Wishing Is Quantum Physics (And You've Done It Your Whole Life)

0:00 Karen, Yes, when was the last time that you blew out birthday candles. In one breath? Or like twenty How. About tossing a coin into a fountain? You know it's been a while. It's been a while, but I like doing that. Shooting this of seeing a shooting star making a wish. And I have not seen a shooting star in a very long time. But I make lots of wishes, but you've done all of the time. I have done all of them. Okay, well it turned me emphatically. Well, it turns out that you have been running a multidisciplinary scientific experiment every single time that you had no idea about it. I keep telling you I'm smart you not by you, I mean you in a general sense.

0:43 We all have been doing that. Our guest today says that every time that we make a wish, we're simultaneously engaging quantum physics, neuroscience, anthropology, and behavioral science all at once. I knew you'd be excited about that, and if we do it consciously, we might just be able to make those wishes come true, stronger, faster, better. Karen, Apparently it seems we have the technology. She also wrote an entire chapter Karen in her book specifically for skeptics, and I feel so seen another question on the table today. Could thousands of people wishing for the same thing at the same time actually change the world? I don't know if I believe that, but I also didn't know I was practicing quantum physics at birthday party, so clearly my expertise has its limits. We're diving into the science of wishes on this episode of The Skeptic Metaphysicians. My name is Will and I'm Garen, and unlike moulderin Scully.

1:40 Both want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a coven. Of witches and wait, you joined a coven? Yep? All knee interests of fighting something, anything that will prove that there's something beyond this physical. Three dimensional world. Well, this is the Skeptic Metapositions Caring. Yes, we're doing some live shows and we'd love you to be involved with it. Every second Tuesday of the month, we'll be going live to New Reality TV, on our YouTube channel, on our Facebook page. So if you aren't connected to us through any of those platforms, we strongly urge you to do so because we want you to come and participate in the show. You can ask those questions. It'll be just carry and I talking. Maybe once in a while we'll bring in a special guest to talk to you.

2:36 Guys. You can ask them questions as well. It'll be a lot of fun, very interactive and engaging. And some many of you have asked questions on our website. That's way you could ask us kind of in person and we can answer right away. Absolutely, So don't forget. It's every second Tuesday of the month on our YouTube and Facebook pages as well as on New Reality TV. We are excited to get to know you more and more, and we're excited to have an opportunity to interact with you. So make sure you're there. Hey, there, I'm Will and I'm hearing you are listening to the skeptic metaphysicians. And if you wished that we had come back sooner, according to our guest today, that was actually neuroscience that you were doing.

3:17 And here we are. She he's a storyteller, an inventor, a songwriter, a novelist, a children's book author, a podcast Owsen somehow also finds it time to spend years researching over seventy scientists across a dozen disciplines just to figure out what actually happens when you make a wish, which honestly is exactly the kind of energy we were hoping to bring into the MOO today. Now, she's not here to tell you to cop your hands and believe harder. She's here to show you that the thing that you have been doing at birthday parties and wishing wells your entire life has quantum physics at the core of it. And once you know that, apparently you can't unknow it. So this is your last chance to back out if you don't want to know, because it's my pleasure to welcome BROWNO lend them to the show. How are you doing today?

4:02 I'm so excited to be here and I'm just I'm ready to have some fun. Well, we're excited to have you, especially because we've been wishing for a guest like you for a long time. So wishes do come true. Sorry, quantum physics comes true. Yes, So let's just dive into today. What are you talking about? Wish is this quantum physical? What are you talking about here? Who am I? And how did I get here? Which is like we could go on that tangent if you want. Okay, Well, one thing. I want to start is that I am a storyteller, not a scientist. Okay, So I'm not. Going to be able to do. I mean, let's I open up my book and start searching, like all the exact science sources. But I do quite over seventy scientists in my book, over four hundred research attributions. I mean, if you want to go deep on the science, then it's there. But I'm a storyteller. And so what happened was I was writing, and when you talk about metaphysics, I'm like, my kind of other moniker is explorer of metaphysical mystery. So that's kind of one of the other kind of catchphrases for what I do. And I've written fiction and nonfiction. I've written like my year and a half ago, I published a trilogy of novels that's this epic reincarnation mystery and love story about a famous couple from history reincarnated today to a fellow prophecy that'll change the world, like you know, that kind of thing. So you know, we can go off into all kinds of metaphysical stuff. And that's kind of what a lot of people know me for. And then I published a book about six months ago that's semi autobiographical and it's called A Love Story to the Universe. And what happened when

5:36 I was writing that book? And you're going, where is she going off on this tangent? What does that have to do with wishes? But I'll get there. I'm sure eventually they'll come around with you. I'm just I'm very pat. Sure, you know, I mean, my mind can go a lot of places, but it'll come around. Is. But that one was a semi on a biographical and I was writing the book. Since y'all learned to metaphysics, you'll probably enjoyed this whole thing. Is I was writing and I thought, well, I'm going to write it from the point of view of what I call the upstairs, like these guides whatever you want to call them, and I call them guides and traffic angels. And I'll explain if you've never heard that saying, I've never heard anybody else use it. But it's something I kind of, you know, came up with. Basically, what a traffic angel does is like, if you're here and somebody else is here, they want you to go here.

6:17 They hit all the logistics, so yeah, well yeah, and they're like yeah. And I also think of guides like border collies, like they're going to keep whacking in the side. Back on dragon. You want to go, They're going to keep hitting you until you do. Right. So I'm writing this and I think, Okay, I'm going to write this story and then I think I'm going to write it from the point of. View the upstairs. So if you're that team up there looking down at I call her Noll, like, you know, really veiled, you know, version of me. How do you get an American woman living in Colorado to meet a British man in Tunisia? Like they had to do some logistics of this. And so it's a whimsical, kind of magical realism kind of story.

6:59 And it's written in four parts because life kind of works that way. And as I was writing the fourth part, I was going to kind of a personal experience with wishing and wishes I thought, I'm going to write about the realm upstairs where wishes what happens with wishes. So again it's magical realism kind of you know, fantasy world. And as a writer, when you're creating a world, you have to define the world, right, you have to decide, okay, well what is a wish? And how are wiches answered? And how how would it all work up there? So I'm in that mindset and then I'm going to explain to you. I don't know how much y'all know about the default mode network, but that'll that's really like you're going to love that part again, the science, right, but I'm listening one night, I'm listening to a lecture on neuroplasticity, and I was like, is there science and wishing? It's there science and wishing. So that led to this game of cosmic whackable where like sciences would just popping up all over the place and it just and that's what it led me to write this book.

7:59 You know, cut up shameless plug the Artist is of Wishing. And you can say it's pretty thick. I mean there's a lot of that's a lot of writing. And I think it was like ninety. Four hundred attributions. You have to go online to find those because I was waste you know trees too. You were nice enough to send me a digital copy, and when I saw it was eight hundred and seventy nine pages, I thought, no, not, not going to read the whole thing before I am able to do the interview with her. So I read as much as I could, but I couldn't read the whole thing yet, So I thought. It reads really fast. But the thing I wanted you to see was the chapter on fun with skeptics, and so it is because and so that's what happened is I was I was doing this world building, and then I saw all these sciences and that led me to.

8:42 To write this. But I had to do thing things like I had decide what's the difference between a wish, a. Prayer, and a goal? Right, and a lot of people asking me like, well, how does where does manifesting kind of fall into that? I know you did the show on that and don't let me forget to bring up two things that you all brought up on that show. One was your neck. Talked about your neck and I want to ask you about your neck. Oh yeah, let me interrupt and ask is it better since that show or is it still something that's you're dealing with. So it's still something I'm dealing with. But I will tell you this, I have in my meditation. Sometimes I'll wake up with the stiff neck, and I meditate the first thing in the morning, and when I have that stiff neck, I will do what she said. You're talking about Christy who said told us that we had a chakra on the back of our head, the back of the neck, right, So so I do open it up and allow the pressure to release, and it does help with my headaches when it's happening, but I can't keep it open, so ineverthy always comes back. That's a PA.

9:34 So let's see if we can address that. We'll wish for that. We'll see if we've got at least in some way another. Like I was telling you, like she saw things a certain way and then I'm like looking at the same thing a little bit different, but it's the same, you know. It's not conflicting. And you talked about you looking at your body as an entity and that you actually kind of equated it to a dog. I don't know if you remember that, Yeah, like a pet, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So we could. Come back to all that because that into this. So I had to decide what's the wish difference between a wish prayer and a goal, how our wishes answered and you know, and then like what are the factors? Because what I the whole premise of the book is that you know, we all know what a wish is, right, and when we're going to get to anthropology, which you've lit up on, is that. But I talked about the difference between a wish and a cosmic wish too, So I'm gonna throw that out there because I don't want to be the rambling guest.

10:28 I want you all to tell me what's for you and then I'll go in whatever direction. But that's some of the things that kind of. One thing that popped up from me is when you were talking about how the universe kind of like you know, bumps you into the right direction, like the traffic angels. That is how we met. We were in the same place at the same time, like in different parts of the world. Many times I wouldn't say that's how we met, that's how we were supposed to have. No, it like bumped us into where we you know, because it started like in New York. We were both of this Michael Jackson concert. I lived in Florida and he lived in Meticut, so that was kind of random. Never met. We were both in Athens during the Olympics same time. Never met, and then when we finally did meet, we had a lot of we had friends in common.

11:15 Though we lived in separate cities, like an hour or and a half away from each other. That we didn't know Like, I didn't meet him through friends, right. We met when on a date, a couple of dates, run into a bunch of my friends and they're saying hello to him, and I'm like. How you know? So that just I don't know, that just popped up for me when you said that. And that I mean, that's I mean again, we can go off into the metaphysical stuff because I'm come back to the you know, we'll go anywhere you want to go. But that is so interesting, and I do think that happens, right, I think that, you know, like I said, we go off on a little bit of a tangent, but I think that free will happens in two places. It happens before we're born, and that's when we're sort of planning out our life and we're saying, Okay, we're going to meet sometime. You know, you all decided in advance. You know you're going to circle around at the right time, right, and timing is a big part of wishing.

12:04 By the way, I'll come back to that. And then and then and so you kind of before I look at it kind of like a roadmap, and this map is drawn before we're here. And then we get here and we're like, do we zoom to that intersection? Do we miss that connection? Do we have to keep going right? You know, over and over again to get we get the lesson? Do we take the high road at the low road? You know, do we go off road? Which I think we can. And that's where the other free will comes in. So so I might you know, to me, it sounds like your story was, yeah, you decided and then somewhere like I'm talking when you should write it as a story from the point of view of your guides, because your guys are like again. I mean, how much like you know they're at the same session, stand.

12:46 The same bumped into each other. The bathroom instead like what are we doing here? Like it sounds like a script for a movie. Actually, I mean It really could be a fun story. Really, you know, do those those traffic angels had to do some work for you and they're probably like. And whether they could take a break. Yeah, they're they're smoking a cigarette, having a beer. And I never wanted to get married. That was not in my life plan. It wasn't a goal nothing. And I would have married him two weeks after we met. So yeah, so I mean, when you got. It, what would have didn't? Never mind?

13:28 All right, So what is the difference between a wish and manifesting? Okay? Well, let me get to the wish of prayer and a goal? Okay? Can I can I come a little earlier than that because that that kind of sets the framework, right, I mean, what do you think I'm going to ask you? What do you think of the difference is between a wish, a prayer and a goal. I'm not so much on the spot, but y'all are probably okay with that. Well, yeah, I know, I know the a prayer has a wing because we alreays say on a wing and a prayer. Well, I think a goal is something you feel like you can just accomplish on your own, a. Prayer or something that is answered or not by a divine being. But that you think could really happen maybe, And the wish is maybe more like a. A wish is something that you try to make happen by blowing out birthday candles.

14:11 Yeah, that you really don't think you could make it happen. You don't think you Every time I wish, I'm like, it's better, it's better happening. Well, I had some crazy wishes come true and you know that, but I think I thought they were far fetched. I feel like a wish is more of like a far fetched thing. Okay, so to try to get I think a prayer is something that like you could see it, you can't make it happen for whatever reason. So you're praying for help to make that happen. And then a goal is something you're like, yeah, I can do that. I got to just wake up early and do it. How close is she? I think you all are right on the mark. I'll use my words, but it's the same thing you're saying, which is like a goal is something in your control, right, It's like I can do this, like you said, and you can set a plan and it's something for you to do now. Not all of life is completely in your control. But let's just say you know it's in your control, and a prayer is something way outside of your control. Right, It's like, I can't do anything about this.

15:01 I have to appeal to some sort of outside source, and I'm going to kind of preempt myself and just say. One of the things I love about wishing is you don't you can be you know, we talk about skeptics. You can be a religious, complete skeptic, agnostic, atheist, or just like skeptic about any of it and still be into this wishing thing because of the science, right, I mean that, like the science kind of validates it. And then you can be super religious or you can be super spiritual this and it all kind of pulls everybody together because everyone everywhere wishes right. And that's what you said at the beginning, like we all do it. We've all done it since the beginning of time. Humanity has wished right. So and you also brought up the power of the ritual right when it comes to wish right.

15:49 So it's something that prompts you, whether it's a time on the clock or birthday cake or something, you have something that does that. And so one of the things that I really want to get to in this world is to bring back collective wishing because I think we have lost that power or we're not using it as. Much as we could. Like you mentioned, like a thousand people, you know, what would happen if we got could we change the world? Right? And and and and and In the olden days, in the beginning of time, they get together and have wishing rituals for rain or you know, for different kinds of things that the community would wish for, and they'd all be wishing together and and and So I have some stories and I can come back to that as well as like I do.

16:31 But I'm going to ask you all. You a gemini? Yeah, you are because because your mind is you're you're going all away. I'm a Gemini. Also, that's why I recognize it, because our brain works similarly. We're like, oh, in this and this and this and this is so let's let's backtrack this. Yeah, that's why I'm trying to slow down and y'all guide me. But that the wish and the prey and the goal, the wish is something in between, right, It's somewhere in the middle. So you are kind you were you were hovering in that arena right when you're saying, and so because it's you know that some of it's out of your control, right, you release it once you blown the candles. And by the way, there's really interesting history of like using breath and air and the elements with wishes and wishing rituals.

17:16 So there's some cool stuff on that. So but you keep dropping stuff that we give me a second because because I want to go down all those rabbit holes, every single one. And I'm going to forget because you I'm a Gemini like you, right, sorry, go ahead, Yeah, I'm. Trying to circle. I'm just saying, there's so much cool stuff to it. No, too much, too much cool stuff, too. Much, I know. And so they so anyway, the wish. So my whole premise in the book is how do you turn a wish into a cas what I call a cosmic wish? And that's and you mentioned that earlier, is by applying the science, because the more you understand the science of wishes, the more you can bring more in your control.

17:58 So wait, what's the difference between a wish and a cosmic. Is when you add the science. Well, college wish is a scientific wish. Is when you start adding the sciences. Right, okay, all right, and so when. You understand the science of neuroscience or neuroplasticity, or the anthropology and history, or the sociology or the psychology, you know, motivation science, like there's all kinds of quanta physics, all those things help you go, Okay, now I know how to activate this. I know how to wish a certain way to get results. I know what to wish for to get certain results. I know how to do it. We're talking manifesting. Then at that point, right, quantum wishing could be considered manifestation. It depends on how you define manifesting. I like the idea of wishing. First of all, manifest doesn't. Testing does have a lot of nuances to it from a lot of perspectives, right.

18:46 And wishing is so it depends on your point of view. There are some I have a chapter actually in the book about how. Love attraction people have taken Ye, yeah. Did you see it? Like you got that chapter. It can have the downside, right, There can be a downside where like well, you didn't want it bad enough, or you didn't do your vision board, or you didn't do this and that's why it didn't happen, and it's all your fault because you could have made it happen. And I do love the fact that you call on the book the you know, how can how cruel it is to feel that someone is definitely ill because it means something that they brought them upon themselves, that kind of stuff.

19:27 So that's exactly right, that's exactly r. Yeah. So that's so that's why I hesitate to connect it because there's that that r around it. And a lot of times manifestation is I did the vision board and it's happened. It's already happened. It's like well or or it's it's got one answer and that's yes, right. And if you saw in the book there's four responses. Tool wish, that's right, that's right. So before the response is quick question, Yeah, quick question. Here we go. That's a quick question, right. I mean, I'm a cancer, but I can be too.

20:07 We're going to get to the emotional shop. That's important. Okay. So when you think about a wish, you know, you say make a wish, and you make it and you put it out there and that's your wish, and then you think about at least my understanding manifesting, you kind of have to be in that space for like a lot a long time until it happens. So is that like with just with wishing, can you just wish once? Or do you have to keep wishing that wish over and over again? This is where the science comes in, yes, right, and the science of neuroplasticity says, yes, you have to repeat it because and because the way you're got you're trying to retrain your brain to do some things when when you're making that wish. And so that's where the ritual is really fun. And that's where like I'm doing these wish circles and one person's ritual one wish circles ritual is every time you see a mirror, that's when you make the wish. Or some people have a certain time or somebody's doing a wish circle on wish the world was better place for animals, and then they're all wishing for every time to hear or see an animal, they're going to be making that wish.

21:07 See, Karen, I wasn't just looking myself in the mirror every time. I don't want the birthday thing to be the wish because I want it having birthdays over and over again. Those are good rituals. Like you know, there's a lot of near's rituals and it's fascinating. In every culture around the world has different kinds of rituals around wishing. It's it's fascinating. And but the ones you can do every day, like every time I'm brushing my teeth or when I wake up in the morning or whatever that is, because what that does in your brain is and so a lot of times manifestation is you did it and it's done, and you're living that moment as if it already happened. Well, there's some downsides to that psychologically, so you need to be able to see yourself happening and then you then it let it, need to let it go because if you saw in the chapter on the downsides, people actually they have a higher foreclosure rate on homes because they bought the house saying I already see that house happening, so I can afford it. And I don't have the money now, but I'll make it. And the four responses come in right right, So neuroplasticity, can I just fish You're gonna say, I just want to finish this that when you repeat it, what happens is that it activates what's called the reticular activating system.

22:16 Are you familiar with that? I am, yes, Yeah. So what I'm finding an answer, I'm going to find the answer. If I want this thing, I'm going to if I want a world a better place for animals, I'm going to be looking for ways to make with the world a better place for animals. And we're going to be doing that together, and we're going to be jamming on that, and we're going to come up with some really cool ideas. Not just oh poof, it happened right right. It's like it's like AI these days where you say, okay, I need you to go do something for me, and it just goes off and does it while you do the other stuff. You come back and it's already done. It's like you're programming your brain to go do the thing while you're all while you're living life. That's why you see me leaving the house with like a big sack of coins. I'm just going to the mountain.

22:56 Every day every day. Okay, well, what do you do? I'm going to right depending in that quarters. All right, well, then let's go over the four responses. Because we've touched on it a bunch of times, we haven't actually told people what the four responses are, but I know what they are, but I let you. Talk about it. So the first one is yes, right, obviously, it's yes, you get the wish. The other one is no, you don't get it. And it actually might be something that's protecting you, right, it can be something that's right and the best thing for you. And they say, be careful what you ask for because you just might get it. You might get it exactly right, but it might be that you don't get it because it's not the right thing for you. Right. The third one is weight. It means it's not not going to happen, but it's just delayed because the timing isn't right. And then the fourth is something better comes your way, right, something that you could never have it.

23:44 Imagine ever, all of a sudden it comes in better than you have ever possibly were able to wish. Did I get them right? You got them totally right? Yes? And that's where you and that's why it's really interesting and fun to look at the nuances right because and that's again the science is behind the nuances as well, but it's when you sometimes yes isn't the best answer, right, and and sometimes sometimes yes might be like with a lot of the manifestation, Oh, I wish for that ferrari. I'm going to have that ferrari in my front driveway. And then you get it, and then all of a sudden you're like, the next day lost its jazz. Right, it's not so exciting anymore. I mean, your neighbor gets a fancier one the next day.

24:30 Right, right, and genial all scratch and it's not. So there's some really interesting kind of science again, and that in terms of how your brain certain things that have more of a lasting effect on your happiness and satisfaction and everything else. So there's a really fun stuff in the book about the difference between wants and needs and getting to that. So again we can go off on that tangent. But the yes isn't always I knew we'd have fun. Yes isn't always the best thing, right, and it may not be, but you maybe have a there may be a. Lesson in all crap, I wanted that and what was I thinking? Kind of thing? Right? And then no, might be here's you need more information. You just didn't have enough information, and I did some impact interesting research research on the power of pivoting. I'm writing kind of a blog article about that because I could write five books on the same topic, and I actually am running a follow up one. But is like, if you wish for something and it doesn't come true, but that instead of just taking it away and saying no, learning to reframe it and pivot is much more powerful for your brain because your brain can You're not like having to suffer the loss. You're having to pivot to maybe something where you're going to be guided to something better.

25:44 So it's not like the sour grapes and not the end of the fable with the fox and the sour graps, right, it's not the sound grapes. You got to pivot. If you wish for this relationship, a certain relationship or whatever, and then it doesn't happen, then and then you might go, well, then I'm never going to meet anybody, right or something, and your brain shuts that down, and that's not a happy place, right right, But your brain can get a lot happier going, Okay, what did I get from this? What did I want from the situation? How can I take those good things and open up my and expand my vision to get more. So and then weight is two aspects of weight. Either it's you're not ready, right, so either your things, conditions in your life aren't ready, or maybe you have to do these three things before you're actually ready.

26:33 Like if you've got this right now, you'd be overwhelmed. But if you kind of get these little lessons under the way or these kind of experiences. Then you're more ready. Or maybe the world's not ready, you know, maybe there's like there's a whole external like, Okay, I can write a book now and that doesn't do anything. Two years from now, biggest thing ever write same book. That's it. So it's their fault, Karen not I knew it. You just want that's it. That's it. The world wasn't ready and. Then something better, right, And sometimes we fail to look at that. We get so honed in on oh I have to have that Ferrari. You're like, yeah, but you might be better off with you know, this kind of car Lamborghini. Yeah. Right.

27:14 So in the book, you talk about the fact that wishing is already doing something in your brain before anything happens. What do you mean by that well. First is to know how to make a wish. And I talk about that there's I have a because I have a bunch of little frameworks in there. But one is I call the three piece, so that when you're making the wish, you engage these three piece and then your wish that you're making relates to the three piece and the three piece are peaceful, positive and purposeful. Okay, So when you're making your wish, if you're making it from a peaceful place, then your body's engaged. It opens up with creative aspects in your brain that aren't there under anxiety.

27:57 Right. If you're like, oh, you've got to have wish for this, that's not exactly the best energy to go into a wish with, right, And you're not likely to be wishing. For the most peaceful wish, right. And so and then a positive and this is really important, is you're wishing for something and not. Against something else. And a lot of times it's like, oh, I wish my boss, you know, would stop leaving me alone. I've got a children's book, you know, shameless Plug. But in here there's an example of and I love this one so much, of a kind of preteen girl and she's got her younger sister trying to get her attention, you know, kind of baby sister, and she's like, I wish my sister would leave me alone. I'm too busy, right, And then she reframes her wish and that's a nate, that's a wishing against right. It reframes her wish, and they add the science of like, you know, again, the reticular activating system is one of the things, and she's so she changes the wish and she says, I wish I had more time for my sister.

28:58 And then she's going to find more time for her sister. Because more motivation is in the right place. Your motivation is in a better place, or brain can work with that. It's like, okay, and then we're going to get to the dog thing because it ties into that analogy is where are you physiologically right? And does that wish feel better? Right? It feels better than the first one, right. And then purposeful is really interesting because when you're wishing for something and you bring people in on it, especially when you're wishing for other people, then or your wish helps other people. There's something called mirror neurons that click with other people and you start getting and drawing people.

29:39 That are going to help you manifest your wish. Really beautiful stuff. Yeah, I like that, And I want to talk about the Global Consciousness Project later, but first before we do that, because that's what we're alluding to. But you talk about the three cells, and I found this really fascinating because it's not that you don't you say that you don't make a wish, we don't make a wish. It's like you say a committee. I like that. So can you explain that for us? Yeah, that's what I was going to. So I'm glad you. I'm glad you pivoted. See pivot. We talked about. Maybe I am like Ross, I pivot all the time. About that scene. A lot not is. Yeah.

30:20 So you know whether you use the term you know it ego super ego or subconscious conscious super conscious. Or mind body spirit because they're the same thing. I don't know if you saw in there, but my first book is called Five Reasons Why Bad Things Happen, And so when people say everything happens for a reason, it's like, yeah, I wrote the book on it, and so I stole from myself to write that section because and I use the terms inner self, out of self, higher self. But when I was writing that, it's all the same thing. When I was writing, I didn't before that, I didn't realize that the body is the subconscious. Body is subconscious. Your body is your subconscious.

31:02 That would explain like instinct reactions, right, because sometimes like that whole walking down the dark alleyway and your stomach gets all funky, that your conscious is not is like, it's probably fine. Well, your body, your bread, your your subconscious is taking in I think it's like eleven million impressions in a minute, and your mind is getting fifty you know, Like so I mean you're it picks up everything. So that is exactly right. And so but when you're realizing that, like and then this is kind of getting in the woo of metaphysics and and belief systems that I can't back up necessarily with science.

31:43 But unless depending on your. Where you're like how far how woo do you want to get on your science? But you know, assuming that you have a soul that existed before you're born, and that soul will exist after you die, right, so there's an everlasting part of you that's your that's your higher self or what a super conscious whatever and that soul chooses a body to become you. Right, if your soul and those in my body, it would be different, right, or vice versa or. Each other, you know, if you chose in each other's body. And so when you start thinking about that, and one of the five reasons why bad things happen is subconscious sabotage, right, And it's when your body is not in alignment with what's going on. Oh yeah, So that's really important to start understanding, Like, Okay, if you're subconscious your body, then it lives on this physical world.

32:34 It lives by the rules of this pyscical world. It's where genetic memory and all of that come into play. Right, It's where all the family. You choose that body for a reason for lots of lessons and things like that. You chose that family, You chose that whole situation. So when you're making a wish, it's really important that all three selves are in alignment and being served by the wish. So how do you do that? Hey? There, we have a small ask. We know that there are tons of options out there, and having you decide to come along on our journey of discovery with us, well, that's an absolute honor for us. But if you know someone who would benefit from hearing the messages that we are sharing on the show, won't you do them in us a favor and share the show with them.

33:20 Take a moment right. Now and forward this episode to that person. That's it, just a simple ask for your help and spreading the word. We'd appreciate it so much and see, not only will it help get the word out about us, but it also might just change someone's life for the better. Hey, thanks to your help on this. Without further ado, let's get on to the interview. So how do you do that? Yeah? Well, first is to get to know your body right to really make friends. And that's where your other guests kind of ventured into this. And this is where you kind of brought up, Karen, this whole idea of like your body as a separate entity. And I do talk about that in my first book. That's really important. In fact, there's a religion called the Hunah religion. I don't you know if you know about that, but it's basically the same three cells kind of framework. They suggest you name your body.

34:16 She is a different name than Karen. Well, and you can't tell them what it is. They'll tell you just so you know, Like you can't say, well, I want your butty, my body's name to be this. No, it'll come like in fact, it's when your default mode network is going on. And I'll come back to that. But it'll come when you're in a shower or wake up or something, when you're not consciously thinking. Your body will tell you their name and I will tell you though. I always like to get this warning because I had a friend of mine and I said, okay, yeah, come up, you name everybody. And she came up and I said, now you have to listen to her, like once you open that dialogue, you have to listen. Because she called me and about two weeks later she's like, okay, something's going on. I know I locked my front door before I went to bed, and I woke up and not only was the door unlocked, it was open. And I know I set my alarm and my alarm's not set.

35:15 I mean, your body will do things like that to get your attention. Okay, that's obnoxious to them if you're not listening, but they look at it like if noxious, like I'm trying to get your attention and you're not hearing I have to do like you know. It's also a little scary though, right, You're not in control of your own actions at that point. It just means that you have to you have to be conscious, you have to make that relationship. The more you make that relationship with your body, like you said, you treated her like an entity or like a pet or something, which is so beautiful. In fact, the example that I give in the book, which I don't know if you saw this part well, but is I imagine you see your neighbor walking their dog and the dog runs off.

36:00 What usually happens, You freak out, You start running after chase after it. Yeah, yeah, chase after it, or you yell at it. Right, And that's what we often do with our body. Yeah right. But instead of. You go to the dog, Hey, it's fun over here. The dog's going like, yeah, I'll go over. There, Roy, if you start running the opposite direction the dog over here, or. With the toddler like they yeah, they fit and they're like yeah, but look, if there's a dog out the wind of the dog, toddlers snapped out of it. So it's about making friends, it's about making it fun, and there's some really interesting science about making it fun. So if your wish is fun, your body is going to be aligned with in alignment with it much more. It really is life changing because I can I mean I don't. I don't know if you've noticed anything or not, but for me, I have noticed. I mean it was in decades looking in the mirror and seeing what was wrong, you know, and now and then I can't. I went through this period and I just had so much like compassion and I felt so sorry to my body. Yes, and now I mean and I'm whatever age, i am, whatever shape I'm in, I'm not trying to lose weight anymore.

37:03 And I mean, I want to be healthy. So I'm watching them want to eat. But it's it's not to make me look better, right, because that, to me would be a criticism of my body. And my body's been trying so hard to make me happy for all these years, and I'm just appreciating that more. And it's it's been a game changer. When you said that, I was like, she got it, she gets it right. The only difference is maybe a name right that might help you talking to me. And it's really to the point of like, what do you want to do today? You know, how what do you want to eat? And usually it's going to be something healthy, But if they're getting back at you, they'll go to the like if you ever had like that doughnut you forgot you eight? You know, every day, every day, but. You'll find you did you find that you're more conscious at eating too, Like when you're eating, you're more aware of every bite.

37:47 Yes, yes, absolutely, of the choices I'm making and and I'm not really missing the junkie stuff every once in a while. But but before I used to crave it, like in the weekend, I'm gonna have this, I'm gonna have that. And now I'm like, yeah, be kind of good and I'll have a bite and that's all I need. What was going to say, Because if you're if you're allowing her, she's not going to you know, if you're if you're indulging then and you're saying, okay, what do you want to do? Then it's like the body feels like okay, I'm heard and I'm in alignment here. And so that's again you know, five reasons why your body is saying, you know, this is not something I want, Like Uh. One of the stories I like to tell is of a friend who's a workaholic and she was going to work all weekend. It was a labor day weekend, and she's going to work the three day weekend and she goes to a takeout restaurant and she so she can, you know, load up for the weekend.

38:36 She trips on the curb and twist her ankles. She's in bed all weekend. That's her body going, hell, no, I'm not working. Mmm. You might not have heard, might not have heard the episode When we talked about. Tony, you should mentions. We were on a first vacation a long time in Europe, first together, and you're right, And on the second day of the vacation, I fell and broke my ankle when we were in France. Yeah, so the rest of the trip I was on crutches and had to take things very slowly. So, yes, he had been talking about him slowing down and he wouldn't and then he did.

39:23 And you know, and that actually I mean not breaking an ankle, but a lot of times people go on vacation and that's when they finally get sick, right, Yeah, because they've been on this adrenaline. They've been on this push. And so it's it's so in starting negotiating and say this is fun over here, you know, to the body. Or like, let's say you have a project due and you and it's really busy, but you're distracted and popping around on so you know, especially as geminis right, we might be popping around all over the place, oh yeah, and looking for those dopamine hits, right instead of focusing on. Doing the work. But if you say to our body. Look, hey, if we can get this project done by noon, I'm going to give you all afternoon to go play, and your body will like, okay, let's hunker down, let's get this thing done.

40:03 I'm going to try that because I've got I've got a lot of episodes to edit. So I'm going to say, okay, we finished fifteen episodes by noon, I'll give you the rest of the day off. That's it, and make it fun. Say we're gonna have fun on these episodes too, Like this work is going to be fun. And then I'm going to reward you with whatever it is you want to do. If it's a walk or if it's a you know. What happens what happens if noon comes and goes and we've got one episode done versus fifteen, then that can't rewarded for not you know, well. Honestly, like your wishes, they have to be your goals have to be you know, reasonable and realistic. But you'll find that it's more focused, Right, You'll find yourself much more focused. And it's part of and I've gotten this is another change and I'll just throw out and we can come back. But is the whole power of gamification, right, And I have when my my collective wishing program has gamification where you get points.

40:56 And activities and their games and they're fun because that's where your body's like, I'm going to want to do that, Like. That's or And even if all you do is even if whatever you're wishing for, whatever it is, if you're making it in a peaceful, positive and purposeful place, your body's going to want to do that because that feels good, right, And. Then you're training your body to at least once a day. Feel peaceful, positive and purposeful, and that's going to change your physiological person. So yeah, that's so. So when when it comes to like your neck you were talking about, he is ask him, get to know him, ask his name, and make sure you're listening, and say what is it? I mean, this is gonna be completely like a little bit tongue in cheek, but it's certainly worth asking.

41:40 It's like, is something or somebody of pain in the neck? Did you just sigh it on me? I'd never I would never do that. Never. Actually, I will say the when he looked at you is more like do you know the answer to that? Because I don't know that. It wasn't later. It really was though your look was like yeah, ask ask so and what is it you know? That is that you know? And what can I do? How can I make you happy? What is it going on? And and and maybe it's okay, you know what we need to do more stretching, you know, or we need you know, we need to try this kind of different sleeping position, or we need to do whatever it is.

42:26 Ask him. And again, when you have the name, it's easier because then you can look at it. It's like a separate entity. Right. So in your book you talk about spic skepticism and all that kind of stuff, So I think this might be an appropriate time to bring that up because I can't imagine myself talking to my body. Why, because I'm talking to my body. You talk to yourself all the time. It's myself, but your body is yourself. It's a holistic it's my committee. Choose one member of your committee and doctor, Well, how do you do that? Like you mentioned the default system, blah blah blah, let's talk about that. How do you get into that zone to be able to talk to your body in the best way possible?

43:07 Yeah, And it's fun because there's a chapter in the book on the science of storytelling and so a little bits in that. And then I'm writing a new book called The Art and Science of Wishing at Work. So it's for like, especially for companies going through big change. So it's kind of a different pivot, that is, but there's a there's kind of ten criteria. Are you ready for this change? Because wishing is inherently about change, right, I mean, it's something you want to see that's different. And so I started getting into some really interesting research. And I don't know if you know that Aaron Sorkin talks about when he's writing that he sometimes will take like seven showers a day. No, that's a clean man can you guess why, because that's where his mind is the quietest.

43:52 Yes, what happens. So what happens is it's a shift in your brain. You think it's off, but it's actually turning certain parts off, in certain parts on. So if you're sitting there super focused, hyper focused on something, certain parts of your brain. And again I'm not the scientist, so I can't remember exactly which is which it's in the book, but and I mean seventy different kinds of science, well seventy scientists and dozens of sciences. Nobody could probably remember, even if you are a scientist. But anyway, so give myself some grace. But what happens is there's a certain part of your brain when you're super focused, but when you take away that focus, we think our brain is wandering, but what's actually happening is other parts of our brain are turning on.

44:34 And that's called the default mode network. So he found a trick to access the default mode network where he and now you probably think, like I couldn't remember that word in the boom, I'm washing the dishes, or I'm going for a walk, or you know, three in the morning. Three in the morning, right, And that's when certain parts of that brain are turned off in certain parts on. So I actually was writing kind of like a part and a blog article about you know, okay, how do you act sess the default mode network without seven hours a day? Like what are the tricks to do that? Yeah? His water build must have been incredible. Yeah, And so that's when when you're when you're in your inner self or your body, you know, that's when you're kind of releasing the mind and the and that particular part of your consciousness is taking over. So that's a psychology answer to the neuroscience.

45:23 Of of what's happening there. So you know, I would just say, is try talk to him. Just ask his name and see if he comes. And if generally when you get the name, you're. Like, whoa, this been really good? Like this is some you know, and and. Then and just say, you know, just start small and just say what do would you like to do today? What what would you like to eat? Where are you? Because I've even been to the point because my body likes exercise, So I'm kind of, you know, obsessed with doing my ninety minutes on the electrical every day. That's my kind of my obsession and. But there have been times when I've draw drawn driven to the gym and my body's like, you know, I don't want to and I'm like, okay, not to go home, Like it's that clear.

46:08 Yeah, Well, I don't want you to hold a new friend. You're just meeting a new friend and he's been your friend forever. I don't want you to get your hopes up because I have been asking my spirit guys tell me their names for months and I've heard no names. So maybe it's not a pronounceable name. Oh she's got all the answers. I know nothing about that. Well, in my story that I told you, I wrote, I just call him x Y and the z's because I really couldn't come up with a name, and I really felt like either they didn't want the world to know their name or they had names that were just so out there and unwriteable, pronounceable, or whatever. So so I kind of came up with that excuse. But for your body, you know, he. Is an excuse because what's going to happen together, which I really we've got I've got to hear.

46:55 The follow up to this is when. You have your body and you have her name, right, you've already got a relation. Now you're just gonna have a name so you can like, Okay, we're friends. We're going to go for a walk together, you know kind of thing. And when you do, then you're going to be able to communicate on that level. And you already do but in a more conscious way. So your body and his body are like, okay, what are we? You know, where are we on that level? And then you've got your mind level, which is already kick ass, right, I mean, y'all are so jamming on that level, and then the spirit level, right and so, and with your wishing, if it's on all three levels, you've just maximized our at least signify, increased your connection to your wish and your chances that it's happening.

47:36 It's like a party because there's six of us. I'm a Gemini. There's a lot more than that moved. Right, like concept and multiple selves. Okay, I'm like, I'm jumping in. So the wishing work that you've done, have you studied or heard of any studies of the difference between the power of the wish of a child compared to that of an adult, Because when I was young, I got whatever I wanted, you know, I would want you know, I'm gonna win that cakewalk and I'd walk in and I'd win it. Or you know, I want to a drum set for Christmas. I got a drum set. It just like random, not for my mother. Even it's like random stuff, like if I wanted it, I would get it. It doesn't really happen anymore. So I'm wondering is there a reason behind that?

48:22 I mean, I would have I haven't seen studies, so I couldn't. I couldn't answer that. I could probably speculate. And a few things. Is one is, you know, as you get older, your lessons, you know, become more serious and more real, right as a child, do not necessarily learning big lessons. And then there's a phenomena that I call the blue balloon phenomena. That I don't want. Well, I don't want you to think I forgot your question about skeptics. So do you want to do skeptics and then we come back to blue balloons or do you talk about blue balloons? Go ahead and close the blue balloon out and then we'll go we'll head over there. Okay, So imagine you're driving home and you have this image of a blue balloon in your driveway, Like just a blue balloon there on your driveway and you drive home and there's a blue balloon.

49:14 What could have made that balloon? We could have made that happen. See, I would just say it's the universe doing what it does. But I don't know. I mean, but there's a lot of manifestations of that, Like you know what I mean, like, yeah, what does that mean? I don't know. It just happens to a peer. It's just since you drive in and the balloon's there. There could have been like some birthday party and it blew over or. Well here the skeptic of me would say, you probably saw the blue balloon subconsciously on your way out and you thought of it. And now the way when you got there it was there. Yeah, that's what I don't think that way. I'm like, Helenujah, that's the next thing.

49:55 Right. One possible answer is that you it was there, and you know those eleven MILLI million versus fifty you just and you just hadn't registered and all of a sudden guess right, And then in the book, I have three answers, and now just from today is like my default mode network went crazy on the concept. Now I have ten or eleven. Reading some revisions coming. Yeah, and there's. So many like it because of my you know, I've triggered the default mode network. So it's looking you know, it's it's because when it's turning off, then all those things that you couldn't remember that word, they start popping up because you suppressed. That that idea. But one could be you manifested like I saw it, and I manifested and that balloon was there because I thought about it right, And one could be you know, your subconscious saw it. Another could be that you could have been in some glitch in the matrix somebody told me like, oh well that's interesting, like you could have like kind of seen something like that. Another explanation is that that you got a precognitive.

50:53 Kind of view of what was going to be there. So you've got a little bit of you know, I don't know if we want to call it retrocausality. If you know anything about that quantum physics you've talked about quantum physics like that, you can actually go back and see something that's happened. And effect affect what I mean, your decisions. You make now could affect what has already happened. That's right, that's right, that's right. So you visualized it, but but you and you're seeing something now that had already happened, and so and then there's like, okay, well maybe maybe the balloon is there as a symbol or a message from the universe. And when you say the universe, that could be another universe. Answer, right, is okay? Well then you know, if it's like a dream symbol, then you look in your dream book.

51:34 But what does bloom mean? And what does a balloon mean? And is it a message? Is it a message from And maybe blue balloon means something special to you because you had a childhood birthday and it's a message from somebody that's on the other side. That's you know. I mean, there's so many cool answers. And the thing that's fun about that is that it means that manifestation is a whole different animal when you start looking at it from all those different possibilities. Right, does that make sense? It does? I think we need to bring you back in for another hour because we just beaar these kinds of surface. And I want to hear I want to come back and I want to see you guys both know your animal or your body names and how that's working.

52:16 Well, we're definitely gonna have to bring you back because we see that. I love that we're almost at time, but we tease a little bit. We have to touch on it. I want to talk with the Global Consciousness Project because this means that we're talking about a bunch of people coming together and making things happen. Yes, there is some really interesting science of this collective intention stuff. It's and the field effect and some of those kinds of things. So there is some really interesting and then the Maharishi and the one percent solution. I'm sure you've seen a lot of that stuff. We don't see enough of it these days though, I mean, like we're not wishing together. And one of the stories that I kind of like to tell is just kind of imagine you were back during the Black Plague, right and you lived in the Black Plague. Fifty percent of the people around you were dying. Every other person is dying.

53:01 There are corpses in the street, rotting, people dying everywhere. Nobody knows what caused it, Nobody knows if it's ever going to go away. Nobody knows that it's going to be one hundred percent right. That's a world where wishing. Probably stopped, right. I mean, you become such a level of despair. Can you imagine a world with no wishing? I mean, we just stop wishing? Mm, no, thank you. Yeah. It's when you see the power of wishing and just the word wishes, like this wish. I mean, it's this beautiful flow of an energy. And so in my story, I kind of come up with a wish fairy who has this idea. What if you blow on a dandelion and the puffs go everywhere and you make a wish and when you make that wish, your loved one's souls go to heaven. That's beautiful, that lovely, And so we don't know. I mean, I could be making that up, or maybe I had a pass life where I was, you know, and was the one who made people think about using a dandelion as ritual for a wish. But you know, again, the anthropology, the power of the ritual and the reminder in this world how powerful and important wishes and wishing on And I know you didn't get to skeptics, but I'm just going to say there's a beautiful chapter on less engaged skeptics. And if anybody's listening, going, Okay, she's full of it, or she's got this much and she needs this much more.

54:21 I love to hear, and I love skeptics, and I love people who are wondering and questioning and pushing back. I want to learn more. I'm an explorer, as I said, and so I fun Skeptics are fun. I mean they are funny. They can make it really fun because they start, you know, helping you learn more in your own self and expand. And that's what science is about. Is really get get the concept in concrete. Yeah, so really really quickly got I want to frustrate the audience that you mentioned the Maharshot fact. That's when the study that when one percent of the population meditates together, the crime rate falls, right. And then the consciousness, the global conscious The project is a project A Princeton has been running for over like twenty years where they find that around major global events like nine to eleven NAS meditations, death to Princess Diana, they show a lot of statistically anomalous non random patterns, whereas before it's mostly all random, but when big events happen, like these things that you couldn't figure out randomly actually start happening at the same time.

55:25 And that's what we're talking about. There's a lot in this book that we haven't had a chance to talk about. So it's called The Art and. Sorry, car and Science of Wishing. The Art and Science of Wishing, and it is available where. And pretty much, well not in bookstores, but it is on Amazon and Apple Books and Google Books and all of those places. Okay, And if someone wanted to learn more about you or get in contact with you or anything like that, what's the best way for someone to do that. Yeah, well, I'm the only brown al Landrum in the world, so it's pretty easy to find me in that regard. I want you to invite you to as as well as anybody listening to join my Facebook group called Life is a Trip, Reincarnation and afterlife Stories, so it's a place where people can share stories.

56:07 And I'm on all the socials. I'm just starting to build my YouTube channel, so there's going to be some really cool stuff with activities and things you can do, like, Okay, I'm going to do this activity to make my wishes more in my control, or learn this science that's going to take it to the next level. So and I just I love hearing from you. Know. I love reviews. If anybody reads the book and wants to give me a review, I love them. And I just like I love this discussion. I love going into these topics and just exploring sounds awesome. Well, we're going to add a direct link to your website and your socials and our social media. So if you didn't have a pandemic took a point in time, all you need to do is go is keptyque position dot com, go to her episode page. You'll find all those links late in there, so it's easy for you to reach out to her directly. This has been fascinating.

56:49 I know this is not going to be the last time we talked about this because we literally we haven't evenme close to all the topics we we could have talked about, all the different culture role in idiosyncrasies around wishing across history, Like, there's all these things we could have talked about, and we will talk about next time you come on the show. So thanks for being on. We'll talk to you in soon.