Spiritual Intelligence Explained: How to Find Inner Peace & Purpose Daily
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Spiritual Awakening

What if the missing piece in your spiritual journey isn’t more meditation apps, rituals, or retreats—but something as practical as spiritual intelligence? In this enlightening and surprisingly fun episode, Will & Karen sit down with Dr. Yosi Amram, licensed clinical psychologist, CEO leadership coach, best-selling author, and pioneering researcher in the field of spiritual intelligence. With roots in mystical Judaism, Buddhism, Kundalini Yoga, and the Diamond Approach, Yosi bridges ancient wisdom and modern science to show how spirituality can actually be lived...right here, right now.

From gratitude practices that shift your heart in seconds, to reframing life’s red lights as blessings in disguise, to uncovering your evolving sense of purpose, Yosi provides listeners with both timeless insight and practical tools they can start using today.

Along the way, expect plenty of laughs, like what happens when Will compares spiritual bypassing to Monty Python’s “it’s just a flesh wound” moment, or when Karen presses Yosi on who really has the higher spiritual intelligence. Spoiler: the answer might surprise you.

By the end of this episode, you’ll discover that cultivating spiritual intelligence doesn’t require quitting your job, moving to a monastery, or renouncing Netflix binges. It’s about small, conscious choices that deepen self-awareness, expand compassion, and connect you to a sense of purpose, while making daily life a whole lot more peaceful (and even joyful).

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

  • What spiritual intelligence really is, and how it differs from emotional intelligence or mindfulness
  • The 22 timeless spiritual qualities that traditions across the world all agree on (like gratitude, humility, and service)
  • Practical, bite-sized ways to grow your spiritual muscles daily, without adding “3 hours of meditation” to your calendar
  • How suffering, trust, and purpose weave together in the journey of spiritual growth
  • Why our personal awakenings ripple outward into healthier relationships, workplaces, and even societies
  • The inconvenient truth about spiritual growth that nobody wants to hear, but absolutely needs to
Resources & Links Mentioned
  • Take the Free Spiritual Intelligence Assessment: AwakeningSI.org
  • Yosi’s Award-Winning Book: Spiritually Intelligent Leadership (available on Amazon & major booksellers)
  • Learn More About Dr. Yosi Amram: YosiAmram.net
Ready to Raise Your Spiritual IQ?
This episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating a spiritual awakening and wondering how to practically integrate it into everyday life. Whether you’re brand new to the path or years in, Dr. Yosi Amram’s insights will help you align with purpose, deepen compassion, and discover why inner peace is more possible than you think.

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Karen, very important questions for you. Got a very part answer,

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Are you sure? No? I much prefer your honesty for sure. Okay,

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here we go. How can someone go from engineer at

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MIT to Harvard MBA to spiritual Jedi master with a

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PhD in psychology? I don't know, You don't.

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I can't even think of like a clever answer to that.

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I will not be dispointed. Well, you meditate your way

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through quantum mechanics. Well, but not only do you meditate

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your way through quantum mechanics, you also breathe through I

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pos and chakra align your way into the C suite.

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Makes total sense, easy for you to well. This week's

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guess is basically what happens when Einstein goes on a

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silent retreat and comes back. Quoting Roomy, He's coached a

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billion dollar CEOs, founded nonprofits that awaken masculinity and love,

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and wrote the literal book on spiritual, spiritually intelligent leadership.

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Again easy for you to say, But Karen, don't worry.

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He's way more than is, way more than theory. He's

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got tools, practices, and probably even an interdimensional calendar system

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for scheduling spiritual breakthrough somewhere. I'm per sieved there. So

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stay tuned and enlightenment may come closer than your next

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to do list. On the Skeptic Metaphysicians, my name is

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Will and I'm Karen, and unlike moulderin Scully.

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Both want to believe.

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So we've embarked in a journey of discovery.

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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and

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metaphysical world.

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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even

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joined a coven.

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Of witches and wait, you joined a coven.

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will prove that there's something beyond this physical.

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Three dimensional world we all live in.

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This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Okay, I'm just gonna say it.

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I've officially become that guy who wears an energy around

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maybe it's time to zap back with q Link. Hey there,

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I will welcome back to on the eye opening episode

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of the Skeptic Positions, today's guest is none other than

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Doctor You'll see I'm Wrong, a man who's basically the

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spiritual love child with the Dolly Lama and Steve Jobs.

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Oh if Steve had traded turtlenecks for prayer beats any uterus.

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So it as a love child, Donnie Lama. Steve Jobs

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is splitting.

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Hair security anyway. And you'll see has not only launched

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companies into billion dollar IPOs, but now he's launching souls

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into self actualization. With over twenty years eat and mystic Judaism, Buddhism, Kundalini, yoga,

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and the Diamond Approach, Oh, the Diamond Improveance. Yosi doesn't

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just talk about spiritual intelligence, he embodies it. His book

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Spiritually Intelligent Leadership is a best seller and an award winner.

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That's basically what would happen if a Ted talk and

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a monk at a very wise baby. He's here to

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shows that enter piece can be practical, spirituality can be scientific,

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and yes, your Google calendar can make room for enlightenment.

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So how does someone cultivate spiritual intelligence in everyday life

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without quinning your job or moving to a monastery. We're

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about to find out as we Welcome to the show, Yosi,

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I'm run to the show. Welcome Josie, nice to see.

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Here, Thank you, thank you, will and ken. Wow, after

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that introduction, I'm bound to disappoint you and your audience.

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So that is that is not a good start there,

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I know.

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I already disappointed you. See, I prove myself. I just

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wive myself right.

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Nothing else. You are a man of your word?

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have have psychic abilities. You forgot to mention that.

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Oh, I think we're about to prove you wrong here

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which will prove me right?

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Then? Oh?

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This give me a fun one I can already tell us. Okay,

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most important question, right, spiritual intelligence? How do you define that?

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How's a difference from like mindfulness, for example.

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Or emotional intelligence?

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You might integence, yeah, which.

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what we know. So, emotional intelligence is the ability to

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draw on emotional resources and information to help manage emotions

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in ourselves and others. So by analogy, spiritual intelligence is

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the ability to draw on spiritual resources and information and

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embody timeless wisdom in the modern day life. So what

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are these spiritual qualities and resources? You might say, these

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are the virtues that for millennia, thousands of years across

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all the world's traditions have been spoken about like purpose, service, gratitude, trust, beauty, compassion, forgiveness, humility, presence,

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and so on. So these qualities came through in my

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interviews with seventy one teachers across all the world's traditions,

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and regardless of their cosmology or theology, whether they believe

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Moses went up to the mountain and saw God face

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to face, or Jesus was the Messiah, Muhammad was the

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final prophet, or there's Shiva Shakhti or Father Sky, Mother Earth,

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whatever their theology and cosmology, the one thing they could

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agree on is living a life of purpose, service, gratitude, trust,

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humility is the good life. And so this has been

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known for humanity for thousands of years. What is exciting

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now is we have modern research, not just my own,

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but the whole field of positive psychology. People like Marty

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Seligman you may have heard of, developed this thing called character, Strength,

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Inventory and Values in Action, and they define twenty four

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qualities lo and behold over half of the qualities of

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what came through my research. Twenty two qualities of spiritual

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intelligence map one to one with qualities of positive psychology.

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So you have convergence through the ancient, timeless traditions, the

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modern science. Not just my own, but you know, worldwide

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research across different cultures and traditions that show the benefit

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of spiritual intelligence in terms of greater satisfaction, quality of life,

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deeper meaning more resilience, individual productivity, group productivity, and then

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this field of positive psychology and leadership development. So I

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know I'm saying a lot. I'll stop. I asked you

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to interrupt me when I go off.

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But here's the thing, though, YO, see you you are

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already been proven wrong. You were not disappointing. In fact,

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you were going way beyond what they expected you to answer.

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That's why that you go on and on, so you

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could see that unit disappointment you go, you're over delivering.

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That's honored. I'm honored.

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Absolute.

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So quick question for at aside, if you may. So

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you went and did a silent meditation that the sound

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of retreatation that transformed you will did one and he

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came back and just kind of wanted to talk a

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lot like where's the disconnect here?

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I think that's a shot. I think you took a shot,

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and they just have.

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Oh wait a minute.

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Well, so the introduction was if as if he had gone.

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On a sanitary I thought, and you said you did.

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Well, what if both of you are right as if

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and I did? So you know what you imagine might

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be true too. I mean, you know that's the whole

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thing of visualization. You know, you can manifest. If you

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imagine it, it becomes true. So that's another thing right there,

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you go.

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Okay, so let's say that you wanted to exponentially increase

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your spiritual intelligence. How does someone go about doing that?

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Or or is there do it? Is it like? Is

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it like? Is it like? Is there an spiritual IQ

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test you take? You know, like you're this smart spiritually

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or you're this dumb spiritually?

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Well there is. I do offer a free assessment of

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your spiritual intelligence and k yeah, you can go to

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my site and and so on. We could drop that

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in the show notes if you care, absolutely. But the

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point actually is not to give you an absolute score

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to others is because that just engages your ego and

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it's like, oh and well, let me ask you which

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of the two of you has higher spiritual intelligence. I

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got in trouble, okay, I should I got all three

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of us in trouble.

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You're all about that Pandora's box.

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And then just like to stir the pot.

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But here's the question. Who has the greater spiritual talent?

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Is who thinks they.

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Have any That is the question here and the question.

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Yeah, so actually what we what we do in the

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assessment is not tell you. We normalize it relative to yourself.

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So we tell you these qualities you you're really high

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in purpose and service and you know someone else is

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really high enjoy and gratitude or whatever. So it's like

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identifying your relative strength. It's like your question is if

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I wanted to get instantly physically fit, what would I do? Well,

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you can't. You got to go to the gym and

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you have so many muscle groups in your body.

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Whether it's I thought you were actually going to answer

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that question, I was all excited.

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Yeah, well I am, I am. I'm working up to it.

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Oh okay. So the first thing, the first thing you

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do is you set an intention. Like anything in life,

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you got to set an intention. So if you set

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an intention and say I want to grow my spiritual intelligence,

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that's your north star. So right now, if you're listening,

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you know, the two of you or anybody listening, just

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see what it's like to connect with your intention and

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say I wish to develop greater spiritual intelligence. So tell

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me what do you experience right now as you say that,

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or do you think that as you set that intention

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in yourself, what happens to your physiology, your body, your

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sense of aliveness, your chest, your breathing, your spine, what

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have you?

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I get the sense a long way to go.

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Well, you make the point of if you want to

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get in shape, you know you have to go to

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the gym, you have to work out, and that's we

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know that. It's like I know how to get in shape,

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do it, but I know how to do it, but

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I have no idea how to get in spiritual shape.

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What exercises? Is it just meditation? And there's got to

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be more than that.

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Well, you know the stage is into a lot of

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say gurls' hands, it could exist.

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Okay, Well, now the point about setting an intention, though,

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is is then you like with your gym, with your

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physical thing, is then you say, okay, I have these

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muscle groups. Do I work on my ads? Do I

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work on my triceps? Do I work on this? So,

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as I said, we have twenty two quality as a

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spiritual intelligence. So there are some essential ones that I

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would recommend people start with, which would be gratitude or purpose.

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So gratitude, for example, is a capacity that you know,

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really fundamentally alters are moved, and we know that people

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that live with the attitude of gratitude are happier, you know,

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are healthier physically, emotionally, spiritually. So one place to begin

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is a gratitude practice. I wake up in the morning,

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I begin with gratitude. I go to sleep. At the

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end of the day, I go with gratitude. I go

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through my day and now I look for moments that

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I tonight gonna think about for gratitude and I express it.

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So like right now, the two of you could look

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at each other and think about, you know, oh what

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am I grateful for here and my partner in crime

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and maybe oh there we go sharing. Yeah, yeah, look

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at that sweet smile. I notice how it affected you,

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and you know, Karen reached out and affectually touched your face.

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So you know, when we express gratitude, we expand our

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heart's capacity and it makes good, feels good for those

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receipt receiving it, and it's good for us. So where

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it's not like I'm spending a dollar out of the

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one hundred dollars I have. The more I express gratitude,

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the more gratitude I have in my heart. So it's

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a perpetual motion machine that creates a positive feedback. So

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you build the habit around gratitude. Then you pick another quality,

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let's say purpose. You know, what is my purpose? What

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is my calling? So you know there's the Japanese arch

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of ekey guy, the purpose of being? And we think

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about you think about what are my unique gifts, talents

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and superpowers that life has granted me? What are you?

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Yeah, but before we go down too far down the rabbit, Well,

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let's go back to gratitude for a second, because Okay.

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I'm grateful for you interrupting me and following up on

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my request.

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It's gratitude. We all know gratitude is a wonderful first step. Yeah, However,

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sometimes people find it really difficult to find things that

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they can be truly grateful. So how do you recommend

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that someone Actually, if it's difficult for someone to think

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about and nothing good happen to you today, what how

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can you still practice gratitude if like you didn't win

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the lottery.

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the lottery. I mean the very the very fact that

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we are alive and breathing. I can enjoy my ice cream,

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my burrito, my whatever. I have running water at home.

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Then I woke up in bed, in safety. So there

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are the basic things that I think we can We

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can usually find something to be grateful for.

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So I honestly, this is I'm going to admit this.

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Hunts is a bad thing, and this is cheat. First,

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the gratitude comes, but it is sometimes it's hard and

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I feel like everything's going wrong, and you know, yes

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you have harder driving, but it's hot, the ac doesn't

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work well whatever. So I try to think, well, you know, hey,

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look you know and it's like you shouldn't compare, and

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then you shouldn't compare yourself to people in a lesser situation.

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But at least that kind of helps me be thankful

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for the fact that my legs were or something. Is

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that is that wrong too?

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I think that's great. I mean, I'm grateful that I

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could take a breath right now. Let's see what happens

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if I just let myself feel the fact that I

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can breathe and what's it like? Is there pleasure that

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I can derive just from breathing? Now? The interesting thing

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is one of my favorite things speaking about Sometimes we

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have really tough days and what have you, and it's

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hard to find gratitude. One of my favorite things I

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do with Thanksgiving, when we were supposed to go into gratitude,

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everybody's like, I'm grateful for this, I'm grateful for that,

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which is wonderful. And I like to up the game

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and say, okay, tell, let's share something that happened in

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your life that seemed like a it's a real difficult,

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painful disaster and how did it turn out? So people

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speak about, oh, I lost my job, I went through

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a divorce, God forbid or whatever it is. But you know,

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when I lost that job, I thought it was terrible.

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I was under financial pressure, et cetera. But then I

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really discovered something much better and new calling I changed

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my career. So you know, sometimes it's hard to see

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we're in the midst of it. But but you know,

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for example, one of my practices, I'm rushing, I'm driving,

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and then I'm trying to get someplace on time, and

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on behold, the light turns red just when I get there. Okay,

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except I don't know if that ever happened to you,

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or it just happens to me as an unlucky kind

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of guy. You guys are all blessed, so that doesn't

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happen to you.

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I mean, we are blessed, but that does happen to us.

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Okay, Well that's the point. That's the point. It is

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a blessing. So when that happened, I work on reframing. Okay,

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how can I be grateful for this red light? Okay,

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you've been rushing, you see, you're all pumped up. Your

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nervous system is amped up. This red light? What is

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it inviting you? Oh, let's say, take a look at

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the sky. It's blue sky, or there's this tree over here,

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or it's time for me to take a breath and

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calm my nervous system. So something that seemed like, you know,

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not something to be grateful for. I can find gratitude.

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And that's an advanced practice, so it may not be

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available for everybody, but I suggest that when we think

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about our history and our past, we often can find

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things that you seem difficult, challenging, and then in hindsight,

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we discover that they actually worked on for the best,

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and that actually helps us cultivate this related quality of

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spiritual intelligence with trust, which is so foundational having that

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trust in ourselves and in life that we are okay,

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that things will be okay, and there will be okay

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at the end, and if it isn't okay, then it's

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not the end.

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That's the line from a movie, you know, right, that.

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Was that the universe is actually working for us and

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not doing things to us. So then let's transition into purpose,

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which I'm really interested in because sometimes you may think

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that you know you're pos but then all of a

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sudden the rugs pulled out from under you, or some

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people don't even have an idea what their purpose actually is, Karen,

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So how does someone find their purpose?

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Okay, so let's break it down. I like the fact

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that you said that you think you know your purpose

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and then the rug gets pulled out from under you,

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so which to me highlights the fact that you know

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our purpose in different phases of life may change. I mean,

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when I'm in kindergarten, my purpose is to play and

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break as many toys as I can so I can.

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Full disclosure that's still my purpose. So just so we're clear.

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Okay, good, So I get it. I get it. But

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then you know, I graduate to college and my purposes,

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you know, to get drunk and get laid or whatever

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it is.

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Oh wait, wait, don't know that's my purpose right here?

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Well yo, by womb, my mom watches.

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This, so you can erase me. My point is that

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you know, and then you know, in the Hindu tradition

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they talk about these life stages in cycles. So then

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we are in our twenties and thirties and we're working

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on our career and building family, et cetera, and we

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moved to our forties and fifties, and then our purpose

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often becomes a lot more spiritual growth, et cetera. Not

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that we can't start earlier. So I think it's okay

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to think of our life as you know, evolutionarily, and

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as Jung said, the way we live the morning is

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not the way we want to live the afternoon of

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our lives. The day, the day's energy and the sun

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in the morning is different than in the afternoon, and

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then it calls for different activities. So I'm just trying

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to highlight that what felt like purposeful at one stage

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in life, like for me, was to build a company

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as an entrepreneur, to build an organization based on a

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certain culture. It was my passion, it was my calling.

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I was fully in and then at some point I

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was like, Okay, I've done being an entrepreneur and I've

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done that. I've been there, I've done that. I'm ready

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to do And then I discovered this other thing, which

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is I want to research spiritual intelligence. I want to

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help people do healing, etc. So I've gone through different

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phases in life and what seemed like my purpose has

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evolved and changed. But in every stage, you know, so

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going back to them, how do we find it? We

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think about what are unique gifts and talents and and

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and powers that So for you, it's like being funny

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and being curious, and oh you don't think that's funny.

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Okay, I'll give you curious, but I don't think I'm funny.

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You know, I think I think Karen is a funny one.

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Karen is the funny one. Okay, the two of you

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are are funny as a couple.

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So you know, I was just saying that, I was

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just gonna say that she stealed my jokes all the time.

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But that's makes such a good point about people's purpose evolving.

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So our daughter is now going to high school and I,

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for the most part stay at home after I've had

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her to do the mom thing, to take care of her,

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always be there. She needed Nissa. Now she doesn't really

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need me like that anymore. And I feel totally bossed.

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And so that I am. I was struggling with trying

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to figure out what the heck I'm supposed to do now.

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Kepting men a physician.

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So there's some grief perhaps going on, Yeah, absolutely, which

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is like I had this role, I had this purpose,

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and now it's gone. I'm feeling a loss. Well, that

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loss is an invitation to discover a new thing. Like

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that door is closing and then a new door is

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opening and you don't know what it is yet, and

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that gives you a chance to practice trust and be

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in curiosity until you discover what your purpose might be.

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And then so when we think about what are my

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unique talents? So I'm curious, I am a good listener

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or whatever it is, So how can I apply that?

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Because when we apply the gifts that life has given us,

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then we're actualizing our potential. Then we feel fulfilled. Naturally

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when we're applying our gifts and we feel fulfilled, we're

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going to be good at it, which further gives us

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a sense of joy and satisfaction and mastery. And then

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when we use that to contribute to others, then our

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life has meaning and through that contribution to others, we

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feel connected. So we become embedded into the web of life.

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And one of the major issues that we're facing as

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a society is this loneliness epidemic and this connection. And

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so when we know our gifts and we can use

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them and we actualize them and use them to contribute

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to others, then we are remembering ourselves. We become members

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in the web of life, and that gives us a

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sense of belonging. Just like every cell in the human

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body is embedded into an organ. It has its unique

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individual identity, right, it has a cell membrane, it has

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to keep itself safe, it has its own immune system,

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et cetera. But it knows that I am part of

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the thyroid or I'm part of the liver, and I

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am participating in this fun and my well being it

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depends not only on my individual cell, but how I

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my organist functioning and how this whole organism is functioning.

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And so when we understand our purpose and how we

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contribute to the greater whole, it gives us a sense

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of belonging and that further fuels our sense of well being. Now,

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what is interesting, just staying on this analogy of the

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human cell, is that all the human cells in your

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body and my body come out of the same DNA,

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come out of the same stem cell. So somehow the

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intelligence of the overall organism is helping it differentiate and say, no,

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you coming off the same DNA stem cells as Oh,

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no you're going to be a cell in the retina

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of the eye. No you're going to be a neuron.

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No you're going to be a piece of hair. And

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but they're all important. They're all important, and we're all

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made in the image and likeness of the divine if

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I were to go there, So we're coming off some

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common thing, but we differentiated.

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So and the trick is to find what cell you are.

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Because there's a lot of talk about spiritual weakenings and

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everyone's going this, this is the right path, this is it,

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this is the way to go. But if we are

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all a different cell, like, I'm a hairshell and you're right.

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Right, I I was gonna choose hair.

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Different purpose best because of my wonderful shair line. Right,

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we have a different your eye, the eye has different

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purpose in the hair. Such is a spiritual band as well, right,

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I would assume.

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Yeah, so there is no one path for everyone, and

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thank God that makes life more interesting. You go into

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the forest and there are many, many life forms, and

456
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:59.920
they all are part of the ecology, and so they

457
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.759
all feed each other, and the leaf that decomposes, you know,

458
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:08.799
forms the foundation for the next sprout. And so we

459
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:12.640
don't know how it's all, but we are we are differentiator.

460
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:15.000
I'm glad you guys figured out who's the hair and

461
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:16.039
who's the heart.

462
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:19.039
So, yeah, but I don't I don't want anyone to

463
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.279
eat me. I don't know. I don't want to go

464
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:24.759
in the forest. You've done a lot of research into

465
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:29.400
a lot of different spiritual practices. Can you share what

466
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:33.720
are two studies or insights that show how these practices

467
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:37.559
act and change as whether mentally or spiritually or even physical.

468
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.920
Well, yeah, one of my favorite practices is practice from

469
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.680
Buddhism that is called tongue len which is giving and receiving.

470
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:51.759
It has to do with compassion. So you know, one

471
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:54.640
of the domains I work on. You mentioned my coaching

472
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:58.799
CEOs and multi billion dollar companies. I do enjoy doing that.

473
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.440
But the other thing I love to do is do

474
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:04.000
couples counseling. And I'm not trying to do any couples

475
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:05.400
counseling here with you, guys.

476
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:09.039
Ah, come down now.

477
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:15.640
But oftentimes, you know, couples get stuck into something and whatever,

478
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:19.079
and they feel the pain for themselves. And one of

479
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.680
the ways I like to shift the energy is to

480
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.359
do this practice of tong len, where you take the

481
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:28.519
suffering of others you inhale it in, and then you

482
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:33.119
exhale out kindness and compassion. And you know, I don't

483
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.319
know if you guys have ever done that, but you might.

484
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:37.119
You know, I think we all.

485
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:40.240
I'm constantly breathing in care and suffering.

486
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.279
She makes sure it, yeah, and you and you and

487
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:48.680
you exhale out loving kindness, right, yes, exactly. And so

488
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.960
when people do that, our heart's capacity expands and it

489
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.400
just feels good. I mean, I know, it's paradoxical. I

490
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.440
think I have enough of my own suffering. Why why

491
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:02.440
would I anybody want to take on someone else's suffering

492
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.640
to add to my own. Well, this is the amazing

493
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:10.599
alchemy of our heart's capacity, is to take in suffering

494
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.359
and then turn it into gold, turn it into compassion,

495
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.400
turn it into love. So that's a practice I adopted

496
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.839
from Buddhism, and that I do all the time. I

497
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:27.240
teach to my clients, whether it's in business where you know,

498
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.720
I work routinely with cels and they go through ups

499
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.720
and downs in the economic cyclone, they have to implement

500
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.000
a very painful layoff for people they hired, et cetera.

501
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.640
And then they go into this mindset, why is this

502
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.519
happening to me? And what have you? And and so

503
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.480
one of the things is always good is to remember, Okay, well,

504
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.039
can you think of other people going through the same challenge,

505
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:54.359
whatever it might be, whether it's a it's a job loss,

506
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.160
being laid off, going through a divorce, going through a

507
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:02.000
medical diagnosis. No, they're They're hundreds or not millions of

508
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:06.000
people going through the same problem. So imagine those people

509
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:09.039
in front of you along with you, and inhale their

510
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:13.200
suffering and then exhale out compassion to them. And then

511
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.039
all of a sudden you feel. It does two things,

512
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:19.039
is like I belong I'm not alone in this suffering,

513
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.359
and I use my heart's capacity to take suffering and

514
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:27.880
transform it into the gold of loving kindness and compassion.

515
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:31.359
So it's not exactly like misery loves company, but kind

516
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:32.799
of kind.

517
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.400
I mean, we want to know that I'm not the

518
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:41.039
only screwed up guy who who's got this problem, so

519
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.640
it normalizes it. It's good to know that you know

520
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.720
the problem I'm having. I'm not that unique and special.

521
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.720
I mean, we have enough things that feed our narcissism

522
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.440
and all the ways we're unique and special. But at

523
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.599
least my suffering is not that unique and special. I

524
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.000
know some people feed their narcissism. I am the most

525
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.920
miserable person that ever lived, and you know some people

526
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.880
are like, I'm the smartest person that ever lived. But

527
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:15.240
both are really forms of narcissism that makes us uniquely special.

528
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.759
And you feel seen, you feel seen, right, I.

529
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.039
Feel them being shot at from all directions.

530
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.039
So I have a questiononality to derail you. But you

531
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.440
have done all of this research, You've had all these interviews,

532
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:32.039
You've learned so much. Kit, what was one of the

533
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.599
lessons or maybe surprises that you learned something that they

534
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:37.720
didn't expect to learn about this research.

535
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:39.519
We need to take a quick pause, but would be

536
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:46.319
right back right after these messages and now back to

537
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:46.759
the show.

538
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.599
Well, I mentioned something that was surprising is to discover

539
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.519
that the virtues and the qualities that these people across

540
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.720
all the traditions cultivate was unique. I did not expect that.

541
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:03.839
You know, you've got all these religious wars and which

542
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:09.039
path is better and you know the Yeah, I won't

543
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.599
get into the politics of all of this which is

544
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.680
going on in the world right now, but you know

545
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.359
what was really heartening to me is to find our

546
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.240
shared humanity across all these traditions and that these people

547
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:27.079
that are wives that have been practicing and embodying and

548
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:31.000
nominated by their peers, really when it comes down to it,

549
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:35.799
our speaking of cultivating the same human virtues. And I

550
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.680
think to me that was super exciting and hopeful that

551
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.440
if we could focus on, like right now, there's so

552
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:47.200
much polarization in this country and politically et cetera, but

553
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.400
when you think about it, underneath it all, we all

554
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:54.920
want peace and love in our lives. We might you know,

555
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.400
think about the best way to get there is a

556
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.680
little different and so on. So to me, that was

557
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:08.119
really exciting to find the commonality, the shared humanity across

558
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.640
these different wisdom traditions.

559
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:15.839
Well, it's someone listening or watching this today, if you

560
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:20.759
wanted them to walk away with one thing about spiritually

561
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.640
and spiritual intelligence, what would you want to make sure

562
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.440
that that person gets well?

563
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.400
I think I would say one or two things. One is,

564
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.319
you know, human cognitive intelligence IQ has been tremendous in

565
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:39.039
advancing humanity. It's landed us on the moon. We split

566
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:42.240
the ATAM, we deciphered the genome. Now we have AI,

567
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.640
which was smarter than most of us, at least me.

568
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.759
I don't know about you guys. You do you guys

569
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:52.920
look maybe smarter than AI. But but you know, so

570
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:56.400
we have all of that, and then we have and

571
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.680
we have emotional intelligence we have discovered. You know, up

572
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:03.279
until nineteen ninety when the first academic paper on emotional

573
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:06.319
intelligence came out, we used to think that emotion and

574
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:09.280
reason are in opposition. I'd say to you, do you

575
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.119
know people in your life that are emotional? And you

576
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.280
might think of some people, but that wouldn't necessarily be

577
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:20.039
a compliment. You know, they're prone for drama and whatever.

578
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.519
But if I say to you, do you have people

579
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:26.280
in your life that are emotionally intelligent, I'm like, oh,

580
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:30.280
you know, they're applying emotion in an intelligent way. So

581
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:35.519
emotion and someone could be emotional and reasonable. It doesn't

582
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.159
mean like they're out of control. Now, we have a

583
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:42.880
similar dichotomy between spiritual and practical. We think that spiritual

584
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.760
is like some kind of woo woo and it's esoteric

585
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:51.639
and you know, whatever beliefs you might have. So the

586
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.719
point is, though, that spiritual intelligence kind of bridges that

587
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:59.440
gap between the spiritual and the practical and spiritually intelligent.

588
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:04.119
Spiritual intelligence is not the same as spiritual belief Whether

589
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:08.400
you believe in God or reincarnation or whatever time travel

590
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.159
that you believe in, those are spiritual beliefs. You can

591
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.440
also have spiritual experiences. I could be meditating and my

592
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:19.719
egos dissolved, and or I'm walking in the forest and

593
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:24.159
I'm one with nature and whatever. Those are important spiritual experiences.

594
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:29.599
But spiritual intelligence is the ability to embody these qualities

595
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:34.519
and wisdom, timeless wisdom in daily life. Now, so that's

596
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:36.880
one key thing I want people to get is that

597
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:41.800
spiritual intelligence is very practical, and the research shows that

598
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:45.199
people with greater spiritual intelligence are more effective leaders, they

599
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:49.400
produce better financial results, they're happier, they're more fulfilled, they

600
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:53.039
are more resilient, they have better quality relationships, they're more

601
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.000
productive individually and as groups, et cetera. And I think

602
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:02.039
it's the antidote that we needed right now because despite

603
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.079
cognitive intelligence and emotional intelligence, the world looks like a mess,

604
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:12.440
you know, I mean, you have soaring anxiety, depression rates, loneliness,

605
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:19.000
substance abuse, addictions, suicide rates, wars, political polarization, and I

606
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.679
think the missing ingredients the third leg on the stool

607
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.119
of cognitive intelligence emotional intelligence is a spiritual intelligence. And

608
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.119
I think it's particularly important right now in the age

609
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.880
of AI, where you know, some of the things that

610
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:40.519
kind of differentiated us are going to get automated, and

611
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:42.840
you know AI is going to do for us. So

612
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:47.239
what's going to keep us as humans feeling like we

613
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.840
have worth and value on this planet is going to

614
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:52.440
be our spiritual intelligence.

615
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:54.239
Oh, I was gonna say lots of beer.

616
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:55.480
What's that?

617
00:36:56.199 --> 00:37:00.000
I was going to say, lots of beer?

618
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:03.079
Yeah, I mean that's why it's called spirits. You know,

619
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:06.559
when you don't have spiritual intelligence. When you don't have

620
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:08.440
spiritual intelligence, you need spirits.

621
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.239
Oh so it's a knowledge of what kind of like

622
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:17.360
woodbourbon differentiated between whiskey differentiat. That's it's intelligent spirit intelligence.

623
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:19.920
I get it. There, you get it. Okay, yeah again,

624
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:28.320
she's so we from time time we have some guests

625
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:31.760
that we asked to ask the really deep curveball questions.

626
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:34.119
Would you be open to do some kind of cookie

627
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:35.639
weird curball questions?

628
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.320
Well, your normal cookie. Let me just get it straight,

629
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:41.239
because so, I mean, I might be okay with one,

630
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:43.400
but I don't know if it's a combo of both.

631
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.079
Okay, we could choose, right, we can do.

632
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:47.239
I got very serious.

633
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:49.079
I've gotta love me too. I've got a list of

634
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:53.480
cookie curveballs, cookie care level, and in a list of

635
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.960
deep curveballs. So which one would you like? Cookie or deep?

636
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.440
I'm gonna trust you. I'm going to the spiritual intelligence.

637
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:05.079
I'm going to trust your judgment for the betterment of

638
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.920
the greater whole, for your audience, for you guys, and

639
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:09.280
for me.

640
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:12.280
Good God, he's giving me all the credit. That's a

641
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:17.679
kookie curveles. Okay, you're given Karen, choose this one. Okay,

642
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:22.280
you're given one mystical power for twenty four hours. It's telepathy,

643
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.480
time bending, instant inter piece for anyone you touch. Which

644
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:26.880
one do you choose? And why?

645
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:31.280
Out of those three or any any any any spiritual power,

646
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:37.280
any spiritual Yes, well, my spiritual power would be to

647
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:38.519
bring in world peace.

648
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:39.159
Right now.

649
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:41.199
I knew you were going to say that.

650
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:46.000
Really, world piece, that's your spiritual power, telepathy. You read

651
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:50.079
his mind totally ex Well, that's a that's a great answer. Actually,

652
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.239
I wish I had thought it. All right, I'm gonna

653
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.639
go a deep curve box, and I'm curious for your answer.

654
00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:59.400
What do you now know that you think your soul

655
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.360
was trying to your entire life, but you only just

656
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:03.199
now understand.

657
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:17.360
Hmm. Everything is an expression of the one divine reality

658
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:23.760
that we're a part of, including you and you and

659
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:27.920
me and you listening. Now, if we should take that in,

660
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:29.880
I think that would be pretty amazing.

661
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.800
Yeah, very amazing action. I like to deep. Okay, if

662
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:41.159
everything you've ever taught about spiritual childes suddenly vanished, but

663
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.480
you could whisper one sentence into the heart of every human.

664
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:45.280
What would it be.

665
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:58.159
One sentence into the heart of rehuman? You are love

666
00:39:58.320 --> 00:39:59.239
loving itself.

667
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:04.639
These are good questions.

668
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:09.039
What's your sentence was skin and receive love?

669
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:14.679
When, oh, that's a good sentence to Mmm, I'm receiving

670
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:15.760
right now?

671
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:20.159
All right? So just prodded a question. A lot of

672
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:23.920
people believe that in order to be spiritual intelligent, or

673
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:28.639
to to be enlightened, you have to go through suffering.

674
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.599
Is that a true statement? Is someone who is someone

675
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.360
who never suffers in their life, can they actually be

676
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:35.639
spiritually intelligent?

677
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:37.960
I don't know. I mean to tell you the truth,

678
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.760
I haven't met such I mean, the way I understand

679
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:44.480
life is that pain and suffering is one of our

680
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:50.559
greatest teachers. And without some suffering and understanding, it's hard

681
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:56.199
to develop the compassion and empathy that we need for

682
00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:01.920
ourselves and others. So it's like, know, whoever designed the

683
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.440
human body gave us pain? Now, would you want to

684
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:10.400
live a life without pain? I mean, I think we

685
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.400
Pain is painful if you believe it or not. Pain

686
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:15.880
is painful if you haven't.

687
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:17.239
I found that to be true.

688
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:19.440
You've found that out to be true. Yeah, But people

689
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:24.199
who don't experience pain. You know, are are pretty dangerous

690
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:25.599
to themselves and others.

691
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:28.519
So absolutely, But you know, if I were.

692
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:32.239
To blame God for a moment, and you know, maybe,

693
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:35.239
I mean people asked this question, if God was all

694
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.000
powerful and alling, why and all loving? Why is it

695
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.320
that we have so much suffering? Et cetera. There are

696
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:46.239
many philosophical questions. But but you know, God, in their

697
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.119
infinite wisdom, somehow gave us suffering and pain. And who

698
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.119
am I to second guess God? You know?

699
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:59.360
I mean, yeah, there was a stay on Broadway or

700
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.400
off our way else living in New York comes to mind.

701
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:04.199
It was that they had a commercial all the time.

702
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.480
The show is called Your Arms Too Short to Box

703
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.280
with God. That just reminded me to know when a

704
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:15.000
box with God? Because okay, this is fun.

705
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:16.840
We having fun?

706
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.920
Yet yeah I'm having I'm.

707
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:24.440
Just picture in a boxing Oh yes done.

708
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:25.840
Is it?

709
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.920
Is there such a thing as too much spiritual growth?

710
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:36.960
I don't think so. They're spiritual bypassing. I wouldn't want

711
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.280
to be doing spiritual bypassing, but real spiritual girls, I

712
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:41.400
don't think that's too much.

713
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:44.239
Can you can you define that spiritual bypassing?

714
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:48.679
Well? I mean, it's not a term I use, I invented.

715
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:51.880
I think John Well would point it if I'm not mistaken.

716
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:52.880
I did.

717
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:54.719
A lot of people are talking are throwing around that

718
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:56.119
term spiritual bypassing.

719
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:00.400
Well, spiritual bypassing is actually not spiritual. It's like using

720
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:06.400
spiritual concepts to avoid dealing with reality. So you know,

721
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:12.159
it's it's uh yeah, So I think that's not very

722
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:16.599
spiritual intelligent because you know, if I'm going through a

723
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.639
pain or a loss and just somehow being pollyannish about it,

724
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.440
then I'm not really feeling. I'm not going to learn,

725
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:27.119
I'm not going to derive the nutrition that is embedded

726
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:33.519
into that difficulty. So we don't want to pollyannish, you know,

727
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.639
put lipstick on a pig, so to speak.

728
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.039
Yes, And I love how you said that you don't

729
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:45.199
get the NUTRITI behind that. Back to that incidence, because

730
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.320
you're right, it's this show, this person that you're seeing

731
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:51.840
right now on the camera, that you're listening to on

732
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:55.559
the microphone, would not exist were it not for a

733
00:43:55.599 --> 00:44:00.199
severe amount of pain that not only did I go through,

734
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:03.199
right put a lot of people through. So we all

735
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:06.400
have grown from these experiences and you're right. It's really

736
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:10.000
important when you're going through something to feel it, to

737
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.400
allow yourself to feel it and process it, because it's

738
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:18.199
when we like very deep down inside of us. Oh never,

739
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:21.000
bro No, fine, you know it might be a bonding

740
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.599
python and the whole grail of the night. His arm

741
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:26.039
gets cut off and goes, oh, fight you with the

742
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:27.800
one arm, and he gets the other. Well, I'll kick

743
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.599
you to death and you get both lads cut off

744
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.760
and all bite comeing home. But you did that right? No?

745
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.519
You ow, my arm is gone, rights to say, and

746
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.599
then you have a chance of fighting the guy again.

747
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:39.920
But I think it's it's important to process it. And

748
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.719
I'm glad you brought it up because it's it's easy

749
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:45.079
to distress.

750
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:46.639
Well, and I think that's a processing It makes the

751
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:50.239
pain the lesson effect, not just you, but it won't

752
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.920
around you because then you also will understand more maybe

753
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:55.840
what they're going through, and len that compassion and that

754
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:57.719
for the next person and they'll learn it too and

755
00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.000
it kind of will spread that way.

756
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:03.440
Right We Actually people are talking now in spirituality. Personal

757
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:08.039
spirituality actually can affect society as a whole. Do you

758
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:10.599
agree with that? And so what does that mean exactly,

759
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:12.440
because I have no idea what I just said.

760
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.639
Well, I do know that there's scientific research that shows

761
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:20.599
that in cities where there's a critical massive people that meditate,

762
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.480
that crime rates go down, so you know, and we

763
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.119
do know that people who live near large bodies of

764
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:33.000
water or bodies of water also derive some kind of

765
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:39.360
energetic benefit from it, and controlling for everything, crime rates

766
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:43.400
and go down and well being goes up. So yeah,

767
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.239
we have believe it or not. They tell us that

768
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.159
we are all connected. We're all you know, vibrations of

769
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:58.880
light and frequency and how those frequencies you know, get

770
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:03.079
propagated through that medium. But we do know that for example,

771
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:06.400
right now, the two of you I'm betting or sitting

772
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:10.480
within six feet of each other, and science tells us

773
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:16.400
that our heart produces an electromagnetic field that affects those

774
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:19.519
that are in our vicinity. So your hearts right now

775
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.280
are in some kind of interaction or feedback loop that

776
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:29.760
affects each other. So yeah, I mean, so I see,

777
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.400
I see the sweetness, I see the love between the

778
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:36.840
two of you and and the radiance. So that's beautiful.

779
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.400
So it is real. We also know that we have

780
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.559
this thing called mirror neurons, and we also don't know

781
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:46.679
how that works. But when two people are watching each other,

782
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:49.880
it's even monkeys. You know, one monkey sees another monkey

783
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:56.000
eating the banana, and the brain regions of banana eating

784
00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:01.039
are lighting up, and this other monkey. Now the I

785
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:04.880
didn't know that everyone you like bananas. I mean, I

786
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.559
think I don't know for sure. I can't vouch for it,

787
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:13.360
but I suspect that works for Keiwilliam strawberries too about

788
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:19.000
So yeah, that's pretty fruity. Yeah, but yeah, but you know,

789
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:23.039
we skipped something that you said that I was curious about.

790
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:24.840
And I don't know if you want to go into it,

791
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.719
but you spoke about the pain you've experienced and how

792
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:31.039
it made you who you are, and I just kind of, oh,

793
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.400
I was wondering, like, what what is that? Would you

794
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:36.519
be willing to say a few words?

795
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.960
Yeah, longtime listeners know all about it to talk about

796
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:41.159
it on the show a lot that I went to

797
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:45.000
an existential crisis when I during COVID as we were

798
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:47.760
as we were shutting down, I was forced to look

799
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.880
at myself when we realized I was not that cool

800
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.400
guy I thought it was. I was very judgmental, very angry.

801
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:58.400
I was not a good guy. I was under the

802
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.719
impression though it was my entire life, and all of

803
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.320
a sudden, the house of cards came tumbling down and

804
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:10.079
I realized, Holy crap, I've I've ruined everything. I almost

805
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:14.239
lost everything. And if I hadn't gone through that crisis

806
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:17.119
and come out from the on the other side of it,

807
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:19.880
I do believe I wouldn't be hearing.

808
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:24.480
Yeah, so you that was crisis was an opportunity. It

809
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:28.000
was a painful thing, but you came out stronger. You know,

810
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:32.480
in Chinese character the word for crisis an opportunity, or

811
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.960
the symbols the saint so crisis an opportunity.

812
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:41.119
Wow, you know, I'd love that, because the more we

813
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:43.119
talk to people in the show, the more we learn,

814
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:46.320
We go on classes, and we we start really diving

815
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.239
into this stuff. It really is that that statement we

816
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:53.199
said earlier about the universe always working in our favor,

817
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:58.480
not doing things to us. It is truly astounding when

818
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:03.639
you raise your person back to enough to understand that

819
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:05.519
that that this is true, that this is a thing,

820
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.920
That that car that pulls up in front of you

821
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:12.880
and slams to a stop and makes you late for work.

822
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.760
Why it just saved you from our sixteen car pile

823
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.320
up somewhere in the highway, right, so you just don't know.

824
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.079
So I love that, and I think I'm going to

825
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:24.760
see if I can get that somebole because I want to.

826
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:27.480
I have I have these sticking out over the place

827
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:31.679
of little things that helped me to remind myself of

828
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:34.320
my spirituality, things like.

829
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:38.440
Stup on the paper puffs.

830
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:42.320
Right, it's amazing thing. It says, your attachments are the

831
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.400
source of all your problems, right so, and and it's

832
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:45.920
it's funny.

833
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.280
We got to let you attached to the to the attachers,

834
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:53.239
and it is attached right now, attached, it's non attached,

835
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.760
non detachable now because it's it's my way of expressing

836
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:00.639
my attachments onto that so that.

837
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.360
I love them. Yeah, I love it.

838
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:06.159
But we actually we got a message from one of

839
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.920
our listeners who who talked to us about that that

840
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:12.320
she always assumed that attachments in that saying meant like

841
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:16.079
physical things. But no, it's it's your attachment to being, right,

842
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:19.679
It's your attachment to winning, it's your attachment to all

843
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.320
these things emotionally you think you have to be when

844
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:27.400
in essence. If you just chill yeah, and you really

845
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:31.920
pay attention to what's important, you find those things that

846
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:32.760
big a deal.

847
00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:35.039
It can be really hard to strip on the lighting.

848
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:36.239
Oh then there you are naked.

849
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.800
Absolutely absolutely, But I think that's what we have to

850
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:40.719
get to get to be. We have to allow ourselves

851
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.880
to face ourselves naked in the mirror and say, be

852
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:47.440
okay with it, right and be okay?

853
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:50.320
And what about our attachment to letting go of all

854
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:54.079
our attachments? Is that an attachment that's.

855
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.519
The biggest one. Actually, that's the biggest one, right, because

856
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.119
it's it's it's what makes us who we are. That

857
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.400
our attachments are what we feel is our identity.

858
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:03.960
So just chill out. I think that your best part

859
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.000
was like, okay till you know.

860
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.719
Chill ow. That's that's give me the title of the show,

861
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:09.599
chill out.

862
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.559
We're talking about that recently, about how you know, you

863
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:14.679
think these things that have happened, and you know they

864
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:16.639
have effected your life and how you've grown up and

865
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:19.039
developed and it's my childhood and I just got to

866
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:20.639
get rid of it. And you focus on get rid

867
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:22.960
of it, or you can look at it like a friend,

868
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:25.960
be like Okay, you protected me. What I need to do?

869
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:28.280
I don't really need to do that much, right, So.

870
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:30.920
See, I see it more like a run of the ladder.

871
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:33.599
Like you recognize that you put it in place, and

872
00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:36.119
you step on it to move yourself forward, to propel

873
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:39.199
yourself upwards. Right, it becomes a part of your ladder.

874
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.960
Way more welcoming your ways? What more welcome? I'm like,

875
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:47.159
thank you for protecting me.

876
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:48.719
Yes, well you can think it when you're putting it

877
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:52.400
down and step one you are feeling thank you, just

878
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:56.679
kicking the face and you are not particular.

879
00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.480
Yeah, it sounds like one of you is higher up

880
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:00.199
on the line.

881
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.480
Or I wonder which one that is the one that

882
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:05.079
actually has that.

883
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:09.960
I'm staring trouble here aroundside you are.

884
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:13.320
We love you for it, You love me for it?

885
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:14.000
Oh my god.

886
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.800
One last question before we call it a day, because

887
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:19.559
I'm really curious what your answer is. Can meet to

888
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:25.039
this one your estimate? What's the most inconvenient truth about

889
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:28.480
personal growth that people don't want to hear? Absolutely neat

890
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:29.480
mm hmm.

891
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:38.639
The inconvenient truth about personal growth? Well, it's an endless

892
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:41.119
journey and you can never get to the top of

893
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:41.679
the mountain.

894
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:50.159
There's no things answer. That's so true.

895
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.199
So you're never you're never gonna get there, but you

896
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:57.239
might as well enjoy the journey.

897
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.840
That's the trick, right, And it's it's it's the journey,

898
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.440
not the destiny, at the scenery that you've enjoy your life,

899
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:08.719
be in the moment and appreciate what you have. Now

900
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:11.199
we're going back to gratitude, right, yeah, sure.

901
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.679
But you are climbing up this mountain, you know, just

902
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.079
you know, so there's no there's you're never going to

903
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:19.920
get to the peak, but you know you're going to

904
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.280
enjoy the climbing, right right.

905
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.000
I love that. That's a perfect answer.

906
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:25.280
Right.

907
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:28.920
So if someone wants to take this spiritual assessment that

908
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.599
you have, what's how can someone do that? Word? Where

909
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:32.159
does someone go?

910
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:38.119
Well, the website is called Intelligency dot com. It's the

911
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:41.239
World that's a play on the word intelligence, but instead

912
00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:44.679
of CE at the end, it's SI. But because people

913
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:48.000
are not going to remember that, I recommend you go

914
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.800
to another website which might be easier to remember the

915
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:57.760
spelling of. It's called Awakening SI dot org. It's a

916
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:00.639
nonprofit that I run, and from there you can click

917
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:04.159
and it says, free assessments. Click here will take it

918
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:09.480
out of the website, So Awakening si dot org. You

919
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:11.719
can you can go there and from there you find

920
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:17.199
all the other stuff I do. And yeah, well we're.

921
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:19.320
Gonna add a direct link to that in our show notes.

922
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.159
Or if you are interesting team assessment, how you use

923
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:24.840
vote skepticmanization dot com go or U sees episode and

924
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:27.360
you'll see the neck directly laid in there, and it's

925
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:29.920
who want to get your book? Spiritually intelligent Leadership, which

926
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:31.639
we didn't even talk about with the Okay, let this

927
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:33.360
take take a moment and tell us what what is

928
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:36.960
what is your book so beautifully titled have to do

929
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:43.280
with spiritual intelligence? Well everything, I'm just setting him up.

930
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:44.239
I'm just setting him up.

931
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:49.519
You are so great, are so gracious? So yeah, it

932
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.679
looks at each of these qualities, the spiritual intelligence, and

933
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:56.599
how it applies in leadership and how it helps us

934
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.880
get inspired, because you know, leadership and inspira first and

935
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.079
foremost as an inside job. You can't lead or inspire

936
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:07.559
anybody else until when we lead and inspire ourselves. So

937
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:10.880
it looks at each of these qualities of spiritual intelligence.

938
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We talked about some of them with gratitude, purpose, service,

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you know, humility, et cetera. And there's a chapter that

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has a case study with a client, a CEO client

941
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that I had or a problem. They had a crisis

942
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in their life and how working and cultivating that quality

943
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:33.800
in our sessions was really the solution to their problem.

944
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So it's very practical, it's not just theoretical. Their case

945
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studies and for each quality, there exercises that people do

946
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.559
that I guide people so that you can work on

947
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cultivating it. So again, you don't just read the theory

948
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of spiritual intelligence. You've got to go to the gym

949
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or to the forest or wherever you do your workout,

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and so you got to develop these muscle groups. So

951
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the book is built around these exercises and case study.

952
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So it brings it down to Earth, brings Heven down

953
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to earth Twinget.

954
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That mandatory reading for every government official everywhere in this country.

955
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:12.039
Yeah, Don Robert, I was going to ask, is the

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sequel for those of us that don't like to work

957
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out the sequel?

958
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Yeah, I mean you just visualize, you can just our exercises.

959
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:29.119
You know, there's research that visualizing you know, doing your

960
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golf stroke or shooting hoops in basketball improves their game.

961
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:38.320
So I'm not making this shut up. I mean it's so.

962
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:42.000
I'm going to visualize lifting fifteen hundred and not well,

963
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.519
lose all these weights, all this weight, all right, And

964
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:47.360
if someone wants to work with you, that they can,

965
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:49.519
they can reach you through that website.

966
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:55.280
Of that's my contact information. That's true, and particularly these days,

967
00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:58.840
interested in and keen on working with couples who want

968
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:04.280
to develop not just spiritually intelligent relationships and to ignite

969
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:08.840
and grow and deepen their passionate sacred love. So yeah,

970
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.239
if anybody is interested in that, I'm also doing a

971
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:15.599
study right now with couples, and so there's an assessment

972
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:18.519
that people could take as part couples and they get

973
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:23.639
a report about strength in their relationship and issues. And

974
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:27.840
it's looking at spiritual intelligence, emotional intelligence, and attachment style.

975
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.800
So you don't want to know. Yeah, yeah, that much sious,

976
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.199
But might be tough to find clienc these days, right,

977
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.800
and not a lot of guys are are are kind

978
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.639
of walking on the spiritual intelligence path. Just yeah, right,

979
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.519
the more and more are waking up, yeah, no, more,

980
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:46.920
definitely more and more waking up.

981
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:50.719
But is it, particularly guys you think are hard or

982
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I mean, is.

983
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.320
The usually guys are like not spiritually into it.

984
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:58.679
I know, I know you and I might be the exceptions.

985
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:05.000
Well, yes we are. We're the exception.

986
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:09.960
And we're so humble too, right, Oh, yes, I know,

987
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:12.679
we're really I score, I'm one of the most humble

988
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:18.440
people I know, you know, But I mean, fortunately I

989
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.000
have more clients than I usually need, so it hasn't

990
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and actually most of my clients believe it or not.

991
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:30.320
Our men, but you know, there's hope for for for mankind,

992
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:34.000
you know. And there's the Mankind Project, you know. Also

993
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.599
it's it's it's the kind of men we need, which

994
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:42.039
are mankind kind, more kind man kind man But there

995
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.239
are still in our power and our strengths, So you know,

996
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:50.119
we're not We're not just you know, it's not like

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00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.880
this toxic masculinity and and whatever, which is why I

998
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:58.199
I one of my nonprofits was True Masculinity, and I

999
00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:02.199
did a whole conference on Jenner Engendering Love, which was

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a play on gender. So we need to we need

1001
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.400
to understand how these energies is the masculine and feminine

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00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.440
play in all of us. And you know, whether we're

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identify as male or female or non binary or whatever.

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00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:21.880
But these energies are, you know, the source of life,

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00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.800
and they come together physically and spiritually. It brings our

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00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.119
wholeness and brings life. So anyway, I know we're kind

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00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:31.719
of joking around, getting off topic, but it is about

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inner wholeness, which is one of the qualities of spiritual intelligence,

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is the ability to go beyond polarities. So we can

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00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:43.199
embrace and embody the feminine and masculine in all of us,

1011
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:46.280
whether we're men or women. We can go beyond paradox,

1012
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:51.079
beyond either or sinking to a both. And and I

1013
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:53.960
think that's important. So we could be compassionate, we could

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00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.480
be fierce. We need to know when to be fears

1015
00:59:56.559 --> 01:00:00.239
and when to be compassionate, when to be kind. It's

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not kind to be kind all the time without being fierce.

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Right now, and you have to live not that is yo. See,

1018
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:12.559
you are a beautiful soul. It's such a wonderful conversation

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01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.679
you've had with you. Well, really appreciate you coming on

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and so much fun. Yeah, and thanks for playing along

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01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.719
with us. We you know, we we know we sometimes

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01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:23.400
push some buttons, but we're grateful that you played a

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lot with us.

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Will we hope I didn't push your buttons and you know, not.

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At all, not at all. We love we love these

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01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:34.119
types of conversations absolutely, all right. Well, if you are

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01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:38.480
interested in working with Jose or getting the assessments or

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01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:41.039
reaching out getting his book, all you do is go

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01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:43.639
to Skeptic Inneposition dot com is actually page see the

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01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:45.199
links track that they did in there, so it's easy

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01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:48.280
for you to access all the about So it's been

1032
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:50.400
an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much being a show.

1033
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:53.840
Yeah, thank you both. You guys are a delight and

1034
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:55.519
it's so fun to play along with.

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01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:02.320
You either on will welcome back to the show. That

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you hit play on the Skeptic better positions that was

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really bad, let's do because they knew they play they

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01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:14.480
already playing Wow truly hotly. It was it just me

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sitting next to you massive lightly.

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You're just trying to Oh

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We look good though, only we need every little bit

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of help we can get
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Psychologist, CEO Coach, Author, SI Researcher

Yosi Amram Ph.D. is a licensed clinical psychologist, a CEO leadership coach, and a best-selling and award-winning author. Previously the founder and CEO of two companies he led through successful IPOs, Yosi has coached over 100 CEOs—many of whom have built companies with thousands of employees and revenues in the billions. In addition to working with individuals, Yosi works with couples interested in passionate, conscious relationships that serve their psycho-spiritual healing and growth. With engineering degrees from MIT, an MBA from Harvard, and a Ph.D. in Psychology from Sofia University, he is a pioneering researcher in the field of spiritual intelligence whose research has received over 1000 citations. As a C-Suite, Amazon, B&N best-selling author of the Nautilus Book Award Gold Medal-winning Spiritually Intelligent Leadership: How to Inspire by Being Inspired, Yosi is committed to awakening greater spiritual intelligence in himself and the world. Yosi is also the founder of several non-profits, including trueMASCULINITY.org, Engendering-Love.org, and AwakeningSI.org. For further information, please visit https://yosiamram.net and/or subscribe to his YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@awakeningspiritualintelligence