Why Every Healing Modality Eventually Stops Working: The Identity Shift That Finally Makes It Stick | Dr. Darren Starwynn

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- Karen. - Yes.

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- What if every healing modality that you have ever tried

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worked exactly as advertised,

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but that's precisely why none of them stuck?

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- Well, I was originally gonna say

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I would be the healthiest person in the world

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'cause I've tried just about everything.

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- And yet you may not be.

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- Maybe they can't slay each other out.

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- Well, today's gas is a 30 year,

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30 year Oriental Medical Doctorhood invented

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an FDA-cleared medical device,

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trained across three institutions and spent decades

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watching patients get genuinely better,

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and then watching them reload the exact same pattern

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six months later, like nothing happened.

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It's conclusion, the technique was never the problem.

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The problem is that you're running a brand new healing protocol

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on a completely unchanged operating system.

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He calls that operating system your identity.

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- I need an update.

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(laughs)

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- And until that shifts, your identity shifts,

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he says that you're not healing you are only buffering.

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Karen, this man also grew up Jewish, incognomated,

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and now gets regular transmissions from the Spirit of Jesus,

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which honestly tracks for this show.

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- It does.

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- Skeptic Red Physician starts now.

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My name is Will. - And I'm Karen.

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- And unlike Mulder and Scully,

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- Both want to believe.

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- So we've embarked on a journey of discovery.

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- We've talked to people deeply entrenched

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in the spiritual and metaphysical world.

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- We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.

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I even joined a covenant which is.

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- And wait, you joined a covenant?

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- Yep, all in the interest of finding something.

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- Anything.

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- That will prove that there's something

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beyond this physical,

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- Three-dimensional world we all live in.

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- This is the Skeptic Medificions.

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- Hey there, I'm Will.

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- And I'm Karen.

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- Welcome back to the Skeptic Medificions the show,

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where we take your spiritual progress seriously,

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even when your own subconscious clearly doesn't.

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Darren Starwin is a rare double threat,

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a credentialed Oriental Medical Doctor who invented an FDA

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cleared microcurrent device in 1988,

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ran a 27 year clinical practice

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and wrote the definitive textbook

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on microcurrent electroacupuncture.

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- Oh.

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- And a man who eventually walked away

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from that entire empire after a spiritual breakdown,

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sat with shamans in Guatemala

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and came back with a completely different operating system

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for healing.

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Now his core thesis, I know you are in awe.

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- I am.

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- His core thesis, which is the reason that he's here,

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is deceptively simple.

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See, healing fails not because of the wrong technique,

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but because it never reaches the identity layer.

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He calls that deeper layer the avatar self.

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And after 30 plus years watching patients improve

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and then relapse, he now treats identity

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as the organ nobody is treating.

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Welcome to the show, Darren Starwin,

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how are you doing today?

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- Well, I'm already having fun.

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And what I liked earlier is when you said

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this 30 year old Oriental Medical Doctor,

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are you just gave you a whole new lease on life?

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(laughing)

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- So what I meant by that is that you have been

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a medical doctor for 30 plus years.

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- No, that's not me.

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- By the way, otherwise you would have started

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when you were like two.

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- Super smart.

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- Yeah, super smart.

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- Well, be that.

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- Right, absolutely.

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- I'm here already to change back to its old color.

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(laughing)

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- So you reach a plateau and with a grain

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and also when you come start coming back

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and then start getting there.

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Hey, I'm looking forward to that day.

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- I would take that.

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(laughing)

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- All right, Darren, so I've got so many questions.

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I don't even know where to start,

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but I'm gonna try to start with the fact

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that you spent 27 years as a practicing clinician

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with a real FDA-clear device, not a metaphor for healing,

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but an actual machine that got clearance in 1988, right?

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Now for our audience who may not know

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what a micro-current electroacupuncture actually is,

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give us a quick version.

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What does the acutron do?

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- But first, for will, does it hurt?

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(laughing)

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- That's the most important question, honestly.

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- Yeah, the thing about needles.

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- Actually, that's one of the claims to fame of the acutron

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is you don't even feel anything on the at all.

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- Oh, I'm in.

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- Ooh, all right.

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There's hope for you.

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- So what it is, it's some people called the magic machine,

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some people have called it an acutron or micro-current system,

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but it uses very gentle electrical currents

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that match the natural frequencies and energies of the body

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to accelerate healing, relieve pain,

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and even remove wrinkles from the face

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and make people look younger.

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So it has a little...

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- Oh.

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- It also...

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- And suddenly, Karen's interest just beats you.

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- I'm carrying up now.

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(laughing)

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- I don't think, listen to it, you need it.

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- It's 'cause I'm blurry.

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- I do that on purpose.

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Move around a lot.

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- Oh, good, me.

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The other thing that we eventually discovered it could do

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is treat acupuncture points without needles

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and sometimes even more effectively than needles

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'cause my background was as an acupuncturist

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and Chinese medical doctor.

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And then eventually, as we went further,

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I found that the same device could balance chakras,

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which is something that became tremendously interested

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in which I hope you talk about whether...

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- Yeah, if it can, so those are.

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- Wow.

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So you could do the electro-current acupuncture

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without needles.

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- How?

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- Well, this device that I made had lawns that you,

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like probes that you'd hold in the hand.

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and we'd put in frequencies of electricity

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or we had light therapy too.

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So different colors of light that we found

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would have really significant healing

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and rejuvenative effects.

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And so it worked on many levels.

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Frequency, there's an electrical stimulation,

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there was light.

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And then of course eventually I realized the biggest driver

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was the intention of the person using it,

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which is why I'm not in that business anymore.

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I realized that I could kind of cut out the middle man

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of the physical devices and work right

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with the magic of intention.

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And that's where quantum healing came in.

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- And I didn't want to burst Karen's bubble,

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but the fact is he's no longer involved with the acutron.

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- But rather, I mean, I guess he kind of is.

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- If there's an easier, better way.

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- But the thing is that it seemed to always come back,

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the problem always came back.

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So the reason why I ask you about your micro-acupuncture

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device is because, I'm sorry, electro-micro-current

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electro-acupuncture device is because I just wanted to set

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a background for the conversation

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because you had this very successful,

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I mean, this thing was almost miraculous, right?

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The results of you got a pinch nerve,

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cleared and less than two minutes.

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- Oh my gosh.

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- People going with the pain levels,

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going from 10 to two in like 15 minutes,

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I mean, it's just amazing is sounding.

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And yet you walked away.

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There must be a massive reason for that.

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What is that reason?

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Why did you walk out?

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- Well, I'm glad you're getting right

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to the deeper part of this conversation.

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- That's what we do here at the show.

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We get right into it and then we'll go back

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and we'll go to the floor later.

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- If not messing around here, all right?

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(laughing)

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Well, Cam, I've discovered that one of the greatest drivers

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of my life and people I work with is purpose.

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Is that there's, we have our minds and personalities

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and let's say those are programmed to want certain things

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or to value certain things and have a certain identity.

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And you mentioned or identity a lot,

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that's something I surely wanna talk with you about.

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But then we can call your soul

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and then there's something even beyond your soul

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you can call your divine self or your I am presence.

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And so I think what happened to me is that my soul,

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basically had a stern talking to with me.

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In fact, I actually had an experience

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during a schematics ceremony that Jesus came and talked to me.

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And again, I grew up Jewish with no belief in Jesus.

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It was just something I heard about

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that the other people, you know,

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is all I'm pretty good or something.

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But he actually came to me without me

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any previous belief system and actually kind of told me

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the road that you're on right now,

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you're having this success in all that

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but that's not fulfilling what your real purpose is.

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And so you're just gonna kind of be in this decline

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like a slow death really.

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If you keep doing what you're doing,

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you have something a different calling,

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which is to train other healthcare professionals

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and modalities how to go to a higher level of their work.

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Because people need that higher level now

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more than the symptomatic relief.

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So in a sense they kind of kick my ass, you might say.

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(laughing)

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- How did you know it was Jesus?

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- You know, the beard and the robes by the way.

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- That's a great question.

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It wasn't so much that I saw it visually,

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like some people claim to, it was just a total no.

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Like I just felt this vibrational energy

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and he sort of said in my own head that this is Jesus.

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And I have this deep relationship with you already,

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whether you realize it or not.

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And it did not inspire me to become a Christian.

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I didn't go join a Christian church.

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It just, he kind of took me when I called Christ consciousness,

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which is not part of any religion.

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It's just universal time.

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- And that might be the better way of saying is that Christ,

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consciousness kind of came to you.

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Because of the fact of matters Jesus,

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the man I guess was Jewish.

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- It was.

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- So to me it makes perfect sense that he would appear to you.

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But. (laughing)

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- So just a finish answering your question.

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So that message that came to me is why, you know,

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left behind, I kept doing it on some part time level,

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but I took my focus off that and just started really exploring,

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how do I get myself to that level

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where I can do that type of teaching?

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So that's really where that big shift happened.

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- Wow, and that's, I mean, that's a lot of trust too,

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to go from this really successful thing

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that you've created that's working

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where it looks like it's working to changing everything.

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Wow, that's impressive.

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I mean, that's, I guess when you know you know

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when you have that knowing, and haven't had that knowing yet.

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- Well then let's get even further into the meat of the thing.

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This Christ consciousness, Jesus came to you

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and said you have a higher calling.

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You move away from the device.

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So what is it that you were meant to do?

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I know you went on a shamanic journey for a while,

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you had a spiritual awakening.

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What led you to where you are now and where are you now?

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- Yeah, thank you.

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I am manifesting myself as an avatar.

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As an awakening avatar, an avatar in progress,

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a work in progress avatar, I guess is a good way to put it.

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And I want to find that term right in front.

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It's very important to this discussion.

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- Right, it's not some blue people in a strange planet

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that we're talking about.

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- Not that, it is also not icons on a video game.

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- Well, the original meaning of avatars is a Sanskrit word

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that means descent.

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And what it really is talking about is the divine God source,

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whatever you want to call it, focusing itself

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into a human being to do something in the world,

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or some purpose.

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And so I don't feel like I'm special in being an avatar.

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I feel like all human beings are potentially avatars

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is just you have to wake up to it.

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You just have to get them to realize that that's the case.

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And then there's a lot of system update

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that has to go in your nervous list of that,

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has to happen to be able to, I guess part of it is,

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I'm still me, but I'm able to hold a different frequency

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in my field more of the time than I used to be able to do.

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And different abilities have opened up

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in me that I didn't use to have.

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- Okay, we're gonna have to dive into those,

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but how does someone get to that point though?

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'Cause everyone can become an avatar,

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but how can Karen become an avatar?

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- Well, I want to know that one avatar,

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I just showed up here that, you know,

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it's just came to visit, so I--

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- For those are only listening to the show,

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I'm like, "Kitty Cat, show it up on camera, just have."

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(laughing)

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- Anyway, that's a great question.

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I love the question, how can people become an avatar?

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It's by being who you really are already

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and releasing the old fake programmed identities and fears

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and what I call, actually let you use the term,

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the slave self that most of us grow up in,

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whether we realize it or not.

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Like I love that line from the movie, The Matrix,

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where Morpheus gives Neo the pill, she likes the red pill

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and he says, you know, you're gonna wake up from this dream

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and he says, "What's the dream?"

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He said, "You don't realize you've been a slave

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"and you thought you were a free person,

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"this will show you what you really are."

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So that's a great image that a lot of people have seen.

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- Probably one of my old happy movies.

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- Yeah, so what was it like when you started

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to have that realization?

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- Chaotic.

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- I can imagine.

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- Just observing.

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(laughing)

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- Really, like this is, there's a lot that people go through

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when they're in a awakening process and a lot of it

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can be very scary and unsettling and brings up a lot of doubts

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and actually what happened is I went through a period

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where my health declined a bit and so I went to England

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and found this doctor John Whale who you put in that

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research academy, who actually was an expert

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on shifting energy thing called the assemblage point.

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And so I started with a lot of different people,

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my personally, by thinking for whoever else is listening

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to this who's wondering how you become an avatar

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is follow your heart is just listen to that deeper voice

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that maybe you've discounted as thinking,

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"Well, that's not realistic or that's too idealistic

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"or I'm not good enough for that."

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And realize you are, you're even more than you think you are.

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- That's the hard thing.

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Trying to, sometimes you hear those thoughts

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and then you're like, "I'm making that up."

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That's just wishful thinking.

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How do you, how did you just realize,

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"No, that's not wishful thinking,

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"that's the actual truth?"

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- Well, I think one thing that's really helped

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has been being a healer because by actually working

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with other people, 'cause I've been in the healing arts now

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since the 1980s, you know, you saw,

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mostly as an acupuncturist and energy medicine expert

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and all these things.

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And when I started working with the clients

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using some of these things that I now quote, "quad and healing,"

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I saw some shifts that I couldn't explain

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that I couldn't ever saw before,

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just with the work I did before,

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that were more profound and people had more life-changing

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experiences more than me just helping them feel better

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for a while.

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And I started attracting people who had much more serious,

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heavy-duty issues that would have terrified the,

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the Jesus oughta be, or rare.

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And I was found that without me doing that much,

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or even doing less, a lot of them were getting better.

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So there was some kind of healing field

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that I started experiencing,

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but I knew that it wasn't really part of me,

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it wasn't coming from my mind or my skills,

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it was just something that I was able to tap into.

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I think that's one of the biggest things, really,

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Karen, that actually made me start understanding this

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is seeing changes in other people I was working with.

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But the changes had to have stuck, right?

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Because you saw a huge changes with the acutron,

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but things kind of bounced back.

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Now you're, if I crack me if I'm wrong,

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but the research I did showed that perhaps

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the things you're doing now are much more long-term solutions

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versus what the acutron used to deliver.

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Is that fair?

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- Not it, I want to clarify that a little bit.

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It's not so much like I have a better modality

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that has longer lasting results.

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I feel like my focus has changed

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from being a clinician who helped people

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with their symptoms and their issues

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to helping them transform as people,

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like awaken themselves to more of their self.

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And that, it's through that awakening processor

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and clearing a lot of old, heavy stuff they've been carrying

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that the healing inside of them.

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Like I believe there's a master healer energy

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that every person can tap into directly

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without other doctors or priests or, you know,

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and without me, they have that within them,

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but they don't believe it,

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or they have too much mental chatter to tap into it.

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So I feel like more and more doing,

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like there's an old saying,

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if you give somebody a fish, they're satisfied for one day,

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but if you teach them how to fish, they can, you know,

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- Giverful.

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- Yeah.

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So then you went from healing the body,

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to healing the soul, the spirit kind of thing.

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- Something like that, not exactly healing the spirit

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for getting people more embodied with their spirit, I'd say.

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- And they could heal themselves.

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- Yeah. - Yeah.

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So are we talking about the spiritual awakening here?

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You helped them to awaken spiritually?

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- That's definitely one way to describe it, yeah.

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- Okay.

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I love doing that.

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- Don't.

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- Don't know what?

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- You're gonna ask about astral projection again.

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- No, no, no, I'm not.

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No, although I do, I have questions about you.

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Said you had some skills that came to you,

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but we'll talk about that in a second.

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I wanna really clarify what we're talking about here,

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because if you're talking about a way to help others

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awaken spiritually, that is a massive shift,

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and it's a much needed thing these days,

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but you mentioned when you had your spiritual awakening,

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you were going through the process of becoming an avatar,

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it was chaotic, and the body language,

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the energy that I got was like,

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"Oh boy, this was not a fun thing."

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You're asking a lot of other people

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to go through the same thing, yeah?

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- Well, the truth is most people are going through

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somebody unpleasant things already.

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It's not gonna make it any worse.

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It actually makes it better.

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It's just that, it's more like what happens.

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It's not that people suffer more

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when they go through spiritual awakening.

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It's just that you have to go through a wall of fear

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and avoidance that it initially can seem like,

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"Whoa, I'd rather just stay with the suffering."

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I know then.

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(laughing)

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- Yeah.

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- My the sense of control I have over things with my ego,

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but it actually life gets better and lighter

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and more joyful.

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There's still a lot of challenges,

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because the human race is going through huge challenges,

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and none of us are separate from that.

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The human race is a collective pain body

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that we're all working through.

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That's really heavy right now in some ways.

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So I feel like it's misleading to say

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that spiritual awakening is really painful.

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It's just going through these membranes of fear

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and avoidance that are temporarily very discombobulating.

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Once you go through it, then things lighten up.

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So my clients I work with, even every session

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I see that happens.

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There's a point where there's something

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that's resisting something that is chaotic for them

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and then if I'm able to support them and guide them

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and they open up their own interknowing,

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then they feel way, way better and relieved and lighter.

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They always say, "I feel lighter."

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That's what they all say in the session.

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- So all these interviews,

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I've never asked this question before.

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It's like slightly off topic, but not really.

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So after you go through this experience

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and you become awakened

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and you have these wonderful abilities

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that you're teaching and that you're sharing,

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is it hard just to be stuck live in here

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in this 3D form?

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- Well, it's less hard than it was before.

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Another whole thing about awakening is that

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you're more in touch with your true self

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and the sense of deep fear that almost everybody lives with

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whether they admit it or not starts lessening.

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So that's a beautiful thing.

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And yet it's a, I guess it's a proxious.

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It keeps, there's many, many steps and layers of it.

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But what I find is that,

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and I love that question

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because it makes me go into my heart more.

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What I feel is that, yeah, I'm in this world

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with all these problems,

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but I have something I can offer.

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There's something I can do to help make it better.

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And that's what drives me.

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Not that I personally am in the save of the world,

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but I'm a piece of the solution by me

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holding this consciousness

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and then helping to catalyze other people to do it.

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I really deeply believe that's what is gonna change the world

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more than a lot of other things people are looking at.

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- Right.

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So you mentioned that you, the process resulted in you having

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these different skill sets or abilities.

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And I think it's a Hindu tradition

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or forget what tradition it is, but they say that the,

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the things that you're able to do after you are going to this process

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are more like a distraction that sometimes they're kind of annoyed

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by being able to levitate or,

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- Oh, I see it, right.

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- Bialocate, things like that,

519
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where the focus really has to be on the self and going within.

520
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Do you find it the same or do you still like,

521
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like the tools, toys really cool?

522
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- Well, well, that's a, that's a great point.

523
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I just feel like those, these are called cities and yoga,

524
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,240
powers that come to people that concentrate in a certain way.

525
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,640
I believe those are just given as,

526
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:33,800
it's like a tool belt,

527
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,200
just the tools are given to us so that we can do our service,

528
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,520
not so we can just go, look at me, I can do this,

529
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,840
or just you can press yourself.

530
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,720
(laughing)

531
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,320
- We can do a little bit of that, right?

532
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,080
(laughing)

533
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,520
- It's part of my, I used to be a carpenter back before I became a healer.

534
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,760
- Yeah, so I had all these different tools in my tool belt,

535
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,600
in those building homes in Florida and Texas.

536
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,400
And so I consider I just have a different tool belt now.

537
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,640
- Okay, so,

538
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,640
- I don't mind.

539
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,480
- So the one of the,

540
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,600
it was hearing kind of touched on it a little bit.

541
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,200
One of the most important tools in the tool belt

542
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,520
that I would assume you get out of this is,

543
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,240
being able to leave your body,

544
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,160
how is that help anybody but yourself?

545
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,160
Like feel like you're flying through the air.

546
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,000
I mean, don't do walls and, you know,

547
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,440
do stuff.

548
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,000
You know, how is that helpful?

549
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,320
- Well, I don't know because I don't,

550
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,680
that's not one of my abilities.

551
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,280
- Oh man, okay.

552
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,120
(laughing)

553
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:31,520
- All right.

554
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,120
But they say that spiritual awakening,

555
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:37,680
that's one of the things that comes naturally to people

556
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,040
that are awakening, not kind of stuff.

557
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,800
I mean, I don't know how true that is,

558
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:41,760
'cause I've not been able to do it.

559
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,960
And I believe I'm awakening little by little.

560
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,920
(laughing)

561
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,040
- Are you able to do that well?

562
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,040
- No, no.

563
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,960
I've wanted to do it since I was a kid

564
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,560
and I've never, ever been able to.

565
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,000
And people tell me it's so easy, shut up.

566
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,000
- It's not easy.

567
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,440
(laughing)

568
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,280
- That's a little bitter.

569
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,280
(laughing)

570
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,520
- Oh my friend who have been deep practitioners

571
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,920
of trans-adrenal meditations have learned

572
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,280
how to like, you know, lift off from the ground.

573
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,160
And, you know, but not actually fly through the air.

574
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,680
They just like, lift up from a Kundalini energy,

575
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,680
but I haven't personally done that.

576
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,520
(laughing)

577
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,560
- So then what are, what are these abilities

578
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,640
that you have developed?

579
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,000
(snaps)

580
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,480
- Well, I feel like there's many,

581
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,720
in my last book, Awakening the Avatar within,

582
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,080
I listed all these different superpowers

583
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,120
that Awakening avatars,

584
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:31,880
so I've actually listed them and explained

585
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,520
all the ones that I'm aware of.

586
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,640
And we each have the ones that are given to us, you know?

587
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,120
So the ones that are given to me,

588
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,240
the superpowers that I've manifested.

589
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,680
One of them is to be a quantum catalyst.

590
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,840
And what that is, it's not as flashy as fly

591
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,760
through the air, manifesting rings or something like that.

592
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,720
But what it is is that when I'm working

593
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,680
with a group of people who are open to this,

594
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,120
my presence can trigger Awakening's

595
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,000
and transformations of them pretty spontaneously.

596
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,080
- Oh wow.

597
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,880
- That's why I lead retreats in events

598
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,640
because I'm doing the thing, the gift

599
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:07,840
that I was given to me.

600
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,680
- Right.

601
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,400
- And I mainly been doing that with people

602
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,960
who are mostly like other healers or healthcare

603
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,360
practitioners are interested in spirituality.

604
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:17,440
That's one of the ones.

605
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,840
And another one, I super power that I've realized to myself

606
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,320
is being a quality synthesizer.

607
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,240
Like others, I have studied and learned so many different things

608
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,160
in my medical training and my spiritual,

609
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,480
in some many different teachers and for many different cultures.

610
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,760
And I've been able to take all this complexity

611
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,200
and I boil it down to simple, practical things.

612
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,680
I can teach people where they just get it

613
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,240
and don't have to go through all the garbage

614
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,320
or the cultural things.

615
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,440
So those are the ones that I'm present to

616
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,240
and also having a bad sense of humor

617
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,720
and making puns off and is another super fun.

618
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,160
- You are Awakening, Will.

619
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,080
(laughing)

620
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,000
- That's been my super power way before I was.

621
00:25:59,000 --> 00:25:59,840
- That's a week in.

622
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,080
(laughing)

623
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,880
- You're probably as one of yours, I see it.

624
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,320
(laughing)

625
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,520
- So I wanted to get back to the healing

626
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,160
that you were talking about.

627
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,920
What can you give us an example of just one

628
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,480
that was just really impactful that stayed with you?

629
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,400
- I'm sure, I can do that all day.

630
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,240
- Great.

631
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,080
- No, we've got this.

632
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:20,920
- This is my minute.

633
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,080
(laughing)

634
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,560
- Okay, this is why then I put in my last book

635
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,280
'cause it's such a good example of quantum healing.

636
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,080
Is there was a woman who lived here

637
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,400
in the San Francisco area who was ran quite a few businesses

638
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,120
and nonprofits and was sort of a very influential

639
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,600
in the community and she was referred to me

640
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,240
because she had ankle pain that no one was able to help

641
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,440
and she had been to all these medical specialists

642
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,080
and nobody could help her.

643
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,480
So she came in to see me in your Mill Valley, California.

644
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,320
And so I checked her and I went through the things I do.

645
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,400
I checked her chakras and found certain ones

646
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040
that were out of balance and explained what goes meant

647
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,440
and then did some energy healing,

648
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,280
quantum healing to balance her chakras.

649
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,800
I checked her assemblage point,

650
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,240
which is what I went to England to learn.

651
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,760
It's basically an alignment between the aura

652
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,160
or energy field and the physical body,

653
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,360
just like a car needs alignment, those two things.

654
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,480
You can actually get out of balance

655
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,800
with your energy field, you can be cockeyed

656
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,160
or something like that.

657
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,320
And then people either feel a lot of anxiety

658
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,360
or deep depression or they keep feeling

659
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:32,440
that they're in accident waiting to happen.

660
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,520
There's different, so when I learned how to align

661
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,600
very quickly, just in a few minutes,

662
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,880
there energy in their body.

663
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,840
And that's called the assemblage point.

664
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,520
So I went through some of those things with her.

665
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,360
And then she told me she also had seizures that had,

666
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,080
it wasn't a stroke, it was like something like,

667
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,480
something that had happened before that created

668
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,480
her mental instability and she couldn't think clearly

669
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,680
and her walking was a little off.

670
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,200
So after this energy healing,

671
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,320
I told her to walk down the hallway in my office

672
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,560
and come back.

673
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,480
She came back, she said,

674
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,480
"My walking is really clear, my mind feels clear

675
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,560
for the first time in months,

676
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,360
my energy feels better and my ankle doesn't hurt."

677
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,960
The interesting thing is I didn't even touch her ankle.

678
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,040
I mean, I didn't do any direct treatment to her leg at all.

679
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,560
All I did is balance her energy and assemblage point.

680
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,040
So that's an example.

681
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,400
I clearly shows how this,

682
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,040
and then so what happened is after that treatment,

683
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,880
she started walking three miles a day,

684
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,320
she started losing weight

685
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,120
and she started doing Qi Gong exercises

686
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,800
because she used to have Chinese background.

687
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,800
And her life got an upgrade just from work

688
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,120
adjusting her energy.

689
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,600
- Wow, now in her,

690
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,400
so she meets with you and you do this

691
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,160
and it sounds like it was relatively quick.

692
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,640
Was it, did you meet with her more than once?

693
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,000
So was it just like a one time session sort of thing?

694
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,640
- Well, those results I said came from the one session,

695
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,480
but then she kept seeing me for a few more months

696
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,920
and it just kept tuning her up more and more.

697
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,240
And there was some more gradual improvement

698
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,960
in her energy and her mental clarity.

699
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,040
There was also a point where she got more clear

700
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,720
about making some changes in her business life

701
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,480
and changing her focus a little bit

702
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,280
that getting more in touch with her in herself.

703
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,120
- Mm-hmm.

704
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,080
- So it's a little helpy. - So it healed everything.

705
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,480
- Yeah, it covered a multi-dimensional feeling.

706
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,800
- And then by the time you were kind of finished with that,

707
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,440
she was able to do this for herself then from that point?

708
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,280
- Yeah, because doing the,

709
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,920
she going exercises and walking every day,

710
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,600
she was able to become her own healer.

711
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,680
She didn't really after a while,

712
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,720
you know, she didn't really need me anymore.

713
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,560
- Wow, that's great.

714
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,840
I mean, not great for business, but great for her

715
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,720
and for you.

716
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,040
Word of mouth advertising.

717
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,800
- Well, so I apologize if I miss that

718
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,240
because I realize that a lot of my notes are missing

719
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,480
and it just didn't print.

720
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,680
So now I turn, open up my computer and they started printing.

721
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,160
So if you heard that, I apologize

722
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,480
'cause they're all the way across the room in the printer.

723
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,400
So I open up my computer and get to the printer

724
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,640
to my notes.

725
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,440
But if I missed it, I apologize.

726
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,160
How is it that you,

727
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,160
people do raky, other people do quantum healing hypnosis?

728
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,240
Have we talked about what is it that you do?

729
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,480
You touch people and make them heal,

730
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,080
do you hypnotize them?

731
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,400
What is your modality?

732
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,520
- Well, the way I'm working now is most of its remote healing.

733
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,760
Now, there's most of the people I see

734
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,840
it's over Zoom sessions is very rare

735
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,360
that I even treat people in person.

736
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,560
At least my friends and family may some more than anybody else.

737
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,760
So that's the part about the quantum field

738
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,080
is it has not limited by distance.

739
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,480
And it's actually ultimately not limited by time

740
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,560
because you can even change things from the past

741
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,880
or the future through some of the shamanic methods

742
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,200
I've learned given the way conditions.

743
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,840
That's why the word multi-dimensional is good.

744
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,000
So much as far as what I do to probably make it more

745
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,120
trying to explain what's hard to explain.

746
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:06,960
- Sure.

747
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,760
- That I test people's chakras.

748
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,960
I wanna say something about chakras.

749
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,120
It's such an important thing.

750
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,600
Like most people have heard of chakras

751
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,120
by who come to your show.

752
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,120
But people think of them as like these colored energy

753
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,680
vortexes in the body.

754
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,880
You see on charts and pictures,

755
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,720
but it's so much more than that.

756
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:31,000
Chakras are actually focal points of universal qualities.

757
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,480
So like there's a quality in the universe

758
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,040
you could say divine love that exists.

759
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,200
That's part of the nature of the divine.

760
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,760
So that's focused as our heart chakra.

761
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,920
Now most people aren't experiencing divine love

762
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,240
because they're pretty guarded and fearful and have trauma

763
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,080
and so many things that are guarded their heart.

764
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,320
And so they feel cut off from it.

765
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,600
So a lot of let's say another thing would be will.

766
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,640
There's a quality called divine will.

767
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,840
- Oh, I mean I'm right here.

768
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,680
(laughing)

769
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,520
- Right here.

770
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,880
- I'm like oh, that's all you can find from that one.

771
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,880
(laughing)

772
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,680
- I mean you just open the door, Dan,

773
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,080
and I have to walk through it.

774
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,920
(laughing)

775
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,760
- Okay.

776
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,240
- So you're a good example, right?

777
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,920
If you didn't have a strong will center,

778
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,240
you wouldn't have made this wonderful podcast

779
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,480
and all this created something in the world

780
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,080
that's benefiting somebody people, right?

781
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,240
So that's the expression of your will.

782
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,080
- Well, thank you.

783
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,800
Yes, I'll take that.

784
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,640
- Okay.

785
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,560
- Just go ahead, I don't mean that.

786
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,760
- Yeah, so let's say many people I work with

787
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,000
have trouble, let's say they have financial problems

788
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:40,840
or strong belief in that,

789
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,880
they have lack of confidence in themselves

790
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,280
or low self-esteem or they have a project they want to do

791
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,800
and it's hard to follow through their procrastinate

792
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,120
or a lot of people who are even already successful,

793
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,440
doctors or acupuncturists or healers,

794
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,920
it's just that they hit a plateau.

795
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,360
That happens a lot too where they're just,

796
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,600
there's something like they're doing okay,

797
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,440
they're successful and they're doing their work,

798
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,920
but something in them, just like what happened to me

799
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,120
when Jesus came to me,

800
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,400
something in them is saying

801
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,920
there's a lot more to this than you're doing.

802
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,160
There's a much bigger picture

803
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,920
than just your comfortable little life.

804
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,880
So what often happens is their solar plexus chakra,

805
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,240
which is the part that can move past fear

806
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,480
and create things is inhibited.

807
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,120
And there's a whole discussion I could tell you

808
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,200
about why I think that is,

809
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,760
but just to not get too distracted,

810
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,080
that's a very interesting discussion too,

811
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,080
is that through quantum healing,

812
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,480
even a thousand miles away,

813
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,920
I can measure that blockage in their solar plexus chakra

814
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,640
and then use some of these quantum methods

815
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,960
to basically like reboot it,

816
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,440
almost like rebooting a computer.

817
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,480
They get a fresh new level of their,

818
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,680
and they have to release,

819
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,600
let's say they get to release some of the fears

820
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,800
or inhibitions or ancestral wounding

821
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,720
or some of these things that have led them to be that one.

822
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,800
So that's pretty profound work.

823
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,800
It works on many different levels.

824
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,200
Right.

825
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,760
So are you manipulating their chakras?

826
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,360
Are you having them, like,

827
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,360
you say you're working on me?

828
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,640
We're, we're,

829
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,520
we're in Virginia, you are wherever you are,

830
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,120
and you're working on me across Zoom,

831
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,320
and you scan my chakras

832
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,560
and you find that my heart chakra is missing.

833
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,560
(laughing)

834
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,960
Are you a do-a-yes?

835
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Then I gotta go to the wizard for that, but.

836
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,800
So, so do I have to,

837
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,800
like, is it like a little bit of talk therapy

838
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,960
because I have to find what's blocking it

839
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,680
or is it purely energetic work?

840
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,440
- Wow, thank you for asking.

841
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,840
This is, there's quite a few different approaches,

842
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,320
depending on, it's very individual for the person.

843
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,440
One of the methods is a shamanic method

844
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,520
'cause I've studied shamanism a lot.

845
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,560
That's called illumination therapy.

846
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,400
And this is beautiful.

847
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,440
It's a way of basically unwinding

848
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,000
both trauma and conditioning out of the chakra.

849
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,280
And so I do that sometimes just using my hand,

850
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,000
like clock movements like this,

851
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,280
or I use a bird feather,

852
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,880
crystal, special crystals that I have for like extraction crystals.

853
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,040
So in others, there's different ways to basically pull out

854
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,880
a lot of old toxic traumatic burdens,

855
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,120
some energies out of that heart chakra or will center

856
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,680
so that the person just feels more like themselves

857
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,440
and more free just to be who they are without that.

858
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,240
See, people don't realize how much,

859
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,000
if you pardon the question, shit, they're,

860
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,160
they're carrying.

861
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,440
You know, we think we're normal.

862
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,800
We think this is a life, but there's one thing I gotta say,

863
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,440
this is pretty radical.

864
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,200
The human race is in a deeply fallen state

865
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,280
compared to our natural way of being.

866
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,160
And now we consider this a new normal.

867
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,440
- I don't believe that's radical at all, Darren.

868
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,640
I think that's spot on.

869
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,600
I think everyone's hearing that.

870
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,440
- Okay, good.

871
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,920
And I think the current leadership of our country

872
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,720
is just putting the exclamation point at the end of that truth.

873
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:04,840
- No question.

874
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,320
- Okay, so basically what this quantum healing process is,

875
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,720
more than just like relieving,

876
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:14,040
even beyond relieving trauma or it's actually helping people

877
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,840
to move out of that fallen state

878
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,720
and to really being who they are,

879
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,240
which is what I call an avatar.

880
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:23,240
It's any human being who's just being themselves

881
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:25,920
minus all that heavy programming.

882
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:33,200
- So there's a lot of talk these days about,

883
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,080
you know, Eckhart Toley, living in the present moment,

884
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,440
Koot Blackson, Magica Surrender,

885
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,160
lots of different teachers talking about different ways

886
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,080
to get to the point where you're talking about.

887
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,320
I also understand that a lot of shadow work,

888
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,360
which is a lot what we're talking about here,

889
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,040
has to be done before you can get to the point

890
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,840
where you can feel yourself spiritually awakened

891
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,360
for lack of a better term or enlightened

892
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,880
or whatever term you wanna use.

893
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,720
- Right.

894
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:09,240
- There is a lot of people saying a lot of things

895
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,560
and saying that they can help a lot of people

896
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,560
when in fact most of the time those people

897
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,680
actually are the ones that need that help.

898
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,320
- Yeah, that's really true, well.

899
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,320
- Yeah, so what would you say to someone who,

900
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:30,800
you work with a lot of healers and teachers and things like that,

901
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,840
how do you approach that topic with them to say,

902
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,160
you've got a lot of work to do before you can help anybody

903
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,000
best of.

904
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,880
- Well, just in terms of what you said about that,

905
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,800
I just wanna say there's a statistic that I've seen

906
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,520
that 85% of people calling themselves spiritual teachers

907
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,440
have actually done either something sexually inappropriate

908
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,480
with their experience or financially or misuse power with them.

909
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,520
I mean, it's shocking.

910
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,360
- What percentage?

911
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,360
- What is it pushing in?

912
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,360
- 85%.

913
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,920
- 85%?

914
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,920
- Yeah, Jack Cornfield, down at a Buddhist retreat center

915
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,440
that's near me, that's right down the street.

916
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,400
That's very very famous.

917
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,960
And he actually did a study.

918
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,480
He actually interviewed or did a survey with,

919
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,920
I forget several hundred spiritual teachers.

920
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,360
And you know, with anonymity, so their names wouldn't come out.

921
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,800
And actually just from that survey,

922
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,560
he came up with that 85% from what they admitted

923
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,120
without going in publicly, that different things they had done

924
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,200
in discretion.

925
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,760
So that's a big deal that you're talked about.

926
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,680
That a lot of people are claiming to be teachers

927
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,000
and healers and shamans.

928
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,840
And I like one of my clients is a woman who is suffering so much

929
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,880
with OCD and I'm helping her little by little.

930
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,200
But she went to a woman claiming to be a shaman

931
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,320
who I even went to this woman's website.

932
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,160
She claims to be this divine shaman

933
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,080
who's channeling mother Mary and all these things like that.

934
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:02,080
And basically what she did to my client was truly very very dark.

935
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,800
And the guys of those things, she actually injected

936
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,840
a lot of very dark controlling energy

937
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,960
that is taking a long time to clear all that out.

938
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,040
So that's something I'm aware of.

939
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:17,040
So I consider myself to be a healer to the healers

940
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,200
that most of the people I work with are healers

941
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,920
who want to clear themselves out and work

942
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,360
on a higher quantum level.

943
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,680
Right.

944
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,680
So then how does someone

945
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:33,240
sift through the garbage to find that diamond in the rough?

946
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,680
Which diamond are you referring to?

947
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,200
So not the rough.

948
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,520
The diamond diamond.

949
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:40,760
But not the rough.

950
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,680
In the rough of the mess of it all.

951
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,960
So because there's so many different people

952
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,760
who are claiming to be this or that.

953
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,760
You'll see.

954
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,760
And how do they know who's the gyps?

955
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,280
You're not doing that.

956
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,280
Oh yeah.

957
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,040
Right.

958
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,160
Good question.

959
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,320
So what's a good answer there?

960
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,640
Because I need a new answer.

961
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,200
[LAUGHTER]

962
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,480
Well, some of these darker shamans

963
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,080
and bogus teachers that are out there.

964
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,520
And not even bogus.

965
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,320
Here's the interesting.

966
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,760
A lot of these people I'm talking about

967
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,840
are actually really beautiful teachers.

968
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,840
Sure.

969
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,680
They actually do express a lot of love

970
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,400
and they give people these shocky experiences

971
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,800
that can inspire them and open their third eye.

972
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,800
It's not true that they're not real teachers.

973
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,440
It's just that they haven't done their shadow work.

974
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,680
So you're talking to them.

975
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,840
There are upper chakras.

976
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,680
They're very illuminated.

977
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,640
And they're lower ones.

978
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:28,960
They haven't gone there yet.

979
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,760
So I think if somebody who's looking for somebody

980
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,600
who's the real deal, who is integrity,

981
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,160
is trust your feelings more than being dazzled

982
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,280
by what that person is saying and doing.

983
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,040
And even like, you know, experience

984
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,440
your experiences they give you.

985
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,080
Like, just simply go into your own kind of animal instinct

986
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,560
and say, do I actually trust this person?

987
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,960
Do I actually feel-- is there a red flag?

988
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,440
Like, friends, my daughter's been in the dating world

989
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,840
for a long time.

990
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,640
And she tells me how many times she meets people who--

991
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,320
there's a red flag, but she purposely ignores that

992
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,720
because she's so dazzled by the person

993
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,080
who has attracted to them.

994
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,200
And she's learned from long experience.

995
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,280
When you ignore those red flags, it's not a happy thing.

996
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,480
So I would say the same thing for spiritual teachers

997
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,760
of healers is that how that connects to answers.

998
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,000
So that's what I think of up here.

999
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,960
I mean, it's an answer.

1000
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,760
It's a good one.

1001
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,760
No, it's a good answer.

1002
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,640
And we kind of talked about this recently

1003
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,080
with someone else too, especially for women.

1004
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,400
You're kind of taught to ignore that.

1005
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,240
People I don't know-- don't not say hi to that guy,

1006
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,600
just because he's really scary.

1007
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,720
So I think if you get those feelings,

1008
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:42,040
I think that what we do need to teach people more

1009
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:49,040
is to really trust in your body and what you're feeling.

1010
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,360
So when you mention that you are really good at that quantum

1011
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,680
activation, I think it was.

1012
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,960
I forgot what I was saying mentioned, but you make someone

1013
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,600
wake up.

1014
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,880
There was a--

1015
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,120
someone I spoke to a while back that--

1016
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,560
oh, no, maybe it was a show that I listened to,

1017
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,920
where she went to the spritrete.

1018
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,200
And this Swami Guru, whatever it is you want to call him,

1019
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,040
was walking, I suppose, be a super famous,

1020
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,280
powerful healer, teacher, came by, and she was a skeptic

1021
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:20,800
to begin with.

1022
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,240
She was a scientist.

1023
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,160
And so she went to this thing in the dark,

1024
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,360
so a friend wanted her to go, and she wasn't sure.

1025
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,240
But she went.

1026
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,760
She-- when it came time for the teacher to come around,

1027
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,240
they were kind of kneeling on the ground.

1028
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:35,400
They're doing their meditation.

1029
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,240
And he came by and just tapped her on the head,

1030
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,360
and all of a sudden, like the whole world

1031
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,600
opened up to her just by his tapping.

1032
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,720
That's coming from a skeptic manifestation.

1033
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:53,280
That's a hard thing to wrap your mind around.

1034
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,200
And you hear about these things quite a bit in this world.

1035
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,480
Is this the kind of thing you're talking about,

1036
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,880
or is it a little bit more subtle?

1037
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,960
It's a little more subtle, I think, but--

1038
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,040
I mean, there's times when people have really profound,

1039
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,640
dramatic breakthrough experiences, and other times

1040
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,320
is more subtle.

1041
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,400
The times when I see it the most dramatically

1042
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,600
with my work is at retreats.

1043
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,160
Because I have a lot of my classes I teach are online.

1044
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,520
And I have a class I call the Master Course

1045
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,960
where we go through trainings online,

1046
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,240
and then we meet in a physical retreat in person.

1047
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:36,280
And on the online, it's quite remarkable.

1048
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,960
I mean, the high-comp vibration we're

1049
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,680
sharing and the inspiration and the healings that happen.

1050
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:41,800
But we get in person.

1051
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,520
It's a whole nother octave.

1052
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,560
And that's where I see more dramatic breakthroughs

1053
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,040
like that are quite remarkable.

1054
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,840
Yeah, I don't tap them on the head and now I'm

1055
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,800
going to the other world.

1056
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,440
But it's partly the group.

1057
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,400
Say, I don't feel like it's just me doing it.

1058
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,840
I'm going to bring in groups of very high-level people

1059
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,360
together and as a group, we create something

1060
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,160
I call the group body where all of us contribute--

1061
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,240
our higher selves all contribute to that.

1062
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:13,040
And it becomes a resource that creates a very powerful field

1063
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,720
where people can make these very difficult shifts much more

1064
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:17,480
easily and quickly.

1065
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,480
Yeah, I'm glad that you don't tap someone

1066
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,640
and they go on to other space because I'm convinced halfway

1067
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,480
that that man just had a high dose of LSD in his hand

1068
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,920
and he snapped her with it and that's what happened.

1069
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,440
So I think I think that was fun.

1070
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,360
You never know.

1071
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,320
You never know.

1072
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,040
So you do this for people.

1073
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,560
So we talked a little bit about your book.

1074
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,840
But your goal here is to help as many people as you can,

1075
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,080
especially healers and teachers and things like that.

1076
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,120
So what does that process look like?

1077
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,080
How do they reach out to you?

1078
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,800
How do they start the process with you?

1079
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,720
Well, there's a few different ways.

1080
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,360
I mean, show like this.

1081
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,480
There's different ways of people here about me.

1082
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,800
And then they go to my website and reach out

1083
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,080
or they come to webinars or seminars or classes.

1084
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:18,200
But then once somebody engages, then some people start as clients.

1085
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,560
They come because they want to get healed themselves.

1086
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,640
That's a lot of-- because here's an interesting thing.

1087
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,960
A lot of the people who are the most--

1088
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,440
and this was in the brief you sent me,

1089
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,880
well, I saw some very interesting things you put there.

1090
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,840
Is that some of the people who are the most gifted healers

1091
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,880
go through some of the most hell and chaos on that path

1092
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,000
to getting there?

1093
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,560
And that's not a sign of shame or weakness.

1094
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,800
It's just the way it is.

1095
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,160
It's just there's a shamanic transformational process

1096
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,200
that involves it going into the underworld, basically.

1097
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,560
And if someone is avoiding that, they're

1098
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,880
growth is going to be limited.

1099
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,960
That to be willing to go through.

1100
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,040
And that can look different for different people.

1101
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,000
So that's part-- so sometimes somebody comes because they're

1102
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,720
going through chaos or really crazy symptoms

1103
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,600
or feeling deeply depressed or whatever it is.

1104
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,560
But I recognize of them that they're actually

1105
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,400
a master healer who just is going through this hard patch.

1106
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,440
Because I've had times going through hard patches,

1107
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,080
so I recognize that.

1108
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,040
So I love doing-- like working with those people

1109
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,600
to get through that enough so that they can actually

1110
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,560
start bringing out their master healer abilities,

1111
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,160
their appetizer abilities.

1112
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,080
And I would think that that would maybe even make them

1113
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,240
a better healer because they would be able to have more

1114
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,040
empathy and understanding of--

1115
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,840
Yeah.

1116
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,320
How do the people go on through?

1117
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:33,920
Totally.

1118
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,560
That's totally true.

1119
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,480
So what does someone look for?

1120
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,400
How do they know that they really need you?

1121
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,920
Well, OK.

1122
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,320
Each of these questions, as somebody

1123
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,440
dimensions to it, is that I believe in soul relationships.

1124
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,280
I believe that the people who come to me

1125
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,400
to be trained or to get healing or whatever mentoring,

1126
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,280
we already have a relationship on the soul level

1127
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,080
that was maybe created a long time ago.

1128
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,880
And that is just when they are ready,

1129
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,520
they will show up and will somehow, through some medium,

1130
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,000
will find each other.

1131
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,400
I think that's the bigger truth.

1132
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,440
But then there's all the physical avenues,

1133
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:17,280
like webinars or Facebook pages or referrals and things

1134
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,480
like that that happened and act as vehicles of that.

1135
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,160
So basically, what I'm hearing you say,

1136
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,120
correct me if I'm wrong, is that someone needs you--

1137
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,080
they come across you, they'll know.

1138
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,760
Like, I've got to engage with Darren.

1139
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,240
Yes.

1140
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:34,680
And there's two sides to it.

1141
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,640
I'm saying when they are ready, but there's also

1142
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,920
for me being ready, because for me to do what I'm doing now,

1143
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,200
I've had to release a lot of my own self-esteem issues

1144
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,120
or doubts in myself and old programming

1145
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,600
and step through a lot of difficult--

1146
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,760
different initiation experiences that

1147
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,000
were scary or challenging.

1148
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,720
So in other words, it seems like part of it is

1149
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:05,640
that to be in the place of being a service

1150
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,080
of Master Healer or Avatar, you really

1151
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,520
have to be willing to do your own inner work

1152
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,120
and keep getting passed a lot of the old slave self-programming.

1153
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,040
So I feel like the more that I own it,

1154
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,920
the more people are showing up and more people are showing up,

1155
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,840
because I'm letting my life shine brighter

1156
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,920
so that more people who have those solar relationships

1157
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,240
are able to say, OK, I've been waiting around.

1158
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,920
Come on, man, he finally is showing up.

1159
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,000
Now I can show up with him.

1160
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,280
Gotcha.

1161
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,840
This is an important message for holistic healing professionals,

1162
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,800
acupuncturists, coaches, therapists,

1163
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,560
and other people working at depth with people

1164
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,120
here in the San Francisco area.

1165
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,720
It's about a presentation coming up on Friday, April 17th,

1166
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:53,800
at 6 p.m. at the New Living Expo here in San Rafael

1167
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,360
California, and it's called Beyond Technique,

1168
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,080
how to serve as a Master Quantum Healer for your clients

1169
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,880
and for the planet.

1170
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,040
And what you're going to gain from this

1171
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,000
is learning why so many of the clients who are coming to you

1172
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,640
these days are challenging to really fully resolve

1173
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,200
their issues, because there's different levels of things

1174
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,400
coming up at this time that, frankly, we

1175
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,040
weren't trained to work with.

1176
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,120
It's has to do with the major shifts in the energy field

1177
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,280
of our planet and the conditions of our world

1178
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,640
that will bring up material much more quickly

1179
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,400
than people can deal with.

1180
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,960
So at this presentation, I'm going to share some profound

1181
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,640
methods from quantum healing and shamanic energy medicine

1182
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,800
that you can apply right away that don't take much time

1183
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,080
and actually reduce your effort and produce better results.

1184
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,080
It's by tapping into the quantum field.

1185
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,400
It's really a beautiful thing.

1186
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,840
You can also have a direct experience of the quantum field

1187
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,680
and receive an activation to help you actualize

1188
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,400
this new level of healing power.

1189
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,800
So again, it's the new living expo coming up on Friday,

1190
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,960
April 17, 6 p.m. look forward to seeing you then.

1191
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,640
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1192
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,680
All right, well, is someone wanted to--

1193
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,520
is someone's called to reach out to you to start the process?

1194
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:15,040
Yes, you're right.

1195
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,480
That's the best thing.

1196
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,000
There's two things I'd like to give you.

1197
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:24,360
One is just my website, which is www.doctorstarwin.com.

1198
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:32,320
And that's spelled dr-s-t-a-r-w-y-n-n.com.

1199
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,880
The other thing I want to mention is that for anybody

1200
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,800
listening to this, who is a healer or health care practitioner

1201
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,040
who's interested in this work, I've created a free course

1202
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,120
that I'd like to give you because I believe in the paying

1203
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,080
and forward method.

1204
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,560
I've had a lot of time into this.

1205
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,440
I actually took a lot of the best things I teach

1206
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,240
in my paid courses and put it into this free course.

1207
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:53,720
Well, thank you.

1208
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:56,160
And so I can give you a URL where you can find it.

1209
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,920
That's easy to find.

1210
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,920
You just simply go to avatarmasterhealer.com,

1211
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,920
avat.a-t-a-r.

1212
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,320
Masterhealer is pretty obvious.

1213
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:11,200
And there's a place where you can request it and receive it.

1214
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,400
And so that's a gift.

1215
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,480
I believe people can look at that.

1216
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,760
And there's audio recording.

1217
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:16,760
I mean, it's a lot in there.

1218
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,280
I put a lot in this course.

1219
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,480
And so they can actually experience it

1220
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,680
and start using it in their own healing work

1221
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:23,760
before they even--

1222
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,360
then they can see if they want to come to me

1223
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,520
and do any further healing.

1224
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,520
That is awesome.

1225
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,280
So generous.

1226
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:28,800
Thank you.

1227
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,440
Well, we're going to add a direct links to both

1228
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,440
of those URLs in our show notes.

1229
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,160
So if you didn't have a pan-haney, write that second,

1230
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,120
go to skepticmedifosition.com.

1231
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,920
As you always do, you go to his episode page.

1232
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,880
You'll find a link's link to direct so it's easy for you

1233
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,120
to connect.

1234
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,720
Darren, an hour is nowhere near enough time to talk to you.

1235
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,160
And especially when your notes are nowhere to be found.

1236
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,280
So I'm hoping that this is just the beginning for us.

1237
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,080
I hope that we have many other conversations because I--

1238
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,320
I'm not good at that.

1239
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,840
You saw the packet.

1240
00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:59,360
I sent you.

1241
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,440
We haven't even touched on any of that stuff.

1242
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,520
So I look forward to hopefully very near future

1243
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,400
getting you back on the show again.

1244
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,480
Well, I appreciate that's an honor.

1245
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,240
Thank you.

1246
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:10,520
Well, that does it for this episode of the skepticmedifitions.

1247
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,080
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1248
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,080
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1249
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,560
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1250
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,880
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1251
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,280
And we'll see you on the next episode of the skepticmedifositions.

1252
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