What Are the Signs of a Spiritual Awakening?

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- Karen, have you ever had a moment where the world cracked open?

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- I mean, I gave birth.

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That was something cracking open.

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I think I was me cracking up.

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- I was just gonna say that was you cracking open.

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But have you ever had a moment where suddenly you could feel things that you had spent your whole

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life ignoring?

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- I think I might have had a fleeting moment of that, to be once or twice, but it went away very quickly.

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- Well, today's guess says that that moment is not rare.

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It actually isn't reserved for mystics and it isn't even hard to find and you have probably had it before

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many times and didn't know to call it that.

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Now she spent 25 years training people to recognize that feeling.

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She was taught at the same college that trains the UK's working mediums

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and she says the doorway into that world is a lot closer than you think.

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- I like close doorways.

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- How close?

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You're about to find out on the skeptic manifestations.

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- My name is Will.

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- And I'm Karen.

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- And unlike Moldor and Scully.

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- Both want to believe.

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- So we've embarked on a journey of discovery.

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- We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world.

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- We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.

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I even joined a covenant with you.

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- And, wait.

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You joined a covenant?

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- Yep, all in the interest of finding something.

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- Anything.

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- That will prove that there's something beyond this physical.

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- Three dimensional world we all live in.

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- This is the skeptic manifestations.

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Hey there, I'm Will.

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And I'm Karen.

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Welcome back to the skeptic minute positions.

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I'm just going to say that the thing up isn't a metaphor, it's actually homework.

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Now we talk a lot on the show about the moment that someone wakes up to something bigger than themselves.

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Well, our guests have spent 25 years helping other people find that exact moment on purpose.

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Her name is Karen Dockerty and she's a Scottish evidential psychic medium

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and spiritual teacher trained to teacher level at the world renowned Arthur Finley College.

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And she believes that awakening isn't lightning bolt.

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It's a set of skills that anyone can learn.

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Karen Dockerty, welcome to the show.

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First question is, did I say your last name correctly?

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You certainly did.

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I got one right, Karen.

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I know you.

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That's a good start.

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Yes, it is. It's always a good start.

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It means it could be a good interview. All right.

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And I have to say I'm quite fond of your first name as well.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Well, Karen, we have a lot of directions we can take this interview in.

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So I want to see where the universe is going to take us.

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So first and foremost, the show talks a lot about spiritual awakening

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and as a spiritual teacher in psychic medium,

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who teaches others to become psychic mediums,

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what is your take on spiritual awakening?

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Is that actually a thing or is that a buzzword that we're making up on for marketing purposes?

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You know, it's a good question because there are a lot of buzzwords out there.

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There's a lot of commercialization of things.

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And you know, as opposed a way to sell it to everyone.

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But no spiritual awakening isn't just a buzzword.

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It's something that is an experience and that everyone can achieve to whatever level they're supposed to.

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I think that every one of us that walk this earth, we all come from the spirit world.

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We are born here into human form.

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We have our human life.

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And then when the body no longer can be here, we go home to the spirit side.

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And I think whilst we are here, it's important to remember that we all have that connection to the higher spirit,

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the divine, the higher part of yourself always connects to the spirit world.

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And that is where you will hear people talk about psychic because that is what it is.

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It's a psychic link to your higher self, which is always part of the spirit world.

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Right.

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So you just said something that I have not heard before.

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You said that people will awaken to the level that they're supposed to.

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So does that mean that everyone has different levels of awakening in you?

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You can't get beyond a predetermined level?

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I think that everyone walks a different life.

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We've got things in common, of course, but life's busy and sometimes people have a life where for them,

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they might do some development, but they might not take it as far as maybe they could,

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or maybe life's just not affording them that, not in a materialistic way, just in a time way.

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So I think what I mean by that is, you know, we can all develop and we can all address a spiritual awakening within ourselves,

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but it's how hard we want to work that is going to take it forward to the level that we need to take it forward to.

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And thus the homework.

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Yes.

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So why is it so hard, though?

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I mean, you would think that spiritual awakening is a returning to who we are in our real world or life

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or what we want to call it.

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Why is it so hard to stay connected if that's the case?

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Because we live in a very materialistic world, and we live in a world of matter, and everything here on the earth is quite dense and heavy.

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And that doesn't mean that people don't have good lives, and that doesn't mean that we don't enjoy life,

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but it is a world of matter, and it's not the same energy, like the vibrational energy of the spirit world from where we come from,

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is far different than this world.

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So we've got to kind of get through all of the noise.

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We've got to get through the busyness.

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We've got to get through the trials and tribulations of the physical realm, if you like.

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And that can kind of dull things out for us, you know, like we're not always aware of how powerful we are as spirit beings in human form.

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It takes a lot to get to know yourself on that level.

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And I would imagine also having, you know, these physical bodies, and we have our sense of, you know, sight smell here, touch taste that we wouldn't have in the energetic form.

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If we're just here for a little bit, we want to really kind of dive into that and experience those.

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I can see that keeping a sidetracked or distracted from something more.

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So I guess in that sense, that's the whole reason why we forget that we're spiritual beings.

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But we actually, maybe this whole thing is we're, we need to learn that we're spiritual beings so that we can live in the moment and experience the physical.

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But then if that was the case, why forget it all?

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I know. How do you learn something? You don't remember the name?

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Yeah, why forget it all?

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And I support, like I think you're exactly correct to mention that because we are supposed to live this life.

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I think that too many people go the other way where they might know about spiritual awakening or they might know about spirit and they're connected and then they forget to live.

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And we are here to have a human experience and we are here to live through that.

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But I think kind of having it in tandem is the way to do it.

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So I live my life just like everyone else does.

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I have the kids, the family, the child, the tribulations.

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But because I know who I truly am and because I have that faith and that knowledge and that connection, then it makes life a wouldn't say easier.

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But I know that I can rely on that connection and that faith knowing that I am getting through this because this life is temporary.

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So we've heard or been told or people will say that you sign us a create a soul contract or that even if that's not what you do,

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we're intentionally coming here to experience this.

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And I totally just lost my turn to thought what I looked at you.

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I had a really good question about oh, so if we're here and we're supposed to be here, why does it feel like we're all trying to get back?

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I mean, shouldn't we want to be in the physical stuff?

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And I think that that's what people do. They're so desperate to know what's their future, what's ahead of them.

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Even people are so desperate more now, I think, to find out their past.

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You know, here people go on about past lives and regression and things like that.

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And I think, well, you've got to remember that you're here for a reason.

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You know, we're not here to use our time to think about the past or the future.

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We're here to be in the present moment.

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And I think that again, the teachings that come from spiritualists or people that have this spiritual connection,

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you will hear most of them saying that, you know, don't worry too much about what you've got to do in the future years,

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but you're meant to be here and living.

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Unfortunately, I think that people will grasp on to what's in the future because it kind of takes them away from the present moment

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if there's something tough going on for them. And you understand that too.

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So I'm sorry, I'm just cutting you out.

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So you talked about having kids.

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How do you talk to them about this?

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And if you do, do you think children are more receptive and will ultimately have a better or easier time understanding it than adults?

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So, yes, children under school age will be quite receptive to this.

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So you'll hear a lot of people talking about their young children maybe having imaginary friends

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or having experiences or saying things. Where did they get that information?

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And that's because under school age, we still have our sixth sense.

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The kids are still very connected to their psychic side of things.

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When we go to school, the five senses become more developed.

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So the sixth sense kind of gets shelved a little bit.

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So children are under school age usually quite receptive to this.

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And my children have always been aware that this is what I do and this is what I talk about.

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And not that I ever wanted to influence what they felt and what their experience was.

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But I do have three children. They're all adults now.

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But I do have three children that are very psychic and very open to spirit.

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So as posing that sense, I've been quite lucky with that.

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In contrast, our daughter had one out of body experience and freaked out and doesn't want to know anything about anything about anything.

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In fact, she doesn't like the fact we talk about this stuff on the show.

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But she did have, when was she a little so she was I think two, not even.

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Maybe she had just turned two.

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And I remember her asking me, she looked at me and said, "Mom, why didn't you wait so long to have me?"

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She didn't know. I mean, I was 41 when I had her.

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Well, we had never talked about that. She had no way of knowing.

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I looked a lot younger back then. She wasn't as interesting.

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She looked exactly the same. I don't know if that's good or bad.

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You actually have gotten better over time.

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Okay, that's good.

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No, but that is...

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He's looking for brownie points.

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Well, he had them and then he just threw them away.

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Thanks for calling me out like that, Karen and we were talking about the dockerie.

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That's the score to shin me. You see, call things out.

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I like it. But in that case, I think that to Karen Docker, at this point, she was much closer to the veil at that time.

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So she was more in touch when she had this out of body experience.

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She was older and she was already in school and maybe not as in touch with that part of her.

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And now because of one experience, it freaked her out so much that she doesn't want to have anything to do with it.

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Well, she's an opening up to it a little bit, totally.

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With that breath-grab thing that we did.

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It can be quite frightening, you know, when things and like that, especially at a certain age,

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you know, I remember when I was kind of nine and ten years old.

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I was used to kind of see and spit it around and I just knew they were from the other place.

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I didn't really know much about it and I didn't know I was a medium back then.

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But I remember going to bed at night and having this kind of tug-of-war with my covers

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because spit it with pull on my cover.

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No, they would not pull.

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No.

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Literally fight to keep hold of my cover and then eventually they would let go.

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And I would have my covers back.

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And I remember that feeling and feeling a little bit, not slightens, but just a little bit like,

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"What, why does this happen?"

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Oh no, frightened is the perfect word.

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I mean, I just got able to sleep with a light off again.

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And now, her in-darkety.

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Yeah.

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But spit it will never harm you.

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That's the thing. They're not there to harm.

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See?

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But are there not in some spirits out there that don't have your best interest in mine?

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And they can harm you?

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You know, I know I hear about poltergeists and I hear about, you know, dark at energies

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or, you know, people of different names for it.

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In my experience, no.

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In my experience, yes, I've come across spirits and energies that are maybe a little bit oppressive at times

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or a little bit heavier in energy.

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Maybe they went through trauma or maybe their past and was traumatic, things like that.

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But not in a way to harm us.

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And I just happen to believe that if you work in the light and live in the light then that's what you're going to get.

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You know, it's just something that I believe.

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But I'm not saying there's not active spirit that can come across in a frightened way

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because people talk about poltergeists like they're evil or it's bad spirits.

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But quite often it's just spirit being spirit and kind of being like moving things about, you know, or trying to get someone's attention.

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So no entities that are there to stand at the foot of your bed and suck your soul out or anything.

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No, I think that's all holybent.

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I agree.

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And I think you just have to know how strong you are.

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And I think you put your boundaries up and you say, hey, sorry, not today.

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But see the thing is I think I believe I'm very strong.

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What?

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In different things, I'm very strong physically.

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In the ethereal realm, I'm not so strong. That's why I need protection.

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Well, you're very emotional, which actually is a very big strength.

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And out here in our country, it's the scene is a weakness, which is sad.

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But you're very emotional and you have that strength.

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And so you just have to pull up on that emotion and say, you know, this is not where you need to be.

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You go into the light, Carolina.

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And also it's about having the faith and the knowledge.

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I think that there's a lot of misconception out there, you know? And I think if you're going to read things, watch films, hear some stuff,

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they like people like to sensationalize things, they like to dramatize things.

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And that creates fear. And what we have to remember is our mind is a very strong tool.

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And if you've got a little bit of fear in your mind, it can magnify to such a level that actually you can start imagining parts of things as well.

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You know, someone's mind of spiders that you could put the tiniest spider in someone's hand, known it can never harm them.

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But that person is terrified of a spider because the mind will say it's a threat.

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And it's the same with spirit because we can't see spirit.

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And we might feel the energy or there's, you know, there's been activity or something like that.

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Your mind is going to tell you it's a threat. Your mind is going to tell you it's bad.

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But like I say, more often than not, it's just somebody trying to get your attention.

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Right. Well, A, I feel so called out by you on both side of the equation, spiders and spirits.

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But second, you're absolutely right. That is what happens. I close my eyes.

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It's in the dark or whatever. And I do feel the energy. There's something there.

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And I'm afraid that whatever's there is does not have the best interest.

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But are you feeling the energy of something being there or are you feeling the energy of your fear?

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I mean, it could be one of the same. Could it not?

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Yeah. That could be. And it could, and it's not that you're not feeling something real.

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You can be picking up on energy, but your mind's kicking in and telling you, oh, this isn't safe.

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Or we don't know what this is. So let's be on guard. And that's what creates that.

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Well, let's, I'd love going down this, this rabbit hole, which I did not expect.

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And none of this was in my notes. But so we talk about how you earlier you mentioned how powerful we are as spirit beams.

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And we're able to call things to us and things like that.

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We've talked to, I don't know how many people who say you can bring things into your reality by believing in something.

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So could it be the things that I'm feeling is something that I actually have generated myself?

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And if so, how do I cut it out?

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You know, it can be. It could be where you are really asking or you're aware of energy.

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So then you're setting that intent that you're feeling that energy. So you're going to feel it a little bit more.

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It could be in that sense. I think that when people speak about manifesting things and bringing things in to a degree.

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Yes, it's a world of thought. Yes, our minds are powerful.

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So we can foresee things and call things and set intention.

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Do I think that we can all manifest everything that we want?

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I'm not so sure because then if we could, we would, right? So everybody would have that life.

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But I don't want to mean assisting.

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So there's both sides of the coin there then, isn't there? So if you're feeling something and you don't want it,

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by the way that your mind might overreact to that, you're bringing more of it in, if that makes sense.

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Whereas I would just relax about it and start saying, you know, I really don't want to feel that now.

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So please step back. Thank you very much.

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And you will find that the spirit world will respect that, if it's them that surround you, they will respect.

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Why? Why would they, if they have evil thoughts or if they have bad intent?

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Why would they just say, okay, I'll just walk away.

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Well, I'm not sure that I would say that they do have evil intent.

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True, true, true. But let's say I can up on it.

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But we've talked about with other people about the fact that if you say, I don't want you here right now,

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you need to stay out of here like you with the stairway spirit, that kind of stuff.

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And there was a spirit, what, what, what until the story.

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So we lived in an older house a few years ago and we have a dog and he would sleep upstairs in our room with us at night and then do downstairs during the day.

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And one day I was walking upstairs and I just normal, like out of the corner of my eye, I swear I saw someone standing in the stairway.

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And it just like the brown overcoat a hat like a man, like an older man.

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And I looked again and there was nothing there. I'm like, oh, that's weird. Well, that day the dog would not go upstairs.

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He would stand in the landing and just bark look upstairs and just bark bark and this happened for like two or three days.

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We, if we wanted and we had to carry him upstairs.

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And so I'm like, maybe this was something. So I went to the stairs and I'm like, hey, you can hang out in the house.

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Just not the stairs because the dog needs to, you know, be able to come upstairs.

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After that, the dog ran up and down the stairs and it wasn't not a problem.

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Well, in that story, there's a reason that maybe the ghost was a gentleman said, okay, I don't want to scare the dogs.

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I mean, it would go somewhere. But if it was someone that was more spiteful, why would they go?

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Maybe we're attributing that personality. Maybe once you're an energy, you don't have that.

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And you could see that. I mean, like, oh my god, there was this creepy guy.

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And I just was like, it's an old dude hanging out, you know.

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I think your reaction is a lot.

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And I think that there is going to be times, I remember going to a house that I was going to be buying.

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And there was, it was beautiful. It was an old church and it was converted.

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I absolutely loved it. And then I went into the last room, which would have been given to my daughter at the time.

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And she was just like eight years old. And at the minute I opened the door, I was like, no, no, we're not staying here.

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We're not, we're not taking it. And I love the house. That room.

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There was something about that room that felt very off. Right.

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So it wasn't that I felt it was evil. It's not that I felt there was an evil spirit hanging about in there.

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I just felt the energy of that room, whatever's happened in there in the past or whatever's happened in this area is lingering.

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And that's not going to settle my daughter. She's not going to settle in that room.

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She's not going to be able to sleep probably. And I could feel it. And so I didn't take the house.

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So I think that if I had had that inclination to think, oh, that must be an evil spirit.

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And they're hanging about and they're not going to go. Then my mind would verify that for me. Right.

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Because your mind is there to make sense of things, to make logic of things.

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But I was able to discern, okay, it's energy. And remember ghosts are different from spirits.

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Ghosts, what we call ghosts is almost like a residual energy of something that's happened there in the past.

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So if you go into like in Scotland, there's many castles you can go into and you go into these castles or old buildings and you instantly can feel the energy of the past.

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You might even people say, oh, I heard soldiers marching or I heard drums or you know, I heard guns.

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But it's all just residual energy. That's not a spirit person at that point.

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Like there's no soldiers there at that point because they're all in the people that lived in the spirit world.

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But there's residual energy, which is a ghost, which is like a recording in the ether.

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A spirit is active. A spirit is a person that's still alive. So they're active. You know, so it's a different thing.

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Still alive or in the spirit world, I mean, alive in, okay. Yeah. That makes sense.

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Okay. So you can assure me.

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I think he's asking for a guarantee here. I mean, who doesn't need a guarantee, right?

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But you can assure me that no matter what, spirit cannot harm me.

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No, spirit are not going to harm you because if you think about it like this, I know that we see things.

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I know that people talk, oh, they got scratched or you know, injured or things like that.

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Yeah. I'm not saying their experience isn't real, by the way. I'm not saying that they have not experienced something.

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But in my experience, which is all I can share in my knowledge, is that they're, you are protected.

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Like I never think about it for one minute that whilst I work with spirit all the time every day, that I'm not protected.

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I just assume I know that it's okay.

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But then let's go back to your experience when you're young and these spirits pulling at your bed sheets.

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You know, that's really annoying. Why would they do that?

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Why would they, because they're not trying to scare you then at that point?

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Why do you think they were pulling it just to mess with you?

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I think it was other kids. I think it was spirit children.

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And I'll tell you, I had this experience when I came to New York for the first time.

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And I was staying at this woman's house, she was now a friend of mine.

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And all night, I could not get one bit of sleep because these spirit children

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kept running in and out and they were touching my arm, they were touching the bed.

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And it actually became such, you know, an experience that had to sit up, put the light on and say, "Please stop."

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Because it was really intense, really, really intense.

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And they kept showing me an old-school bell, like the old-fashioned-school bells that were drowned.

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And so I told my friend the next day and she was like, "I have no idea. I don't know what this is."

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So I was due to leave that day and go to Michigan and go to someone else's home.

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And I went to her home, it was a beautiful home. And she said, "Oh, these are new homes."

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She said, "This used to be the old-school."

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And I said, "Hmm, I said, you wouldn't know if there was a big old-fashioned-school bell."

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And she actually showed me the pictures and she was like, "Yeah, and I was like these children."

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So this is a residual energy and ghosts and whatever, but also spirit knew that I was going there the next day.

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And they were trying to get my attention.

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So at that point, I could have said that was really frightening.

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I don't know why they were doing that. They were touching the covers. They were poking at my arms.

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They were doing everything. And that can come across frightening.

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But these children weren't trying to frighten me. They were just trying to get my attention

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because they were excited that I was going there.

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So there's different ways that you can look at it. But in my experience, I don't ever feel like I'm at risk of being harmed.

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I think it's how you put your mind to it. You could say, "Oh, they were trying to get my attention."

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Or they weren't poking at me. Either way, it's not a decision, but kind of a decision.

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I just know that in my mindset, the way it is right now is someone yanked the bed covers.

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"Off of me, I would die. I would become the spirit."

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I mean, just being honest here. I don't think it was the mind of it.

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But that is true. Humans don't like that because we can't see what it is.

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Right? Now for me, okay, I can kind of tune in and see what's going on.

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But I'm not even as a medium. I don't want them appearing in front of me.

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And I don't want them doing things that are going to make startled me or make me jump.

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Because I have my human reactions to things too. It's just that I have the faith and knowledge to know that this is okay.

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So maybe you need to have the conversation. Whenever we move, when I walk into the house and like,

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"If there's anybody here, you can stay. Just don't freak me out."

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Just be nice and don't freak me out. So maybe you need to have that conversation.

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I mean, I just smudge the room.

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But maybe it's about how to clear the energy.

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Because remember, Lila.

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Yeah.

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So sometimes you need to acknowledge this. Okay, someone's here.

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Yeah.

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Just stay. You can hang out. Just don't freak me out.

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I'm going to go on to the audience. I'm going to know who Lila is.

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Lila was a ghost that we used to have in our house.

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Thanks for coming.

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Yes.

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And if you didn't acknowledge her after every couple of months, things would happen.

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Like shelves would fall off the wall.

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Like stuff would happen. Say, "Okay, Lila. We know you're here."

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So she's getting your attention. And again, that's what it is.

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So when people talk about pull through a guy's activity and things,

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usually it's just somebody trying to get somebody's attention.

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Well, when much younger man, I did a handful of paranormal investigations.

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And in one particular one, same similar thing is what you described

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with that house that used to be a church.

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The room was in an apartment and it was fine until we got into the back room.

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In the back room, you could feel like, "Oh, there's something not good in here."

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Why is that? Why would there be...

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And apparently this person who called us into the investigation

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had had different experiences. They had the...

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Continually, the covers yanked off her.

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And apparently she would be pulled off the bed and just really things

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that would make anyone go crazy.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah. So you could feel, but the energy, not knowing anything myself,

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the energy felt oppressive, felt bad, felt like whatever was in there

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did not want us in there.

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So if spirit are not really malevolent in any way,

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why would it not knowing anything about them? Why would it feel so malevolent?

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Because it can still feel...

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So let's say I get asked, "What happens when someone's being murdered in this life?"

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Or "What happens when someone's done something they shouldn't do,

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or it seems as bad or evil?"

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And I always say, "Well, they go to the spirit world the same as the rest of us.

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We all go home. There's no extra place for them."

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Now that doesn't mean that there's not different levels in the spirit world

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where at a certain point, you know, you're going to move up through the levels of development

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if you want to do it like that. But we have free will.

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So let's say someone here was that had done something really bad in life,

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or caused a lot of pain or something like that.

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When they go to the spirit world, they still have free will on where they're at.

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So we all got a life review when we go over, "Well, look at our lives and see what impact we've made

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whilst we've been here."

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If someone's been in a position where they've caused harm,

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then they might not accept that. They might think, "Well, I'm good.

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I'm good at the level I'm at."

428
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Or "That's fine."

429
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,000
And they will stay in that oppressive energy.

430
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,000
Then in this world, that can be felt.

431
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,000
So yes, whilst people are getting pulled out their beds and there's activity,

432
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,000
I'm not saying again that that didn't happen. Obviously that happened,

433
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000
and it's a very real experience.

434
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:36,000
But I often think that there's a lot to be said about these oppressive energies.

435
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,000
And because our human brain has to work it out, it'll just say good or evil.

436
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000
It'll just say that's bad or that's good.

437
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:48,000
I've done readings in the past where I felt particularly one that stands out.

438
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
This guy turned up for his reading.

439
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,000
And as soon as I see him, I thought, "Mmm, I don't want to read for this man.

440
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000
I'm just not feeling this."

441
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,000
But he said, "Me, I was turning up to Mr. Doolock and exactly say no."

442
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000
And invited him in.

443
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,000
And then as he sat down, he felt his father coming forward from spirit

444
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,000
who was not a nice man in this life.

445
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,000
And the energy of him was really hard to work with.

446
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,000
It was very oppressive, felt very heavy.

447
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,000
I didn't want to be in the energy of it.

448
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,000
So I got through the reading and the gentleman, the client that I was speaking to,

449
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000
also wasn't a good person.

450
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000
So I got through the reading and he left.

451
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:33,000
And for four days after that reading, I could still feel the father's energy around me.

452
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000
Now some people would say, "Oh, that's an attachment.

453
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
I don't necessarily call it attachment.

454
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,000
I just know that I could still tune into that and I could still feel him."

455
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,000
And he was very powerful as what I would say.

456
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
And he wasn't a nice man.

457
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,000
So I had to kind of sit, meditate, sit within my power and kind of

458
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000
try to dissipate that energy and try to move away from it,

459
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,000
which is the only way I could get away from it.

460
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,000
But other people might have said, "That's an attachment, that's evil,

461
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000
that's this, but I just didn't see it that way.

462
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
I just said, "It's just a spirit.

463
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,000
That's what it is."

464
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,000
You're blowing my mind because I thought when we passed on,

465
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,000
all the scales fell from our eyes, right?

466
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:19,000
And all of the pettiness or you think we see that we had personality-wise

467
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,000
in this world fell away because we were suddenly all just love.

468
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,000
You're saying that's not the case.

469
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000
We are just all love and light,

470
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
that just maybe you hear people saying love and light.

471
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000
And we are when we go to the spirit world,

472
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,000
that's how we are being in our ethereal bodies,

473
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,000
that's that we are bodies of light.

474
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,000
But that doesn't mean that we have let go of certain things

475
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,000
about this life.

476
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,000
So we have to make that decision to do that.

477
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000
So it's like if somebody, let's say someone passes

478
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,000
in very traumatic circumstances,

479
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000
when they communicate through readings,

480
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,000
sometimes you'll feel like they're still going through the emotion of that.

481
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000
It doesn't mean they don't know where they are.

482
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,000
And I'm not, people talk about earthbound spirits and spirits that are stuck out.

483
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
It's not something I believe in or work with.

484
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000
I know that we all go to the spirit world.

485
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,000
But I can still pick up on that spirit,

486
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,000
going through the emotion of the turmoil of things that happened.

487
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000
So it's same for personalities and characters.

488
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
You know, I can communicate with someone in the spirit world

489
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000
that maybe was not the best person when they were here.

490
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000
And I'll still pick that up about their character.

491
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,000
But that's because they will show me that.

492
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,000
It doesn't necessarily mean that's how they are now.

493
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,000
You know, I was thinking about that apartment you were talking about.

494
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,000
And, you know, the person's getting yanked out of the bed

495
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000
and all of the stuff which seems very, you know, that seems bad.

496
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Yeah.

497
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,000
But what if, because I was like to look at all the different possibilities,

498
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,000
what if that was a room where bad things happened?

499
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,000
And that energy that you were feeling was whoever was there trying to get you out of that room.

500
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,000
So you're not in the room where bad things happened.

501
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000
You know, I think she belongs in Arthur Finley College.

502
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,000
What do you think?

503
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,000
I think she's right.

504
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000
I was love to get.

505
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,000
She's very attached to it.

506
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000
I mean, you're very close to that veil.

507
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,000
That's, I mean, that's, that's a, that's a great thought.

508
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,000
And someone say it was a very polyannish way of looking at it, right?

509
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,000
The glasses have full kind of conversation, which actually goes right to the point that we're talking about.

510
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Depending on your fame of mind, you can, you can inc, decipher or

511
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,000
read energies in one way or you can read it another way.

512
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000
So I think you make a good point.

513
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,000
So you mentioned in the introduction, someone named Helen.

514
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,000
I didn't mention it in the introduction.

515
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000
Oh, well, when we're in the fall, sorry.

516
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Yes.

517
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,000
And I feel I don't know who Helen is or it sounds like she was important to that conversation.

518
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,000
Is that something we can talk about?

519
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,000
Yeah, I guess Karen, do you okay talking about Helen?

520
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,000
We know that there are tons of options out there.

521
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,000
And having you decide to come along on our journey of discovery with us,

522
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000
well, that's an absolute honor for us.

523
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,000
But if you know someone who would benefit from hearing the messages that we're sharing on the show,

524
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,000
well, why don't you do them an awesome favor and share the show with them?

525
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Take a moment right now and forward this episode to that person.

526
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,000
That's it.

527
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Just a simple ask for your help in spreading the word.

528
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000
We depreciated so much.

529
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000
It seemed not only will it help get the word out about us,

530
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,000
but it also might just change someone's life for the better.

531
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Hey, thanks for your help on this.

532
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Absolutely.

533
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Okay.

534
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:47,000
Well, Helen Duncan was a very preeminent medium back in the day,

535
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:54,000
who turned out was found not to be completely forthcoming.

536
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Okay.

537
00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,000
She was found to be, I hate to use the word fraud, but she was found to be deceiving in some way.

538
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:11,000
And the question is how can you work through those,

539
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,000
some of that you were connected with Helen for a while.

540
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,000
So you know, you know that energy well.

541
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:23,000
So how can someone discern or walk that path because it can be quite dicey?

542
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:29,000
You know, Helen was, was very, I mean, everyone knew Helen was an amazing medium until she wasn't.

543
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,000
So the story of Helen was that she was an amazing medium.

544
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:41,000
And the reason that she got found, I think it was witchcraft or fraudulent mediums act.

545
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:47,000
And the reason that she went to jail, she went to prison for nine months,

546
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000
because she, Helen Duncan was a physical medium,

547
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:56,000
which means that the spirit world would actually appear in the room within her seances.

548
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000
They would use the exoplasm from the medium, which was Helen,

549
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,000
and it would build into human form,

550
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,000
and they would be able to speak to their loved ones physically.

551
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:12,000
So what happened at one of our seances was that this sailor materialized,

552
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,000
and he spoke to his mother, and he told his mother that he had died two years previously.

553
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,000
The ship had gone down, they had the name of the ship, all the details.

554
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:28,000
So after the seance, this woman went to Winston Churchill at the time, who was Prime Minister,

555
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:33,000
and said, "You've been lying to me, my son's dead. Why didn't you tell me?

556
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,000
Why haven't you informed me?" And they asked, "Where did you get this information?"

557
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Helen Duncan, and then she was immediately arrested, and they thought she was a spy,

558
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,000
because nobody knew that information, because it was kept up their raps.

559
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,000
And so then they put her in jail, and they questioned her and questioned her,

560
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,000
and she was like, "This is what happens, I'm a medium, this is what happened."

561
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:01,000
And they charged her with fraudulent medium, and she was in jail for nine months.

562
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Then what happened was, and by the way, whilst she was in prison,

563
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Winston Churchill had readings from her, right?

564
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000
So, well, it's very fraudulent then.

565
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,000
She was actually very much amongst high society people, as well, like high society people

566
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000
wanted to be at her seances and things.

567
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:26,000
But what happened thereafter was she was released from prison, and she swore she would never do another seance again,

568
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:33,000
because she had basically lost part of her, or lost her freedom, and she was tarnished with this.

569
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:39,000
And the beg, "Please, please, please," so she did another one, and it was a setup.

570
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:45,000
And when she was in trance in the altered state, and the ex-plasm was in the room,

571
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
the police raided the seance.

572
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,000
And what happens, when that happens, and the medium has to come back to herself,

573
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:58,000
the ex-plasm goes back into the body, and she died of internal burns, because of the whole process.

574
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,000
Wow!

575
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:06,000
So her granddaughter, Margaret, who is in America, she has spoken with her many times and friends with her,

576
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:12,000
she's still fighting for a free pardon for her grandmother, because she wasn't a fraudulent medium.

577
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,000
She was genuine, but because of her experience, this is the story that's out there.

578
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,000
But spirits should all know that Helen was in this medium.

579
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,000
There is a lot of information about Helen out there.

580
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,000
It talks about the fact that the evidence was actually a cheesecloth.

581
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,000
How does that fit into all this?

582
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,000
So they tested her, because ectoplasm is white, right?

583
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
It's like white kind of cheesecloth, that's what it looks like.

584
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,000
But they did test her.

585
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:48,000
Helen went in the stricter of all her clothes and everything, and she went into the uns to prove that there was nothing.

586
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Like they said she'd swallowed cheesecloth and she was regard to taking it and it just doesn't make any sense.

587
00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:00,000
But obviously back in those days as well, everything was very much undercover.

588
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,000
Like we know more now, we're very open about it now, there's much more out there.

589
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,000
There's not many at all physical mediums these days.

590
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,000
There's not many materialisation mediums, if any.

591
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,000
What is that?

592
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Well, we live in a different world now.

593
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,000
We're in a very fast-paced world, you know, where everything's at the fingertips.

594
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:25,000
And the mental mediumship is what kind of took over the materialisation.

595
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:32,000
Plus we don't have these materialisation mediums and physical mediums just to sit in development for a long time.

596
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,000
That's what there was to do, the sat every night, you know, in home circles.

597
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Now the world's too busy, mediums are too busy, like we've got their families and this and that, and it's just a different world now.

598
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,000
Right.

599
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
I did that now that ectoplasm was a real thing.

600
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
You thought it was just a good spot.

601
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000
I thought I was like, it's a success.

602
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000
That's my only experience without word ever.

603
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,000
So what is ectoplasm?

604
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Yeah, so ectoplasm is the substance that comes from the medium and it's kind of mixed with the physical, like dust particles and things that are in the physical world so that it can turn into matter so that it can build up into something.

605
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,000
So with Helen, it would build up into the people.

606
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:28,000
And there's a lot of photographs online that you can see in some of them, like other materialisation mediums, some of them they'll say are fake pictures and they do look really fake, some of them like they really do.

607
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
But there's many out there that are genuine as well.

608
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:37,000
So when they materialise and this substance happens, are they like, like you can touch them physical or...

609
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,000
Yeah, they can come near you.

610
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:47,000
Like as my understanding is like nobody would just reach out and touch that, like they would wait if the spirit touched them that's different.

611
00:40:47,000 --> 00:41:04,000
But in a physical sense like that, in a physical circle, you really are sitting still, you're not allowed to clap, you're not allowed to make any loud noises, you're not because that's for the medium, the mediums in an altered state, which means they're not aware too much of what's going on in the room.

612
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:11,000
If there's a sudden noise or a flash of a camera or something, it joltes them and that's what happened with Helen.

613
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,000
Wow.

614
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:20,000
So I see actual plasm as like, you know, with invisibility, she owns someone's invisible and you throw a blanket over them, you see their image, kind of like that.

615
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,000
It becomes like the like a blanket or the spirit.

616
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
And then does it just disappear when they're gone?

617
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,000
Yeah, it'll just diminish.

618
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,000
It'll just diminish.

619
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000
And it's coming from the media.

620
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,000
And then it goes back that way and diminishes.

621
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Oh, wow.

622
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,000
That's why.

623
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,000
If I understand correctly, Helen was actually the last person to be arrested under this act.

624
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,000
She was. She was.

625
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:52,000
And funnily enough, when I came into my mediumship and didn't really know much about famous mediums or any of that, but Helen stood out to me.

626
00:41:52,000 --> 00:42:00,000
And I don't know why and she was fairly local to me to where I live as well. And she worked in the local hospital and things.

627
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,000
And I was kind of quite obsessed with that, you know, I walked the road that she walked.

628
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000
I went to see her old home and things like this.

629
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:13,000
And then years later, I was asked to demonstrate mediumship at the Helen Duncan Convention, which is down in England.

630
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:21,000
And I went and I brought through this woman and I gave all the information and it was to four women sitting at a table.

631
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:27,000
And I knew that the woman I had was a very, very big believer in mediumship and all of this.

632
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Lots came out and then they came up to me at the end and said, do you know who you had?

633
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
And I said, well, I had your grandmother because I kept saying this was your grandmother.

634
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000
And they were like, yes, yes, yes.

635
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000
And they said, yeah, Helen Duncan was our grandmother.

636
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,000
And so it was actually Helen that I'd been working with, but I didn't know that.

637
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,000
Wow.

638
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,000
And that's what that's why I became friends with one of the granddaughters.

639
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,000
Right.

640
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,000
And that's how you connected Helen Duncan.

641
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,000
That makes sense.

642
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Amazing.

643
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Wow.

644
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000
Great story.

645
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000
So does Arthur Finley College come into play here at all?

646
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,000
Did you learn from Helen because of the college?

647
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:06,000
And for those that maybe don't, we're tuning in who may not know the heritage of Arthur Finley.

648
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Can you share with us exactly what the Arthur Finley College is?

649
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Who it's for?

650
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,000
Yes.

651
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,000
The Arthur Finley College is in Stanstead in London and it's a spiritualist college.

652
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:24,000
And it was bequeathed to the spiritualist national union from Arthur Finley because he was a psychic

653
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,000
philosopher and he was a spiritualist.

654
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:32,000
And he wanted the continuation of studying spiritualism and mediumship to continue.

655
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:39,000
So he left that building to the spiritualist national union who then took over and it became

656
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,000
this world-wide college.

657
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,000
And it's still the world-wide college.

658
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,000
And it becomes to, it's a big, beautiful mansion house.

659
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,000
It's absolutely gorgeous.

660
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:54,000
And there's lots of teachings, lots of different tutors and teachings that go on there all year round as residential as well.

661
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,000
So people come from all over and they get to stay within the building and things.

662
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000
That's very amazing.

663
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,000
That's very cool.

664
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,000
And you teach there, currently?

665
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000
I don't teach there at this point in time.

666
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,000
I'm working towards my teaching there but I am a certificate-look teacher level.

667
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:17,000
So I'm kind of going through the rest of the qualification but I do teach on SNU I which is spiritualist national union internationals.

668
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,000
That's online for overseas students.

669
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,000
So do some teaching on there.

670
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:26,000
And that Arthur Conan Doyle Center in Edinburgh which is also associated with the college too.

671
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,000
Arthur Conan Doyle Center is a sociopath Arthur Finley College.

672
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,000
Interesting.

673
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,000
The man who created all those hilarious figures, I wouldn't think would be involved with that.

674
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000
That's pretty amazing.

675
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:44,000
Well, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was an amazing spiritualist and he did talks and he was friends with Arthur Finley.

676
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,000
He had been at the Arthur Finley College many times.

677
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000
An amazing man.

678
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,000
I didn't know that.

679
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
It's elementary my dear.

680
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,000
Oh my goodness.

681
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,000
Wow.

682
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000
So how do you now, how do you work with people?

683
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Do you strictly do readings or do you do any coaching?

684
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000
What is your work?

685
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,000
Yeah, I do.

686
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,000
Work like that.

687
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:14,000
Day to day I do readings, I have clients that's all online in Zoom and telephone because a lot of my clients are not from Scotland.

688
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,000
They're from all over the world as well.

689
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:28,000
And then I teach, I do mentorships, I do online workshops, I teach for the SNU I and sometimes online demonstrations of mediumships as well.

690
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:34,000
So when people contact you for reading, is there something that is more typical that they want?

691
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:40,000
Is it like they want to reach some relatives that have passed or they want to know about their career?

692
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Like is there something that's a topic that's more I guess common that people ask you about?

693
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000
I do think it's a bit of both.

694
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,000
I think that many people come when they're looking for something in their life for themselves.

695
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:58,000
Like psychically they want guidance or they want answers or they want a projection of how life's going to turn out for them.

696
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,000
And I always say when people come for the psychic reading, you know what I can't tell you what to do.

697
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,000
I can only give you the potential of things that may be on your path.

698
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,000
So a lot of people come for that to pendant, you know, work and relationships and all of that kind of thing.

699
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:18,000
And then many come for the mediumship which is connecting to their loved one and get an evidential mediumship.

700
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:28,000
And is this something that you can kind of turn off or turn on because we have some people say you have to close it down otherwise you have the grocery store and you're like, "Hey guys, this is, you know, you're constantly getting this information."

701
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,000
It's only if you're from Long Island.

702
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,000
Exactly. So yeah, no, I don't need to close it down.

703
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,000
I mean, there are certain ways that we perceive it ourselves.

704
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:47,000
My idea is when I leave my office or when I go home or have done an event and I go home, that's my signal that I'm not working.

705
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,000
So I don't really have a ritual or something that I have to do.

706
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,000
And I know that other people, other mediums might do the opening up, closing down.

707
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:02,000
I think it's just dependent on what you need. But for me, the best way to become grounded again is just to get back into life.

708
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,000
You know, you're going to speak to the kids, are you going to go shopping or you're going to go home and make dinner.

709
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,000
That's enough for me to just be back in this world.

710
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Right. So going back to the intro then just for a second so that we pay off what we promise we're going to do.

711
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:29,000
We talked about having those moments that just break you open. That suddenly you realize that you are feeling things that you didn't know you that were they are all along.

712
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:36,000
And you mentioned that you can help people to notice them better, to understand what they are better.

713
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,000
Can you share with us a little bit about that?

714
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Yeah. So when you're going through part of this journey, which is kind of feeling things or just becoming more aware,

715
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:52,000
the first thing that you do have to realize is you are born here with that intuition. Right. So that's your psychic senses.

716
00:47:52,000 --> 00:48:04,000
So there comes a point in life, I think, for people where they do sense things on a different level. And it might be because life things have happened to them or it might be because they've lost someone or that they're looking for something else.

717
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:10,000
And there's just that kind of spiritual realization that maybe this life just isn't it, you know, that there's maybe more.

718
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:31,000
And what I would say to people that are going through that is, you know, start to take notice, like bring your awareness up and you can bring your awareness up by meditating or walking in nature and just having quiet time to yourself, asking for signs, asking for help or guidance, because we all have a spirit team working with us.

719
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:44,000
And we all have that, it's not just mediums that have that. So we all have a very kind of spiritual team around us. So if you're asking for guidance, you're going to get it.

720
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:56,000
But the biggest thing is be aware, like switch your own awareness on, which means taking time out of this world as in TV, phones, you know, all of electrical stuff.

721
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:13,000
Walk in nature or sit in the quiet or sit at the beach or wherever it might be that you can remain in a kind of secluded place within yourself and start to become aware of how that feels and start to become aware of your inner voice because your inner voice is your higher self speaking to you.

722
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:21,000
I always say to people, you do have an inner satnav in life, you know, and it is your soul that's telling you things. So you've got to learn to hear that.

723
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:35,000
Maybe that's your narrator. Yeah, yeah. No, definitely of my narrator. Well, it's one thing I definitely, and thank you for that. That's great help for me specifically.

724
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:44,000
But I would be remiss if we didn't talk about this one thing because I found it in a research I did on you and it absolutely floored me.

725
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:57,000
You've actually, with the advent of the telepathy tapes and people talking about folks that are nonverbal and yet are able to have to speak to their caretakers telepathically and things like that.

726
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:09,000
You apparently are able to communicate around dementia patients as well. How is that different to communicate to those beyond the veil?

727
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:21,000
So, you know, it was really strange way this happened for me. So I was like maybe a few years into my mediumship and I had a client that came to see me and I kept saying to her, I've got your mother here and given details.

728
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:30,000
And she was like, that sounds like my mum, but my mum's still here in this world. And I was like, oh, okay, cool. So let me just go into this a little bit more and see why I'm getting it wrong.

729
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:41,000
So I kept going back and I kept hearing this lady talk to me and she was telling me things and this, my client was like, well, yeah, that all makes sense for my mum, but my mum is definitely still here.

730
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:49,000
And right away I said, your mum's got dementia and she said, yes, now that was my first experience of it. So I didn't know where this was going to go.

731
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:57,000
But it made sense to me, right? Because I could feel the lady, I could feel her energy, I could hear her. She was telling me accurate information.

732
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:08,000
So all of this was kind of revelation for the client, but also for me as well. So afterwards I sat with spirit and thought, wow, you know, I didn't realise that I could do this.

733
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:16,000
And then it was like, well, of course, because you're still people with dementia kind of trapped in their body, if that makes sense.

734
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:31,000
And then your mind is kind of hijacked, they can't work through their mind, but their soul is still free, their soul is still there. So basically when I tune into them or when they come to me is because they're kind of in between.

735
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,000
They're free in their soul, they're not free within their body, but they can still communicate with me.

736
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:50,000
I'd never heard a medium talking about it, so I felt like I was kind of on my own with it, but then it started to happen lots of times. I've worked with people many hundreds of times now with people that are still in this world that have dementia or Alzheimer's.

737
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,000
And the only other medium sense that I've heard talking about is John Edward.

738
00:51:54,000 --> 00:52:06,000
I loved John Edward always and followed his work always. And I said, yes, like somebody else gets this, this is amazing. So it is quite an amazing experience.

739
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:13,000
I can imagine. So is there something you can do? Like someone can reach out to you and say, hey, my father has dementia. Can you communicate with him?

740
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:23,000
I can try. Yeah, I can try. I can never guarantee anything as a medium. Like any client that comes to me, I always say, I can't guarantee connecting with your loved ones.

741
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:32,000
I can only open up, see where we go. And I'll always be honest about it, you know, because there has to be honesty and medium shouldn't. There has to be authenticity.

742
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:38,000
And the reason why I asked it because most of the time when you talk to a medium, we hear about a medium, they say, okay, let's see who's here.

743
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:47,000
And so you never know who's going to come through. I might want you to talk to my father, but my grandfather might come through instead. So that might be.

744
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:54,000
So it's not like you can you can just on demand say, I'm connected. I'm talking to this dementia patient for.

745
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:03,000
It's I would never say like you could do that on demand, but what I will say is it makes complete sense to me that that person would want to communicate.

746
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:09,000
So I can never guarantee. And even sometimes, you know, if someone does desperately want a certain person.

747
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:20,000
And I can connect with them. It might not be the strongest connection. So again, I will always say to someone, listen, I've got your dad here and I can feel him and it can give them bits that I get.

748
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:29,000
But I cannot also say it's not the strongest connection that I would like, but your mom's here and that's a stronger connection. I don't have control over that.

749
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,000
But again, it's just about the honesty of all.

750
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:41,000
Sure. So Karen, what is the what is the most exciting thing happening in your life right now? Anything new that you want to make sure the audience knows about?

751
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:51,000
So I am starting a new mentorship in September. Applications are opening for that. So that's a thing that that will be on my website and social media.

752
00:53:51,000 --> 00:54:03,000
But I'm also working my way through the process of doing the shoot around at the Arthur Finley College. So that's going to take up quite a bit of time as well, but I'm excited about that too.

753
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:12,000
Well, someone wanted to take advantage of your mentorship or you want to get a reading from you. What is the best place to turn to to connect with you?

754
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,000
Just the website, which is Karen Docker to dot com.

755
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:25,000
That's easy. It makes it easy. If you're watching this video, you will have seen that lower third pop up. If you're just listening to this, just go to skepticmanivision.com.

756
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,000
Go to Karen's episode page. You'll see the link directly lead into the show notes. It's easy for you to connect with her.

757
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Karen Dockery. You are amazing. Thank you so much for coming and spending this time with us sharing of the rhythm. It was absolutely fantastic.

758
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:47,000
I have a feeling that this won't be the last time we talk. So thanks so much for being on the show.

759
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,000
Well, thank you for having me and I would love to come back on again.

760
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,000
Excellent. Count on it.

761
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:58,000
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