't let go even at an unconscious level so when all of it comes back online all it comes back online so I always say to me part of the wisdom is learning and this isn't this isn't learned art form I believe you time something I'm still trying to learn don't know if I will ever master but carrying your story lightly.

554
00:34:35,500 --> 00:35:04,500
We take ourselves so seriously and I'm noticing something I want to share this with you both and I don't know I'd love to have your thoughts around it but in the metaphysical circle right many of us who have stepped into this arena have come out of religion I mean I come out of religion I was heavily indoctrinated I was hardcore in my religious belief systems as so many are around my body.

555
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:16,500
I was so many are around the world and then we enter this space people call they call it the metaphysical community of the spiritual community some people call it the new age or you know any of those labels could potentially apply.

556
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:24,500
And then you know what I observe I observe when I look online and I look at videos or teachers and people are teaching and speaking and sharing.

557
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:37,500
I see the same exact behavior that I saw in the church people judging they're not right what are they saying this and then everybody in the comments section is now an expert in the topic.

558
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:53,500
And if you bring up reincarnation you're going to then you then you I'm not coming back to this like I said it's amazing and I just start realizing oh my god in the metaphysical world we're doing the exact same thing that we came from in religion yeah that's all these religions.

559
00:35:53,500 --> 00:36:21,500
Looking at each other and pointing you know the Catholics are right no Protestants are right no the Muslims are right like we're doing the same thing in this community yeah I think it's because people get stuck yeah right people get stuck in their ego and they and they tied their identity to something and they were before they tied their identity to that religion now they tied their identity to this metaphysical modality whatever it is that's a practicing when at the end of the day.

560
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:34,500
The most important part of this experience is the next breath yeah see what I did there so let's.

561
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:49,500
So let's talk about the next breath is your book right so what is the breath before the one that you surrender everything look like because if you look at it this way this is where we're living in right now is that breath right before that last surrender.

562
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:59,500
Absolutely and I just to give you some context about the book the book took me four years to write and it was born on the hills of a tremendous.

563
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:11,500
I'm calling it on the human level an incredible tragedy one of my students and one of the gentlemen who he actually moved from Arizona to come and work with me and study with me and he was.

564
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:25,500
Incredible worked with me for years we traveled all over the world he was with me and true in the Amazon well he struggled with addiction and I believe he had some undiagnosed mental health challenges and on November 4th 2021 he ended his life.

565
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:33,500
Oh jeez I was called on the phone by his roommate to come because it was suspicious that he wasn't in the out of the room and he was in the room all day and.

566
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:51,500
I felt this energy in my room that surrounded me and I know that feeling I'll tell you the energy is in a moment but I jumped in my car and I drove there 30 minutes in the traffic trying to get to his house I got there and I pulled up at the house they had all the L.A. PD homicide they had the

567
00:37:51,500 --> 00:38:11,500
the homie they had all the black SUVs they want regular police cars and there was men and suits and detectives and long story shorty hung himself in the bathroom so that night was life changing for me and the book the next breath was born from living that night being a

568
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:23,500
being there when the corner pulled his body out having to call his mother call his father call his sister call my entire community because he was a big part of my community so the next 10 hours for me was just on the

569
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:38,500
fellow and just hearing people scream one scream after the other 10 hours of just it took me that long to reach everyone and the question for me ultimately at the end of this

570
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:54,500
experience was I sunk into a terrible depression and it was the question was as like when you are absolutely deflated and just

571
00:38:54,500 --> 00:39:05,500
leveled by the human experience because it can get very deep here in the things that we go through how do you catch your next breath when someone's in great grief tremendous grief or

572
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:30,500
when something horrible happens they always say I can't breathe I can't breathe that night I said I can't when they pronounced him dead I said I can't breathe I can't breathe clutching my chest so the question that I spent the next 4 years asking and answering in this book how do you catch the next breath

573
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:50,500
this book is incredible I mean I don't know is it wrong for me to say that because I wrote it maybe I'm going to do it no way but it really is honestly like when I leave this planet there are two things my daughter and my book this book

574
00:39:50,500 --> 00:40:17,500
those are the two things that want to outlive me this book and my daughter and this book is is is a poured on the writer I already had books published I was fiction writer I traveled that was on another whole life of mine I traveled and did book tours and did all that this is my first nonfiction book and I paired all of my spiritual lessons I had learned in the first half of the book the second half of the book is adventures into the character

575
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:37,500
so I captured handful of my in most incredible out of body journeys and more importantly the lessons they taught me because here is a thing friends I know like a lot of people want to have out of body experience and people pay money and take the last is and they do all these things they want to have these great experiences

576
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:56,500
I look at it like this it's not necessarily so much the opportunity to do the experience is great to be able to have it and see other worlds and realms but the more important thing is integration and how you hold that because the bottom line is listen we are here right here right now

577
00:40:56,500 --> 00:41:25,500
and ultimately one day we're all going to have an out of body we're going to have the ultimate every person is going to have the ultimate out of body experience guarantee it's coming for some people though I believe their soul is wanting them to focus on mastering life here letting life you know it's yeah once you're out of the body and you're you know once you're once you're free of the human constraints and the physics of the laws of physical reality

578
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:38,500
it's a lot easier it is a lot easier so but the challenges can we can we be in these bodies the question is not how do we get out of the body but Lord can we be in the body

579
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:52,500
because yeah we're so disconnected in our state in the world today we're not really connecting to our bodies yeah right so it's like how do I have an in body experience let's get some wisdom on and in body

580
00:41:52,500 --> 00:42:21,500
yeah I do yeah it's our nila you came here for me specifically I'm telling you if you know anything about me and about to show the I we talk a lot about my deep desire to leave my body to astral project and have an out of body experience and yet as late I've given up on that thought it doesn't become as it's not as important to me anymore because of exactly what you're saying I'm finding a new

581
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:36,500
relationship with my inner side my inner self that is so far richer than anything I could possibly have experienced anywhere that yes I'll get I'll get to my out of

582
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:55,500
body at some point but right now you're right my soul wants me to focus on me being here in the present experiencing all the amazing things I have around me and then getting in touch with who I actually am and then we'll see but right now I'm really

583
00:42:55,500 --> 00:43:07,500
really hyper focused on that and that is such a such a great message for people to get because it is so important the toys yeah they're fun and all but that's not what's important what's

584
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:19,500
important is who we actually are and tapping into who we are because that's what's going to make the difference not just us but to the world at large it's like you see a movie and if you're so focused on

585
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:36,500
having movie ends you're going to miss the whole story yeah yeah it's so true it's so true and you know I got that wisdom from my master teacher in in this context when I first started studying I was obsessed with reincarnation and of course I was I just knew I was somebody spectacular

586
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:47,500
in another light because I feel like this one was a dead so surely I love to be I can get it you see you can you guys you see you're remarkable to me yeah yeah at the time I was really

587
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:55,500
joking I was like I know I was I was I for a minute I thought I was Frederick Douglass and I was really on this because I was like I'm a writer and a speaker and just like

588
00:43:55,500 --> 00:44:06,500
favorite books and my hair was like is I'm like so I'm uncertain I was somebody great and grand in another lifetime and my master teacher said you're so obsessed with who you were in another

589
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:14,500
life you're so obsessed trying to figure out who you were in another life when you don't even know who you are this one and when he said that that was

590
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:24,500
like and that was the end I never even thought another second about who I might have been because I knew that that was true let me find me

591
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:30,500
in this lifetime and I will tell you something in the beginning I did use this as an escape is I once I learned the art of doing it

592
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:36,500
and when I learned the process that worked for me I don't know if there is one size fits all process I know people do

593
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:46,500
teach methods and methodology and even Robert Monroe at the Institute you know at his institute they teach it but I also too was using it as a

594
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:54,500
form of anesthesizing myself because if I didn't like something here I could just I mean the ultimate escape you don't even need

595
00:44:54,500 --> 00:45:03,500
to book a flight book a ticket paying money I can just go lay down and I'm out right and then teacher came to me outside of the body

596
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:12,500
he looked human but he said we're grounding you. We're grounding you and like grounding me me and grounding and keeping me in my body that's what they

597
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:24,500
meant by grounding me. Sure. So because I was using it I mean I was I was literally living more in the nonchistical but I wasn't just I believe that hundred percent

598
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:35,500
and I was just everything was everything was I mean like I just my focus I was hyper fixated on other being other someplace other than what I was

599
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:42,500
but my soul came here for very specific reasons just like yours and just like everyone we all have a mission or lesson or learning or curriculum.

600
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:52,500
We all are here for reason we're not just here by accident or call incidents we're here for purpose and we are the purpose we are unfolding as the purpose as we're

601
00:45:52,500 --> 00:46:06,500
living our lives so I always believe this with people who want to do it and try to do it or don't want to do I always feel like it happens at the intersection point when your soul decides this is a good time for you to have it.

602
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:18,500
I will stand on that I believe that because you have to also be able to integrate what you experience it's kind of like people doing DMT right they can take a hit on DMT

603
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:47,500
and you know it's not so much as having the experience is the ability to be able to integrate the realms the worlds and the things that you see because at the end of the day you don't want to do damage if you're already struggling here you don't want damage yourself by maybe experiencing something on the other side it's not all rainbows and unicorns not saying it's I'm just not saying not put fear people but there are some things that you can do.

604
00:46:47,500 --> 00:47:09,500
There are some things that you could meet that you might not be ready to see and to know and to experience and I have I have met all kinds of I've met ETs I've met beings that I can't even begin to describe to you what they look like and they were real I've had experiences where I have I have

605
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:37,500
have led the timeline of other lifetimes I have seen myself and just being very transparent when I say hard to digest I've seen some horrific things I've done in past lives I've seen myself be the victim and I've seen myself be the oppressor and then I have to integrate all of that right I have to come back knowing what I did knowing who I have been and integrate all of those pieces

606
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:46,500
so that's what I that's what for me not saying that's the experience everyone would have but I'm just saying in 20 years I've had a lot of different kinds of experiences

607
00:47:46,500 --> 00:48:06,500
I you know well since you've had these experiences and you've worked in this field for 20 plus years so you really know what happens when we cross over so the question I posed at the very beginning during a teaser I need to bring it up now because it's the burning question

608
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:33,500
like when our loved ones pass on are they still around are they conscious are they aware yes okay okay so in the immediate in the immediate moments as your loved one is approaching what's happening to them and what happened to all of us our frequency starts to rise we start to come out of sync with this with this frequency earth realm we come out of sync when that frequency rises

609
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:48,500
you're going to see what you cannot see when you are in the physical body we only see less than 1% of the visible light spectrum so you're going to have start to have a greater range of vision which means that's how you're going to see your deceased loved ones

610
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:59,500
that's how you're going to see your deceased pets because they are right here and they are also aware do their connection with you that you are in the process of transitioning

611
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:10,500
transitioning right which can happen over a period of days or weeks for some people even month or for some it'll be very instant as an accident or something such as that effect

612
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:19,500
there you are going to you are going to begin that's why you will find people as they're transitioning will start to look beyond you

613
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:28,500
they will look beyond you because they what's happening is the frequencies expanding and they're seeing oh wow there's so much more here

614
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:35,500
sometimes people are not even communicative at that point sometimes they are sometimes people will hear them talking to deceased loved ones

615
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:45,500
little freak oh my god he talking on the bomb on the dead for 20 years on the bomb is right here right there is so you will always be met no one this is what I want to say

616
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:54,500
this important no one dies alone never even if you die physically alone you're never alone because you are all ways met

617
00:49:54,500 --> 00:50:06,500
it only makes sense as above so below as within so without that's the ax him no baby is ever born alone even if it's just the mother no one comes here alone

618
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:18,500
no baby is ever born alone into this route and no one ever dies alone when they leave this route it's birth in reverse I have a chapter in my book called birth and reverse

619
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:31,500
that's all it's happening so you will be met by deceased loved ones you will be orientated you will the goal is to have the experience that is going to make you most most comfortable

620
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:45,500
so let's say you love mountains you will probably see the mountains say you love the water you're going to be on the water you're going to experience the direct and next environment that is in alignment with what makes you feel most at home

621
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and you will and you will you will have the exact same consciousness you're literally just going to be without the body but you'll be exactly the same you'll still be able to tell jokes you'll still be funny if you were funny and witty

622
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you said we had a little what do you mean if does it because that is my personality

623
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but we're like grouchy and crabby if you're grouching crabby you might still be grouching crabby for a little bit your consciousness does a director this is a thing people really think oh once you die you become no when you die you're literally just without a body or the exact same you're the exact same as you were in the beginning in the beginning

624
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once you over across the veil as you start to lose a little bit of the human traits right then you become more expanded as you start to get more expanded and the awareness then you get more disclosure into what the life was about you will experience a life review

625
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what's happening is your soul starts playing back your life and you will then truly then you will have the dissolution of separation that's what happens in the life review and that just that the reason that is happen is is oh I thought Mary was over here but when my life review I feel everything Mary feels

626
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that's because now we are dissolving the illusion of separation which is what this earth playing gives us the illusion of separation that we feel that I'm here and you're there but I and you are the same and then we experience we start to reintegrate back into the one this of what we actually are on the other side of the veil

627
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so everybody's process is going to be different again it will be tailored and customized to your own consciousness if you believe in Jesus you going to Jesus is going to come for you absolutely

628
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so what if you're an atheist you believe if the when you died lights go out and there's nothing there

629
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okay so that's a great that's a great question lots of near death experiences have been athiast and it's interesting even some of them have met Jesus who were athiast but here is what I believe happens our unconscious belief systems are what's creating our reality so any of the unconscious things that you have you're going to start rolling that real you may not even be conscious of it because even the unconscious

630
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even the person feels like I'm an atheist they could have been doctinated into religion when they were three four and five and accepted somewhere in the deep in the subconscious Christ and then it's unconsciously they're going to meet because you only meet where you're in resonance with so it has to somewhere be a part of their fabric of their subconscious mind for them to have that experience

631
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so it almost feels from what you're saying that that last breath when you say you said earlier that's when you surrender everything about yourself it actually that breath extends because you don't really surrender until you have your life review right

632
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well in terms of getting out of the body that surrender to exhale I always say that I always say that last breath the breath is the intersection point between the physical and non physical so the breath is the bridge

633
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here we're building the bridge every day all day because what we're doing inhale exhale inhale exhale we're inhaling and exhaling we're building the bridge this physical reality now that sacred holy holy holy holy moment

634
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final breath that final breath exhale collapsing the bridge now we expand into the non physical right right that's how I like to think of it anyways I mean it's a beautiful way of thinking

635
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man so I appreciate you bringing that up so if someone works with you what how can you help them how can you I don't know you've you mentioned

636
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you work with folks that have trauma and sexual abuse and things like that someone who's coming to you from this show specifically right yeah I do I get information about the person I find out you know what their intention is what they want why are they coming to me I do

637
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something called bio magnetic healing so I do remote work with magnets I also work with my team of guides in the non physical so I get guidance and intuitive promptings to help me work with the

638
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person so it's a combination of spiritual counsel spiritual guidance listening to them giving them feedback maybe helping them see some of their blind spots and then also taking guidance from my guys also

639
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facilitate retreats I do healing retreats I'm doing one in September September 27th in Joshua tree I always go I do my retreats where the land calls me the land

640
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speak to me and tell me where to come so September 27th October 2nd Joshua tree we doing a retreat exploring teaching I work from the inside out teaching people about childhood teaching people about the

641
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effect of growing up in the household they did but also overlaying that with their soul curriculum and why they had those experiences I also work a lot with

642
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patterns that thing that we find ourselves and over and over and over that we struggle to overcome but they're to that whether it's addiction whether it's whether it's relationship

643
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stuff whether it's a struggle with weight whatever the struggle is we all have we every one of us has a struggle with

644
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something that we have fought the hard long fight all life right so I'm not a pattern and I help people so it's I always say it's spirit guided

645
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it's spirit led I always clear but I'm not a savior I'm not a guru I'm none of those things I'm really just a simple girl who just had an

646
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extraordinary experience that took me down the rabbit hole and I just followed it and I and I woke up one day and said yes I'm willing

647
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yes I'm willing and you know say you're like a spiritual Alice

648
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okay okay yeah just yeah just willing to you know I do believe that from the looks of things anyway this is a big part of why I came to the planet

649
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so I'm I'm trying to I'm endeavouring to honor my soul contract and it's been a journey I mean this has been a wild ride for me this whole

650
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life but I think for all of us we were all here on this very unique time on the earth plane I'm going to tell you a question I want to I want to tell

651
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I want to tell both of you now what you do viewers if you do nothing else tomorrow morning when you wake up

652
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get very still before you retreat your phone before you get out of bed when you get your coffee brush your teeth even

653
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before you go to bathroom and just ask yourself go within close your eyes and say what does my soul want in this

654
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lifetime what is it really after what is my soul after that's how you that is going to start scrambling your programming

655
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most people what we want in life is what we've been taught to what we'd be conditioned to want what our culture says is important what our country says is important

656
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most of us have wanted you know we have a way we believe life should be depending on what country you're born

657
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religion and culture you know we're children are taught what to want in life but oftentimes our personality there's always this force the

658
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personality cell and the soul self those are not the same those are not the same so oftentimes we are in service to the

659
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personality right that system of beliefs and programs and what I've been taught what I've been educated and trained into versus my soul my soul that stirring within my heart that

660
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knows that I may not be on my path you know my personality may be saying stay in this marriage is good for me because I have kids my soul may be

661
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they get the hell out right yeah right so asking I feel like this in the end I always tell my one of my dear friends in the end I'll tell you how it ends the soul wins the soul will always

662
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win in the end the soul is what is infusing your next breath of life it is the soul and if the soul wasn't down for it you're out of here so always

663
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error on the side of the soul there's no error on that side but if you ask yourself what is my soul what is my soul really after

664
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and align with that you cannot lose you cannot go wrong you cannot lose you cannot go wrong no matter what if your soul says you're

665
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going to be a B farmer in the middle of Montana then get then get your boots and gear and go because that's where your best life is going to come from yeah

666
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and your soul not from the personality well that's an amazing way to leave the conversation your book is called the next breath life after

667
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loss and journeys into the year after we're going to add a direct link to your website in our show notes and we encourage anyone to reach out if you want to

668
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work with Darnela and I'm definitely going to get that book because it sounds fascinating so thank you thank you so much

669
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thank you