Can Technology Actually Expand Your Consciousness? - Jonathan Robinson Joins The Skeptic Metaphysicians LIVE!

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My name is Will and I'm Karen and unlike Mulder and Scully, we've embarked on a journey

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of discovery.

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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world.

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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.

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I even joined a Covenant Witches.

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And wait, you joined a Covenant?

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Yep, all in the interest of fighting something.

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Anything!

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That will prove that there's something beyond this physical,

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three-dimensional world we all live in.

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This is the Skeptic Medificions.

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We're thrilled to have you with us again if you're watching this live or whether you're watching this after the fact.

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We're excited to have you.

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Thank you for joining us on this foray.

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It's only a third one, third live one.

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I know.

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We're still kind of, you know, getting used to it.

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Getting our sea legs under us is what they used to say back in the olden days.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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Today we are actually well-companyed.

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So it's not just us.

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You're not going to have to listen to us for the entire hour.

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Sure.

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We actually have someone that's been on the show before.

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He is one of our favorite guests.

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He has sat with notable people like the Dali Lama and Mother Teresa, Wayne Dyer and Ramdas.

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He has actually learned an awful lot by interviewing over a hundred spiritual teachers.

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And every time he comes on the show, he blows our mind.

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So I'm thrilled to welcome back to the show today, Jonathan Robinson.

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Jonathan, it's a pleasure to see you again.

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How you been?

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I've been really good.

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Great to be here again.

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Yeah.

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We're really excited to have you, especially because today we're going to be talking about all the gadgets and doodads and cool stuff that there is out there now for expansion of consciousness, right?

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There's gadgets.

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There's gadgets.

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There's gadgets as doodads and stuff.

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Yeah, I have about 50 of them at my home.

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It's like a museum of all the new gadgets for affecting consciousness.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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I can't wait to dive into it because on the list of you sent me, I read the first thing and I went, that's a cool topic.

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And I read the second thing and went, oh, wait, that's, oh, then with the third, oh, my, oh, okay.

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We're just going to talk about as many of them as we can in a time that is allied to us.

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So, Jonathan, what is happening in the field of consciousness that is exciting you right now?

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Well, every field nowadays is going through this acceleration, whether it be accounting, you know, or, or manufacturing because of AI.

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So, every field is going through that and consciousness is one of those.

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So, I have listed and we'll talk about any of these, but five areas where consciousness is going into new unexplored fields.

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It's kind of like Star Trek, you know, you don't know where it's going to go.

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So, one of those fields is gadgets. I've been collecting these gadgets for a long time. They've generally been pretty bad in, well, thanks for the candor, Jonathan.

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Yeah, you know, I have money, so I spend money on it. I use it once or twice and I go, that's a piece of crap.

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Yeah, but in the last year or two, they've gotten a lot better. So, I actually now use them pretty consistently and there's things from everything from how to help you to sleep better, to how to tap into bliss states through EEG feedback, to photo-biomodulation, to all kind of stuff that is now starting to get, you know, that's worth it.

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That makes meditation easy. So, is that what we're talking about specifically is gadgets to help you with meditation or is there other types of gadgets involved?

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Well, there's all kind, I mean, I'll show you a couple right now. This is called Moonbeam. You put in your hand while you're going to sleep and it expands.

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You probably can't see it but expands and contracts and you paste your breath to it.

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Now, what that does is it's a certain breath that is actually most conducive to sleep. So, for people who have a hard time sleeping, if you don't sleep well, it's hard to feel good.

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Yeah, so, you know, you just kind of hold this and you you breathe at the pace that it's expanding and contracting.

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This thing right here is called the Sensei. It's actually a necklace that goes where your chest is and it vibrates in a certain way that tends to open your heart.

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So, wow. Some of them are EEG bands that give you feedback and how your brain waves are. There's a helmet that puts red light into your brain that has been shown to help with cognitive impairment like dementia but it has a lot of health benefits.

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There's all kinds of stuff out there now that is kind of exciting. Yeah.

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So, I always have a degree in anthropology. So, I love, you know, the study of cultures and the evolution and all that.

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So, speaking of evolution, do you have or do you have a knowledge of any really kind of older gadgets like from back in the day that were just crazy that people created to try to help them get to that conscious level?

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Well, the simplest one was a talking stick. Have you ever used that in like a ceremony? You know, you make a stick and one person gets it and they talk from their heart and nobody interrupts. There's no feedback.

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And that was a way that ancient cultures would get really below the surface and invoke spirit.

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And that was a very powerful technology. Now we like the glittering electronic things but I've been to a lot of ceremonies where people have a stick like that and you see and hear stuff from them that you would never see and hear before.

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So, it's been amazing.

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Yeah. And then if someone gets on rule, you got some to hit with.

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Exactly. It's a double purpose. You're bang for your buck there.

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So, one of the things that you had in your hand, they were you call it a sense state. I remember there was a movie. No, TV, movie a TV show, TV show, while back it was done by the, by the creators of the matrix.

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Uh-huh.

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Wukowski brothers who became sisters, I think, but they it was called sense state and it was about a group of people from all over the world who would connect with each other.

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Yeah.

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And they were like soul mates or something on those signs that they would be able to connect with each other and take over each other's bodies to give them their skill sets or things like that.

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So is this something that's going to make me able to do that with other people because that'd be really cool.

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Well, not with this thing, but I think that show, which I think was called sense eight eight.

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Yes.

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Have machines now where you hook up like me, you and and Karen and you hear everybody's heartbeat and what happens is people's heartbeat tend to synchronize.

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And when your heartbeat synchronize or your breath synchronizes, you feel this strange type of connection.

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And actually, there's been studies shown that that can help with lepathy and things like that. So there's all kinds of of nifty things being invented now.

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I might be really good for a family.

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You know, that's so interesting because when I was little, our family used to send it, my sister and I, they would send us to Ecuador to go spend some time with my mother's family.

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We'd go every summer.

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And I remember being a little girl and Lane and pet trying to go to sleep and I would stop my breathing several different times and change it because I wanted to at some point think that I was breathing the same as my mother.

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Wow.

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And it's a thing.

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I didn't know it was a thing.

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I was like six.

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Where can someone buy such a magical item? Where can you get that stuff?

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That item you can't forget you yet, but you know, you can look up, sense eight or look up moon bird for the other two.

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Although, here's something that you can do that slow tech in one of my books that became a bestseller.

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I talked about how you can avoid all arguments.

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And this technique that involves spooning with your partner and then breathing together.

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And the combination of spooning, you know, where usually the man is in back the woman is in front and breathing together ends up feeling this great sense of connection.

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And even if you want to stay angry at your partner, what happens is you start to feel really connected and the anger goes away.

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Jay Leno thanked me on the tonight show for abing his marriage because he said that that actually saved his marriage.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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I've got another.

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There's two words that really help.

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I mean, it's like a magic.

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All you need is it's like you're it's like you're a world's most most important.

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Right.

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It's like the world's most powerful mantra, right?

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When you went to the to the story in our show.

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in our show. I know two words that will immediately diffuse every situation and that is, yes, dear.

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- Yes dear or yes dear. - I'm wrong.

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- I was wrong, yeah. I mean, yeah.

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- Yeah because it was kinda hard to get in the mood to spoon with someone when you're mad

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at them. It's more like, don't touch me.

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- You will breathe with me. But I can imagine that that really would work. Maybe you can't

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be mad at someone if you're trying to breathe together. - Yeah.

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- There is this device, like synchronizes your hearts. You can't buy it yet. So how do you

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know about it? How do you find out?

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- Well, you know, just like the field of being a podcaster, you know, other podcasters, when

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you're in this field of consciousness gadgets, you learn about all the people. This guy

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graduated from MIT and he's a roboticist, but he wants to come up with gadgets that connect

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people because right now people feel so disconnected from each other. There's so much polarization.

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And that's one of the reasons why I got into things like psychedelics, which is another,

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it's not a new gadget, but the use of them in groups, you know, I lead individual and group

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MDMA sessions. And that is another way to connect. So you got to be responsible about this stuff,

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but there's a real need for people to feel that sense of community. And if it's a gadget

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or psychedelic or a workshop, those are all helpful things.

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- Yeah. Something that recently happened, I'm sure you're aware of it that I think really

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helped kind of give us as a country a little bit of that sense of community with the piecemunks,

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I guess, the clock for peace, they weren't piecemunks, but we called them like the piecemunks.

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- The piecemunks.

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- I stalked them on Facebook and we actually got to go see them, you know, by the side of

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the road and they were like, it was fun. It was one night, it was five o'clock at night.

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I'm like, there's going to be enrichment tomorrow. That's two hours away, everyone.

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Getting the car, we got the dog because we couldn't find someone to watch it that late

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night and we drove to like terrible weather and yeah, we got to see them. It was incredible.

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And everyone just kind of rallied, like they really, they were like the gadget, like a moving,

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living, breathing gadget that I think helped really kind of bring that sense of peace and

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community to everyone.

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- I think they might take offense of being called a gadget.

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- Well, you know.

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- One aspect of technology which I found interesting is Zoom, where I call Zoom meditation.

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So there's teachers in India and Ireland and Europe that will meditate at certain times

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and you can go on their zooms and meditate with them.

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And I talked about skeptic. I said, well, this is total BS.

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- Right. You read my mind.

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- Yeah. Now I've meditated with a lot of goons in India and you can definitely feel their

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energy.

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- But in person though, right? Well, you're there.

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- Yeah.

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And that made some sense at least, you know, you're in their energy field or whatever.

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So when this happened over Zoom, I thought, well, you all try it, but this is not really

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going to happen.

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- You didn't pay any of that.

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- I was overwhelmed with their energy.

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- Really?

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- Yeah.

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No, my experience and my beliefs were definitely at odds.

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So I had all my friends go to these Zoom meditations and I said, tell me if you're experiencing

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anything.

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And every single one said, yeah, I'm blown away.

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So then we tried blind experiments like, you know, I won't know if they're meditating now

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or not, you know, have this teacher send energy or not.

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And I could guess 100% of the time when they were sending energy.

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- 100%.

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- Yeah.

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- Wow.

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- It wasn't subtle. I mean, depends on the teacher, but some gurus, when they send energy,

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it's like a fire hose.

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- Not like a circle.

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- Are these zooms that are available publicly?

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- They are.

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- And some of them are free.

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I'll give you a couple of websites that people I respect that do this for free.

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They have one or two each week.

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And there'll be a couple hundred people from 50 countries on the Zoom.

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And I have a podcast called Awareness Explorers and my co-host is very skeptical about

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this stuff.

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- I mean, it's more so than you.

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- You know, right.

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- Yeah.

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- And so I finally got him to go to one of them and he said, you know, how was it, Brian?

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And he said, I don't think there's anything there.

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I just happened to have the best meditation of my life, but I don't think it was due to him.

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Right.

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It just by sheer luck could happen.

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- That's quite the dance.

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- Now did he try it again?

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Is that he recreate the experiment?

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- He keeps going.

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- Oh.

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- Interesting.

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- He doesn't like to admit that he's not doing anything.

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He doesn't like to admit that it's the guy.

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He said, well, you know, it just fits into my calendar and it's a good time.

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I always have a good meditation.

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I don't know if anything's happening, but he's religious about it now.

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- Oh, that's funny.

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- Well, no, so if you give me those links, we'll add them to the show notes.

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So if you're interested in checking this out, because I am, I'm going to go and check it

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out because that sounds interesting.

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- So when you said that, you could feel like a hundred percent of the time when they

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were meditating.

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And then it was like, I was like, what did that feel like?

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Was it like a mental mindset feeling?

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Or was it like a physical, tingly feeling?

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What was that like?

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- Well, first to mention, I am pretty sensitive to energy.

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I've done a lot of meditation, but I would call it like extremely deep peace.

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So I'm not able to really function for about half an hour afterwards and I can't move

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because I feel like I am in an ocean of very deep, peaceful, silent energy.

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That would be my best description of it, but other people experience different things.

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Some people experience Kundalini, some people experience it more like a loving feeling.

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- I seem to have lost that.

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- You lost that lovely deal.

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- Sorry.

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That would be a great title for a song, you know?

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- Oh, you know.

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- It would be.

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- So, I'm sorry, you were saying, I mean, didn't wrote you.

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- Well, so, you know, it's pretty nice to be able to tap in and these people offer it for

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free.

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And I think, you know, everybody's different.

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So, you know, some people like chocolate ice cream, some people like vanilla ice cream,

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between the three teachers that I do meditations, some I like more than others.

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So you kind of have to try it out and see what works for you.

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That's true for any technique.

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- Sure.

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Yeah.

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And it's funny because I went to yogaville.

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There's a, it's an ashram here in Virginia, a while back.

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And they have this big lotus building that it was closed for repairs, except they would

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open it up every once in a while and they'd bring the bell and it was open to everybody,

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just rushed to it.

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I was wondering, why is everybody in such a hurry to get, I mean, meditate here or there

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and it's not a big deal.

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I was finally able to make it one day.

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Like, because you have to really get to rush.

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They shut the doors after a certain amount of time.

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So they finally made it in there and sure enough, I don't know whether it's the shape of

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the building or the amount of people meditating in there or what it is, but the energy is

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built up so strongly that it was one of some of the best meditations I've done was in

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that lotus flower building.

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- Yeah.

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- I mean, I'm assuming it's, it's maybe a little bit of both, right?

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So the build up of the energy and the shape of the building itself that, well, you know,

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the first step to wisdom and to admit that we actually know probably almost nothing and

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that what makes most things work is what I call PFM.

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Do you know what PFM stands for?

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- I'm waiting with baited breath.

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- Well, it's what makes most things work, your iPhone, zoom, everything.

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- Yes, I do know.

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- You're a friggin' magic.

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- Yeah, well, thanks for cleaning it up for us.

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- Yeah.

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- Yeah.

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- You know what?

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I'll take it.

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- I love to believe in magic.

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It's very seldom shown to me.

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- And it is.

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You just don't, you just think of something else.

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- But when, I am labeling it something else.

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I'm, right, caring calls them little miracles.

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I call them coincidences or magic.

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- Well, it's interesting, you know, I just finished, I wrote a book.

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It's out now called "Execupe Couples" and I'm doing my next book, which I haven't titled

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yet, but it's about magic and miracles.

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- Cool.

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- So I've been writing down all the magic and miracles I've experienced in my life.

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I thought, I thought there was be like 10 or 15.

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I've been around some very powerful people and it ends up up to 82.

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- Wow.

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- And they keep coming to me.

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Now some of them are like gobsmacking.

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You can't in any way have any other interpretation, right?

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- Well, that's a really bizarre coincidence that just happened.

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- Yeah.

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- Well, there's a whole spectrum.

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- Right.

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- Now, now I was, I don't know if I ever told you this, but I was a psychic studies major,

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UC Santa Barbara.

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- Psychic studies.

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No one don't think you ever did.

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- Yeah.

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So I was in the scientific study of people with extraordinary abilities.

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They could, you know, have out-of-body experiences.

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They could affect machines like random number generators and all kinds of things.

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So I started to get used to that.

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There are these abilities.

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They're rare.

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But I often ask people, have you ever experienced something you couldn't explain?

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Something that struck you as like miraculous or like was beyond rationality?

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I've done that for a lot of years.

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And about 70% of people say that they have had such an experience.

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- Hmm.

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- I usually love talking about it.

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- Yeah.

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- Because there's no avenue for, you know, nobody ever asked you that question.

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- Right.

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- Ends up, I've had a lot of them.

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What really strikes me as amazing is that I still have this materialistic worldview where

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I think things are, you know, happen the way that, you know, you and I tend to think.

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But then something will happen like my, my, when thing happens, my glass got transported

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through the air into an impossible location with a bunch of people watching.

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And then you go, you look at then you go, I guess I really have no idea what's going on

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here.

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- Okay.

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We got it.

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We got, you got to go a little deeper on that way.

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- I'll get the story because it's a pretty amazing story.

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People who know me and I barely believe this myself.

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So I will understand your skepticism, but you'll see how this unfolds.

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I have what's called PK ability, meaning I can affect random number of generators.

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And that's been done under laboratory conditions and some people have that ability.

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So I can make 60 heads out of 100 rather than 50.

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- Wow.

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Now I know how you got your money for you.

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- I got gadgets.

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- A lot of them.

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- Vegas, Vegas, baby.

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- Vegas is very good to me.

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At least until now, now they know you're trying.

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- Sometimes weird things happen around me and my wife and I, we just call it the Gremlin

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because it happens like once every six months that something moves into a place where really

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how could, how did my keys get into the salad drawer?

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You know, is stuff like that.

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So anyways, I'm going into, my wife and I are going into the Senate in Ottawa, Canada.

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And they have really intense security there.

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So you have to, you know, take off your belt and things like that, just like an airport.

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But the guy asked me to take off my glasses and put it in the tray.

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And I said, they never asked that in the airport and they said, "Well, the security here is

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more intense to get into the Senate."

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So I take off my glasses and put in the tray.

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It goes through their X-ray machine or whatever it is.

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My wife is already through, she's in the Senate.

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But my glasses don't appear on the other end of it.

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And the guy notices that they're not there and he says, "Your glasses must have gotten lost

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in the X-ray thing."

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And they stop the machine and they're looking for them.

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And they can't find them after like five minutes and they're apologizing, "This has never

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happened before."

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I hear this a lot.

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This has never happened before.

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And I'm figuring, "Okay, my glasses will show up in an impossible location soon because that

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sometimes happens."

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So I'm there like 10 minutes and there's a big line now that people waiting and they have

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five guys looking at the machine.

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They're taking a part.

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They can't find glasses.

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I'm just sitting there, can't believe it.

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And it's like the, you're, the drive-through in McDonald's where your people really mad at

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you in the air.

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Exactly.

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Finally, my wife who's in the Senate calls me, my phone did come through and she says what's

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going on at the Gremlin, we call it the Gremlin, made my glasses disappear and she says, "Well,

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I know where they are."

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I say, "What?

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Oh, where are they?"

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And she said, "Well, when you didn't show up, I went into the zipper part of my purse to

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call you and that's where your glasses are."

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Wow.

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And I go, I go, wow, and then I go, "What do I tell these guys?

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Because I can't tell them that, they'll cart me away."

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So I tell them, "Hey, no, that's, you know, I have 20 of those pairs, don't worry about,

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you know, it's not a big deal and they let me go."

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My wife has a pair in her purse right now, is that right?

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But that was a good example of like, I have no explanation for that and it was under a pretty

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controlled situation where a lot of people and even video of it, so we have no explanation

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as to how that happens, but that type of stuff happens to me about every, every six months

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to a year.

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Have you considered that maybe it is an actual Gremlin that keeps moving stuff around or do

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you think it's just a universe playing first?

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It's an interesting question, there was a teacher in Indian named Sai Baba.

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I know Sai Baba very well.

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Well, I met somebody who is Sai Baba's assistant for 10 years.

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Oh wow.

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And I asked him, does he do, like, is he really able to manifest stuff thin air?

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And he said, "No, no, he doesn't, it's all a trick."

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And I had seen Sai Baba do that where I am a man amateur magician and I was like a foot

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away from his hand and there was no false thumb or anything.

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It looked totally real to me.

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He said, "No, no, he doesn't manifest it.

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What happens is there's a ghost that delivers it to him the moment he needs it."

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And he said it the way that you and I would say, "No, somebody, like a person, hands it

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to him in that moment."

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Like, he didn't see that as magical at all.

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Oh, it's quite explainable.

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He takes it from the warehouse a two miles away and it goes to the lures at the second he needs

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it.

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And I said, "Oh, that's nice to know that there's a rational explanation."

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It's not magic at all.

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Right, that clears everything up.

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That's like the story with the nut.

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Yeah, no, I was thinking exactly that.

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Yeah.

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We had a story similar to that.

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It happened a little while ago where we were doing a live show, an interview on location is

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what we're doing.

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That was the live show.

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It was an interview on location.

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And when we take all of our gear, the microphones are connected to these arms by this nut that

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goes in between the two.

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And it's probably the size of maybe like a quarter.

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It's pretty thick, but as I was putting on Karen and I were sitting down in chairs just

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like we are now.

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And you know, when you're sitting down, your pockets kind of, it was, yeah, your pockets kind

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of fold in on themselves.

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So you're kind of compressed in a way.

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As I'm putting the nut in to place, it falls out of my hands and Karen and I both watch

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it fall, bounce and vanish.

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Ah.

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And it's on a white carpet.

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Yeah.

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So it's not like dark, hideable clothes.

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Like you're a white carpet.

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Yeah.

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So what do you do with that?

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What's your mind do with that?

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It's like you're saying this is friggin' impossible.

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Oh, right.

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It gets worse.

420
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Yeah.

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Where it grows on our hands and knees, like running our fingers to the carpet, looking under

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couches, there was a stone fountain.

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I literally took all the stones apart.

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People, we had an audience.

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They were helping us look for this thing.

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They're lifting up chairs.

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It was embarrassing, honestly, because we can't do this interview.

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What we ended up doing the interview holding the microphone in the arm.

429
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Yeah.

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And so after the interview was over and I felt bad, but I mean, couldn't find this

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thing.

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I was like, I'm going to have to go home and go have to buy another nut or something,

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figure this out.

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One of the audience members comes to me and she says, because I guess it's an audience full

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of magical people.

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And that's it.

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And she says, I'm being told you you should check your pockets.

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Well, it would be impossible.

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We were sitting down.

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Our pockets are folded on themselves.

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There's no way enough would--

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It bounced the back way.

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It bounced the back way.

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It disappeared and ended up in my pocket.

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So just to appease her, I put my hands in my pockets and I froze.

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Because when I pulled my hands out of my right hand pocket, the damn nut was in my hand.

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I have no explanation for that.

448
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Other than the Gremlin.

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Well, you've earned my Gremlin without asking.

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It's a busy Gremlin.

451
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Yeah.

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It's crazy.

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And my wedding ring-- we say that this house is eating things because my wedding ring just

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disappeared. My glasses disappeared for a while.

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It was found in one of my shoes.

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My glasses.

457
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Hi.

458
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Yes.

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I think in Gremlin, they're there to just kind of remind us that the world isn't magical

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place and they have a sense of humor.

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00:27:26,740 --> 00:27:31,660
So they'll put in your pocket or whatever it is.

462
00:27:31,660 --> 00:27:34,820
And then we go back to our-- oh, the world isn't magical.

463
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:39,860
Everything's explainable as our-- because that's the culture or the cult we're in.

464
00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:41,820
The culture we're in.

465
00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:44,300
And it's important to be reminded.

466
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:46,540
That's why I like asking people that question.

467
00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:52,540
Have you ever had anything unexplainable or miraculous?

468
00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:57,100
And get those reminders, not just from me, where I've had 80 of them, but already two of them,

469
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,540
but from other people as well, like your story.

470
00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:03,960
Well, I think it's interesting also, because people tend to think about miracles and you

471
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,780
think of the big things in the movies like The Red Sea or being parted or massive things.

472
00:28:08,780 --> 00:28:13,100
But there's all these little things that can happen that are totally miracles.

473
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:17,500
I'm having situations now where the universe or whoever will give me something right before

474
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:18,500
I need it.

475
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:20,020
Right at the moment I need it.

476
00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:24,740
I was making coffee the other day and I realized I was out of milk and I'm like, gosh, like

477
00:28:24,740 --> 00:28:27,420
six months ago, I had bought some creamer for some reason.

478
00:28:27,420 --> 00:28:28,420
I don't remember why.

479
00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:30,020
I was making something and it required it in the recipe.

480
00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:32,580
And it was in the pantry, kind of like shoved behind the shelf.

481
00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:33,740
I'm like, I think I still have that.

482
00:28:33,740 --> 00:28:35,180
I don't think I use the whole thing.

483
00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:38,220
So I go to walk into the pantry and I turn down the hallway where the pantry is and

484
00:28:38,220 --> 00:28:40,940
right in the middle of the hallway is that thing of creamer.

485
00:28:40,940 --> 00:28:41,940
Wow.

486
00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:45,380
I haven't used this thing in six months or however long it is incredible.

487
00:28:45,380 --> 00:28:47,340
So I get these little things like here you go.

488
00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:48,340
Yeah.

489
00:28:48,340 --> 00:28:51,180
So the universe, I'm going to need about $1.8 million tomorrow.

490
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:52,780
So just putting it up right now.

491
00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:53,780
Dare waste fine.

492
00:28:53,780 --> 00:28:56,620
Forever you want to put it.

493
00:28:56,620 --> 00:28:57,620
All right.

494
00:28:57,620 --> 00:29:05,180
So Karen had a situation happen not long ago that showed me, not even the coffee thing,

495
00:29:05,180 --> 00:29:07,020
but the milk thing is the thing that's the most.

496
00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:12,700
But do you think something like this is that people talk about like timeline shifting or

497
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:18,260
universes that were jumping universes or things like that?

498
00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:21,660
Could that be the explanation for the Grumlin?

499
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:23,820
Well, yeah, it could be.

500
00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:24,820
It could be ghosts.

501
00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:29,660
It could be people from the planet clearly as I don't know.

502
00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:36,380
I mean, you know, take the UFO phenomena is interesting in that way because it makes no

503
00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:41,860
sense that somebody's traveled from, you know, a hundred light years to here and there's

504
00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:44,660
all these different species and things that makes no sense.

505
00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:51,180
But currently the US government has said there are technologies that we are seeing that

506
00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:55,220
we do not have and we know nobody else has.

507
00:29:55,220 --> 00:29:58,060
So basically they're saying there's aliens on earth.

508
00:29:58,060 --> 00:30:03,860
So they're not saying Italians, but it's just saying, you know, that's not human technology.

509
00:30:03,860 --> 00:30:04,860
Exactly.

510
00:30:04,860 --> 00:30:05,860
Exactly.

511
00:30:05,860 --> 00:30:06,860
And so it remains, right?

512
00:30:06,860 --> 00:30:11,180
Non-human remains, but that man in Congress testified.

513
00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:12,180
Right.

514
00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:13,180
Right.

515
00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:17,860
So that's another example of we don't really know what's going on.

516
00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:20,860
We always think, we always think we know.

517
00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:26,620
You know, in the 15th century, they always thought that, or you know, 2000 is to see, they thought

518
00:30:26,620 --> 00:30:32,900
lightning was a sign from God to do things or he clips his brain, that we always have explanations.

519
00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:35,140
The explanations usually are wrong.

520
00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:36,140
Right.

521
00:30:36,140 --> 00:30:37,140
Right.

522
00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:44,740
Well, I like to think that we're shifting realities because I can't explain a lot of the

523
00:30:44,740 --> 00:30:46,740
whole, I went to Mandela effect stuff.

524
00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:51,180
There's so much of that out of the world that I just can't, I can't think of any other

525
00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:55,060
way, especially this thing that happened to you with milk.

526
00:30:55,060 --> 00:30:56,060
Yeah, that's right.

527
00:30:56,060 --> 00:31:00,420
Because that was in, you were in mid action.

528
00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:02,700
So play the milk story real quick.

529
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:07,180
We'll have gone to the grocery store and he picked up a few things for me and I texted him.

530
00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:10,140
One of the things was a thing of milk because we were out.

531
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:12,340
Yeah, no bread.

532
00:31:12,340 --> 00:31:16,180
So my daughter is pretty much the only one that drinks milk and I think I was making something

533
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:18,660
and I needed to put some in a recipe.

534
00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:23,180
So he's upstairs and I go to the refrigerator and I grab the milk and it's like almost,

535
00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:24,180
almost all the way empty.

536
00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:27,820
I pick it up and it's like the weight and I'm like, what the heck?

537
00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:33,860
There's no way she drank half a quart of milk in 15 minutes and I would have noticed.

538
00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:35,180
So obviously, Will Moses.

539
00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:40,020
Obviously, I can't believe Will, but this is, you know, people, there was that trend where

540
00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:43,500
they're opening ice creams and licking it and putting the lids back on and all this stuff.

541
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:47,620
I'm like, oh my God, someone opened the milk, drank a bunch and we'll never notice.

542
00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:48,620
Yeah, right.

543
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:50,620
Well, you don't usually do the grocery shopping.

544
00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:53,340
So I'm thinking of this and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm walking over because now I'm going

545
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:56,660
to have to throw this way and as I'm walking to the counter, it's getting heavier and heavier

546
00:31:56,660 --> 00:31:57,660
and heavier.

547
00:31:57,660 --> 00:31:59,020
I'm thinking this whole thought process about it.

548
00:31:59,020 --> 00:32:02,220
I can't believe he bought this empty carton of milk or this half of empty, by the time I

549
00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:05,100
get to the counter, it's full.

550
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:06,100
Yeah.

551
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:10,700
Totally full and the thing it was sealed, but like I swear to God, it was empty, I picked

552
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:14,700
it up and it was like, it was the weirdest thing ever.

553
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:15,700
Yeah.

554
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:25,100
I love those moments and they really need to be reminders and stay in the unknown.

555
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:30,420
So your skeptical mind doesn't just crap on it.

556
00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:35,780
One of the things I like is listening to people's near-death experiences because that's

557
00:32:35,780 --> 00:32:38,660
also something that we'll all experience.

558
00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:43,780
But there's so many people now who've had these similar experiences that show that the

559
00:32:43,780 --> 00:32:50,060
world and what human life is and reincarnation is very different than what we're taught.

560
00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:54,300
And I don't know it's true, but I love being in the mystery.

561
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:55,700
I don't know it's true with the aliens.

562
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:57,020
I don't know it's true with Saibaba.

563
00:32:57,020 --> 00:32:59,380
I don't know it's true with my glasses.

564
00:32:59,380 --> 00:33:03,700
But maybe that's a good place to be because you're like a child.

565
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:10,020
You're more open to whatever is going on here.

566
00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:12,020
And it's just a better, it's more fun.

567
00:33:12,020 --> 00:33:13,020
Yeah, it is more.

568
00:33:13,020 --> 00:33:17,620
It's like a more exciting way to live than everything is explained away.

569
00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:26,780
But then you have minds like mine that, like Jonathan, there was a point where I was very

570
00:33:26,780 --> 00:33:32,100
much into magic and every single magic trick was a trick.

571
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:33,100
Yeah.

572
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:37,300
So you go through life thinking, okay, what's the trick?

573
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:38,820
Like how did that happen?

574
00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:45,740
And you will tie yourself into a pretzel trying to explain in a materialistic way how that

575
00:33:45,740 --> 00:33:49,140
Mill Carton could have been empty and then filled up.

576
00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:52,260
You know, because they even, they had a magic trick where you have an empty glass and as

577
00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:54,260
you're putting it on the ground, it fills up.

578
00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:55,260
Right.

579
00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:56,780
So there's gotta be a way.

580
00:33:56,780 --> 00:33:59,100
Someone put a trick, Mill Carton in our refrigerator.

581
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,140
That's all I can think about.

582
00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:04,860
David, who wasn't doing anything one day, you saw your house.

583
00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:06,860
That's our house.

584
00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:08,420
And this will really get them going.

585
00:34:08,420 --> 00:34:10,020
I have one name, not to do that.

586
00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:11,940
The gravel travel over to our house.

587
00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:20,580
Well, when you have a website or a podcast called Skeptic Gold Metaphysician, you know, or

588
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:25,180
whatever, that that's going to attract those types of people.

589
00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:26,180
Yeah, yeah.

590
00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:29,100
I brought a major change in name to leave me alone.

591
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:30,900
Oh, no.

592
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:33,900
That's weird.

593
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:34,900
That was weird.

594
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:35,900
Okay.

595
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:38,740
So he said that and our whole computer screen just went black.

596
00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:39,740
Yes.

597
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:41,260
We thought we lost you.

598
00:34:41,260 --> 00:34:42,260
Nope.

599
00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:43,260
It was just your own.

600
00:34:43,260 --> 00:34:44,260
It was the universe.

601
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:45,260
Okay.

602
00:34:45,260 --> 00:34:46,260
Yeah.

603
00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:47,260
No, be careful what you asked for.

604
00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:48,260
Just kidding.

605
00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:49,260
Exactly.

606
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:50,260
Right.

607
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:55,100
So we've talked about these due dads and gadgets and stuff like that.

608
00:34:55,100 --> 00:35:03,140
There's also, I mean, we kind of slightly somewhat sort of touched on the psychedelic consciousness

609
00:35:03,140 --> 00:35:10,580
expansion that you'll, I mean, you use MDMA in for a lot of different reasons, not specifically

610
00:35:10,580 --> 00:35:12,940
consciousness expansion, or do you?

611
00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:16,860
Well, I use it for whatever will help the person I'm working with.

612
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:20,820
It's, you know, it could be for trauma or anxiety or work with a lot of couples.

613
00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:27,180
It was originally a couple's therapy drug and when it was legal in the 70s, that's how

614
00:35:27,180 --> 00:35:33,540
it got its name that XC because brought two people into a static place that would heal

615
00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:35,820
their relationship really quickly.

616
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:36,820
All right.

617
00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:41,780
And after a while, other people discovered it other than therapists and it, you know, became

618
00:35:41,780 --> 00:35:46,060
part of the rave scene and the whole thing, which then became much more of a couple's drug

619
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:51,820
after that again because people became, they're circling around there.

620
00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:52,820
Yes.

621
00:35:52,820 --> 00:35:56,740
But, you know, I'm a former psychotherapist.

622
00:35:56,740 --> 00:36:03,380
I do a lot of therapy now with that drug because you can do two years of therapy in an afternoon.

623
00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:05,380
It's just very efficient.

624
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:10,780
If you're guided properly, so that's what those books are about and it's really moving

625
00:36:10,780 --> 00:36:11,780
work.

626
00:36:11,780 --> 00:36:16,340
Couples therapy, a lot of people are having trouble with couples now.

627
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:22,420
It's a hard time for couples and unfortunately, couple counseling is a long, slow slog for

628
00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:28,460
most couples, whereas, you know, if you take XC together, you have a five hour therapy session,

629
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:34,340
you can often handle all those issues that have been keeping you annoyed each other and

630
00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:39,660
it's just a great, we need the best tools now because it's a stressful time.

631
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:45,900
So whether it's a gadget or a psychedelic or a new technique or the other thing that's

632
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:49,300
going to affect consciousness a lot is AI.

633
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:50,300
Oh, yeah.

634
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:51,300
Yeah.

635
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:55,140
You know, 25% of Americans are using AI for mental health now.

636
00:36:55,140 --> 00:36:57,140
How does that work?

637
00:36:57,140 --> 00:37:01,820
Because I don't really understand that because I would think it would be anti mental health.

638
00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:06,660
No, you go to chat GPT and you just use this as a therapist, you say, you know, I'm having

639
00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:10,420
trouble with anxiety and my partner is doing this.

640
00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:16,380
So what can I do to feel better and it will give you really good results most of the time.

641
00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:21,980
You know, I've worked and I said, wow, that's, that's what I would say, you know, wow.

642
00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:23,780
And I charge more.

643
00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:24,780
Right.

644
00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:25,780
Way more.

645
00:37:25,780 --> 00:37:26,780
I sure.

646
00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:27,780
Wow.

647
00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:36,060
When it comes to MDMA therapy, the couples therapy, you mentioned in the five hour session,

648
00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:39,140
you sit down and you work through all these things that you're having, these issues that

649
00:37:39,140 --> 00:37:42,740
you're having, how do you get them to stop dancing with the light sticks for all that

650
00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:43,740
time?

651
00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:46,860
That's why I want to know because that's all I don't want to do.

652
00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:50,460
I mean, that's what a friend's a mind wanted to do when they were on MDMA.

653
00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:57,740
People often are surprised that they enjoy doing a five hour deep dive therapy session.

654
00:37:57,740 --> 00:38:01,860
You know, it's a very flexible, like a Swiss army knife.

655
00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:02,860
It's very flexible.

656
00:38:02,860 --> 00:38:07,780
If you want to do the best therapy session of your life, I tell the story, which is pretty

657
00:38:07,780 --> 00:38:08,780
funny.

658
00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:12,940
My parents always asked me, why are you working with this, you know, illegal drug?

659
00:38:12,940 --> 00:38:15,780
And I said, well, you know, you really got to know what it does.

660
00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:17,540
It's pretty amazing.

661
00:38:17,540 --> 00:38:21,100
And I said, and they said, okay, can we try it?

662
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:23,620
Now they're conservative.

663
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:24,620
And I was surprised.

664
00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:26,460
I said, yeah, yeah, I'd love to give it to you.

665
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:31,020
So I gave them the drug, told them how to get a nice set in setting.

666
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:35,700
A year later, I asked them if they took it and they said, yeah, yeah, we took it.

667
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:37,540
And I said, what happened?

668
00:38:37,540 --> 00:38:41,340
And they said, it didn't, there was no effect.

669
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:42,340
It didn't work.

670
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:45,580
You know, we waited like 20 minutes and nothing happened.

671
00:38:45,580 --> 00:38:49,140
Well, it takes about 45 minutes for it to take effect.

672
00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:52,180
So I said, what happened after the 20 minutes?

673
00:38:52,180 --> 00:38:55,340
Their eyes lit up and they said, well, we had nothing planned that evening.

674
00:38:55,340 --> 00:39:01,660
So we sat down on the couch and ends up, we had the best night of our entire mirror.

675
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:06,180
We talked about how much we love each other and how grateful we were.

676
00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:08,820
And we'd had some arguments the prior week.

677
00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:13,140
And we worked all that out in a couple of hours with them in the magazine.

678
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:14,140
And then we cuddled on the couch.

679
00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:15,140
You only disappoint me.

680
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:17,980
It was a drug never took effect.

681
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:18,980
[laughter]

682
00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:19,980
Not bad.

683
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:21,620
Not bad for the whole time.

684
00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:23,140
Of course, that's the effect of the drug.

685
00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:29,420
But it really just makes you feel like you're most loving, open, non-defensive self, which

686
00:39:29,420 --> 00:39:32,500
is the best way to do therapy.

687
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:40,900
And whether it be AI or psychedelics or gadgets, we need all the help we can get right now.

688
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:46,980
And people who are making use of these evolutionary tools, I think, are handling the stresses of

689
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:50,060
modern-day life a lot better.

690
00:39:50,060 --> 00:39:56,140
So, AI is being used for mental health purposes now, like you mentioned, all that kind of stuff.

691
00:39:56,140 --> 00:40:01,660
What do you thought on it for spiritual guidance?

692
00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:03,420
Can AI do that?

693
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:09,900
Well, I recently took a retreat in which they had a, what's called an "adetation bot."

694
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:14,860
And you tell them you're right in there or you speak to it, what your current meditation

695
00:40:14,860 --> 00:40:18,540
experiences, as much detail as possible.

696
00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:23,260
It gives you, you know, I've been around a lot of meditation teachers, a lot of really famous

697
00:40:23,260 --> 00:40:24,500
ones.

698
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,380
This bot was better than any of those teachers.

699
00:40:27,380 --> 00:40:28,380
It was modern.

700
00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:29,380
A slice?

701
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:31,180
It was more nuanced.

702
00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:33,060
It was actually better advice.

703
00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:35,300
I was just floored, like, "Oh, my God."

704
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:36,300
Wow.

705
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:40,740
Well, that's interesting because there was an app that I tried a while ago.

706
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:46,260
I forgot what it's called now, but it was this incredible meditation app.

707
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:47,260
Yeah.

708
00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:52,780
It was so exciting because it would take you on these journeys and it was an entire year's

709
00:40:52,780 --> 00:40:53,780
worth of stuff.

710
00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:57,100
It was like, it's a very specific track you go on.

711
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,100
So I started doing it.

712
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:04,060
And after a while, I started, like, this sounds very, I don't know, something weird about,

713
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:06,740
it turns out it, it's all AI.

714
00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:07,740
Yeah.

715
00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:08,980
And I didn't realize it.

716
00:41:08,980 --> 00:41:17,140
And I put, I was not really dropping in that well because I don't know if the, the, the

717
00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:22,940
tone wasn't right or the speed at which it spoke or the, I don't know what it was, but

718
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:25,900
something was clinging me in that this was not for me.

719
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:33,140
I ended up leaving the app because every single one was a different AI meditation teacher

720
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:35,420
and it just didn't feel authentic.

721
00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:43,740
Well, we used the same term AI for what's happening now and what happened a year ago.

722
00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:45,260
And they're not that similar.

723
00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:50,860
Maybe like, you know, if I confused the two of you, you know, I didn't know the time.

724
00:41:50,860 --> 00:41:51,860
Yeah.

725
00:41:51,860 --> 00:41:54,100
Yeah, you look so much alike and everything.

726
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:57,740
I mean, you're both red faced, you know, star care.

727
00:41:57,740 --> 00:42:04,780
So AI is getting about twice as smart every six months, which is a little, a little scary.

728
00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:05,780
Yeah.

729
00:42:05,780 --> 00:42:11,260
So I remember doing a meditation by maybe eight months ago, a year ago, I thought, this is

730
00:42:11,260 --> 00:42:12,260
crap.

731
00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:13,740
This isn't helpful at all.

732
00:42:13,740 --> 00:42:18,540
And the one I did last month, it was like, that's a completely different technology.

733
00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:19,540
Interesting.

734
00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:20,540
Yeah.

735
00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:23,740
Well, what people don't know is that when we started the show, we were actually humans now.

736
00:42:23,740 --> 00:42:26,140
This is, you're talking about two AI's right now.

737
00:42:26,140 --> 00:42:27,140
That's pretty cool.

738
00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:30,460
It's a pretty far advanced.

739
00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:36,060
It's pretty convincing, but I knew there was something going on.

740
00:42:36,060 --> 00:42:37,060
Right.

741
00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:39,300
We were way funnier now than we were back then.

742
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:40,300
Exactly.

743
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:41,300
Yeah.

744
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:43,300
Well, and Karen were never that funny.

745
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:44,300
That's true.

746
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:45,300
Right.

747
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:46,300
Oh my gosh.

748
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:47,980
I'm going to do things.

749
00:42:47,980 --> 00:42:48,980
We're funny now.

750
00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:49,980
Hey.

751
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:50,980
Sorry.

752
00:42:50,980 --> 00:42:51,980
That's what I'm taking by it.

753
00:42:51,980 --> 00:42:55,780
So then you think that AI's getting to the point, we'll eventually get to the point where

754
00:42:55,780 --> 00:43:00,180
it will completely replace spiritual leaders.

755
00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:04,660
Well, I think there's always going to be a segment of the population that wants the human

756
00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:06,220
interaction.

757
00:43:06,220 --> 00:43:12,740
And I think that there's something there that, you know, goo is consent energy and there

758
00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:21,580
can be like a mother, father, and a parent child relationship that can be useful or a certain

759
00:43:21,580 --> 00:43:25,380
type of devotional energy that you can have towards a teacher or guru.

760
00:43:25,380 --> 00:43:27,820
I certainly had that with my teacher.

761
00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:34,860
But in terms of information and specifics, I think AI will replace that just because it

762
00:43:34,860 --> 00:43:39,660
can do it better, faster, cheaper and more convenient.

763
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:46,260
There's now these Facebook glasses, and the future is that you'll just be talking to your

764
00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:47,260
glasses.

765
00:43:47,260 --> 00:43:51,380
Like, you know, what do I need to know now to handle this situation?

766
00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:54,460
Or I want to ask this woman on a date, what's your advice?

767
00:43:54,460 --> 00:43:58,780
So just give you that information right then and there.

768
00:43:58,780 --> 00:44:00,060
That's the future.

769
00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:01,340
And that's not that far off.

770
00:44:01,340 --> 00:44:04,340
Well, what if you don't wear glasses?

771
00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:11,700
And then you'll just wear apple AirPods and apple.

772
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:12,700
That's just really incredible.

773
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:17,140
I don't know how I think I'm going to be in that school that prefers the human aspect of

774
00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:18,140
it.

775
00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:19,140
I don't know.

776
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:24,940
I mean, or really, it's not one or the other, you know, it's not like because you eat pizza,

777
00:44:24,940 --> 00:44:26,420
you can't have a salad.

778
00:44:26,420 --> 00:44:27,660
You're going to have pizza and a salad.

779
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:30,100
You can have a human and AI.

780
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:35,300
And they each have their strengths and they each have their weaknesses.

781
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:36,300
Yeah.

782
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:40,820
I've been a long time lifelong fan of science fiction.

783
00:44:40,820 --> 00:44:46,440
And I was telling Karen you in the day, we are, we're living in the world that we saw

784
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,860
on movies and televisions 30 years ago.

785
00:44:48,860 --> 00:44:49,860
We're living it.

786
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:52,540
And I was just sitting here waiting for the flying cars.

787
00:44:52,540 --> 00:44:55,940
For me, the flying cars would say we made it to the future.

788
00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:58,540
Well, there's no flying cars, but there's everything else around me.

789
00:44:58,540 --> 00:44:59,540
There's some completely--

790
00:44:59,540 --> 00:45:00,540
Yeah, we don't want the food in the pills.

791
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:01,540
We don't want the food in the pills.

792
00:45:01,540 --> 00:45:02,540
We have like this, your lobster dinner.

793
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:04,860
I like eating too much, yeah.

794
00:45:04,860 --> 00:45:09,500
But I've been blind to everything is going on around me.

795
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:10,500
We are in the future.

796
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:11,780
We just don't have flying cars.

797
00:45:11,780 --> 00:45:13,180
So where's my damn flying cars?

798
00:45:13,180 --> 00:45:14,180
That's all I want to know.

799
00:45:14,180 --> 00:45:16,700
Well, they actually do have them in Dubai now.

800
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:18,500
They do have flying cars?

801
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:19,500
Yeah.

802
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:27,580
You know, their drones can get two people and they're completely computer controlled.

803
00:45:27,580 --> 00:45:28,580
And yeah, they exist.

804
00:45:28,580 --> 00:45:31,420
Just put flying cars to Dubai and you'll find them.

805
00:45:31,420 --> 00:45:32,420
Oh, my God.

806
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:36,580
And they have the people with taxis, right in California in LA, I think?

807
00:45:36,580 --> 00:45:37,820
But then they'll fly though.

808
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:40,140
Well, I know, but they don't have any people driving them.

809
00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:41,140
That's pretty impressive, too.

810
00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:42,140
That is impressive?

811
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:43,140
Yeah, that is.

812
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:45,580
Well, you know, whatever happens we get used to.

813
00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:49,900
So you're talking-- I don't even know where you are, but we're having a conversation

814
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:50,900
like you're right here.

815
00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:51,900
Yeah.

816
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:55,780
And you know, at first time you do this, you go, well, that's amazing.

817
00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:59,660
Now it's like, you know, there's a glitch for one second, you think, well, this piece of crap,

818
00:45:59,660 --> 00:46:00,660
what do you want to hold back?

819
00:46:00,660 --> 00:46:01,660
That's true.

820
00:46:01,660 --> 00:46:02,660
Right?

821
00:46:02,660 --> 00:46:03,660
Yeah.

822
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:06,660
That's where the most powerful mantra comes in, right?

823
00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:07,660
Yeah.

824
00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:08,660
You gotta be thankful for everything.

825
00:46:08,660 --> 00:46:09,660
Yeah, I think so.

826
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:12,180
Jonathan, is there anything that we haven't talked about?

827
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:15,820
You want to make sure that you call out because we've talked, we've written a whole gamut

828
00:46:15,820 --> 00:46:16,820
of stuff.

829
00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:19,060
I don't want to forget something.

830
00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:25,620
Well, you just mentioned that like gratitude is a method as that we need really

831
00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:27,300
simple methods nowadays.

832
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:29,500
And I'm kind of a method junkie.

833
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:34,660
I collect methods like some people collect baseball cards, especially fine ones that can

834
00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:38,460
be done in 20 seconds or less useful.

835
00:46:38,460 --> 00:46:43,660
So in a prior episode, we talked about the thank you mantra that you say thank you for

836
00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:44,660
this thing.

837
00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:49,580
And you take five seconds, you feel your heart and you say thank you to God or the universe

838
00:46:49,580 --> 00:46:50,900
or whatever.

839
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:55,580
And that's powerful medicine that we need because we do take this for granted.

840
00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:59,300
Once we leave this podcast, we'll go to the refrigerator.

841
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:01,460
Well, they didn't have those a hundred years ago.

842
00:47:01,460 --> 00:47:08,660
And then I'll turn on YouTube and there's 20 billion videos I can watch for free.

843
00:47:08,660 --> 00:47:11,100
I mean, that's pretty amazing.

844
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:18,140
But if you don't take a moment to feel grateful for it, then it all passes you by.

845
00:47:18,140 --> 00:47:23,300
Another mantra used, and this mantra to create immediate distance from your thoughts.

846
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:26,460
Because I don't know about your thoughts, but sometimes my thoughts bother me.

847
00:47:26,460 --> 00:47:28,100
They, it's stupid stuff.

848
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:33,380
They get focused on, on, you know, the politics and, you know, that loop.

849
00:47:33,380 --> 00:47:34,940
Yeah, you get that loop.

850
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:40,180
So if you say this mantra three times in the right tone of voice, it really helps stop

851
00:47:40,180 --> 00:47:41,180
that loop.

852
00:47:41,180 --> 00:47:43,420
And it sounds like this.

853
00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:45,940
Blah, blah, blah.

854
00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:49,940
Does that really work?

855
00:47:49,940 --> 00:47:51,740
Because I'm going to try it.

856
00:47:51,740 --> 00:47:55,900
That's what happens is you're saying to those that looping thought, you know, I know your

857
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:56,900
story.

858
00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:58,820
It's not even that interesting now.

859
00:47:58,820 --> 00:47:59,980
Just shut the hell up.

860
00:47:59,980 --> 00:48:00,980
I love that.

861
00:48:00,980 --> 00:48:02,980
You come with all the wisdom, John.

862
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:07,180
That's why I love having you on the show.

863
00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:10,580
That is a magical, I mean, where do you find it?

864
00:48:10,580 --> 00:48:11,580
Under scroll somewhere?

865
00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:15,380
And the backwards of Africa and outback somewhere?

866
00:48:15,380 --> 00:48:18,660
No, it's an interesting story how I came upon that one.

867
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:19,660
All right.

868
00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:21,460
Which is one of the miracles.

869
00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:27,260
So, you know, I've taken a fair amount of psychedelics in my time and I always, for me, it's just just

870
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:28,740
very relaxing, beautiful.

871
00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:33,580
And I've seen very normal other than I'm blissed out.

872
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:38,220
So a friend of mine who guides these trips says, I want to give you a lot of psychedelics.

873
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:44,380
So you know, in the psychedelic world, five grams of mushrooms is considered a heroic dose.

874
00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:45,380
All right.

875
00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:49,180
So she said, I want to start you on ten grams of mushrooms.

876
00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:52,860
And then I'm going to give you a massive shot of ketamine.

877
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:54,660
You won't be able to talk.

878
00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:55,660
Wow.

879
00:48:55,660 --> 00:48:56,660
Okay.

880
00:48:56,660 --> 00:48:57,660
That sounds interesting.

881
00:48:57,660 --> 00:49:03,100
So I get, I take these drugs and I'm talking the whole time, but it's more like channeling,

882
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,660
which I never had done before.

883
00:49:05,660 --> 00:49:11,540
And what comes out of my mouth is a being that says, I want to offer these methods to the

884
00:49:11,540 --> 00:49:13,180
world.

885
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:17,260
And one of the methods was blah, blah, blah.

886
00:49:17,260 --> 00:49:22,740
It sounds like me on a Friday night after too many drinks.

887
00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:25,180
We are stopping you about politics.

888
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:26,980
That's true.

889
00:49:26,980 --> 00:49:28,540
That's awesome.

890
00:49:28,540 --> 00:49:30,740
Thank you, Jonathan, for coming on again.

891
00:49:30,740 --> 00:49:33,540
We have the time flies every time we're with you.

892
00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:35,300
We have so much fun with you.

893
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:36,900
I know you've got a couple of websites.

894
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:42,100
Want to make sure that people pay attention to if someone wanted to reach out, learn more

895
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:45,900
about you, do you show what, how can people do that?

896
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:49,980
Well, there's the magical way to mine, Vulcan Mind Mild.

897
00:49:49,980 --> 00:50:00,620
But if you want more traditional way, let's see the enlightenment project.net or XTC as

898
00:50:00,620 --> 00:50:02,820
medicine.com.

899
00:50:02,820 --> 00:50:09,580
And then I do a podcast where I interview spiritual leaders and that's awareness explorers.

900
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:10,580
That's the name of the podcast.

901
00:50:10,580 --> 00:50:11,580
All right.

902
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:15,860
Well, if you want to reach out, can reach me through any of those, any of those websites.

903
00:50:15,860 --> 00:50:16,860
Okay.

904
00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:22,640
If you're watching the video, you will have seen the websites magically appear on screen.

905
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,220
But if you're only listening, go to our show notes.

906
00:50:25,220 --> 00:50:27,180
They're all going to be late and they're easy for you to find.

907
00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:30,260
You just go to skepticmanabosition.com, go to Jonathan's episode page.

908
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:32,340
You'll see those links late in there.

909
00:50:32,340 --> 00:50:34,020
So it's easy for you to connect.

910
00:50:34,020 --> 00:50:37,500
Jonathan, thank you so much for coming on and spending some time with us.

911
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:38,500
Yeah.

912
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:44,180
So fun and keep asking people about the unexplained miraculous things in their life.

913
00:50:44,180 --> 00:50:47,860
Once you get surrounded by that, you start to look at the world like, what is going on

914
00:50:47,860 --> 00:50:48,860
around here?

915
00:50:48,860 --> 00:50:49,860
You're right.

916
00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:51,260
I think we need to focus on that more.

917
00:50:51,260 --> 00:50:52,260
So I'm going to.

918
00:50:52,260 --> 00:50:53,260
I'm going to.

919
00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:55,060
Maybe that's like the final question of it.

920
00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:56,060
Are interviews.

921
00:50:56,060 --> 00:50:57,060
Oh, I like that idea.

922
00:50:57,060 --> 00:50:58,060
Yeah.

923
00:50:58,060 --> 00:50:59,060
Thank you.

924
00:50:59,060 --> 00:51:00,060
Jonathan.

925
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:01,060
Yeah.

926
00:51:01,060 --> 00:51:02,060
We're totally stealing your idea.

927
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:03,060
Yeah.

928
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:04,060
Then just so we're clear here.

929
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:05,060
We're going to be asking every one of our guests now.

930
00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:06,620
What magical thing has happened to you?

931
00:51:06,620 --> 00:51:09,660
But I think actually I'm going to start carrying out a little notebook in my pocket and start

932
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:10,660
writing down.

933
00:51:10,660 --> 00:51:11,660
That's a good idea.

934
00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:12,660
You used to do that night.

935
00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:13,660
I forgot.

936
00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:14,660
Great.

937
00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:19,260
Because I only came up with like a dozen originally and then they kept on coming to me like, oh

938
00:51:19,260 --> 00:51:22,900
yeah, and then, and then my wife would tell me, well, how about this?

939
00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:25,660
And, you know, soon I had a whole book full.

940
00:51:25,660 --> 00:51:26,660
Yeah.

941
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:28,660
That's the same thing happens to me with my keys.

942
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:31,540
In my wife's ear, what about the keys?

943
00:51:31,540 --> 00:51:32,540
I don't know.

944
00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:33,540
All right.

945
00:51:33,540 --> 00:51:35,820
Jonathan, thanks so much for coming on the show.

946
00:51:35,820 --> 00:51:37,060
It's always a pleasure.

947
00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:41,380
We look forward to the next one because I know it will be not long from now.

948
00:51:41,380 --> 00:51:42,380
Sounds good.

949
00:51:42,380 --> 00:51:43,380
Take care.

950
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:47,060
Thank you guys for watching, discussing the musicians.

951
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:50,540
We will be back again next month, second Tuesday of the month.

952
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You never know.

953
00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:52,540
Might just be carrying out.

954
00:51:52,540 --> 00:51:53,540
It might be some other magical guest.

955
00:51:53,540 --> 00:51:55,060
Stay with us and you will find out.

956
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Until next, we'll see you on the next one.

957
00:51:58,020 --> 00:51:59,020
Ciao.

958
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[MUSIC]

959
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(gentle music)