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Karen. Yes, there are some guests who need an introduction.
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True.
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And then there's Susanne Geeseman. If you spend any time
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seriously exploring consciousness, mediumship, or what it actually means to
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live in awakened life, you already know her work. She's
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one of the most trusted respect voices in the modern spirituality,
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not because she tells people what to believe, but because
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she insists on experience over doctrine. Then we don't really
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need to explain who Suzanne Geeseman is. I mean, if
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someone listening doesn't know her name, they've probably already paused
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this episode. Go google her. But people talk. People hear
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her talk about consciousness, connection and meditation all the time,
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and they assume they're the ones that are doing it wrong.
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They're sitting, they're breathing, they're emptying their minds like spiritual overachievers,
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and yet nothing.
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I wish I could make that cricket sound.
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Well, that's why I careen this conversation matters. What if
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the problem isn't that nothing's happening, but that you're clearing
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the room right when someone's gonna knock on that door.
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What if you're clearing the room right right, when the
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world's most famous knows this stuff, person would tell you to.
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Stay and there's a problem.
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Well, that's what this conversation is. It's not hype, it's
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not mystery. It's just Suzanne calmly pointing out that emptiness
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isn't the goal every time, and that curiosity beats effort.
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If you're frustrated because you're doing what you were told
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and still looping, what if trying harder is the wrong instruction,
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and what if one grounded reframe changes how you experience
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meditation entirely.
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That's a lot of questions.
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It's a lot of questions, and Suzanne has a lot
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of answers. That is the conversation today with the one
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and only Suzanne Geeseman on this week's episode of The
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Skeptic Metaphysicians. My name is Will and I'm garous, and
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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
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me physical world.
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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even
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joined a coven of witches.
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And wait, you joined a coven yep.
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All the interests of finding something, anything that will prove
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Three dimensional world we all live in.
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Today's guest is a former US Navy commander who didn't
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abandon logic on her spiritual path. She brought it with her.
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And what makes her extraordinary isn't just what she knows,
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it's how rigorously she questions it, tests it, and teaches
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others to do the same. She doesn't lead with fear,
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she doesn't sell certainty. She leads by modeling clarity, discipline,
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and deep personal responsibility. And honestly, we're just grateful, grateful
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for her time, grateful for her steadiness, and grateful that
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someone with her depth and integrity is willing to sit
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down with us and with you for a real conversation. Hey,
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there's Suzanne Geezman. Thank you so much for coming on
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the show today. How are you doing?
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I am doing great. I get to talk about my
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favorite subjects, so oh yay, really we do too?
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All right, Well, I'm pretty sure that almost everyone who
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is listening to the show right now is familiar with
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who you are and your story, but there are always
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some people that are tuning in for the first time,
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and so for their benefit, would you mind just giving
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us a little taste of how you got mixed up
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into all this because you don't come from a traditional
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place where people would think do you become a medium
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from right?
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First of all, starting with my family, no religious background,
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no spiritual background, nobody saw spirits. I never saw spirits,
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and never even any talk about the afterlife was quickly
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squashed because my parents were short of The big curtain
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came down and that was it, and so I didn't
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even dive into that. Then I joined the military because
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my older brother had a career in the Air Force,
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and I thought that looks really great. So I joined
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the Navy and spent twenty years as a naval officer,
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rose to the rank of command or had command of
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a shore unit. I was in the Navy when most
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women were not allowed on ships. So I oh, served
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the shore, but I had some really great tours taught
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at the Naval Academy. It just nine different assignments. The
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most exciting one was when the Chairman of the Joint
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Chiefs of Staff asked me to be his aide de camp.
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That meant got to fly on Air Force one with
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the President, said inn on Figger hearings on Capital, He'll,
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I mean really serving at the highest level of the
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US military. So very exciting, but very left brain career
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and pretty rigid too. But I know now that I
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must have been rather intuitive because I got that job
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as the ad because I was really good at seeing
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what he needed. But was that really just using my
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left brain to stay out of trouble? I'm not sure.
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I didn't question life until nine eleven, when I was
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in the last aircraft in US airspace and came back
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to our burning office building, the Pentagon, staring at that
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gaping hole and thinking, these were my colleagues, who are
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now what I mean? You know, one minute here, one
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minute where gone? So I started asking the deep questions then,
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but I didn't have a way of getting answers. I
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didn't find any satisfactory answers, and so I set that aside,
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and the day I had twenty years in the Navy,
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I retired with my husband so we could go live
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our dreams. Having seen what happened to people who were
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my friends and killed on one so I realized now
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that each one of us comes here for an opportunity
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for our souls to shine, and mine was not fully shining.
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Simple.
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I mean, I was friendly and loving, but I didn't
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really understand the depths of our connectiveness with everybody. And
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I was caught up in my own story just like
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most people are. And so sailing across the Atlantic Ocean,
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sailing around the Mediterranean on our sailboat, that was how
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I escaped from the world until my stepdaughter was struck
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and killed by lightning. Yeah, she was a sergeant in
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the Marine Corps, is crossing the flight line. A bolt
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literally out of the blue sky killed her and her
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unborn baby, our only grandchild, Gees. And so now I'm
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back to asking these deep questions again, but this time
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it was really personal, and the big transition for me
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was seeing her body at the viewing at her funeral
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and just suddenly having an epiphany that there's a part
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of us that can't be killed. I knew that Susan
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had to still exist in some form, and by some coincidence,
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I'm using air quotes here. I'd been led to a
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book about medium six weeks before Susan passed, and I
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read it and some of the things I read just
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sounded silly and fanciful, and I hid the book so
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my husband wouldn't see what I was reading.
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String to a medium.
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It's just ridiculous that something universe has.
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But I would expect, especially because of the world you
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came from. It was very pragmatic. Is even in the
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word it's more gosh.
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Everything like regimented and just regimented.
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Yeah, yeah, so you weren't really, I mean, you wouldn't
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think someone in your place would have a way to
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wrap your mind around something like.
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This, didn't. I remember on nine to eleven going to
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the chaplain's office and picking up books pamphlets that they
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had laying around, and that just did not provide the
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answers that I needed, because it was a deeper longing
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from the soul than what dogma would just teach us
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by culture.
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Yeah, yeaheez, oh my gosh.
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And so then after your the viewing of your daughter.
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Did it did something? Just like how did you got
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the eyes?
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Or right?
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This story is told beautifully in a documentary that was
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produced last year that gives real proof of the afterlife
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of you're skeptical metaphysicians. You would love Wolf's message. It's
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it's proof. I can use that word proof that we're souls.
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But I tell the long story there. The short story
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is I began meditating that week when Susan died. This
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was two thousand and six, when meditation was not as
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common as it is now, and it's still not common enough,
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because it will change your life if you just spend
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a few minutes a day sitting in stillness. But I sat,
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not realizing I was training myself for mediumship because I
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held a single pointed focus. Susan, show yourself to me
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with my eyes closed, I would sit, and that required
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me to watch how my mind worked. I didn't realize
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I was training myself in focus, concentration, and quieting the mind.
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And Susan held back for three years on purpose. She
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later told me from the spirit world because I had
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so much to learn. If she had come through right away,
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it would have been mission accomplished great here, Susan got her,
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Now what's next in my life? But instead, I was
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not going to stop daily meditation till I connected with her.
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So in the meantime, my intuition came back online because
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that's what happens when you meditate. And then I also
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took my husband to a medium. He didn't even know
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what one was. I read this book, so I said, well,
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let's see if it's true. So we went to a
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meetingum without giving her our name so she couldn't google
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us and find out about Susan. And she left both
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of us in tears with the evidence that Susan was
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right here if you know where too. My husband was
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a destroyer captain maybe captain. He is not gullible, and
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there was no denying she was right there.
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That's incredible, you know. And it kind of going back
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to it about being in the military and talking about
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kind of making that leap and doing the meditation. It's
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interesting because sometimes you have to have that sort of
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military like discipline to make yourself meditate all the time.
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So even though you might think it might be a
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hindrance to getting to this more spiritual place, I think
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it actually probably helped you to I know I do
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that focus.
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Yeah, because until then, my number one priority every day
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in the military we call physical fitness PET physical training,
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and every day it was got a pee every day
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every day. So even after I retired, I'm still that
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way seven days. But meditation became the new priority one,
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so now I had two priorities every day, and so
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it definitely was discipline. But I tell those who say,
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but I don't have any discipline, then the better word
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is commitment, because when you know in your heart that
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your loved one who you're just so long to connect
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with still is here, because it's something nobody can tell
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you otherwise about. When you know you know, then don't
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worry about discipline. That longing, that knowing that leads to
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commitment and it works.
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And when you said you knew that she was there
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and that you both left the session crying, was it
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a feeling or was it like actual proof she said
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something and you're like, oh my gosh, only you would
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know that, or that's it.
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It's the latter because it took me several years to
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get to the point where I would feel the presence
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of spirit. And even when Susan came in the first
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time I knew was he her, more by the sound
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of her voice and the feel of her personality than
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seeing her. But the medium gave us piece after piece
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of evidence that she couldn't possibly have known. There's a
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young woman who passed suddenly in her twenties. She's wearing
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a brown uniform. She was a marine. She was calling
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my husband ty Daddy. But the biggest clincher was when
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she said, oh wait, oh, wait, one other thing. She said,
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I have this tingly electrical feeling running up and down
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my body and she died suddenly. You know it's and
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I have this. I have the headache of Zeus and Athena.
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Zus is the god of lightning and the tingly lightning strike.
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there's somebody else here. She's bringing with her a little
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baby boy she wants to introduce to you. Wow, oh
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my god, Susan was pregnant with a boy. Yeah. Wow.
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We were just sobbing because yeah, we can't make that up.
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There was more, but those are the biggest rounds.
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have been meditating every day for a very long time,
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and nothing has ever struck me as strongly as this
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has struck you. So I must be doing it wrong, so.
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Wrong.
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So but because my meditations are so, I'm full disclosure.
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I'm a Gemini. I get I get bored very easily,
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I lose interest in it. So I some days will
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do mindfulness meditation. Other ones will be focused meditations. Others
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will be journeys. It should it always just be focused
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citations for this.
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There's no should. But what's most helpful is a very
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clear intention each time. And so I'm glad you're doing
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journeys because those can be fascinating and revelatory. Michael has
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usually been to connect with some being that can share
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with me insights and information I don't know that will
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serve me and the greater good. So that greater motive
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is very helpful as well. Right, It's not just to
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puff up your ego. Oh wow, I connected with Albert Einstein.
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You know it's going to provide something of value that
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furthers your awareness of who we all really are as
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a soul.
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Okay, So my goal has always been to empty the vessel.
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not thinking about anything, but rather just thinking about one
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thing constantly.
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few blissful moments of just emptiness. Yes, but that emptiness,
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that pure awareness, now has so much potential. Let it
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arise as some awesome experience. So you're no wonder you're
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not having experiences. You want to be empty? I say,
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fill it up, bring it up, all right. So it
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makes a lot of sense like that.
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I mean it does, but it goes contrary to everything
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that I've learned in terms of how to do meditation.
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So see, and this is what we talk about. So
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we've been doing this podcast together for years. We're married,
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we've been together for a very long time, and everyone
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thinks that we think the same, but we actually don't
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at all. And I know, right, but I think everyone's
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you know, you can, you can read the books and
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do all that, which are wonderful, wonderful tools, but everyone
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is going to have that very different experience, so you
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can't necessarily say only what works for one person's going
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to work for someone else.
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Okay, So then I am now empty and now I'm
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asking universe to fill me up. Is there a specific
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way to do that? Or do I just see what happens.
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I have a method I call the seven steps to
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connect them with higher consciousness. And the seven steps form
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the acronym bless me. And it's breathing deeply, lifting your vibration,
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expanding your energy field, surrendering the identification that you are
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this person with a name.
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And then the.
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Shift is basically not shifting higher, not shifting outside your body,
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that's the second s and bless me, but shifting to
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I call source joy, shift to joy, and that is
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the emptiness. Now joy can show up in its limitless manifestations.
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So the next stage is m merge. Merge with one
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of those manifestations in awareness as awareness. So you sit
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here and you can actually say, okay, whoever wants to
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come to me now because it's going to provide me
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some learning. Come now. And now you go back to emptiness.
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And the final letter E is experience. And now you
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sit empty, but you've invited someone in. So for this session,
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you're going to listen, look and notice what stands out
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from the emptiness. It's all awareness.
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Yep, I've been definitely doing it wrong wrong.
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You're probably far more peaceful and intuitive than most of
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the people you know, so you haven't done anything wrong.
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You're just now going to shift your focus and have
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what I call more adventures and consciousness.
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Oh I like that.
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I love that, And I think also not necessarily having
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the expectations because you know, if not you but a
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lot of people expect to feel a certain way, and
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I'm kind of my thing is just like, surprise me now,
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let me know you're there. But it's perfect.
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on I do a podcast every Sunday and then I
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have a short video every Wednesday. And last week was
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some of the things that get in the way, and
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one of them is assumptions, and that's all on my
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YouTube channel. But assumptions such as you're going to have
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bells and whistles now every time it's not going to happen,
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will so be happy. It's okay when there when nothing happens,
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but buckle your seat belt because there will be sometimes
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but we don't always know how that will show up.
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Well, it's funny because I think there's a very specific
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reason why I am experiencing what I'm experiencing. Basically, when
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we first started this, I was all about the bells
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and whistles. I want to ask project, I want to
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talk to the dead. I want to all that, right,
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I want all the all the toys. So I had
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to actually come to center to the point where I
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can be let go of all that and just be
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and then allow it to open up to let whatever
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comes through come through. So that makes perfect sense.
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I just yeah, And that is the normal path. So
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you're not doing anything wrong. You're actually at that beautiful
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stage now. And I know that joy and its various
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manifestations holds back until just the right time. So as
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you learn to trust, you say, well, if nothing's happened,
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and then we're just in this fallow period of germination,
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and I can't wait to see what happens. But I'll
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be patient.
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I trust.
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Right, I'm at the point where it's not so much
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trust but rather Okay, whatever I'm surrendered to, nothing's gonna happen.
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And that's fine. I'm enjoying the bliss and I'm in it.
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I see a tremendous, wonderful change in me, and I
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am enjoying who I am these days because of this.
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If something's meant to now I'll be more intentional in where.
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Please, because you just gave away a big key right there.
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I'm surrendered to nothing's going to happen. See that underlying
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bs this belief system, belief system.
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What do you think?
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So if that's surrender, but I believe, well it's just emptiness.
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I'm surrendered. Nothing's gonna happen. You're creating that. You're co
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creating that. So now just do what Karen said, just
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be curious and say maybe it well, maybe won't, but
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I can't wait for to just watch it unfold.
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But we got to see the peace monks.
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That was amazing. That was the most amazing thing you did.
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But well yeah I saw it from a distance, but
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just being close to them was good enough for me.
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Yeah, And just little things that we wouldn't you know,
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we didn't expect that to happen. There's this winter storm coming,
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there's no way. We're like, let's get in the car,
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get the kid, get the dog because we can get
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a dog watch, and let's just drive out to a
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couple hours and just find a hotel and you know
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all of those things.
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My friends just did that three days ago.
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This is amazing. It was. It was amazing.
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That's where we were. It was three days ago.
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Yeah, yeah, I know. It's because they were freezing. Yeah,
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it was.
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We were in the same we were placing next to
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each other.
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Probably very possibly Karen woud chalk drawings on the road.
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Did you see chalk drawing?
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I don't think we did. We saw all and snow,
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lots of snow.
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All right, so okay, so sorry to have gone down
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that little detour, but I thought it was interesting. So
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now that you have you open yourself and you got
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undefatible proof that this is true, that this is really
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you're connected to your daughter, how did you deepen that
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connection and transition into a broader mediumship.
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Well, after that reading with the medium, I just knew
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I had to share with the world this is credible,
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that there are credible mediums out here and that evidence
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will change your life, not just oh, your grandmother's here
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and loves you very much. So I found a credible
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medium and gayman, and she agreed to let me write
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her biography. That became my first hay House book, The
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priest and the medium. And then I met her next
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door neighbor at lily Dale in New York, where a
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medium community, and that was Janet I don't havoc. And
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she asked me to write her biography. She was a
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wonderful medium. She crossed the veil about two years ago.
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how she worked. And she taught mediumshift. So I sat
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in the back of her classroom watching and thinking, Wow,
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you can teach this. There are systems. Can you imagine
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how my military brain love her. You mean, you can say,
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every time you sit to do a reading, I want
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you to tell me how you passed, how old you were,
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what kind of work you did, and all these things
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a list and they'll give it to you. Well I
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could trust that then, yeah. And so I'm sitting there
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just to write her book and she pointsed me in
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the back of the room and says, Suzanne, there's a
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spirit here, come up here and tell us what you send.
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I could have killed her, you know, I had no
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idea I had these abilities, but she did. Janet did
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and re enacted this scene in my documentary Messages of Hope,
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which is on YouTube and Amazon Prime, and I just
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stood there and closed my eyes, and I did not
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feel any spirit. To this day, I do very clearly,
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but at that time nothing. But I sensed a man
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in his seventies who was an engineer and passed from cancer.
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All about the things from the list, and I'm thinking,
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I'm pulling data out of the air. This is just stupid,
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you know.
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I thought this.
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Is not real.
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And this woman in a classroom raised her hand and said,
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that's my dad. He was seventy, an engineer, died of cancer.
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are the chances of that? What are the statistics. Meanwhile,
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here's Janet saying, yeah, that feels right, and he's showing
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me his birthday was March thirty first or whatever date.
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She said it was the right day. And the girl
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goes yeah, And I'm looking at Janet saying, you mean
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there really is somebody here. You mean I got that
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from spirit? And Janet pushed me two more times, get
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some more, Susanne, get some more. All I wanted to
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do was sit down, but she's pushing me, and that
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Navy training, well, I'm not going to say I can't
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do it.
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So I just stood there, shut my eyes. And the
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biggest life changing moment for me was when I said,
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I see a pair of black patent leather shoes and
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I hear the name twinkle toes. And his daughter said,
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my dad was a ballroom dancer and more patent leather shoes,
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and my mom always called them twinkle toes eat out
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of towels. And I remember, I mean, that's one piece
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of evidence. I could now fill forty eight hours of
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interview with wows because the spirit world knows I'm not
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going to do this work unless they give me wows.
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Almost every reading I got to get wells. If I don't,
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I call off the reading. But you can train yourself
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to do that. But that was a moment for me
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where I said, you mean I could bring the kind
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of life changing comfort, healing and growth to others like
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that medium did for our family. I could do this too,
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And from that moment on, my life has never been
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the same because it's been my passion and ask my
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husband my obsession, how much more clear can we make
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this connection? So the meditation continued. I had not even
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connected with Susan yet at that point, but I could
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do it. Too. I continued that as my daily practice,
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but made the acquaintance of guides and beings that I
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used to just totally dismiss as fanciful. But I required
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evidence and I would get it. So just open up
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so much for me. But my main focus now is
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I don't want to be pigeonholed as a medium. To me,
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mediumship has been a fabulous path to self realization, to
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coming to know who we are. So my main goal
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is to teach people to live what I call the
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Awakened Way. It's basically based on three principles. That we're
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not only human, like the songs say, like the excuses
494
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we make, well, I'm only human.
495
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No, you're not.
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Access to information and love and peace, wow, things we
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don't think we could possibly access. And then number two,
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we're part of this amazing interconnected web on both sides
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00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:24.480
of the veil, physical and non physical, and what does
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that mean for you? How would that change your life
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if that were true? And then the third one is
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that where there's no separation, that's love. So because we're
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part of this web, love is what guides us. Love
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is our source, Love is why we're here. And if
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we're not expressing it. That's why your life is not flowing.
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00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:51.599
You are so speaking Karen's language right now.
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Absolutely, And say, one of the things that that I
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harp on a lot is so many people have certain
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expectations of what love and it's so much more than
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a romance or a mother daughter or like any of
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those relationships. It's everything. It's so much more than that.51200:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.039
And I think that's what people need to understand, because51300:28:10.160 --> 00:28:12.519
when they don't have that one relationship, they feel like51400:28:12.519 --> 00:28:14.799
they don't have love in their life. Well, there's plenty51500:28:14.839 --> 00:28:16.200
of other ways to experience it.51600:28:16.640 --> 00:28:20.119
Oh yes, Yeah. When people are grieving a loved one,51700:28:20.759 --> 00:28:23.720
they go inside, they shut themselves off, And I say51800:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.119
the best way to heal is go serve somebody some way,51900:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.960
or an animal, get out in nature, because that's love,52000:28:31.359 --> 00:28:37.480
connecting with something outside of yourself through what's inside you. Right.52100:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.240
Yes, it's so interesting that we're talking about. I mean,52200:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.240
the universe works are such beautiful ways. We just talked52300:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.240
about going to see the monks three days ago. One52400:28:47.279 --> 00:28:50.000
thing we didn't mention, sorry, carrying them mounting you here.52500:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.119
But as soon as they passed, we got back in52600:28:52.160 --> 00:28:54.559
the car and we were starting to drive away, and52700:28:54.599 --> 00:29:01.599
she opened up just boss sobbing from the sheer joy52800:29:01.599 --> 00:29:05.680
and love that she experienced from just having that. It52900:29:05.799 --> 00:29:11.119
was what twelve seconds with a monk that just opened53000:29:11.200 --> 00:29:16.200
up her heart so completely. That and even the whole53100:29:16.279 --> 00:29:19.079
walk everything that they did, the twenty three hundred mile53200:29:19.359 --> 00:29:23.279
truck that they're doing with Barefoot across the country in53300:29:23.319 --> 00:29:26.119
the name of peace and love. If you hear them talking,53400:29:26.960 --> 00:29:32.039
they're talked all about mindfulness and love and so just53500:29:32.079 --> 00:29:35.519
something that's simple as the interaction with the monk shows53600:29:35.559 --> 00:29:38.119
you what love actually the power that love has.53700:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.400
So and that's why mediumship is such a beautiful path53800:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.400
to that awareness, because you can't get information that you53900:29:45.440 --> 00:29:50.079
don't know without questioning how is that possible? That one54000:29:50.200 --> 00:29:52.839
question is what led me down this whole path to54100:29:52.880 --> 00:29:58.279
self realization because you can't explain with only the physical54200:29:58.279 --> 00:30:03.680
senses how you can know and feel things from somebody54300:30:03.680 --> 00:30:04.400
who has died.54400:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.160
Yeah, it's a funny because and the very open the54500:30:08.200 --> 00:30:10.240
intro to our show, we talk about how I've always54600:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.599
needed something to like the proof. I needed to touch54700:30:12.640 --> 00:30:14.839
the feel it to understand this is more than this54800:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.279
three dimensional world that we live in and all this time,54900:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.119
I'm getting things here and there a little bit, but55000:30:22.279 --> 00:30:24.480
to get the information that you got that was so55100:30:25.119 --> 00:30:31.359
completely undeniable. That's the things that are still just fleeting55200:30:31.359 --> 00:30:32.799
from me. They haven't received yet.55300:30:32.880 --> 00:30:33.000
Right.55400:30:33.079 --> 00:30:34.160
I know what care is gonna say.55500:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.079
This is the key to this is that that was55600:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.240
two thousand and nine or eight end of two thousand55700:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.720
and eight. Susan passed in two thousand and six. I55800:30:42.759 --> 00:30:48.400
had been sitting in stillness daily every day for hundreds55900:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.720
of days by that point, saying Susan, show yourself to me,56000:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.119
and listening. So when Janet said there's a spirit here,56100:30:55.279 --> 00:30:59.920
I could immediately find that emptiness we were speaking of,56200:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.680
and it was filled with twinkletoes and cancer an engineer.56300:31:04.920 --> 00:31:09.480
It just boom. It's in awareness because of that training56400:31:09.640 --> 00:31:13.359
the mind to instantly be quiet. You can't keep it quiet.56500:31:13.839 --> 00:31:18.079
But all spirit needs is this little gaps to insert themselves.56600:31:18.240 --> 00:31:23.119
Oh okay, and so here comes the other side of56700:31:23.119 --> 00:31:26.960
the coin, the other will thinking. We've all been programmed56800:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.960
so completely to fear that if we open our vessel,56900:31:31.279 --> 00:31:35.000
something maybe not quite so wonderful might fill it. Do57000:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.240
you ever have that thought.57100:31:37.039 --> 00:31:39.839
Oh, I'm fortunate and that I was not programmed that way,57200:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.359
so I had no formal religion with scary stuff put57300:31:43.359 --> 00:31:46.200
in my mind, and my parents never talked about these things.57400:31:46.480 --> 00:31:49.759
And certainly I'd heard about evil spirits and you have57500:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.119
to be careful and don't play with ouigi boards and57600:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.680
all those things, but that's just people talking. I was57700:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.880
willing to put up with anything to connect with Susan myself,57800:31:59.240 --> 00:32:03.319
so I went out with no fear. But I never57900:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.559
even thought of anything scary coming. And what I experienced58000:32:06.599 --> 00:32:12.079
in that stillness was that expansiveness, connectedness and light that58100:32:12.240 --> 00:32:17.759
left me sobbing. I mean, you want a wow, that's58200:32:17.799 --> 00:32:20.519
the wow to just be crying for no reason other58300:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.640
than your soul is now saying thank you for giving58400:32:23.799 --> 00:32:25.960
enough time that you now feel who you really are.58500:32:26.799 --> 00:32:30.720
And so I came to know I am the light58600:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.640
of awareness. I am the light all of us are,58700:32:35.359 --> 00:32:39.480
and when you hold that awareness, there's no room for darkness.58800:32:40.759 --> 00:32:41.480
That's a cool quation.58900:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.720
I had, Yeah, one scary experience less than a year ago.59000:32:45.039 --> 00:32:47.359
I was fully awake, lying in bed in the dark.59100:32:47.440 --> 00:32:50.279
I know I was not dreaming, and sense these creatures59200:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.680
with talons coming at my throat. Scared the Jesus out59300:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.000
of me. And I said to my guides immediately silently.59400:32:57.839 --> 00:33:01.119
What is going on here? And he said it's a test.59500:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.279
Just love them and I said, okay, And as silly59600:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.319
as it sounded, I said, I know that nothing can59700:33:09.400 --> 00:33:12.440
hurt me. I love you. And it was like the59800:33:12.480 --> 00:33:16.839
Wizard of Oz were the witch just dissolved. It was59900:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.000
just just completely dissolved. And that's what our fears are,60000:33:20.400 --> 00:33:25.680
thought forms that will dissolve in the face of true light.60100:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.240
Well, yeah, because light is so much more powerful than dark,60200:33:28.279 --> 00:33:29.759
because you can have a dark room and you light60300:33:29.759 --> 00:33:31.440
a candle and you see the light. You have a60400:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.519
bright room and you can't really bring in a little60500:33:33.559 --> 00:33:35.359
candle's worth of darkness. It's not going to take the60600:33:35.440 --> 00:33:36.240
light away from the room.60700:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.519
I mean, these are all statements, but they're absolutely true.60800:33:40.960 --> 00:33:44.240
And it's the personal experience of that that will convince60900:33:44.319 --> 00:33:45.240
everybody listening.61000:33:46.839 --> 00:33:51.480
Yeah, that's the trick, is getting that personal experience. Because61100:33:51.519 --> 00:33:55.079
we've talked to people in a space for over four61200:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.799
years now, and I mean not that we doubt at all,61300:33:59.720 --> 00:34:03.200
but it's always like you're always I'm always searching for61400:34:03.240 --> 00:34:07.960
that thing, and I feel like I've gotten glimpses of it.61500:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.400
But well, I think also you have to have that61600:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.639
awareness again of the expectations is not necessarily you're not61700:34:14.679 --> 00:34:16.639
going to see how you're expecting to, like the coffee61800:34:16.760 --> 00:34:19.199
thing just the other day, you know, so I've been61900:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.840
you know, I had an illness that I dealt with recently,62000:34:21.920 --> 00:34:24.239
and you know, sometimes you feel alone and it's like,62100:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.519
all right, Universe, I thought you had my back, you know,62200:34:26.760 --> 00:34:29.199
when I need some help. What's going on? And so62300:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.320
little things are starting to happen, like all the time,62400:34:31.320 --> 00:34:35.000
and the most in my face one was just yesterday morning.62500:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.679
I was getting some coffee and I was out of milk,62600:34:37.719 --> 00:34:39.480
and I'm like, oh, I think I have like somewhere62700:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.920
in the pantry a thing of coffee, the coffee, the62800:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.880
instant whatever stuff. So I'm like, okay, So I'm walking62900:34:45.880 --> 00:34:47.719
back through our little hallway to the pantry and there63000:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.559
in the middle of the floor is the coffee stuff.63100:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.239
My dogs on the floor. I mean, these stories all63200:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.400
the time, but I love them, love them. This is63300:34:58.400 --> 00:35:02.280
how the universe enjoys being itself, you know, by reprising63400:35:02.320 --> 00:35:03.119
itself like that.63500:35:03.159 --> 00:35:05.199
And it's like, see, we got your back, you know,63600:35:05.760 --> 00:35:07.960
maybe not how you expected and you might not notice it,63700:35:08.199 --> 00:35:09.280
but we got you back.63800:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.440
At the very end of the day. These conversations alone,63900:35:12.519 --> 00:35:14.679
like having a conversation with you, says An for example,64000:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.119
it is it's amazing to have someone that is such64100:35:19.280 --> 00:35:23.159
a renowned spiritual leader as you on the show, because64200:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.480
every conversation that we have with folks like you helps64300:35:26.599 --> 00:35:29.159
me to bring that forward a little bit further, and64400:35:29.199 --> 00:35:31.960
those are listening or watching the same things. So first,64500:35:32.000 --> 00:35:34.760
thank you very much for reminding us of that. But64600:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.840
curious now that you have your feet are very firmly64700:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.880
on this side of the world. For lack of a64800:35:41.880 --> 00:35:45.039
better terms, when we're talking about the military versus the spiritual,64900:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.000
you don't usually bring military and spiritual, those two worlds65000:35:49.079 --> 00:35:53.599
together very often. You would, Yeah, I wish you would. Absolutely,65100:35:55.039 --> 00:36:00.840
So your life in the military now feel like a65200:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.159
dream or something like, it's such a different different Well.65300:36:04.000 --> 00:36:08.760
When I hear people reading my biography, I just say, wow,65400:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.320
that is that was a different world. Very very proud65500:36:12.559 --> 00:36:16.800
of my time in the military. Unfortunately, it's a necessary65600:36:17.480 --> 00:36:21.039
system right now because there are a lot of bunny65700:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.760
unawakened people all over the world. Yes, and yet it65800:36:25.880 --> 00:36:29.599
is so totally different right now. I love my freedom,65900:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.440
you know, freedom to think. I mean we always have66000:36:32.440 --> 00:36:36.159
a freedom of speech and all that, but just the66100:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.599
freedom to be completely myself.66200:36:38.719 --> 00:36:39.400
Yeah.66300:36:39.440 --> 00:36:44.400
Absolutely, But also the connection right amongst everybody. We talk66400:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.920
about the fact that we're all connect, that we're all wandered,66500:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.159
that we're all part of something bigger. I don't know66600:36:51.440 --> 00:36:52.079
the military.66700:36:53.519 --> 00:36:55.480
Oh, I'll correct that misconception.66800:36:55.639 --> 00:36:55.920
Okay.66900:36:56.679 --> 00:36:59.960
I have never known a more a greater feeling of67000:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.480
camaraderie then when I was in the military. The shared67100:37:03.559 --> 00:37:07.639
sense of mission and the way they support each other67200:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.880
like family, that was so sorely missing when I retired.67300:37:11.920 --> 00:37:16.199
It was stunning. You're on your own now, wow, No,67400:37:16.239 --> 00:37:21.519
this instant bonding with your colleagues. So they have a oneness.67500:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.519
And you just reminded me that the US Army's motto67600:37:24.639 --> 00:37:26.400
is an Army of one, and everybody thought that was67700:37:26.440 --> 00:37:29.960
so silly, but they understand oneness. And the Marines. They67800:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.039
train Marines immediately to stop using the pronoun I. You're67900:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.360
only allowed to refer to yourself in boot camp as68000:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.800
this recruit, so that you think in terms of the68100:37:39.920 --> 00:37:46.119
units instead of yourself. They completely help you to in68200:37:46.239 --> 00:37:48.920
interesting ways to get rid of that sense of me68300:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.519
and self. So really they're doing some spiritual work but68400:37:52.960 --> 00:37:59.559
for different pose, unbeknownst to themselves. Is so.68500:38:00.480 --> 00:38:03.880
Then you mentioned the world that we're living in right now,68600:38:03.880 --> 00:38:07.199
and there's a lot of challenges that are that every day,68700:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.280
every day there's a new challenge you wake up to.68800:38:10.000 --> 00:38:11.320
Isn't that true?68900:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.440
How can someone who is not even on a spiritual path,69000:38:15.480 --> 00:38:17.800
but we're on a spiritual path, but someone just any69100:38:17.800 --> 00:38:23.400
irregular person, how can you get beyond the fear the69200:38:23.480 --> 00:38:25.440
challenges that they're running into every day.69300:38:26.840 --> 00:38:31.440
It's truly essential to come to know all of us69400:38:31.679 --> 00:38:35.199
beyond the stories we're acting out right now, beyond the drama.69500:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.400
We really cannot find peace until you find the part69600:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.800
of you that never changes and the part of you69700:38:41.880 --> 00:38:45.239
that's the same in everyone else. You're familiar with the69800:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.559
phrase no must say that's in spiritual honor the place69900:38:48.599 --> 00:38:50.440
than you that is of love and light. When we're70000:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.920
in that place together, we're one that sounds lovely. But70100:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.880
you have to experience that and be able to access70200:38:56.960 --> 00:39:01.239
that so that you can observe the drama and say yes.70300:39:01.440 --> 00:39:05.119
And this is a story on top of the piece70400:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.280
that's already here. And my Sip of the Divine, a70500:39:09.360 --> 00:39:14.119
three minute practice SIP stands for sit in peace, will70600:39:14.159 --> 00:39:17.320
help you with that because you really only need three70700:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.559
minutes a day to sit and notice the mind. And70800:39:21.599 --> 00:39:25.639
those gaps start getting a little longer. You'll never completely70900:39:25.679 --> 00:39:29.800
stop them. But you find that piece sitting in peace71000:39:29.840 --> 00:39:31.840
three minutes a day, and there are no excuses from71100:39:31.880 --> 00:39:35.599
that one will and Karen, you can't say I don't71200:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.760
have the time to meditate because you can easily spend71300:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.400
five minutes making and sipping a cup of coffee. So71400:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.199
sip the Divine. And then you say, well, I can't71500:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.320
quiet my mind. That's not the point of the Sip71600:39:45.360 --> 00:39:47.840
of the Divine. Watch my video on YouTube Zip of71700:39:47.920 --> 00:39:49.719
the Divine. I'll show you how to do it and71800:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.840
walk you through it, and it's very simple. If you71900:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.599
can do that for three weeks, it'll change your life.72000:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.920
See that that is so perfect, especially now in our72100:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.679
like no attention span culture and you want to be72200:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.800
stimulated by something, and it's hard, it's hard to sit down,72300:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.000
especially if you're new to it, and to think of72400:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.599
like doing nothing and have nothing entertaining you. It's just72500:40:10.760 --> 00:40:13.559
three minutes, I mean, and I think even that might72600:40:13.559 --> 00:40:15.440
be difficult to some people. Three minutes as well, but72700:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.559
just you got to start somewhere, and I think that's right,72800:40:17.880 --> 00:40:19.880
and it might turn into five minutes and seven minutes.72900:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.519
We're not going to become our long meditators, but sometimes73000:40:22.559 --> 00:40:24.639
you start to feel that piece. And the fun part73100:40:24.639 --> 00:40:27.639
about the zip of the divine is once you watch73200:40:27.679 --> 00:40:29.440
your thoughts for a few minutes and you're in a73300:40:29.519 --> 00:40:33.800
nice calm state, you're already an alpha brainway, which is73400:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.440
optimal for connecting across the veil. You can then ask73500:40:37.519 --> 00:40:41.800
a question, just hoping, what if somebody higher than me73600:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.559
is actually going to hear this question? What is it73700:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.280
I most need to know right now? And because you're73800:40:47.320 --> 00:40:50.480
open enough to believe that maybe I'll get an answer,73900:40:50.519 --> 00:40:52.559
you ask that question, and now you go back to74000:40:52.639 --> 00:40:56.880
just sitting in peace, and you may start getting answers74100:40:56.920 --> 00:41:00.239
like a genie in the bottle, but you'll first just74200:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.480
say I'm making this up, and then you'll get information74300:41:02.599 --> 00:41:06.000
you didn't expect. Then you'll have things happen that validate74400:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.559
what you got, and look at now you're really on74500:41:08.599 --> 00:41:09.039
the path.74600:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.400
And I'm glad you mentioned that the validation because how74700:41:11.440 --> 00:41:14.519
many times have we we've talked about your what comes74800:41:14.519 --> 00:41:17.119
through you? You're not sure? The big question mark is74900:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.480
how can you know that you're not making it up?75000:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.400
It's validation, right, you have to get external validation is75100:41:23.400 --> 00:41:24.719
the only way, right.75200:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.519
That And I have a new course called the Forgotten75300:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.000
Center that talks about the horror the head, the heart,75400:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.519
and the horror of the three Eastern Philosophy centers of soul.75500:41:34.559 --> 00:41:35.199
Awareness.75600:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.079
When you move your awareness and take a question or75700:41:38.119 --> 00:41:41.599
something that you've heard into the belly and sit there,75800:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.920
it has a solidness where you know you can trust this,75900:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.440
you know you're not making it up. Whereas if you76000:41:48.599 --> 00:41:52.199
only remain with your awareness in the head, now you're thinking, thinking, thinking,76100:41:52.360 --> 00:41:53.480
yourself out of it.76200:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.159
There we go. There that's the tool we were missing.76300:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.159
Yeah that Yeah, And I think like for the experiences76400:42:01.239 --> 00:42:04.360
that I've had, I haven't any of the messages that76500:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.920
I've gotten aren't anything that you could really verify that's true.76600:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.079
So I think this might be a better way for76700:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.679
me to understand it. I'm not making it up or76800:42:14.719 --> 00:42:18.320
some time, But why is it popping in awareness? Is76900:42:18.360 --> 00:42:20.000
it helpful? Is it healing?77000:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.280
And I assume the course it can be found on77100:42:24.320 --> 00:42:26.960
your website, it can be Okay, well, we're going to77200:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.159
add a direct link to your website and your YouTube77300:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.679
on our show notes, so if you want to connect,77400:42:32.840 --> 00:42:34.400
you can do that. I'm not saying go by it.77500:42:34.440 --> 00:42:36.320
I just want to make sure that I've got it correctly.77600:42:36.599 --> 00:42:40.239
So and I just was thinking how you've transitions from77700:42:40.280 --> 00:42:43.000
someone who is protecting our physical space to now you're77800:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.039
helping protect our spiritual space. So thank you for everything77900:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.280
that you're doing with that. And both times, on both sides.78000:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.320
You made my day. You don't realize it. I just78100:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.760
I was just just got a haircut an hour ago,78200:42:55.840 --> 00:42:57.880
and the lady in the chair next to me come78300:42:57.880 --> 00:42:59.960
in and on my hair and I turned to look78400:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.559
at her. She only saw me from the side. I78500:43:02.599 --> 00:43:04.519
was seeing her from the side, and I had that78600:43:04.719 --> 00:43:09.360
knowing she knows me and this does not happen that often.78700:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.400
And I said, well, I like your hair too, and78800:43:11.400 --> 00:43:14.320
she turned her head and she goes, Susan, I knew78900:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.440
me from the work. You know. That was so cool.79000:43:16.760 --> 00:43:18.960
But then you know, the stylists are there and I79100:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.599
often think, well, what am I going to say when79200:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.599
They asked, well, why does she know you, and I've79300:43:22.679 --> 00:43:27.280
always replied spiritual teacher. But you said you're a spiritual leader,79400:43:27.920 --> 00:43:32.440
and that lit me up because that's it. I mean,79500:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.840
I used to train Navy officers in leadership and management,79600:43:37.119 --> 00:43:41.039
and I actually won Humanities Team's Spiritual Leadership Award. So79700:43:41.079 --> 00:43:44.000
I don't know why I haven't been saying that because79800:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.440
and it's not an ego thing. It's that to me,79900:43:47.800 --> 00:43:52.880
leadership is inspiring others yes, and motivating them to action.80000:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.159
I don't just want to teach you that you can80100:43:55.199 --> 00:43:57.440
do this too. I want to inspire you to sit80200:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.559
in peace and experience it for yourself. I want to80300:44:00.639 --> 00:44:02.800
motivate you to connect with your own love one across80400:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.960
the veils. So you have just made my day, Karen.80500:44:08.079 --> 00:44:11.599
I think this is my last show. I can finally80600:44:11.639 --> 00:44:15.199
retire because I now have a legacy. From now on.80700:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.840
Suzanne Gieseman's going to tell people she's a spiritual leader.80800:44:17.920 --> 00:44:23.480
That came from me. Yes, next time I see her80900:44:23.519 --> 00:44:30.159
on stage and you go, ah, no, it's one hundred percent.81000:44:30.199 --> 00:44:34.280
That's the word that came through very very clearly for me.81100:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.639
Maybe because I knew about your background in the military81200:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.599
and your command and things like that. And I've known81300:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.159
you as someone who has helped me in the spiritual81400:44:44.199 --> 00:44:47.440
sense as well, So it just makes perfect sense.81500:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.400
And I look at my path and I see that,81600:44:52.360 --> 00:44:55.400
you know, the media needs a hook, books need a hook,81700:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.639
and it's a really amazing hook. I wasn't just a81800:44:58.719 --> 00:45:00.599
Navy commander to be the to the head of the81900:45:00.679 --> 00:45:05.679
US military. I recognize that as such a gift because82000:45:05.800 --> 00:45:10.360
I really truly hope that people will dive in further82100:45:10.519 --> 00:45:12.880
on their own path when they hear my story, and82200:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.679
they do. So many women come up to me at82300:45:15.679 --> 00:45:18.800
my events and they say, oh, thank you because my82400:45:18.960 --> 00:45:22.000
husband now is more willing to be open to this82500:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.400
yere or you know, because they see you with your82600:45:25.480 --> 00:45:27.880
uniform and they hear your background and they don't immediately82700:45:27.920 --> 00:45:32.159
dismiss it. So I'm grateful for that leadership for that,82800:45:32.719 --> 00:45:35.159
because this will bring so much joy and love and82900:45:35.199 --> 00:45:39.440
peace and healing and comfort to anyone's life. If you're83000:45:39.480 --> 00:45:43.000
willing to set aside the story that says, oh, I83100:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.280
don't want to look silly, or oh that's bs. It's83200:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.159
all yes, it's all our belief systems. So dig deeper83300:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.400
and you will be just so pleased with what.83400:45:52.719 --> 00:45:57.119
I cannot agree with you more. It's so important because83500:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.360
more and more people are waking up. But then, yeah,83600:46:00.440 --> 00:46:03.880
for the longest time this has been like the woo, right,83700:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.599
the I don't know, these people are kind of kookie83800:46:07.719 --> 00:46:10.440
and out there and I all have green hair and83900:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.000
you know, wear tied dice shirts and things like that. Right,84000:46:14.199 --> 00:46:18.400
But this is this is goes so far beyond one stereotype.84100:46:18.440 --> 00:46:20.840
And to have someone like you from a different place84200:46:21.119 --> 00:46:25.119
in society as a role model, I'm sure opens up84300:46:25.159 --> 00:46:28.599
the doors to so many different people and I'm I84400:46:28.639 --> 00:46:31.400
can't wait to see what else it takes us. Because84500:46:32.800 --> 00:46:34.639
on top of I mean, I hate to be the84600:46:34.679 --> 00:46:38.239
dead horse, but the leadership thing, you're not just showing84700:46:38.360 --> 00:46:40.760
the way from the fact that you were in the military,84800:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.199
but you're also you're leading the way into the spiritual84900:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.719
world aside from the military thing. It's just I think85000:46:46.719 --> 00:46:47.960
that's yeah.85100:46:47.920 --> 00:46:48.599
Oh yeah, it's.85200:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.039
With the evidence, and that's that's what will change people85300:46:53.079 --> 00:46:56.079
in the personal experience and the and the no other85400:46:56.239 --> 00:46:59.840
explanation moments, n oees. That's what I call it, people85500:47:00.079 --> 00:47:01.760
ven dease and will change your life. Where we can85600:47:01.800 --> 00:47:03.440
all have noees without dying?85700:47:04.880 --> 00:47:05.039
Yes?85800:47:05.079 --> 00:47:05.360
Please?85900:47:05.440 --> 00:47:09.480
For that sounds less painful.86000:47:09.360 --> 00:47:14.000
Yeah, not less complicated, for sure. So is there something86100:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.840
that keeps coming out? A message that keeps coming out86200:47:16.840 --> 00:47:21.480
more and more these days? In we're about to talk86300:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.199
to some folks about the predictions of twenty twenty six? Right,86400:47:25.239 --> 00:47:27.599
you hear about it all? Twenty twenty six. It's a86500:47:27.800 --> 00:47:29.079
rough year, and it's going to happen.86600:47:30.480 --> 00:47:30.960
The opposite.86700:47:31.320 --> 00:47:33.159
Oh did you? Oh, well that's good.86800:47:33.400 --> 00:47:35.639
See, No, that's what I'm getting that. It's just this86900:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.440
is a wonderful fresh start of the energy is amazing.87000:47:38.639 --> 00:47:40.800
I'm not into astrology, but I hear that there's some87100:47:40.840 --> 00:47:43.920
alignments that they haven't seen in thousands of years, and87200:47:43.960 --> 00:47:45.079
it's an exciting time.87300:47:45.119 --> 00:47:46.599
But it just so happens that the last time the87400:47:46.599 --> 00:47:48.639
alignments were in place, it happened during the Civil War,87500:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.000
you know. So that's why that's why people are seeing87600:47:52.000 --> 00:47:52.440
things in me.87700:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.880
You're already going through that in a sense, I mean.87800:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.559
One hundred percent, yes, absolutely, So.87900:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.199
Now we can maybe come together in new ways by88000:48:01.280 --> 00:48:02.519
not focusing on the fear.88100:48:03.159 --> 00:48:06.559
That's it. That's it. So that's why I ask you88200:48:06.559 --> 00:48:10.000
that question earlier. Because there's so much rampant fear everywhere88300:48:10.039 --> 00:48:13.199
around the here. But so you're getting the opposite message.88400:48:13.199 --> 00:48:14.320
Your messages that you're getting used.88500:48:14.440 --> 00:48:18.880
So these the anytime you have pain, physical, emotional, spiritual,88600:48:18.960 --> 00:48:23.199
it's an opportunity, it's a symptom, it's something's out of alignment.88700:48:23.440 --> 00:48:25.880
So we go get it fixed. That we can fix88800:48:25.880 --> 00:48:29.119
ourselves from the inside, find that piece and radiate that.88900:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.880
Why did you saw but the monks because they're radiating89000:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.719
an empty well. So each one of us, what are89100:48:36.760 --> 00:48:40.119
you going to radiate? I trust that I can be89200:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.280
the presence of peace and make a difference in our world.89300:48:42.320 --> 00:48:46.599
I trust the universe that it is benevolent or oh89400:48:46.639 --> 00:48:48.760
my god, it's going to hell. I can't stand out89500:48:48.760 --> 00:48:51.239
of the person because they think differently than me. Blah89600:48:51.320 --> 00:48:53.719
blah blah. It's a choice, moment by moment.89700:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.800
So let's say you've run into someone super stubborn, hard headed,89800:48:59.239 --> 00:49:02.920
someone who believes that they know that this stuff is89900:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.360
real or doesn't or knows it's not real. Uh, how90000:49:07.400 --> 00:49:12.800
do you approach that person who says, uh, sorry.90100:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.119
The same way I did when the guys were coming90200:49:15.119 --> 00:49:18.840
at me with the talent, I just love them, and90300:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.760
I absolutely don't try to change anybody's mind. If they90400:49:21.880 --> 00:49:23.679
asked me to give them an example, I'll give them90500:49:23.719 --> 00:49:26.840
one of my wows like your creamorras.90600:49:26.400 --> 00:49:28.719
Story, whatever you know.90700:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.559
And then if they say, well, that's BS, and I say, well,90800:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.000
I hope you have your own experience. Sometimes it's changed90900:49:34.039 --> 00:49:36.760
my life, and then maybe we'll just shift the conversation.91000:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.079
But I don't take go on skeptics because that's not91100:49:39.159 --> 00:49:41.159
my place. They're on their own path, right.91200:49:41.960 --> 00:49:44.199
And I think that's part of the love. So much91300:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.559
of us think that love is always going to be91400:49:46.639 --> 00:49:49.880
reciprocal and it's not necessarily so you have to be91500:49:49.920 --> 00:49:51.920
able to be willing to put that love out there91600:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.400
and expect nothing in return, and that's when actually you'll91700:49:54.400 --> 00:49:56.840
start to see things come back in the timefully.91800:49:56.920 --> 00:49:59.920
Me on the flip side of that is when you91900:50:00.159 --> 00:50:04.519
put out love, they don't have anything to hit back against,92000:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.000
and there it takes all the fight out of them, right.92100:50:10.119 --> 00:50:13.559
They want resistance and if you're just like, okay, where92200:50:13.599 --> 00:50:18.000
does that energy go and they're they're left defenseless, it's wonderful.92300:50:18.079 --> 00:50:18.719
Yeah, try it.92400:50:19.159 --> 00:50:25.719
So any tips for someone who is trying to do that,92500:50:25.760 --> 00:50:28.800
But yet gets caught up in his or their.92600:50:30.119 --> 00:50:33.960
Yeah, spend your time in stillness visualizing those encounters, just92700:50:34.000 --> 00:50:38.440
like a sports star would do. Here comes here comes92800:50:38.480 --> 00:50:40.880
somebody in my face and they're going to trigger me92900:50:40.960 --> 00:50:43.840
like I always do. And now ask Spirit, Oh this93000:50:44.079 --> 00:50:45.760
I got my lip trich. I love that every time93100:50:45.800 --> 00:50:50.920
I spirit Just ask Spirit, help me experience now the93200:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.760
reaction that will best serve me in those kinds of situations.93300:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.440
And you can actually have a journey through that and93400:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.639
that changes your feel and become a part of you.93500:51:00.960 --> 00:51:03.360
And the more you focus on that, it will just93600:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.920
become your reality and you won't be triggered anymore.93700:51:07.280 --> 00:51:09.719
And I know this is a personal question, like I93800:51:09.719 --> 00:51:12.400
mean in terms of like it's different for every person.93900:51:13.599 --> 00:51:16.320
How long did it take you to get to the94000:51:16.320 --> 00:51:18.400
point where you are just so serene about all this94100:51:18.559 --> 00:51:24.239
that you totally know this is reality and aren't triggered94200:51:24.440 --> 00:51:25.800
in the way that we date.94300:51:28.360 --> 00:51:32.400
It's an ongoing process. We are all both human. And94400:51:33.079 --> 00:51:35.159
this is the thing that's really helped me is you know,94500:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.079
I can speak in spiritual terms, but also neuroscience is94600:51:38.119 --> 00:51:42.639
fascinating to me, and I have several neuroscience colleagues and94700:51:42.679 --> 00:51:46.760
friends and have studied the brain, and we are hardwired94800:51:47.440 --> 00:51:51.960
to put up a defense to protect ourselves and our beliefs.94900:51:52.239 --> 00:51:57.000
So once you start saying that's the program running, you95000:51:57.119 --> 00:52:01.719
may still react, but you catch yourself and shift, and95100:52:01.800 --> 00:52:06.119
so that's a beautiful thing. But this process of growing95200:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.719
and learning and shining never ends. But I'm certainly way95300:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.920
far beyond what I was. Even several years ago, I95400:52:11.960 --> 00:52:17.000
would just run from uncomfortable conversations. Now I still get95500:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.239
a little uncomfortable, but I can just sit back and say, oh,95600:52:20.280 --> 00:52:23.679
I don't want to run anymore. Be okay with this?95700:52:24.079 --> 00:52:26.119
Let me send love to this situation. Is there any95800:52:26.199 --> 00:52:28.440
action I could take to bring more peace right now?95900:52:28.440 --> 00:52:32.079
So it's not just passive and it's not spiritual bypassing96000:52:32.079 --> 00:52:34.719
like I'm not going to feel pain. Ooh, I dropped96100:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.800
an F bomb last night, but it was over something96200:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.320
that almost fell over and broke in the house. That96300:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.760
would have been a tragedy. And I was with three96400:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.400
friends who know me as a spiritual leader, and I said,96500:52:45.880 --> 00:52:51.679
there's a spiritual term for you. Because our bodies programmed96600:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.239
to I tried hit in the therapy to stop those96700:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.599
F bombs from coming out, just part of the wiring.96800:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.760
So yeah, it's going process.96900:53:03.440 --> 00:53:04.920
It's spiritual F bombs.97000:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.199
Heard me talk about my propensity for that at Sailor97100:53:10.239 --> 00:53:13.920
words we call them, and she crocheted a little black97200:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.360
grenade with a heart coming out of the top of97300:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.239
it and a little sign that says drop love bombs,97400:53:19.280 --> 00:53:23.280
not f bombs that I have it.97500:53:24.360 --> 00:53:28.480
That's when you when we move forward in this space.97600:53:29.920 --> 00:53:34.360
Has there ever been a time where you were worried97700:53:34.719 --> 00:53:39.360
that humanity wasn't going to get there? We need to97800:53:39.400 --> 00:53:41.400
take a quick pause, but we'll be right back right97900:53:41.400 --> 00:53:47.039
after these messages and now back to the show. Has98000:53:47.079 --> 00:53:50.679
there ever been a time where you were worried that98100:53:51.039 --> 00:53:52.480
humanity wasn't going to get there?98200:53:55.800 --> 00:54:00.360
I know that when we get there, it's game over.98300:54:00.599 --> 00:54:04.159
So I mean, why be here if we're not here98400:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.960
to interact, relate and learn to love. Once we all98500:54:08.039 --> 00:54:10.760
learn to love, we will be experiencing heaven on earth,98600:54:10.960 --> 00:54:14.119
which is the goal. So I've known that all along98700:54:15.480 --> 00:54:17.840
that have gone through peers of being frustrated and until98800:54:17.840 --> 00:54:23.239
I say, wait, this is all unfolding right now, so98900:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.400
just enjoy the now and do what we can now.99000:54:27.000 --> 00:54:32.760
Have you ever gotten any specific message that really impacted99100:54:32.800 --> 00:54:35.920
you in a certain way, not about like doing a99200:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.719
reading for someone else, but just did something ever come through.99300:54:38.800 --> 00:54:40.480
I don't know why this just popped into my head.99400:54:40.719 --> 00:54:44.239
Maybe it came through just some message I just impacted99500:54:44.239 --> 00:54:45.719
you that you felt like you really needed to make99600:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.079
sure it gets out there. It goes back.99700:54:49.079 --> 00:54:50.960
I've already shared it, but it was in a different way,99800:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.280
and it was so early in this journey, and it99900:54:53.360 --> 00:54:56.000
was when my beloved husband will celebrate thirty years this100000:54:56.079 --> 00:55:01.360
year of marriage. We've we're not seeing eye to eye100100:55:01.360 --> 00:55:04.280
about something and I could tell we were never going100200:55:04.320 --> 00:55:08.199
to on that topic, and we were just like this,100300:55:08.320 --> 00:55:10.960
and I finally had to just walk away. We didn't100400:55:10.960 --> 00:55:13.400
come to any consensus. And I had learned by that100500:55:13.440 --> 00:55:17.679
point to say to spirit what I do, and I heard,100600:55:17.800 --> 00:55:23.079
clear as day, just love him. And it goes back100700:55:23.119 --> 00:55:25.480
to everything that was just saying about what we thought100800:55:25.519 --> 00:55:30.159
were evil spirits and the skeptics. It's the same answer.100900:55:30.440 --> 00:55:32.159
So I turned around and I went back and I101000:55:32.199 --> 00:55:34.599
looked at him with a totally open heart instead of101100:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.840
the energy of resistance that I was feeling earlier. And101200:55:37.880 --> 00:55:41.239
I said, honey, we may never see eye to eye101300:55:41.280 --> 00:55:47.000
on this, but I love you so much, and like101400:55:47.239 --> 00:55:52.639
the thought forums that were attacking me, it just dissolved101500:55:52.679 --> 00:55:57.199
the whole issue, gone in the face of love. If101600:55:57.199 --> 00:55:59.800
we could just remember that. And so we have in101700:55:59.840 --> 00:56:03.000
our in the United States here Democrats and Republicans who101800:56:03.079 --> 00:56:06.840
are just at each other's throats and you don't feel101900:56:06.840 --> 00:56:09.760
like loving them. So we have to find the place102000:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.920
in you that is the same in me and realize102100:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.920
we came here to play different roles, to push each102200:56:15.960 --> 00:56:20.760
other's buttons, to find our way back to loving each102300:56:20.800 --> 00:56:22.239
other anyway.102400:56:23.599 --> 00:56:27.000
That's what I like, loving each other anyway. That's perfect.102500:56:27.239 --> 00:56:27.760
That's perfect.102600:56:29.159 --> 00:56:34.039
We were just invited to a party and friends said, hey,102700:56:35.239 --> 00:56:40.000
we're going to have people with different strong opinions at102800:56:40.000 --> 00:56:44.000
the dinner table. We need to keep it light, okay.102900:56:44.320 --> 00:56:46.559
And then the reason we're all going to be around103000:56:46.599 --> 00:56:48.400
the table is because every one of us will have103100:56:48.519 --> 00:56:54.039
one thing in common. A child across the veil. Oh wow, see,103200:56:54.440 --> 00:56:56.639
you see there are certain things that are more important103300:56:56.679 --> 00:57:00.199
than you're believed about this and this and this, and103400:57:01.400 --> 00:57:06.559
those kinds of relationships are the deepest ever. Yeah, because103500:57:06.599 --> 00:57:10.440
we get it, We understand what really matters and it's103600:57:10.599 --> 00:57:11.519
loving each other.103700:57:13.599 --> 00:57:18.199
I feel a fiend to this episode.103800:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.000
Well, so you mean the headline is not going to103900:57:21.079 --> 00:57:23.519
have me going like this same chaos is cord it is?104000:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.000
I'm sorry. We are not those guys.104100:57:27.480 --> 00:57:28.920
No, but I love that because you just don't know104200:57:28.920 --> 00:57:32.480
anybody's story. Yes, you know, it's like that the thing104300:57:32.519 --> 00:57:34.480
from the book of the Dalai Lama of the Art104400:57:34.480 --> 00:57:36.599
of Happiness. You don't know what someone's going through, so104500:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.400
don't judge them when they cut you off in traffic. No,104600:57:39.159 --> 00:57:40.719
I love them anyway. I want to get that on104700:57:40.760 --> 00:57:43.400
a T shirt. Love them anyway. That was perfect. Thank104800:57:43.440 --> 00:57:43.760
you for that.104900:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.079
Did I mention she's a spiritual leader?105000:57:46.159 --> 00:57:46.360
I know?105100:57:46.679 --> 00:57:46.920
Writer?105200:57:50.119 --> 00:57:53.280
Oh gosh, I wish we had another fifteen hours to105300:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.239
talk to you. There's so much to touch based on,105400:57:55.280 --> 00:58:00.400
but really quickly, as a spiritual leader, what do you think?105500:58:02.599 --> 00:58:05.320
I mean? We talked about the fact that we're here105600:58:05.320 --> 00:58:07.440
to experience everything, the goods and the bads, and lows105700:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.079
and highs and all that kinds of stuff, right, that's105800:58:09.119 --> 00:58:12.599
all part of it is to push each other's buttons105900:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.480
in order to experience different levels of awareness and consciousness,106000:58:16.239 --> 00:58:21.559
to expand as a people, as a oneness. So then106100:58:21.639 --> 00:58:26.079
what actually happens to us when we cross the veil?106200:58:26.480 --> 00:58:28.960
In your estimation, I have so many videos about this,106300:58:29.079 --> 00:58:31.400
so for running short on time to do that search.106400:58:31.480 --> 00:58:34.719
In fact, oh, let me tell you about an awesome106500:58:35.400 --> 00:58:38.519
tool we have now. Yeah, you can go to Suzanne106600:58:38.519 --> 00:58:42.519
geeseva dot com slash your questions answered and asked that106700:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.480
question and everybody's going to get a different answer. But106800:58:45.519 --> 00:58:45.960
it's not.106900:58:46.119 --> 00:58:46.440
It is.107000:58:46.599 --> 00:58:50.599
It's my virtual librarian, but she's not going outside to107100:58:50.599 --> 00:58:55.519
search the internet. It's fifteen to eighteen years of my107200:58:55.639 --> 00:58:58.800
guide's channeled information, all of them, the transcripts of every107300:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.199
one of my books and my videos and my classes.107400:59:01.519 --> 00:59:04.199
She dips into that and gives you a very personal,107500:59:04.199 --> 00:59:05.199
heartfelt answer.107600:59:05.320 --> 00:59:06.239
I love.107700:59:07.719 --> 00:59:10.719
Grace, my virtual eye brand. And then there's a video107800:59:10.800 --> 00:59:13.719
search capability on my site. You can enter in what107900:59:13.800 --> 00:59:15.599
happens in the Afterlife and it'll take you to every108000:59:15.679 --> 00:59:18.079
video where I've ever brought that up. But to answer108100:59:18.119 --> 00:59:24.239
your question, it is different for every person, but immediately108200:59:24.360 --> 00:59:27.239
each soul is aware. I've been a soul along. Oh108300:59:27.280 --> 00:59:30.679
my gosh, how could I have forgotten? I feel this love.108400:59:31.079 --> 00:59:33.440
I can't wait to let my family know I'm still here.108500:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.800
You're meeting up with family who passed before you immediately.108600:59:37.360 --> 00:59:39.519
It truly is joyous.108700:59:40.000 --> 00:59:46.519
Yeah, yeah, I always liken it to the movie Geez108800:59:46.599 --> 00:59:50.360
Now I'm drawn Blake, What Dreams May Come? Thank you? Yes,108900:59:51.400 --> 00:59:53.440
one of my favorite movies when in the topic, because109000:59:53.440 --> 00:59:57.840
it shows a vast difference. My thought process is we109100:59:57.920 --> 01:00:02.119
create our own afterlife. Whatever we feel is truth for109201:00:02.280 --> 01:00:04.559
us is what we will create once to be crossed. Now,109301:00:04.559 --> 01:00:05.800
I don't know if that's true or not, but at109401:00:05.840 --> 01:00:06.119
least is.109501:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.119
My thought, it's very close to the truth as far109601:00:08.159 --> 01:00:10.239
as I've gotten from those who talk to me. Now,109701:00:10.239 --> 01:00:13.360
we can't validate that. That's not evidence, but when you109801:00:13.400 --> 01:00:16.960
surround what they tell me with the evidence, then it109901:00:17.519 --> 01:00:21.960
upholds the things they're telling us. My mother believed in nothing,110001:00:22.239 --> 01:00:24.679
so when she crossed, I didn't hear from her right away.110101:00:24.760 --> 01:00:27.480
I actually got to go across the veil and saw110201:00:27.519 --> 01:00:31.320
her in a kind of continued unconscious state, just like110301:00:31.599 --> 01:00:35.280
before she passed, and she slowly came out of it,110401:00:35.360 --> 01:00:37.039
and I was like, well, I'm just not ready to110501:00:37.039 --> 01:00:37.719
wake up yet.110601:00:40.159 --> 01:00:44.880
Well you have is from someone who has always been110701:00:44.920 --> 01:00:49.360
looking for all these cool tools and toys. You have110801:00:49.559 --> 01:00:53.280
so many cool tools and toys on your site and110901:00:53.320 --> 01:00:58.760
on your all your programs. I recommend anyone who is111001:00:58.960 --> 01:01:02.719
just getting to know Suzan Geeseman to go to Suzan111101:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.719
Geeseman dot com to get to know her and just111201:01:05.880 --> 01:01:10.840
do a YouTube search. You're gonna find scads of videos111301:01:11.000 --> 01:01:18.400
that she's done. And you have helped me grow tremendously111401:01:18.400 --> 01:01:20.119
over the last I don't know how many years. So111501:01:20.199 --> 01:01:23.679
thank you for that. Personally, selfishly thank you, and I111601:01:23.760 --> 01:01:30.079
thank you for that, and and on the physical side111701:01:30.119 --> 01:01:32.039
of the things, I do thank you for your service111801:01:32.079 --> 01:01:36.599
because I totally know how difficult that must have been111901:01:37.360 --> 01:01:41.119
and for you transitioning over to this spiritual world. Now,112001:01:41.679 --> 01:01:47.960
we really appreciate you absolutely. It's an absolute pleasure getting112101:01:47.960 --> 01:01:49.639
to know you. Thank you so much for coming on112201:01:49.639 --> 01:01:51.920
the show. Hopefully this won't be the last time we connect,112301:01:51.960 --> 01:01:55.559
because I just love you so much, and we have a.112401:01:55.480 --> 01:01:58.360
Lot of opportunities in person. They're right there at the112501:01:58.400 --> 01:02:01.159
top of my homepage, so maybe we will see each112601:02:01.159 --> 01:02:01.679
other in FIRS.112701:02:01.920 --> 01:02:04.159
Sounds good planet. I'm going to go to your site112801:02:04.239 --> 01:02:07.239
right now. A matter of fact, thank you so much.112901:02:07.320 --> 01:02:07.800
Thank you.113001:02:09.199 --> 01:02:11.559
Well, that does it for this episode of the Skeptic Metemusicians.113101:02:11.800 --> 01:02:14.559
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