Enlightened Until Someone Triggers You

0:00 My name is Will and I'm Karen and unlike Moldor and Scully, we've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a Covenant witch's and wait, you joined a Covenant? Yep, all in the interest of fighting something that will prove that there's something beyond this physical, three-dimensional world we all live in. This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Hey there, welcome back to the Skeptic Metaphysicians live, the show where we can prove that you don't have to do metaphysics without wearing uniforms.

0:50 What? I'm glad that you got the memo. You wore the uniform. Oh! The requisite uniform for the Skeptic Metaphysicians today. It was red day. It was red day. It was red day. It was red day. I'm excited to be here with you today, Karen. I'm excited to be here with you today. Are you? Today and every day. And every day. I'm excited to be here with you. We are especially excited to be here with you. The question is, will you be here with us? That's the big question. Today we're going to be talking a lot about ego and shadow work and enlightenment. And all kinds of things. So, if you have any questions by all means, please don't hesitate to put those questions in the chat.

1:35 We'll be happy to answer any questions that you have for us. We may or may not be right, but we will answer. We will. Some sort of answer. There will be an answer. Yeah, that is for sure. Now, I need to find, because we're trying out a new system that we're no longer in a typical place. We have a different streamer that we're trying out today. And we want to welcome those of you watching us on Substack. It's nice to be connected with you. I know we are very fancy, but we're trying a new system. So please bear with us as we work out the kinks and the bugs and all those things, because we're bound to have a hook up. I'm getting my workout into today. Thank God. I think you're working out. You said we're working out. Pickups and bugs.

2:15 Yes. And she says, I have a bad joke. Well, you do. On top of that, we've also experiencing some very challenging internet connections today. I had an interview earlier with Carrie Helmingberg from the reality TV. She is a creator of medicine woman and the Soul Nectar Show. And we had to end it halfway, because my internet just dropped out. So if we disappear all of a sudden, you know why? It's not that we don't love you. We do. It's just our internet doesn't. All right. So I want to first put this up here so that you know what you're watching, because I know you might have a lot of question marks about what it is you're watching. If you just kind of stumbled on us, we are the skeptic musicians live.

2:58 We do this every second Tuesday of the month at 6 p.m. Eastern time. We love getting audience questions and comments. So if you are out there and you want to say hello, we would love to hear from you. Meanwhile, in case you didn't know who we were, we are well, Karen and Will. In opposite seats today. So we are the host of the skeptic musicians. If you don't know us, you should definitely look us up on your favorite podcasting platform. And before we go any further, I need to double check to make sure that we are actually going live. Then I'm not just talking to myself because I'm here. I mean, talking to me. Yes.

3:38 Well, there's no one more important to speak to. But we wouldn't be here. It would be somewhere else. Let me see if I can't find it where we would be. Anyway, Karen, tell me about your day. It was a beautiful day today. It was. I got to be healthy and drive to work in the sunshine and my little space heaters working at the office. So even though it's summer and 80 whatever degrees, I still had it on because it's the tundra in there. Really? Got to have a few meetings, interactive people, which is great because sometimes I'm just sitting there in front of my little computer and it gets lonely. So it's a good day. Well, I'm glad you had a good day.

4:20 I should probably get rid of our names because right now everybody knows who we are. But I think that that was all right. Yes. That was all right. So if you have any questions, please feel free to put them in the chat and we will add them to the stream as we go. Sorry, we need to be. We are. Yeah. You can see it. We're a little bit of a delay, but we're good. So Karen, I specifically want to talk today about ego. Before we sat down to talk, I go live. You asked me how my day was today and I said, you did. And that is because some big bosses are in the office this week and I had a one-on-one with the big, big boss today.

5:01 And I, well, I didn't really like how the conversation went. She's lovely. I just seem to be stuck. So to give some context, a little while ago, I started this job specifically about 14 years ago. And I had a lot of responsibilities a lot of responsibilities. And I loved it. Over time things have changed and now we're in a really weird place. We've had to reorganize about four times and every time it's been kind of a kick into teeth. And every time you turn around, there's another kick into teeth. And I've really leaned into my spiritual practice to keep myself in a good headspace.

5:45 And for the most part, I do well, except when I talk to people in the office. For some reason. And it's usually when it's someone in leadership position in the office, I find myself falling back into victim mode. I fall myself. I see myself falling back into ego and I don't understand why. And it's just so easy for me to say, everything is going wonderfully. Thank you for asking. Well, I think you've got a little PTSD at that location because there has been a lot. You've gone through a lot of stuff. And it went from this big organization where you had a really active involvement to you.

6:31 Yeah, I don't doubt it. I don't doubt that I have PTSD. But isn't the spiritual practice? The whole reason you're doing it is to get over things like PTSD, to rise beyond the physical ego needs, the responses, that need your responses that we have every once in a while, and somebody kind of frauds our way that way. Well, yes, but you have to realize it's happening because if you weren't in that situation, or someone was talking to you about work in the meetings, you wouldn't have realized that you had PTSD. Well, yes, but I didn't realize that I was acting from ego until it was over. The minute she walked out door my office, I went, "Oh, God, why did I do that?

7:14 Why did I say that? Why did I continue down that path that serves nobody? Especially not me." Well, it's a familiar path. You know, if you spent most of your life living one way and then even the last ten years, you start changing things, you still have a few more years than that. Yeah, but you think you've gotten to a certain level. You've done all the practices and you've done all the interviews and you've met all the people. You do the breath-bred practices and meditations every single day. And you think you feel like you're in a good place and all of a sudden without you realizing it, you fall right back into ego without realizing it. I could not have fared worse, I don't think.

7:59 I mean, I guess I could have. I could have gotten fired on the other spot, but it didn't. It was actually, it was a lovely conversation. It's just one that I'm sure she walked out of my office going, "Whoo, this guy is a victim. It's not a winner." I'm going to have to hear the details of that conversation. I don't know that there's really... They need to hear the details. I need to hear the details. So I guess the reason why I'm bringing it up, Karen, is because I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that feel the same way, that they've worked so hard to get to a certain level. They feel like they are, yes, they finally reach their enlightenment stage, only to find themselves all within just a flip of a switch right back into the 3D world, reacting in ways that are triggering and not from the perspective of everything is working for you, not against you.

8:54 So, how would you counsel someone that came to you with that kind of question, that problem? Well, I think I would say it's kind of like working out your spirit. It's kind of like working out your body. I mean, back in the day, I would go to the gym sometimes two or three times a day and I was eating healthy and I was great shape, but if you stop that and you're starting eating the crap or whatever, you're going to gain the weight back. So just because you did it all right at one point doesn't mean you're not going to have a slip up if you stop. Are you not paying your attention to my weight? Nope. I feel attacked.

9:34 Actually, I said my weight. I used to work out. That's why I have this nice tall table. Cover my belly. Yeah, it works very nicely, actually, to cover mine. Okay, so if you are out there, you're watching this or you're listening to this and you have gone through something similar and you have some words of wisdom, I would be more than welcoming of them as would I'm sure everyone else out there who is listening or watching this right now. So, go ahead and put your experience in the chat. We'd love to bring it up on camera and talk about it with you so that others can benefit from your wisdom as well. So, did you have an aha moment?

10:18 I did, but the aha moment was a harm still stuck. And so do you know how to get unstuck? No, that's why I'm asking. Oh, well, are you asking? Yes. That's the whole reason I brought it up is because I ain't asking. And are you asking me? If you have the answer, I'd love to have it. I don't have the answer. I don't. I think the answer is different for everyone. I think that we all have, like we always say, we all are heading to the same direction taking different paths. So, something that's going to work for someone won't necessarily work for you. And I think the fact that you realize that this is happening is actually a big part of the answer.

11:00 I agree. I'm sure that it is. I think that every time that you run into a wall. Yeah. You have an opportunity to look at it and go, why? And that's what I'm doing now right now on camera with a million of my closest friends. Or maybe you have the opportunity to say, is this really a wall? Well, it's so, I believe it's a wall that I keep hitting that I am forgetting I'm going to hit if I allow myself to act unconsciously again. So, I'm getting into a point where really my practice is about being present, it's being in the moment and being aware of what is happening inside every moment that I'm going through life and how I'm reacting to things and figuring out why and asking why am I reacting to them in this way?

11:59 What is it that is triggering me, this experience in me? What is it? Why? And how can I make that not trigger? Well, Brent Lloyd has an interesting comment that I can barely read from here, you're closer so you got to read him. Fred says, sounds like you might have a belief that no longer serves you is still in place. Absolutely, Brett. I 100% believe that is the case. I'm going to second, I should probably put that up on screen so others can see it too. Yes, thank you. Brett, thanks so much for the comment. You're right. Because there is a belief that is inside that I, I'm not sure what it is, that's what I'm trying to figure out. What is it?

12:40 What belief is there in me? I think it has to do with, like I said, ego, I think that it is a, I deserve better. I have worked so hard for this company and you're treating me poorly and I need to let you know. And I don't think, I honestly don't need to let anyone know. Okay, so then that's very much in the 3D and ego depending on which way it sounds to me, like ego, not just like the third, you know, our body's ego. For sure. For sure. So maybe you feel like your ego should learn the lesson and you're blaming your physical ego on that, but your spiritual one has not learned it yet.

13:23 I would think. So it keeps putting you back into that same position. I would posit, it's the opposite. I believe that the spiritual part of me understands it intellectually, but when it, when it's confronted with a situation that's similar, it reacts in a way that is very much rooted in the 3D, in the physical, in the ego. It just reacts as opposed to me saying, but what's reacting? Your spirit or your ego? My ego. Right. So that's what I'm talking about. Okay. And I guess we're saying the same thing, just different languages. So for example, yesterday our daughter had a situation. It was a situation. It was a quite a situation.

14:04 And Brett, thank you so much for the comment. Really appreciate it. And we needed to find a way to make it better for her as her parents. Right. So without going into too many details, our daughter had a... We don't need to go into any details, I don't think. No. How would you explain it? How would you talk about it then? I would just say there was a situation with a... The head player. And we needed to... Council. Her. Council her on that. Right. And so we were kind of stuck because it was a sticky situation. And so we tried to council her the best we could.

14:44 And at the end of the day when we were lying in bed, it didn't sit right with us. And so I actually opened myself up and said, "How should I council her? What are the right words that she should use to respond to the situation?" And before I even almost finished that thought, I had the answer. And that was to come at it from love. So there you go. If you look at that situation and you look at this work situation and you think about that we're all kind of working on our spirituality in this space. Well, I mean, a lot of us are. And I think maybe you're expecting because you do get these downloads, these messages, or these...

15:28 You make these connections quite frequently. I think you expect it all to be fixed. And when something isn't fixed, I don't know if fixed does not the right word. But you know what I'm trying to say. Yeah. I think you're right. I think I'm falling into the unconscious. On a day-to-day basis. As hard as I'm trying to be present in the moment, I take it for granted. And suddenly before I realize it, I'm no longer in the present. I'm more in the unconscious, like I was in this meeting earlier today. Well, I'm actually thinking that you're not giving yourself grace because of all of the steps and the changes that you've made and the growth that you've had and you're focusing on one area where you haven't quite made that growth yet.

16:12 But then you're saying you could just purely hadn't even had the thought come out and already you're getting the message. Okay. Yeah. So let me clarify something. I do know I've made huge strides. I realize that. And there are areas of my life that are far, far improved. Where I'm getting frustrated is in the places that I really have worked the hardest in that I'm still running into a problem that is in my career. And I think you're right. PTSD has a lot to do with it. That I am being confronted with something that professionally hurts my ego and I respond from ego.

16:57 Don't respond from love. And it's love for myself that I'm not responding from. Because the loving me after she walked out the door said all you need to do was say I'm grateful to have the job. I'm grateful to be able to provide for my family. I'm grateful that we were able to have our insurance so we could pay for some pretty hefty medical issues that we were had of late. I'm very grateful that I'm one of those that isn't out there still looking for a job after the latest round of layoffs. I am. I'm very grateful.

17:38 And yet I found myself saying, "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr." It looked to be funny when I did that, but I can't imagine why. So you know, you just have to still work hard that maybe worked differently. You know what I think I'm going to try adjusting off. I'm going to try just off the Gary and Christie's manifestation event. Oh. I think that might be helpful. That's a good idea. That was a very good event for me. It was very good. So. All right. Anyway, that's really what I wanted to talk about. At the end of the day, what I want you to get from this is that if you feel in the same place you are in the going through the same things that I am going through, like what Karen said, give yourself grace.

18:30 And lose your patience with yourself because after all we're all just human. At the end of the day, we're here to experience the highs and the lows. And we can't all be on a constant high all the time because how boring would that be? Oh, yeah. I don't know. That would be so bad. And yes, Will is professing that he is human. No, I don't think you can prove that. I'm sorry. I have to rewind the tape and see if I... I don't think I ever said I was human. But and yet you are. You are. You got the poke test. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, so how about this? Any miracles today?

19:13 Aside from the 333s and things like that, nothing of the... I mean, the miracle is that we woke up. The begin with. Well, that's true. That's the first miracle that we woke up. Second miracles, I woke up and you were still there. That was a big miracle. And another miracle was that the girl had no weird confrontations or anything happen. That's true. What about with you? See, now we talked about taking little coincidences that you see in life and thinking of them as miracles. So, and it's kind of funny because I was looking for a pen all over earlier, or just a few minutes ago. This has to do with a pen. And I was in a meeting and I had all these paperwork and I had to sit with this lady and kind of show her all the stuff that I looked at for her.

20:00 And I'm like, "I need a pen." And she's like, "I need a pen too." And she opened up her drawer and there was the pen. Nothing else in the drawer. She's like, "I wonder what's in this drawer because she hasn't even moved into the office yet." And there was the pen. Wow. That's what a little miracle. Yeah, it was kind of weird because she hasn't moved in yet. So, just a computer and a pen. But that's been happening to you a lot lately. A lot, yeah. Like finding paperclips when you need them without realizing them. Yes, that was very weird. I apparently office supplies are my connection to God. Yes. So, the paperclips story was, this is, it's a little personal talking about undergarments, but so it's a little undergarment among friends.

20:44 I know, right. If you're a woman and you like to wear racer back t-shirts or the ones that went to the back kind of goes like this, it doesn't work with a regular bra. Thank you for cracking right. And most people would either put on a strapless bra or get one that crosses in the back. I, however, am too lazy to be smart that way. So, I've learned that you can grab a paperclip and you just quickly stick it through one strap and slide the other one on it and voila, it works perfectly well. So, I was coming up to the office to get a paperclip and I come up to the stairs and I had just swept in there. It was all nice and clean. And so, I come into the office and I grab a paperclip and I'm sticking it in my shirt. And for whatever reason, it's just not sticking. And I'm like, what the heck? And right then, starting to go back downstairs, right then on the floor, I look and there's a paperclip on the stairs as I pull the paperclip out of from under my shirt and it's all bent up.

21:32 So, the paperclip was not there when I came up the stairs. And how, you know, like the universe knew I was going to need this paperclip. Before I knew, I was going to need the paperclip. So, put it right there. I pulled the thing out. I'm like, oh my gosh, hey, look at that. It's so beautiful. I think I just need to be more present because it's not happening to me anymore. You know, I'm in a weird place. Well, it's happening. You're just not seeing it. That's exactly what I'm saying. And that's the stuff. This happens to us all the time. And sometimes you just, we take it for granted or you just write it off or what a coincidence or whatever. But if you think about it, it's more than that.

22:15 And sometimes it's a paperclip, sometimes, you know, you don't even notice. Sometimes it's like the milk creamer, you know, in the hallway. I mean, there's little things that can happen all the time and you just kind of notice. Yeah. And I think actually, the story is like that. Help me to reframe. Oh, yeah. Remind me of things like that. So, if you are watching this right now, you have a story that you want to share about. Some miracle that happened to you that you noticed. Share with us because it will help me. So it's all about me, I draw. Someone say something about that. Yeah, it's not about me. It's. But, so the meditations that you have been having of late, I've seen you meditating every morning.

23:05 You've come home from taking our kid to the school. I come down from getting ready and you're already downstairs meditating. How have those been for you? You know, it depends. Like, today was not very good because I was too focused on the issue that we had last night. I wonder what was going to happen. And that's the time that I should take the time and really connect. Right. You know, it's like when you need it the most, sometimes it's the hardest to get. No matter what you do, you just can't quiet the monkey mind that I'm trying to breathe in and I'm doing the guided meditation, which usually I just listen to music. But I just could not get out of my head. And I get frustrated, but I have to realize that's okay. For whatever reason, it wasn't meant to happen today. So when it does, it'll just be that much more impactful.

23:45 Show it up. Well, that's the most important thing is showing up. Because your ego is trying to tell you every other reason why you shouldn't show up. Why you shouldn't do it. So I'm glad that you're doing it now again. Thank you. Now, there was a while that you were actually connecting. I was having some good connections and it wasn't that long ago. And it's the messages that you need to hear that are the ones that the downloads that you get. I think it was maybe a month ago. We were kind of talking about what's our purpose of being here. Why are we here? And we have some similar views. We have some different views. And what came into me was like our spirit is like a beautiful diamond.

24:28 And yes, we have all this knowledge. We have everything, but we come here just to create one more facet. Every time we come back, we create another facet and what that does is we don't get back into that diamond. It sparkles even brighter and glows even more and it's even more beautiful. Let me feel it. It's like what they say, the beauty of the diamond is in the flaws. Right? So therefore all the things are happening in life like my conversation with the big boss today. That just makes it better when I realize it and I. It's a reminder that as far as I've come, I still have a long way to go. So I am grateful for those reminders because otherwise I'd be going through life completely blind as I was five, six, seven years ago.

25:14 And you were not happy. Even now you're like, oh, this kind of sucked at work today, which yeah, but I think you're able to just say, okay, that was just a moment and take whatever you need to learn from that moment and move on. Well, and I think also I'm not real happy with the way I look and the way I feel. I'm very heavy and I keep talking to myself about going to the gym and I have every intention of going to the gym. But I end up not going. So I need to figure out why that is. Oh, right. We love you back. Thank you so much for tuning in. Keep up the beautiful work. Stay well. We definitely will. We will do our very best.

25:55 You also, please keep up the beautiful work and stay well because you're doing really important work in the world. So thank you for that. But anyway, so I'm not feeling all very, very good about myself. So I went out and I found someone who's going to talk to us on the show soon about Chigong. Oh, we haven't talked about that. We have not. Oh, good. Yeah. So Master Guru is going to come in and talk to us about Chigong and spiritual embodiment. Now, important is to get that energy flowing through your body. So I look forward to that because I really need it. I've never met Master Guru that I went to Dr. Gao in China for acupuncture.

26:39 Something magical about those G words. I know. Those G names. But so you stay tuned for that episode that will be coming out here in the next several weeks. But it should be interesting. What I love for him to do, although I don't think we're going to be able to do it, is for him to actually show us, like show us the movements, you know, but I don't know it's a good possible one for Chigong. But we'll see. We'll see where I can do. If you happen to be in the hamper in the area, no one who's doing Chigong or Tai Chi, I would love to know because I used to do it. Now I forgot all the movements and I used to love it. So anyway, what else can I remember? What else you want to talk about? Well, I was thinking about this. You know, we've talked to so many different people and so many different modalities.

27:24 And some of them have done work on us for us with us. There have ever been one that you were just like, holy cow. That was amazing. You could just go blown away. I mean, I know there have been. I'm totally putting you on spot to pick one right now. Now, let me go first. Yes, please. I can't go first. Do you know, can you read my mind? Do you know who I'm going to talk about? Breath of work? Nope. Oh, yes. The miracles. Miracles? Mm-hmm. Could be a name. Darn? Yes. I'm like, we've talked a lot about miracles. Darn Travedi. Darn Travedi says she's just a beautiful kind, kind woman who we interviewed for a while.

28:09 She and her husband actually, she's a guru. Or two, right? And they do blessings for people. And it's become their life work. I think she's based out of Florida and he's from India. And so together, they do these blessings. And she's so kind. And at the time that we met, I was going through some pretty serious medical stuff. And so, you know, she said, you know, I want to give you a blessing. And just out of the generosity of her heart, you know, so I said, oh, thank you. You know, you don't have to do that. I really appreciate it. She said, well, I'm not going to do it now, but it'll happen within the next couple of days. Well, I didn't really think a whole lot of it because it wasn't like an in-person I'm doing this.

28:50 It was just kind of like it's happening in a couple of days. I didn't know when. I kind of out of sight, out of mind. And then about a week later, I realized something. Now, for the last year and a half or so, I had been, I hurt myself in dancing. That's how old I am. I think it was the clogs I was wearing. I did like one of those days with my ankle, but I hurt my knee. And it was just kind of a constant reminder pain for like a year and a half. Not bad enough to go to the doctor for, well, I mean, maybe it probably was. But I didn't go to the doctor. So about a week after we met with her, maybe not even, maybe like three days, the pain was gone.

29:31 And it's never come back. And it wasn't like, it's feeling a little better. It's feeling a little better. It's natural healing process because it's been a year and a half and it's been at a level like four out of five for a year and a half. And then also the one day was just gone. So I firmly believe, and I talked to her about that and thank her tremendously. I do believe it was the blessing. Yeah. Yeah. I think that I am too much of a gym and I have to be able to pick just one. Well, how about this? Select one for today. Does it have to be the one? It can just be a one. Well, I think so. I'm hungry. I think for me, the ones that really moved me the most are the ones that are stories that help me to learn things like Jonathan Robinson, who was on our live, live skeptic musicians live last month.

30:31 Last month, yeah. His stories remind me of how to live. And I think those are the ones that really speak to me. People that help me to be present, the ones I really enjoy. I've tried the modalities. I'm incredibly difficult to read. Psychic readings are very difficult for me. They don't typically, they find me closed off. Not my choice. It just happens to be that way. I didn't know that. You never told me that before. Surprise. Yeah. So we have a message on. Do you want to challenge readers?

31:12 No, it just makes me feel bad after a while. It's just like, I don't give them anything. I don't like doing that. But we do have a message on subs, tack and for some reason it's not showing up on my board here. So I can't put it up on screen. But from Casey, oh my god, my eyes are so bad. Casey, I'm sorry, B-O-U-R-R-E-T. I apologize for, I didn't know that's the way to pronounce it. So I don't want to pronounce it. But they say, love you guys. I think I've gotten through every podcast now. Some multiple times. You have both been exactly what I needed over the last one or two years when I navigate my own personal journey. You have shown me pathways. And modalities I never even knew existed.

31:53 And it's been such a fun and amazing journey. Thank you in all caps. See, it's things like this that Casey's put on here that make me go, okay, I'm good. Yeah, and Brett. And of course, then Brett. But having. Gosh, I love that. Yeah, having these comments, that is what helps me to go, okay, okay, yeah, back on the path. We're doing good things for some people. And all we're doing is sharing our journey and inviting you to come along with us on our journey. And we're thrilled. We're honored to have you with us on our journey. So thank you for Casey for putting that on. Yeah, for the comments. And even for sharing that, that, just the energy that you took to write that, we get that.

32:34 We feel that energy. And it just is so uplifting. It's incredible. That's the best thing about all of this. It's just connecting with the people and. No question. You know, we had an episode not long ago from Lisa Campion, I think it was last week that talked about psychic energy vampires. I think in a way we might be psychic energy vampires because we actually, we put in a good way. Like we feed from like the good feelings of people that leave us messages and things like that. I like to think we send energy back. Oh, I hope so too. But you know, if I call you Casey, caring you. Oh my God. You nailed the pronunciation. Yes. No, for a nice. Okay. I'm glad she was like, and you pick.

33:18 Okay. I'm glad. Yes. No, but that case you thank you. You really, you've done wonders for my mood. So thank you so much for that comment. That's amazing. All right. So in terms of going back to your question about what really moves me, a lot of the conversations that we've had, it really depends on where I am. My mindset because sometimes we had a conversation with the gentleman who at the end of it, we always ask each other, so how was it for you? And you're like, oh, that was good. And for me, it was like, wow. And it wasn't anything major, but it was for some reason you, you connect with that energy with that, that message.

33:59 And I can't explain why, but it just happens. So it's not really a modality for me. It's more of a, the energy exchange that we have that moves me more than anything else. We have a message from Tony Rathman. I'm squinting. Tony Rathman, yeah, we've had him on the show. Tony says, loves the show. Always great topics covered. There is so much we don't understand and possibilities. We don't yet understand. Tony, you are one of the ones that know this better than the others. You are the gentleman who is speaking with those on the other side. So thank you for coming and thank you for your comment. Thank you for participating in the show. And you're right. We do have a lot of different topics and there is so much that we don't understand.

34:42 And I think that's probably probably part of the fun. It is. And you know, it's like, like we talked about when we kind of first started really getting into this and, you know, what are your thoughts on death? What are your thoughts on this? And some of these things, some of these different modalities that we've since learned about have seemed so far out there when you first hear about it, you're like, what? And then at the end of the conversation, I'm like, oh, I'm totally on board. I believe all of it. Yeah. And it is, it's not necessarily the words that they're saying. But again, the energy, the feeling that that connection, something that I think that you're connecting on a higher level so you get that understanding. Definitely. I took up my hands a lot. I do as you do. I feel like I'm going to be knocked out in you.

35:23 You might be. But to your point, I think that's the point. I think that at the beginning of this journey, I was always trying to find the answer. And now, if I find myself in love with the question, I think that's the most fun about it. The fact is, we're never going to know on this lifetime. We won't know until we cross over. It just reminded me of like, binging the show. It's like you love the next episode. Then what's going to happen now? What's going to happen now? What's going to happen now? You keep wanting to go and find out. And then, unfortunately, at the end of the show, it's over and you're like, so disappointed. Well, this show, I mean, not necessarily our show.

36:04 Right. This metaphysical show will never end. Right. So that's exciting. That's the best show to binge. So I guess that's the point is enjoy the ride. Enjoy the ups and the downs because we're here to-- Maybe you just told yourself the lesson from today. 100%. I just, it's exactly. Tony, thank you so much for the comment. If you haven't seen, listen to Tony's episode on the Skeptic Minimizations. We urge you to run and get that-- he's a creator of static comment. He's like a phone to the other side. And he actually-- So cool. It was so cool. He brought clips and he played them on the show. And it was like, whoa, you can absolutely hear these things from the other side.

36:47 It's not like a typical-- that could have been this in the static somewhere, but it's a different technology that isn't connected. So there's no static involved. So it's pretty amazing. So we really love that show and we would urge you to go check it out because it's really good. You know, one of the things that I love about doing this is a lot of the stuff that used to be scary just isn't scary anymore. Right. You know? It's like literally opened up so many layers and-- Yep. Probably different. Yep. Tony's building the static-com for. What is static-com for? Oh my gosh. We're going to have to talk to Tony if I'm not like that.

37:29 It is. Yeah. It would be a holographic image of your dear departed person. So yeah, that's exciting. Tony's static-com for. I remember it. I know that the one that you shared with us on our show was pretty-- it was very impressive. I can only imagine what static-com for. It's going to be-- it's going to outdo Zoom. Any I can already feel it. I can already feel it. Wow. That's your bar, Zoom. I mean, isn't it everyone's bar? I think there are some other dimensional beings right now just looking at you going, oh, well. Right. If there are other dimensional beings looking at me right now, they already know how I am. So they expect that to be the case. That's true.

38:09 That's true. But yeah, so I think back to the topic at hand, that is the point of our experience. It's to experience the highs and lows. So even though I was all crummy because I had a bad day at work, I still am trying to-- at least this part I've learned, at least I'm trying to give myself the grace to say, it's all part of it. So it doesn't take me out for a week like I used to. It is part of the experience. I can't be upbeat and positive all the time. No, because then you would be me now. Sure. Anyway, I am appreciative of all of you who are tuning in.

38:54 Who are sending us these messages? Oh, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but we changed the graphics. We changed the look of our show. We love to get your thoughts. This is what it looks like now, right? This is our new show poster. I think it looks like a movie poster. I think it looks like a movie poster. And it also looks like we're ice skating. And I've always wanted to be a good ice skater. Well, I didn't think of it as ice skating. It looks like it's ice. It's beautiful. I love it. I'm absolutely in love with it. Love to get your thoughts on it. Do you like it? Do you like the other one better? Can you ice skate? I can. Nope. I mean, I try, but I end up on my butt more times and not. But I think it looks more modern.

39:34 And I think it brings the show to a different level. So I'm very pleased by it myself. Yes. Well, now let me see if I can get it back out. Oh, there we go. All right. Casey loves it. Thank you, Casey. Yay. We're excited that you love it. I'm glad. You know, I do these things. I say, hey, Karen, a team to show graphics. As you go, what again? What? Yeah, I should probably consult with my partner on these things before I do it. But I just fell in love with it so much that I just I couldn't not change it. Are you for making a lot of changes? I have. But not just not just to our show. Well, that's what I mean. To new reality TV. Yeah. If you've not checked out new reality TV in a while, we'd love for you to go check it out and let us know what your thoughts are.

40:18 We did redesign it completely. Different colors. It's a different feel, different layout of the platform. And more importantly, all of the episodes, all the show artwork has been upgraded as well. So it all feels much more professional, I think, in my estimation. Yeah. And it better reflects our mission. And we also have the second annual magazine up there. And it also has a big improvement on the first one. Yeah. And the goals that our content creators have have written that are just really, really interesting. Yes. New reality magazine. It is up on the platform. I would urge you to go check it out. There's a lot. Second volume.

40:59 But both volumes are up there right now. But volume two specifically is breathtaking. The coverage itself is amazing. And then the articles are wonderful. If you haven't had a chance to read those, we urge you to do that because they're really good. A nice job on that, Karen. Thank you. And this is for baby. And there's so much great content on there from people that really, I mean, their whole purpose is to help people. And it's just, it's such a lovely community. Talk about high energy. So yeah, check it out in new reality tv.com. And hey, if you have a video content that you'd like to share, let us know. We'll check it out. Definitely. I'd love to collaborate. Just collaborate. Just collaborate. Co-create.

41:39 So thank you. Co-something. Love to go create with you. Yeah. So we are always looking for content partners. The platform is meant to be a place where you feel people can feel safe to go to. It's not meant to trigger. We prefer to stay away from fear-based content. We prefer to stay away from divisive stuff or political stuff. It's just a safe place for you to go and know you're not going to be served anything that's meant to trigger a fear response. There are some shadow work content on there. But all in the interest of improving and getting better. When we first started the conversation, we talked about my own shadow work, my ego thing, that was having work. All in the interest of working through it, why is this happening?

42:21 What am I supposed to learn from it? How can I move forward beyond it? Same general things. So I'm currently all the content is free. So you don't have to pay anything. You just get on there and pop around and watch the different shows, get to know the different content creators. And hey, we are on Roku and Fire TV too. It's great. If you are on Roku or Fire TV, just search for new reality TV. I think sometimes you have to put in the dot com. Sometimes you don't. I'm not sure. But you'll find us there. You'll see the logo and you'll see all the content there as well. It's pretty cool. I think it's pretty cool. The broadcaster is there. The on-demand stuff is there. I really enjoy it. I'm watching now on my TV all the time. Because-- And that's how we learned to get a little further away from the camera because our TV is big. Oh, God.

43:02 And we saw us on it. We're like, oh, no one is seeing me that big. And you make it not high death. I look better with a little bit of a blur. That's what I do without my glasses on. So I can forgive myself and then watch my someone TV and go, oh, God, no, what am I thinking? No. What else, Karen? What else is on your mind? Well, I was thinking about when we were kind of talking about the energy and what we get out of doing this. I don't know if a lot of people know. I mean, if you've listened to a lot of episodes, you might know this already. But there was a time there when we actually were looking to stop to sunset the skeptic manifestations.

43:44 And that's because, well, he does all the work. I just kind of show up and talk. I think God she does because she-- Without her, the show is nothing. No. But it was taking so much of our family life away because you get home from work. And then this is, you know, either they were making, you know, interviews or having interviews. But then there's the editing and all the stuff that takes a long time. So I got to the point where it was really, you know, he was missing out on a lot. And so we thought, okay, you know, he'd originally kind of done this to kind of work through a crisis he was having and he was, you know, feeling good about things. So right before we shut it down, you know, we're like, let's just-- I wonder if anyone's even listening.

44:25 So we Googled it. And we were not big podcasters at the time and didn't know that Apple had like this whole review site and we found like multiple pages of reviews. And you know, we were kind of reading them and people had taken time out of their day to like go on there to write paragraphs about our show. I mean, fortunately they were all good. There were no bad paragraphs. But the very last one that we read, you know, this guy was kind of talking about how he can't talk to his family about this. And it was very heartfelt. And the last thing he said was, thank you for helping me feel normal. And Will and I just kind of looked at each other and were like, gosh, if we're helping one person, we can't stop this.

45:07 And then fortunately, the universe did what it does and it dropped some software into Will's lap that cut his editing time down to like a third. So it was kind of a win-win. We were still able to continue the podcast and we were also able to have that family time. Yeah. A little miracle right there. Yeah. That's some behind the scenes look at what happens at the Skepting and Resitions. Maybe you might not have known that. So at the end of the day, I think the learning thing, the learning, the moral to this story. The learning thing. Yes, the learning thing. It's been a long day. It has been a long day. And we still have more to go. We've got our meeting here in 15 years.

45:50 That's right. And at some point, I have to make dinner. Oh, at some point. Yeah. But I think the moral of this story is enjoy the ups and enjoy the downs because in the downs are the opportunities for us to learn so that the ups are better ups and they have been in the past because you can't have night without day. You can't have man without woman and you can't have Skeptic and Resitions without you. So we wanted to say thank you so much for watching, for tuning in, for engaging with us. For being a part of our community, we are really completely honest, sincerely.

46:32 When we mention to you how much your comments, your engagements, your emails, your voice mills, your reviews, all that, all that interaction, you have no idea how much it means to us. We really want to say thank you for being a part of it. And I talked about how we kept the podcast because we were helping one person. And actually, all of you have helped us tremendously. Thank you. Thank you. We are very grateful and we truly love all of you. Yeah, we do. I guess we're going to say goodbye now. We want to say thank you once again for tuning in. We will be back again next month, every second Tuesday of the month at 6 p.m. Eastern time.

47:15 If you have any questions or any comments or you want to share your stories, you don't have to share it online. No worries. We'd love to see it. We'd love to read it. Or if there's any interviews or modalities you'd like to explore, we can do our best to try to find those. Absolutely. The best way to get a hold of us is skepticmanivision.com. There's a little tab on the right hand side that says send us a voice mail. We would love to hear your voice. We might actually play it on the show. We'd love to do that. So if you feel called, we'd love to hear your voice. If you prefer not to leave your voice, but rather send us a voice mail, you certainly can do that. And of course, if you haven't checked out your reality in a while, all you need to do is go to reality.com.

47:58 You'll see all the content there. It's all meant to be in the interest of helping raise the consciousness of a planet. So we really do appreciate you very much. We hope that you will be with us again next month. And until that happens, we say now. Thank you. Thanks, Tha. Take care. My name is Will. And I'm Karen. And unlike Moldor and Scully. Both want to believe. So we've embarked on a journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a covenant with you. And, wait. You joined a covenant? Yup.

48:38 All in the interest of fighting something. Anything. That will prove that there's something beyond this physical. Three-dimensional world we all live in. This is the skeptic metaphysicians. [MUSIC] [BLANK_AUDIO]