Is Spirit Communication Real? An Evidential Medium Reveals How It Actually Works
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You've seen mediums on TV deliver jaw-dropping messages from beyond. But what you're watching is edited. The real thing is messier, harder, and honestly. more convincing.

This week, Will and Karen sit down with evidential medium, spiritual teacher, and host of the Mediumship Matters podcast, Hannah McIntyre, and from the first question she's already calling out the difference between a medium who tells you things that could be true for anyone. and one who shows up with undeniable, verifiable proof.

Hannah breaks down why evidential mediumship is so brutally difficult, why some mediums avoid it entirely, and what actually happens when a spirit tries to communicate with the living (hint: no voice boxes involved). She also shares the story of a sitter who said "absolutely not" to everything she was told. until a photo of the ashes container arrived the next day.

But that's not the wildest part. Hannah does a live reading right there on the mic, and the details that come through will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about what's possible.

And if you've ever wondered whether you could develop these abilities yourself? Hannah says yes. Every single one of us. She'll walk you through exactly where to start. If you've ever lost someone and wondered whether they're still around, this one's for you.



















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Karen, Yes, do you know how an evidential medium differs

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from a regular medium? Nope? Hmmm, well, I'd be lying

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if I said I knew what the difference was too.

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So that's why in this week's episode we brought in

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the expert on evidential mediumship. She says that connection to

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the spirit world is an ability that lies within all

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of us, not just the chosen few. And she's putting

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her money where her mouth is by teaching people literally

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from around the world how to uncover their own gifts

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and access to support and unconditional love of the universe.

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That's perfect.

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Few sounds like a good episode, right It does well.

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It does to me too, because Karen, when it comes

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down to it, mediumship matters. I wish I had a

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winky emoji in audio form right now. My name is

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Will and I'm Karen, unlike bolderin Scully to believe. So

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we've embarked in a journey of discovery.

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Welcome to Skeptic Mediticians Classics. You are listening to classic

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Warts and all anyone else out there having a hard

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time clearing their minds these days. Mostly you know by now,

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hopefully some of you know that I've recently changed jobs.

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Well it's not actually technically a change, it's different responsibilities.

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Where I was overseeing just one territory at work for

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a long time, now I'm overseeing the entire East Coast,

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It's a tremendous amount of work that's been laid on

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my plate, and because of it, I'm having a hard

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time sleeping. I mean understandably.

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So in my previous life I used to be a

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perfectionist and there's still a little bit of that inside me.

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It's the fact is I'm somewhat competitive now. I do

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like to be successful. And I know all this is

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ego driven, I understand that, but intrinsically it's who I am, right,

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It's in my fiber because that's how I've been programmed

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to be. So the fact that I've got for markets

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now that I've got to develop, well I should give

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me pause. But I'm driven to be successful. So when

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I don't have enough time in a day to work

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out all the problems and figure all the answers out

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and service all the clients that need to be serviced

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in that day. When can my mind process all that stuff?

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Of course, when I'm sleeping. This means that I'm not

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sleeping very well these days, as you can probably imagine,

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I'd say probably the past few weeks, because my mind

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is constantly active. Well, that's also been affecting my meditation

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in practice. It's very hard for me these days to

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clear my mind enough to just be. And the times

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when it happens, it's glorious. But their snippets they stick

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around for like ten, fifteen, maybe thirty seconds, and then

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I'm right back to thinking thinking thinking. Oh, I do

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what every mindfulness meditation teacher tells you to do, which

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is just acknowledge that you're thinking, release it, and go

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back to not thinking. And I do that, and I'm

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successful to a certain extent, but not as much as

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I was before this whole change of work thing. What

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I'm finding is the more I focus on the fact

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that I'm thinking, recognizing that I'm thinking, acknowledging it, and

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then moving it aside and going back to not thinking, well,

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the more it seems to stick. So the reason why

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I'm telling you all this is because I know sometimes

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it's difficult to meditate or focus on whatever it is

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you need to focus on because we're all super scattered

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these days. There's a lot going on in the world,

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a lot going on in our lives, so it's understandable. Hey,

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stick with it now. I can tell you I'm not

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there yet. I'm still having a hard time clearing my mind.

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But I have noticed that the more I stick with it,

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the more I acknowledge the thinking and release it and

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just go back to trying to just be. The more

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it sticks, the more it opens up, and hopefully sometime

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in the very near future, I'll finally be able to

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get back to that all encompassing piece that I had

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every time I meditated before all these changes. I have

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faith that that's what's gonna happen, because every time I

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do it, it sticks around just that little longer, maybe

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a microsecond longer, but I feel it. I can feel it.

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It's getting longer and longer the peace that I'm feeling.

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So if you're experiencing something similar, my advice to you

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is stick with it. Just do your ten minutes or

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fifteen minutes or twenty minutes or thirty minutes, whatever it

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is that you do in the morning, in the middle

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of the day, at night, whenever you do it. And

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if you don't meditate, I urge you to do that obviously,

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to try it, pick up a practice, because I found

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that meditation changed my life. I know a lot of

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people say it's difficult, it's boring, it's blah blah blah.

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But if you need help, there's help out there. There

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really is. And if you stick with meditation with a

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practice over time, you're going to find that suddenly you're

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much happier with it. But anyway, if you're already meditating

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and you're having a hard time clearing your mind, just

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be patient with yourself. In fact, have no expectations of

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what your meditation practice should be. Allow it to be

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whatever it is. If your mind is racing and racing

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the entire time, hey let it race, because at least

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you're taking time to do nothing but think and let

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your mind race. And little by little, if you recognize

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or realize that you're thinking, go ahead and just acknowledge

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that you're thinking, release the thoughts and then go back

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to not thinking. And the more you do that time

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and time and time again. The more you'll find that

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it's easier and easier and easier to clear your mind.

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Over time, you'll find the peace that we've all been

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striving for. I have faith that that's what's going to happen,

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and I wish you the absolute peace that we all

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want to find. Okay, off my soapbox, let's get onto

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the interview. Hi, I'm Will and this week we have

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with us the International Phenomon Hannah McIntyre. Hannah is an

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evidential medium, spiritual teacher and host of the Mediumship Matters podcast.

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Her down to earth, no nonsense approach to mediumship appeals

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to people around the world who are looking for easy

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to understand teachings delivered with lots and lots of humor.

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Sounds like she's right up our alley. She works with

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live audiences in the UK and internationally online to demonstrate

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mediumship and to prove the continued existence of the spirit world.

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We are excited to learn with this conversation is going

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to take us, so welcome to the show, Hannah McIntyre,

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how are you.

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I'm great, Thank you so much for that amazing introduction.

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Oh I'm so glad you've heard it. I'm sure we're

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on a different platform, so we're hoping that things go

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well as a bear with us if we have some

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technical challenges. But anyway, we had the pleasure of being

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on your show a little while ago and I had

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such an amazing conversation that we could not wait to

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get you on ours. Let's answer that first question right

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off the bat that we touched on earlier in the show.

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For those that may not know the difference, what exactly

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is an evidential medium?

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Well, I think lots of mediums work evidentially, but for me,

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an evidential medium is somebody that works with proof, proof, undeniable,

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indisputable proof of the continued existence of the spirit world.

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So the way I like in it, and I know

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this might be a trigger for some people for my

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first answer, but here here we go, is that when

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you're working with spirit guides and the way that some

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mediums work and the way that sometimes I work when

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we are giving messages or there is that kind of

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gray area where you could talk about things that do

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apply to your sitter and are true and are correct,

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but could also apply to lots of people. For example,

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you've had a bumpy journey with twists and turns in

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the road. But I can see you've been working on

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your healing and your energy and now you're moving into

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a new phase, which could very much be true and

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evidential to that sitter, but is also probably true to

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most sitters. When you work with evidential mediumship, you are

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bringing in indisputable proof of the person you are communicating

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with in the spirit world. So if you've got a

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grandmother that rides a motorbike and smokes a pipe, that

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is a yes or a no, there is no Well,

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I can kind of understand what you mean by that.

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She either rode a motorbike or she didn't. So that's

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where I think evidential mediumship differs from other kinds.

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Well, that is right up your allie. He is always

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wining the proof. Even when it kicks him right in

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the vase, he still doesn't see it. So this is

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perfect exactly.

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I was just going to say, this is going to

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be a fun conversation because you know, you have you

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we've had mediumship readings before and things like that, and

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it's like someone in the room has someone with the

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name of a structural letter m em. It could be

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a Mark Mike, mother Mustafa could be anybody, right, So

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it's exciting that you deal with evidence. Why would someone

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who's a medium not then be evidential? Like, why wouldn't

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every medium do that? Is there? Does it call on

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the question some folks? I know this is kind of controversial.

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Well what a gentle start. We're having this podcast of

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my own creation when you're getting me back for coming

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on mine now, aren't you? I see how this goes. Indeed,

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but the journey for evidential mediumship is hard and it's

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brutal for want of a better expression, because you have

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to be in such a vulnerable to commit wholeheartedly to

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the exact specific thing that you are getting that it

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is a vulnerability and it brings up a lot of

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your human There's a lot of that voice going on

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in your head all the time, going what if you're wrong,

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You're going to look like an idiot. You're stood in

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front of one hundred people right now, you're making this up?

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You absolute twasok? And so it's trying to find the

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strength to follow that path. So I worked with spirit

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guides and stuff like that for stuff like that. Sorry,

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spirit guides. I work with spirit guides for seven years

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before I moved into evidential mediumship, and it was still

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such a trigger for me being in that vulnerability of

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offering something to somebody that ultimately was a yes or

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a no. The very black or white nature of it

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does make it difficult. The other thing that I just

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want to say about evidential mediumship, which is what makes

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it hard, is mediumship worked the way that we all

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imagine mediumship working from watching it on the TV, from

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watching Ghost Whisperer, from watching medium where somebody in human

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form is speaking to a spirit who is speaking back

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like I speak to you, then there is no excuse

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for anything to be wrong. It should all be one

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hundred percent right. But of course that isn't how it works.

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People in spirit do not have voice boxes. They are

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not speaking to us. They are sending an energy to

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us which we are interpreting, which is where it becomes difficult.

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Because when you say to people I'm in evidential medium

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they say, great, tell me my NaN's name and her

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date of birth, which would be fine if they could speak,

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because if they could speak to me and I hear

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them like I hear you, then that would be expected.

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But it's more like playing energetic charades. I'm sure guests

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on your podcast have mentioned that before. They're sending information,

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sometimes pictorially, sometimes in feelings, sometimes in words, sometimes in

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and you're doing your best to interpret that. So it

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is evidential, but it's not like reciting somebody's CV and

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then you just know what they did and how they

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did it. It's not quite the same. Does that make sense?

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Yep?

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It does, And that is such a great explanation because

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I ask all the time, how do you know that

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that's not you? So finally I really like the way

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you explained it because I'm just not getting it. Could

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any medium become gosh mad? You can't think of the

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word thank you? I'm like experiential now very become an

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evidential medium. It's like they kind of stop themselves because

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it's too hard. Or is it really only just certain

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people that are able to tap into that deeper place.

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I believe it's anybody. It's bloody hard work, though, so

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I understand if you don't want to. I knew, if

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I knew what I know now when I started, I

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can't say in wholeheartedness that I would have followed the

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path because there is such a lot of pressure and

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it is so difficult, and it is so all consuming,

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and it is constant evolution and analysis and looking at

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what you've done, was it good enough? And why didn't

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I take that further? Why didn't I trust into this bit?

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Why didn't I do that bit? So it is a pressure,

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but yeah, I believe that anybody can do it, and

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it just it is about being willing to put yourself

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in that vulnerability. And you're right with what you said, Karen.

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It does feel like it's you. It does feel like

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you could be making it up. It does feel fluid, flimsy, etherol.

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It doesn't feel like it is anything other than just

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you coming up with something that might be absolute pile

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of hooey. And so you have to learn to trust

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into that. Unfortunately that's going to be hardy.

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So have you ever had an experience where you were

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trying to do these spiritual charades as you call them?

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You know, sounds like you know, I almost said, but

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you want to insult her by like maybe I'm trying

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to you know know anyway, uh, in the Saints we

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see your reas. But so have you ever had a

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point where you're trying to decipher what's coming through and

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the sitter and by the way. We should clarify that

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for the audience, I may not know a sitter or

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someone who you're reading for, right who you're who's asking

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the questions that the sitter says, Oh, this is a

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bunch of crap, right, like what what is your success rate?

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And something like this.

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Ah, it's really interesting because it is a three way

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and I always have to make this guy talk about

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this is this.

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Is a family show, family show of Hannah.

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But it is it is a collaboration. So because it

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is an energetic experiment, there is the spirit who is

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always in alignment, and then there is you as the medium,

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and there is the sitter, the person who's receiving the

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message and the energy is a collaboration. And what so

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many people expect is for you to instantly get into

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that deep blend, instantly be able to pull the most specific,

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amazing piece of evidence out of the hat instantly. And

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it is actually a process. So what can happen is

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at the beginning, when you're saying I've got a grandmother

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here and I know she like baking, everyone in the

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audience goes didn't.

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Like baking nothing, So the grandma's out there who don't

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like biking right. It takes all kinds. But there are

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lots of grandmas would like enjoy baby, but you.

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Would rather have the one that didn't as an evidential,

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then you would have the one that did. And I

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say that with two grandmothers in spirit who are both bakers.

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So it's that thing where people have to allow you

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as the medium, to get into a deeper blend. It's

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not instantaneous, and it does have an ebb and flow

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to it, and that ebb and flow is the result

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of the energy that is created in that space. So

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it's partly how the medium feels and partly how the

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sitter is responding. So it's a great irony if you

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come to a reading closed off, with your arms folded

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and that go and then prove it kind of energy,

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it actually makes it harder for the medium to be

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able to do it because you're not bringing your energy

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into the mix. So I do believe you should be skeptic.

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I do believe that you should be questioning, but you

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have to also be open and willing to go on

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a journey with the medium, and that can be the

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hard bit. And yes, sometimes in readings, because it's normal,

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we get nos I get nos all the time, and

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when I first started working with Spirit, I was like, right, oh, no,

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I'm with you, and I get nothing but yes is

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and this is glorious and magnificent and it looks like

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what I see on the TV, which of course is

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highly edited. And when I'm going out on I know

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who the guests. When you go out there and people

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say no, it used to feel like someone had stabbed

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me in the heart and I'd be like crushed, whereas

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now I say okay, because sometimes it can be how

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I'm describing it, the language that I'm using, the words

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that I'm using. People are not quite understanding the same

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meaning behind a word that I understand, and that can

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be a no. Sometimes they've forgotten the number of times

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people have said no to me in the moment and

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then messaged me afterwards and gone, oh my god, I've

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just realized. May I share a story about that?

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Of course? Yeah, we got stories.

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Okay. So I had a sitter that I was working

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with one on one and I was talking to her

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about her mum's ashes. I knew her mother had been cremated,

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and I kept saying, there's a rose, there's a rose

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with her ashes. And she was saying absolutely not, no, no, no,

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And at the end of the reading, she said, the

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ashes were completely wrong, Hannah, because we haven't spread them yet,

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We've only just got them, so there's no rose connected

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with her ashes. And I said, I don't know what

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I was seeing. I really felt like there was something

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to do with a rose. The following day she sent

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me a photo the container the ashes had come in

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from the crematorium had a rose up the front. Oh yeah,

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I know, But in the moment she was absolute, hard,

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complete No, I don't know what you're talking about. Absolutely not.

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So as an evidential medium, sometimes you can get it wrong.

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But also sometimes you have to allow your sitters to

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go through a process to understand it.

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So it's it's tough, right, Wow, talking about really kind

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of taking some time to get into that state so

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you can do these readings. Now, what is your take

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on those mediums that you hear about that are in

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the grocery store and they see some guy buying some

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potatoes and they're like, your mother has a message for you.

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You know, your allergic to potatoes or whatever?

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Is that real? And for those who are only listening

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to the show, you did not see Hannah's reaction just now.

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It spoke volume.

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Right. There's different frequencies that you can work in as

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a media, and this is one of the things that

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spirit taught me that nobody was talking about, and when

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I was on my journey, I didn't understand. So not

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all mediums work in the same frequency. And if you

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are working psychically, which to me is energy to energy

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in this physical space, so it's not communication with spirit

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in the spirit world, it's working here. It's reading energy here.

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If you've got somebody that you go up to and

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psychically read their energy, you can do a passable spirit

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link because you can feel who they are expecting to

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hear from in their energy. But it doesn't mean it's

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a spirit communication. It's a different thing. And so I

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think for a lot of those and I'm not saying

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all of them because I haven't done enough study to

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be able to say anything conclusively, but a lot of

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the time I think those people they're working psychically, and

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because we know that a lot of them are set up,

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they are stooges in the grocery store, so they know

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they're going to get something. And of course, if you're

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going to see a medium, or you know you're going

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to get a reading, you start thinking about who you

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might hear from and what they're going to bring through

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is evidence. So in your energy field because you've been

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thinking about it, is a lot of information about that spirit.

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So you can pick that up as a psychic and

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bring that through. But it is not the same as

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the altered state that you need for evidential mediumship.

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MK.

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Well it does, yes completely. Yeah, Unfortunately we have to

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take a break, so give us just a few minutes.

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When we come back, we are going to talk to

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Hannah about how someone could maybe tune in or tap

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into their own gifts, and we'll talk a little bit

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more about her podcast Mediumship Matters as well, So stay

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with us. We'll be right back and now back to

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the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Welcome back to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. We

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were talking to Hannah McIntyre, who is an evidential medium

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all the way from the UK. She has joined us

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today to talk to us about how we all can

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tap into our own spiritual guidance. We've had an amazing

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conversation so far, Hannah, and I know that we got

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you on a little bit of a hot seat right

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off the bat. So we're going to now kind of

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give you some softballs, right because this is what you do.

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You help people to tap into their own spiritual guidance.

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Then you believe that everyone can do this. So walk

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us through it. How can Karen and I start to

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listen in and hear messages from the beyond?

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Okay? So first of all, for me, it's the understanding

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of where you want to work, what energy you are

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working in, the frequencies like I was talking about earlier.

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So so many people think that we just sort of

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open up and spirit control what we get. But I

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believe that we are like radios. We tune into a

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particular station. So it's our job to know which station

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we're tuning into and where we want to work. So

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if you want to get a message from spirit guides,

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you would set that intention. I want to be working

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with spirit guides, and naturally your energy will move into

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the space that it needs to to work with spirit guides.

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I want to provide proof of evidence of loved ones

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in the spirit world, your energy will naturally move into

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the evidential frequency. So it's about knowing the difference, knowing

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when you're in psychic knowing when you're with spirit guides,

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knowing when you are working evidentially, and then it is

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a case of trusting that whatever you get, no matter

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how random, how weird, how out of context, you go

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with it. And one of the things that I'm really

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passionate about is momentum because that is what creates the

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great blend. So when we first start working with spirit,

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we say I've got a dad here, and then you go,

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is it a dad? I feel like it's a dad.

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What if I'm wrong? What if it's not their dad?

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I better not say I'm not sure if it's dad,

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by which time we've stopped the blending process. It's not

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happening because we've just held that first piece of evidence

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and we're second guessing it. So I always say you

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have to imagine yourself as a bit of an infection,

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and the longer that you hold on to stuff, the

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more you infect it with you. So if you want

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to work in evidential mediumship, and it works in spirit

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guide frequency too, the best thing that you can do

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is say what you are getting as quickly as you

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possibly can, often without even really understanding it yourself. And

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as you do that, you will build a deeper blend

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with that spirit. So my view is at the beginning,

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you should be bullet pointing evidence very very quickly, not

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getting hypnotized with what you're seeing, not trying to find

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a story in it, but very much so. I've got

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a grandmother here, and I know she's a big personality.

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She's very loud presence, and I need to talk about

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her here, having real pain in her hips, and I

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know she passes of her heart condition. I do feel

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that she's been in the spirit world for about a decade,

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if not longer, and she's joined in spirit by her husband.

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But you want to be quite quick with all of it,

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because that is how you start that blending process. And

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then you want to be moving into a space where

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you can allow things to slow down once you know

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that you're blended. And so it's always about being mindful

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of where you feel that tipping point in the blend

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is that's going to give you what you want, gotcha?

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So, Karen, I think we found our episode title humanity

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is an infection.

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Oh, Lauren, I've dated some bacteria, that's for sure.

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I'm sure you meant to say before will.

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Well dated dated?

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Just clarify this alright, So it's almost like free association, right,

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it's what I'm hearing, just letting things flow and not

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attaching yourself too much to it in order for the

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messages come through. Do you have to put yourself in

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a certain mindset before it's something that this can happen,

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or does it happen to you all the time?

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It happens instantly. I do not believe in preparatory work. Now,

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I do believe in a generalized preparation of your own energy.

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So lots of people meditate. If meditation works for you, fantastic,

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But the biggest and most important thing to me is

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that you spend a bit of time with yourself. Lots

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of people find spirit when they're wanting to escape themselves.

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00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.400
But actually, if you can't sit and be with you,

462
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:36.680
as soon as you get a space to open up

463
00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:38.960
to spirit, you're going to fill it with yourself and

464
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:44.799
that becomes the problem. So there's an inescapable self awareness

465
00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:47.599
and self love that has to be there to be

466
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:51.799
able to move into that vulnerability of evidential mediumship. So

467
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:54.079
often people say to me, what's the first step, And

468
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:56.920
I say, ten minutes by yourself every day, not doing anything,

469
00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.799
not scrolling on the internet, not trying to meditate in

470
00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:03.640
a escape the physical, just being present with you, and

471
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:05.279
everyone goes, oh, that's really boring.

472
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:07.119
I don't think.

473
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:11.920
Yeah, I have been trying to get him to be

474
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:13.480
bored every once in a while. It's okay.

475
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:17.599
Well, we live in an ADHD world, right, We're constantly

476
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:20.640
bombarded by stuff all the time. It's second addiction. So

477
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:23.200
then when suddenly you have to force yourself to do that,

478
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:27.119
it's almost impossible. It's really hard to just do nothing.

479
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.039
At least when I when I have nothing to do,

480
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:32.880
I'll try to meditate. You're seeing, don't even do that.

481
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:33.680
Just sit there.

482
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:37.759
Yeah, don't try and escape. So many people meditate to

483
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:41.359
escape themselves. I'm going to go off now and I'm

484
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.359
going to escape all of my problems and all the

485
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.400
parts of myself I don't like, and I'm going to

486
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:47.839
float around in the ether and it's going to be lovely,

487
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:53.039
which it is. Yeah, I'm not saying don't meditate, but

488
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:57.640
you also have to be in your human present with you.

489
00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:00.279
What is your body saying to you today, What is

490
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:04.119
your mind saying to you today? What emotions arising within you?

491
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.079
What memories need you to sit with them and be

492
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.480
with them so you can put them to rest. And

493
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:12.599
that is the problem. Spirit always show it to me

494
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:16.319
like a giant chalkboard and all of our stuff is

495
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:19.279
written all over it. And when we want to communicate

496
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.680
with Spirit, they will always find a space to write

497
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.839
on the chalkboard. But if you want to really hear

498
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:28.759
them and really be aware of them, you have to

499
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:30.920
have enough space on the chalkboard for them to be

500
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.400
able to write bigger. So it's as if they're trying

501
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.119
to be seen within all of the noise of everything

502
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:39.680
that's going on with you. So if your chalkboard is

503
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.799
rammed full of your to do list, things to do,

504
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.400
your worries, your concerns, this, that, and the other, they

505
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:46.440
will write on it, but they might be writing in

506
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:49.240
the space in a letter A, and it will feel

507
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:53.319
really small and insignificant. The more space there is in

508
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.160
your energy, the more you can receive from Spirit.

509
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.400
That makes so much sense. I really do plan it

510
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:01.160
is perfect.

511
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:03.200
And it also makes me think that it is that

512
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:05.680
instant gratification of scrolling or whatever, but I think it

513
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:09.759
might subconsciously be a culture of avoidance, avoiding those negative

514
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:12.440
thoughts to those sad feelings, and maybe that's if you

515
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.279
look at it that way, will maybe it'll be easier.

516
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.319
I mean, for me, honestly, truth be told, it is

517
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.839
just really boring. It's just I can't just sit there

518
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:23.440
for ten minutes and do nothing. But it, Hannah, you're

519
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.799
seeing things that I've read I've heard many times.

520
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:26.920
Right.

521
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.400
Eckhart totally talks about it in depth, about just being

522
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.279
in the moment and just doing nothing. Neil Donald Walsh

523
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.240
in Conversations with God, God told him about the importance

524
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:38.799
of doing That means all these different teachings that we get,

525
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.440
But it's so much easier said than done. I guess

526
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:44.759
it's just a matter of having the discipline of just

527
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:45.480
doing it.

528
00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:47.200
Start small, start with a couple of minutes.

529
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:51.039
Glad your way up. Absolutely, Karen. I mean that's the

530
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:53.279
same with meditation. I'm sure when you started your journey

531
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:56.759
with meditation, if you'd said forty minutes, come on, you'd

532
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.240
have got fidgety six minutes in, how long has it

533
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:03.960
been this is going to so yeah, start with a minute.

534
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.759
And always I always have my list next to me

535
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.680
because my brain is an ADHD type brain. It's very active,

536
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.359
which is actually good for mediumship as long as you

537
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.240
have enough space. So I actually think part of my

538
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.920
superpower is the fact that my brain works quickly, is

539
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.039
the fact that it's busy. So I always have that.

540
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:25.440
So when something comes up, like you didn't take the

541
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.599
food out the freezer for dinner, or you forgot to

542
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.039
pay that bill, or you forgot to send that birthday card,

543
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:32.920
I've written it down. Well, it's otherwise I'll spend my

544
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:35.559
whole ten minutes going, don't forget the chicken. Don't forget

545
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:36.000
my chicken.

546
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:39.400
God, you are so speaking to me right now, exactly.

547
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:44.160
Even in meditation sometimes it's like I can't focus my mind.

548
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.079
I can't if I don't like force it into my head,

549
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:48.240
I'm going to forget it. When they get out of

550
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:50.079
my meditation, I'm gonna be like, what was I thinking about?

551
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:52.759
What was so important? I'm going to do? That's so smart? Yes,

552
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.519
I'm going to start doing that now. Yay, break down stuff.

553
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.200
And I just sit there and might try, but you know,

554
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.559
we'll see. I know the importance of it. I do, Hannah.

555
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:03.440
I would be remiss if we didn't take a few

556
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.240
minutes to talk about your show, because I listen to

557
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.759
it all the time. And your show is interesting because

558
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:13.160
you do different episodes of different topics. So you do

559
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.039
you share different mediumship readings on your show. You also

560
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.960
do readings for the coming week. You do different things.

561
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.119
Every episode is different and I love that and it's

562
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:27.519
fascinating because it's not your typical metaphysical spiritual podcast. So

563
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:31.759
how did you decide to launch this show? First and

564
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:33.359
foremost abject?

565
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:36.000
Right, I bet that was an answer you were expected.

566
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:42.039
No, but I love it so much.

567
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:47.680
Time in the UK, we have some very very famous

568
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:51.160
mediums with big followings, and I was watching one of

569
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:54.279
them do a Facebook live and I thought, this is amazing.

570
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:56.880
They've got a million followers. I cannot wait to watch this.

571
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:01.880
And then, with no shame, no batter of eyelash, just absolute,

572
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:05.880
they said, your loved ones in spirit are drawn to

573
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:09.000
the energy of shares on social media. If you want

574
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:11.839
your loved ones to come through, I need you to

575
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.279
share this to build a bridge to the spirit world.

576
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:17.799
Oh yeah, and wait for.

577
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:24.519
Me. Yeah. It was just such a manipulation and I

578
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:27.160
think spirit just I know, we like to talk about

579
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.240
the light and love, but I also do feel that

580
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.640
anger can be a fascinating motivator if we don't cut

581
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.960
ourselves off from the emotion as judging it as bad.

582
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:37.839
It's not great when you want to go key your

583
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.160
neighbor's car because they keep parking in front of your house,

584
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:42.519
but it is a useful motivator.

585
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:47.720
Unless you want to key your neighbor's car, then anger

586
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:49.920
is really useful for that day.

587
00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:59.599
But I just couldn't let it go, and I was

588
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:02.480
going to and I was furious, and I was thinking,

589
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.319
somebody needs to tell everybody, all these people, that these

590
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.799
vulnerable people. And I kept imagining, you know, a mum

591
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:14.200
whose son has committed suicide or something really horrendous, frantically

592
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:18.000
sharing to try and get hold of their son when

593
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.599
that isn't how it works at all, and she could

594
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.920
actually learn to communicate with her son and feel the

595
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.240
presence of her son for herself. And it was almost

596
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.240
like spirit just laid this gauntlet down and they said, okay,

597
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:32.440
you're going to get this wound up about it, you

598
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.960
do something, and I said, well what can I do?

599
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.799
They and the podcast came to me, so I thought, oh, well,

600
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:40.720
no one will listen. It'll just be me getting on

601
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:45.000
my soapbox. Ranting about stuff and it just expanded.

602
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.640
So I mean I saw some of your top ten

603
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:55.759
show in Spiritual that's fantastic. Congratulations. Yeah, that's huge. We're

604
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.279
hoping that, you know, by rubbing shoulders with you, we'll

605
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:06.039
get at a little that magic on our shoeld collab. Right.

606
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:07.880
I heard spirit Loves Share.

607
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:08.160
So.

608
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.720
Bye.

609
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.039
So then who would you say that your show really

610
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:21.240
would appeal to? Who's your target audience?

611
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:25.599
Oh, that's an interesting question. I think it's anybody that

612
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.920
feels like there is more but is not expecting me

613
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.079
to have all the answers. Because one of the things

614
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:37.400
that I feel is really important is the acknowledgment that

615
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:42.480
we evolve and as we evolve in consciousness, our understandings

616
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.720
can change. So you can have something that is true

617
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:49.480
at one level of consciousness and then as you expand

618
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.759
into another level of consciousness it is a different but

619
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.279
also true. Both things can be true. And so for

620
00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:00.920
a lot of my podcast it's exploration da of things

621
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.880
that I've experienced and seen and discussion why is that?

622
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:09.599
What's going on with that? Because healthy discussion is a collaboration.

623
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.760
It's two different energy points meeting where we can learn

624
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.880
from each other, and I think that's something that's really

625
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.239
missing in the mediumship teaching that I received when I

626
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.440
was sucking for teachers. It was very much this is

627
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.920
how it is. And when I would say but why,

628
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.199
they would say, we don't ask. This is how it is,

629
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.559
this is how it's always been. And so I actually

630
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.280
like the why. I like the mechanics. I like the

631
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.559
unfoldment of understanding things like spirit not having a voice box.

632
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.079
No one ever said that to me, but it's so

633
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.079
obvious when you know it, why it works the way

634
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.840
it does, and so things like that that's what it's

635
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:45.320
all about.

636
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.760
I got to ask the question because I'm sure we're

637
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:53.400
a lot of people out there are curious. How you

638
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:57.760
came to know all this information? How did you How

639
00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:59.559
did your abilities, for lack of a better word, how

640
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:01.239
do the to you? How did you realize that you

641
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:02.320
were an evidential medium?

642
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.599
Oh right, well, it's just a journey. My friend, I

643
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:09.239
was a pat to music school mind in my own business,

644
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:11.280
and one of my friends came in and just went,

645
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.559
I've got your granddad here and did a spirit link

646
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.920
with my granddad, and I new mediums existed, and even

647
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.880
though I missed my grandfather desperately. It never occurred to

648
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.280
me to go visit a medium. It was not something

649
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:27.119
that was part of my experience, my understanding at all.

650
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.800
And then she did the spirit link, blew my mind

651
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:33.360
and then said, oh, you should come to my group.

652
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:36.559
So I went to her group thinking that I was

653
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:38.639
going to watch other medium's work. I thought, Oh, I

654
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.719
cannot wait to see different people getting messages. This is

655
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:43.920
going to be amazing. And when it went around the

656
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.239
group and they went your turn, I was a bit like,

657
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.159
excuse me, what, No, I'm just here to be in

658
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.920
the audience. This is not for me. And they said, oh,

659
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.679
yes it is, and that was it. It just started

660
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:57.800
and that was a spirit guide circle. So I developed

661
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:01.920
my connection with spirit guides, did reiki qualifications, things like

662
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:05.519
that over a period of a few years, and then

663
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.840
evidential mediumship. I just kept thinking, I wish though that

664
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:12.480
I could communicate with people's loved ones in spirit, but

665
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.199
that's not how my gifts work. That's not my journey.

666
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.880
That's other people's journey. If I could do that, I

667
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:21.360
would know that I could do that. And Spirit kept going,

668
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.840
give it a go, do a course, try, and I

669
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.239
kept going, no, no, if you wanted me to do it,

670
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.960
I would know it by now and I would send

671
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.119
on that And one day I just said okay, blow it,

672
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.599
signed up for a course and started. But I have

673
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:39.239
to say most of my learning has come from spirit

674
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:43.360
guides teaching me. And that is as simple as asking

675
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:47.079
the question and allowing the answer to come. All of

676
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:51.320
your listeners will be able to get information to help

677
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.760
their expansion and spiritual growth if they asked the question

678
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.760
and allow it to unfold. It might not come back instantly,

679
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.760
it might not come words, but it will rise in

680
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.519
you as a knowing. There will be something that comes

681
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.320
across you on social media or something you read that

682
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.159
is a piece of the puzzle. And if you stick

683
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.360
with it and you allow it to unfold and you

684
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.599
don't expect it to be instantaneous, you can do all

685
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:16.840
of your unfoldment yourself.

686
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.800
Well, you heard it here. If you want to be

687
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.159
able to do this to yourself, Hannah, I heard the

688
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.639
Grapevine can help you, so reach out to her. We'll

689
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:27.920
add all of your links on our show notes. So

690
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.280
just go to skeptic a position dot com and go

691
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.840
to her episode page. You'll see her website link her Instagram,

692
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.960
her Facebook or TikTok. Every possible way you can reach

693
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.360
out to Hannah will have on there, so it's easy

694
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:42.559
for you to connect now. Of course, Hannah, I would

695
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.599
be again on one more time remiss if I didn't

696
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.199
at least say, do you feel anything coming through for

697
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.199
us or for anyone in our audience. If you don't

698
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.280
know worries, we can always edit this out. But I'm

699
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:56.679
just curious because you know you have the expert on

700
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:57.639
hand with us.

701
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.800
Okay, well let's give it a go. So straight away,

702
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:03.079
I'm aware of a gentleman in spirit here and he

703
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.960
feels like Dad to me. So I know that Dad

704
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:07.800
passes to the spirit world, and I want to talk

705
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:11.639
about him passing very very suddenly into spirit. I do

706
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:14.760
feel this is respiratory. There is a pain in the chest.

707
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:18.760
It's very fast breathing. I cannot catch my breath. I

708
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.559
move into spirit, and I know that that is sudden

709
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.679
and unexpected. And I know that it's unexpected because I

710
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.000
know that people are unable to say goodbye to him.

711
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:30.440
So I can feel him coming straight in with this

712
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.159
acknowledgment that this was missed, and I do want to

713
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.920
talk about the name Peter in connection with this gentleman.

714
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:39.079
So I feel that I've got a Pete or Peter

715
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:45.400
in spirit here. He would have passed in his early sixties.

716
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.000
Forgive me if it's late fifties, but it's around that

717
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.840
kind of age, and he would be a father figure.

718
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.719
So I feel like this is somebody's dad coming in here.

719
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:57.280
And I know that he has three daughters that he

720
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.679
wants to acknowledge and they would have missed his passing.

721
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.280
So if that resonates with anybody, that would be amazing.

722
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:09.519
Let me he's I feel that he passes at home

723
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:15.159
alone and is found unconscious. Wow, So that is okay,

724
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:16.760
I'm very aware of him.

725
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.000
If you are listening to this show right now and

726
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.480
this resonates with you, we would love to hear from you.

727
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.559
I know Hannah would love to hear from you. So

728
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:27.679
let us know, because that to us is fascinating.

729
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.320
Oh gosh, yeah, and so it's absolutely would you like

730
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:32.559
me to have go for one of you two?

731
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:33.519
Sure?

732
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:35.679
Yeah. I think probably the person that you would probably

733
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.760
connect with the most would be someone from Karen's side

734
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.119
of the family, because I still have a lots of mine.

735
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:47.679
Yeah, how get anyone that hasn't gone.

736
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:51.280
Let's not do an early warning anything like that never happens.

737
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:56.480
Just to be let me have look for you, Karen, right, Karen,

738
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.639
let me just we're going if you've got a grandma

739
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.559
and spirit here, Karen, that I want to acknowledge with you.

740
00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:06.079
You would understand grandmother that, yeah, okay, it's better when

741
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.599
i'll get with interactions. So I'm going to ask you questions.

742
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:11.400
That's that. Get ready, hold onto your hat. Okay. So

743
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:14.960
I've got grandma stepping forward here. Now, I do feel

744
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.079
that she's been in spirit for quite some time. I'm

745
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:20.360
looking at somebody that would have passed over a decade ago.

746
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.800
She's been gone. Would you understand that? Yeah? Okay? And

747
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:27.320
she is obviously joined in spirit by her husband who's

748
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.280
with her too. So you've got grandma and spirit and

749
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:33.800
her husband also there. Okay, yes, okay, let me just

750
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.519
feel into this, right. So these two would have been

751
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:38.920
together for a really, really long time. I feel that

752
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:42.079
they've been married for EON's We're looking at sort of

753
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.880
fifty years plus here for these two together. Does that

754
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:45.480
make sense?

755
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:46.199
It does?

756
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:48.920
Okay? Good, And she's also making me aware that she

757
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.920
would have left. You've got a ring of hers.

758
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:56.239
Okay, well no, but I have two different grandmothers in

759
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.039
the same situation.

760
00:40:57.920 --> 00:40:58.599
Yeah, that's fine.

761
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:00.320
One of them has a longer marriag and one of

762
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:01.159
them gave me a ring.

763
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:06.199
Oh bugger it. Let me just work out what haveing

764
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:15.079
this bear of me? Two sex okay, right, one of

765
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.280
them is married to a gentleman who wears a uniform.

766
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:19.320
Who would have worn a uniform? Do you understand this?

767
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:19.800
Yes?

768
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.639
Okay? Is that the one with the ring?

769
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:22.519
Both?

770
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:24.360
Yeah? Right?

771
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.000
I was very close with both of them, so maybe

772
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:28.639
they're both here.

773
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.199
Yeah. Sometimes I get battling the nuns. NaNs are the worst.

774
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:34.920
I'll be like this spirit though, it's just something that

775
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:40.000
they did. Right, this couple come in. I feel that

776
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:42.519
there's an acknowledgment here from them if they would have

777
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.360
been around you. I know this might be both, but

778
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.360
bear with me, we'll get more specific. This is how

779
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.280
it builds. So I can see that they would have

780
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.079
been around you a lot in your childhood. It feels

781
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:52.639
like you would have lived near them, you would have

782
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.360
been in and out of their house. It feels like

783
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:57.039
there's a real closeness in your family with them. So

784
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:02.119
regular contact does that make sense. Yeah, still showing me

785
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:06.360
this a ring? Okay, bear with me. I feel it

786
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.800
going onto my finger. It feels like it's important. She's

787
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.239
very stubborn in her but she knows something. She knows it,

788
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.119
and she's immovable in it, and I have to say

789
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.199
that with her too. Okay, Okay, bear with me one

790
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:19.360
sec right.

791
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:24.320
Would it have been her ring or a ring that

792
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:26.119
she gave me? Ah?

793
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:28.280
Okay, I don't know. I can just feel a ring

794
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.559
going onto my finger, So bear with me. As I

795
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:32.519
blend with them, we'll be able to get it deeper

796
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:37.840
and get a bit more information for you. Let me

797
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.239
have a little look here where I want to go

798
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:46.079
with her? Okay, right. I feel that there is a

799
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:48.880
photo in the family of these two together on their

800
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:52.320
wedding day, which is still kept and is sacred because

801
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:54.480
I can see them both standing there in time and

802
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:57.159
he would have won his uniform in the wedding photo.

803
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:58.199
Do you understand this?

804
00:42:58.719 --> 00:42:59.719
I don't know.

805
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.920
Okay, let me just get hold of them properly again.

806
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:18.360
Then right, there is a photo of the two of them.

807
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:20.920
They're stood stide by side. I feel like I want

808
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.480
to be in front of an archway I can see

809
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:25.400
them both, and I know it's important because I know

810
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:28.559
that's how they stand in front of me right here.

811
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:30.960
Let me just see what else she wants to show me,

812
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.840
and I'll build some power with her. There is a

813
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:45.920
right she's showing me a real connection with family tree.

814
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:48.559
Do you understand your grandmother really researching or looking into

815
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:51.920
a family tree? Because this feels important to her. She's very,

816
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.760
very proud of her family and her roots and knowing

817
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.000
the information, And I feel that this is something that

818
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.960
she would have spent time on. She would be shared

819
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:03.039
and talking about it. This feels important, And I do

820
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:07.639
want to acknowledge here that she's one of four? Is

821
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:11.079
it she? Is she one of four? Does she have

822
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:12.000
three siblings?

823
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:14.800
I think she had. I think she was one of four.

824
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:17.360
YE think it was four. I'm not one hundred percent.

825
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:20.320
Okay, you have to look and have a look for me,

826
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.280
because I feel that she's showing me this sort of

827
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:27.719
plotting backwards and alongside her. I can see four notches

828
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.360
on a family tree. So I want to acknowledge that

829
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:35.719
because there is a feeling of family being important, following

830
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:38.239
it back being important, And would you understand that she

831
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:41.360
had a sibling that passed many years before her, Yes,

832
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.320
like many years, because I feel that she's wanting to

833
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.719
acknowledge that they're together in spirit and this feels important

834
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:52.519
to her too. Okay. And do you understand a connection

835
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.559
with the name Mary or something that would sound like

836
00:44:55.639 --> 00:45:03.760
Mary in the family. I don't, Okay, let me just

837
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:05.719
keep going with what she showed me about the names.

838
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.599
Does the picture have to be a wedding picture because

839
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:11.559
there was no that was very prominent of my grandparents

840
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:13.719
in the living the fireplace?

841
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:17.159
Okay. Do you know if there was an archway behind

842
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.119
them in the picture or something that would be.

843
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.559
Maybe a fireplace below them.

844
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.119
Below them? Okay, I think there's something up here behind them.

845
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:28.760
It's really interesting how you receive it and you're trying

846
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:33.079
to perceive it. But let me just keep going here.

847
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.800
No, I need to interject for just quick quick second.

848
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.079
The whole merry thing in Spanish is Maria, right.

849
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:42.800
Yeah, I don't know, na Maria's I thought that.

850
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:46.920
Too, other than your cousins, your myriad cousins who all

851
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:49.199
have the name Maria.

852
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.239
Well, I was thinking of my grandmother's family, like her family.

853
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.239
Right, So what I was going to say to you,

854
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:56.599
because I think we went off on a little deep

855
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:58.960
here is. If you look back on the video, you

856
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.559
will see me going because I was trying to work

857
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:05.360
out she was taking me two generations below her. Okay,

858
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:06.920
so that would be right for cousins.

859
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:11.320
I'm not to say that.

860
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:15.719
Because I was going one her below her, one more

861
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.599
below her more, but.

862
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:20.880
They I'll go by their middle names. So that's why

863
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.280
I didn't think about that either Maria something and they go,

864
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:24.280
I'll go by the something.

865
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:26.679
And that's why I interjected, because it connected with me

866
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:28.400
right away, and I didn't want to let that go

867
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:31.599
because I know exactly I know which grandmother you're talking about,

868
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:32.880
Like I knew almost right away.

869
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:33.559
You know the picture.

870
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:35.119
I do know the picture, and I know I do

871
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.440
know the family and and everything you're saying to me,

872
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:39.280
and it's not even my family.

873
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.199
Well it is now the ring that she gave me

874
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:41.880
when I was seven.

875
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.000
Yeah, okay, So I could just feel the ring being

876
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:48.119
put on my finger, and I knew that was important. Okay,

877
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:55.079
let me just work with her, Okay. Now, she's got

878
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:56.480
a lot of love to give her.

879
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:58.760
She made a family tree thing that she sent out

880
00:46:58.800 --> 00:46:59.480
to other family.

881
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.360
Oh, I love it good and good. So I'm glad

882
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.360
that she's able to now. She is a lovely lady.

883
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:09.559
She is very loving family. I mean, I know she's

884
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:12.280
made a family, true, but she's also fiercely protective of

885
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:14.920
her family. But she could be very straight talking as well.

886
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:16.840
Would you understand this with her? So if you ask

887
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:19.400
her for something, she will tell you it how she

888
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:26.559
feels her opinion, no holds bard Does that make sense? Yep? Yeah?

889
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:28.960
And I feel like she's very much in charge. She's

890
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:33.920
got that matriarchy. Yes, she is the one that everyone

891
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:38.079
turns to. Her opinion counts and matters, and she likes that.

892
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:41.880
She's very, very proud of that energy within her. And

893
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:44.400
I do feel with your husband, your husband, her husband,

894
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:48.880
he is accommodating of that. He knows his place in

895
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:52.639
the pecking order, and he loves her. There's absolute love there.

896
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.920
I can see it. But she's definitely the one in charge.

897
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:55.840
Would you understand that?

898
00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:56.320
Yeah?

899
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.920
Good? Okay, because I feel that they're acknowledging that now.

900
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.079
Am I right in saying that he passes the spirit

901
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:08.559
before her? No other way? Yeah? Okay? So would you

902
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:10.280
understand there being about seven.

903
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:14.719
Years difference, it was within a year, both.

904
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.480
In a year. Okay, is it seven months? Then I'm

905
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:20.360
seeing seven the number seven? Do you understand what I'm seven?

906
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:20.800
Kids?

907
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:25.519
Oh? Okay, interesting? Let me I was definitely I was

908
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:27.480
saying it written. I thought it was seven years. Let

909
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:27.960
me just.

910
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:36.079
I think our bug is I want to say what

911
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:43.440
that was? Yeah, that's that's spirit saying, hey.

912
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:48.199
We're getting some phenomena.

913
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:52.400
Okay, so you have been incredibly gracious in giving us

914
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.119
all this information. We don't want to keep you on

915
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:56.519
the spot if you feel like there's still other messages

916
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:58.400
you want to bring fourth and of course, but but

917
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:00.519
you have been unbelieved obviously.

918
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:03.480
I know your timing. So I'm half aware of your

919
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.360
timing is because I'm trying to build that energy with that.

920
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:07.719
Can I just give you her message because I feel

921
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.960
like I always like to do that for the spirits

922
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:12.320
that bother to try and come in, because this feels

923
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:16.760
really important. You would also Karen have something with her

924
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:18.679
handwriting on. If you've got a card she wrote you,

925
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:20.760
r a letter she wrote you with her handwriting on

926
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:21.840
this feels important.

927
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.199
I have a cookbook that she's signed for me.

928
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:28.599
Okay, good. I just felt like she was acknowledging that

929
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.719
that you've still kept that because there is a real

930
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:35.400
sense of pride here and love here. And I want

931
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:37.800
to talk about her determination because I feel that she

932
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.719
was determined right up till the end of her life.

933
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:42.920
And she feels like the kind of person she was

934
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.679
very strong willed. Yeah, everyone thought she was going to

935
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:47.960
move into spirit, then she got better as she recovered,

936
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:50.280
then she went back into it and she there feels

937
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:53.840
like this sort of stalwart strength with her that I

938
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:58.599
just want to acknowledge for you here and bless he.

939
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:05.079
She wants you to know that she's okay. I feel

940
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:06.760
that this is important with her. She wants you to

941
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:09.760
know that she's okay, that she's around, that they have

942
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:11.840
found each other, that she has gone to all of

943
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.320
her family, so there must be family. Do you understand

944
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:18.199
her having family overseas or family she was separated from.

945
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:19.320
She's from Ecuadora.

946
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.360
Okay, excellent, because I feel that there's this feeling of

947
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:24.840
we're all together. Here we are. It feels like a

948
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:28.119
big family party of everyone reuniting in the spirit world,

949
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:31.679
which is really rather lovely to watch happened. And I

950
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:37.679
have to acknowledge that with her and you communicate with

951
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:39.840
her quite often, actually, don't you. You speak to her,

952
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:42.280
she's around you. She lets you know she's talking to you.

953
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.000
Every once in a while. Yeah, I just.

954
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:46.920
Feel like she's there. She's part of your life. She's

955
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.440
acknowledging to me that she is part of that. And

956
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:55.800
she is so very very proud, and she wants you

957
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:57.880
to know that she is very very proud. There's a

958
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:01.039
real feeling of love. She was the kind of person

959
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.239
that would tell everybody you're news and look at what

960
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.079
she's doing. Look at and she's continuing to be that

961
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.480
person in spirit. You're pulling in a cousin of hers

962
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:11.519
and say, look at her, look at what she's doing.

963
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:14.840
There's this real feeling of pride and strength. And I

964
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.159
just want to add in here that if ever you're

965
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.360
doubting yourself and worried about your abilities or needing a

966
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:24.840
bit of a push, she is the perfect spirit to

967
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:28.440
call on because she's such a strong presence. She would

968
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:30.880
just come in and push you forward. So if you

969
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.159
need her energy, just ask if she will get you

970
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:33.920
where you need to be.

971
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:37.760
Ah, you make me cry if that happens a lot,

972
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:40.239
So thank you.

973
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:41.840
Yeah, and then let me step in for a quick

974
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:44.599
second again, because I think you communicate with her a

975
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:46.559
lot more than you think, just by the fact that

976
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:48.960
you do your fingernails in an honor of the way

977
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.840
that she used to a very particular style. So I

978
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:53.639
think that you're a lot more connected than you think

979
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:53.920
you are.

980
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:57.599
Maybe yeah, yeah, she's just there.

981
00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:59.599
She's with you, there's no separation.

982
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:05.719
And this has been fantastic. You have quickly climbed the

983
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:08.239
ranks of some of our favorite guests, and we hope

984
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:12.719
that you will deem to come back someday because even

985
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:14.119
if it's off the mic, just because we have so

986
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:15.280
much fun talking to you.

987
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.239
They're really good. I hope it was okay, no worries.

988
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:22.800
I'm sorry if the leadiship was a bit clunky. I've

989
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.599
demonstrated to one hundred and twenty people last night, so

990
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:29.840
you too retired. I've exhausted. I wouldn't normally work for

991
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:31.199
three days following that.

992
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:35.199
So yeah, so like that.

993
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:37.199
No, it's fine, I'll give it a go. It will

994
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.239
work or it won't work. I am really passionate about

995
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:42.920
people understanding it's an imperfect art because I think in

996
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:46.079
all the editing that we have out there. It's you

997
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:49.679
have these expectations when you're learning that you're going to

998
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.559
be able to achieve the impossible, and when you start

999
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:54.159
doing it and you think, well, I'm not as good

1000
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:55.599
as that. And I got to know there and they

1001
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:57.519
didn't really understand that, and that took a while to

1002
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.480
get going. You think you're not doing good mediumship, but

1003
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:04.800
that is actually how it works. So I've got a

1004
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:08.000
recording coming out on my podcast soon where I've got

1005
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.079
somebody and I've got a birthday cake and I'm talking

1006
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:12.599
to them about a birthday cake. And I'm aware that

1007
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:14.760
there's a number one on the cake, but I never

1008
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:17.320
actually say it because I'm just aware that there's And

1009
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:21.159
she said so and So's first birthday, and I'm like, good,

1010
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:25.559
good god o caake. And I could see the number

1011
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:27.719
one candle, but I just thought that was my brain

1012
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:29.840
adding the candle. I thought I was just seeing the

1013
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:32.519
birthday cake. And that's important to talk about because I

1014
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:35.719
think when we're developing, we hold ourselves back with these

1015
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.920
expectations that it's going to be bum boom boom boom

1016
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:42.559
because we see so much edited mediumship. So that's what

1017
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:45.000
it's all about, you know, because there's a part of me,

1018
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.800
if I was absolutely honest, that would like to not

1019
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:50.679
put that podcast out or not or to edit that

1020
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:52.800
reading so it sounds better than it does. But that

1021
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:56.519
wouldn't be true. And I just feel it's so important

1022
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.000
that I leave the gaps. I leave the awkward pauses,

1023
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.320
I leave the bits where I lose my train of thought.

1024
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:03.280
I lose the bits, you know, like I was talking

1025
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.440
to your nan and I was aware of the Mary name,

1026
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:06.760
and I was aware of the dot dot but I

1027
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:08.559
never went back to the dot dot because we started

1028
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:12.000
talking about something else until Will interjected, Which is great,

1029
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.719
because that's what it's really like. You'll be doing meadiumship

1030
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:17.760
with somebody in your brain will bring up something, or

1031
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:20.880
this will happen, or somebody will move, the dog will bark,

1032
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.000
and you will think that you're doing something wrong and

1033
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:26.239
that there's this perfect state that you get to where

1034
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:28.880
it's so brilliant and you're so in alignment. But it's

1035
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:29.679
not true.

1036
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.440
Well, it's a true testament to what you're doing out

1037
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.039
there for people. So thank you for what you're doing,

1038
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.360
everything that you're going to be doing your show, how

1039
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.000
you help people to connect themselves, everything that you do

1040
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:42.679
is just wonderful, So thank you for doing.

1041
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:44.800
What you do, no worries. Thank you so much for

1042
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:46.320
having me. I've love chatting to you again.

1043
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:47.679
It's been so much fun.

1044
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:50.280
Absolutely been an absolute pleasure once again. If you want

1045
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:51.840
to connect with Hannah, all you need to do is

1046
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.760
go to Skeptic Metaphysition dot com, go to her episode

1047
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:56.639
page and you'll see all of the links laid in

1048
00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:00.599
there directly for you. Website, social media, everything, all the

1049
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:04.119
ways to connect with her. Anna, it's been fantastic. Really

1050
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:06.800
hope to see you again really soon because this has

1051
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:07.360
been wonderful.

1052
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:08.760
Thank you very much,