It started with a phone going berserk at 3:33 in the morning.
Steven Fischer was sleeping inside a Stargate — a large, geometrically precise meditation structure in a darkened house near Mount Shasta, California. He had just spoken an intention aloud, asking, with genuine openness, for his soul's love to come to him. Within moments his phone lit up outside the structure and began malfunctioning — glitching, vibrating, making sounds. When he finally reached over to quiet it, the screen was showing him the same profile photo over and over: a woman named Stephanie, standing on the Oregon coast, singing.
They had no mutual friends. No logical connection. He was a graphic designer and recently separated father of three who had just moved to Mount Shasta during COVID and had his heart cracked open by meditation. She had independently tuned into that same Stargate energy through livestreams, from hundreds of miles away, and somehow, through a social media algorithm that had no business making that recommendation, she landed on his screen at exactly that moment.
They are now partners in life and in the work of channeling a Cosmic Golden Dragon named Jadon Se.
We did not expect to begin this interview with a love story. But that is exactly what happened. And it set the tone for everything that followed.
We Were Skeptics in Good Company
We should tell you upfront: Steven Fischer is also a skeptic. He led with that immediately, and we appreciated it more than he probably knows. In his 20s, he was pinned under a car in an accident and had an out-of-body experience precise enough to be corroborated afterward. Things he observed from outside his body matched reality in ways that could not have been guessed. That single event shifted his worldview from consciousness-as-byproduct-of-the-brain to something larger. It did not make him credulous. It made him more careful.
He described having what he called a solid internal detector for things that don't add up, and his approach to channeling reflects this. When Jadon Se first started speaking through him in the early hours of the morning — Stephanie shaking him awake to tell him he was talking — he did not just open the door wide. He set clear intentions: he would only channel beings that are benevolent, love-based, and oriented toward the highest divine. He had seen what happened to channelers who skipped that step, and it was not pretty.
We found this grounding quality genuinely reassuring. And it made the channeling itself, when it happened live in our conversation, considerably easier to receive.
What a Dragon Actually Sounds Like
When Jadon Se came through during our episode, the shift was subtle but noticeable. The cadence changed. There were these thoughtful, deliberate pauses; little "mm" sounds...as though something vast were searching for the right words inside a human vocabulary.
What he said about the Third Arc of Consciousness was not what we expected. He described three grand arcs, not levels but expanding open-ended fields. The first: unity consciousness, pure source. The second: the first expression of agency within that unity, archangels and archetypes. The third: collectives operating under those agencies, including a collective of cosmic golden dragons. That is where he lives.
He also mentioned, with what felt like genuine cosmic humor, that the smallest scales on his claw are larger than galaxies. We did our best with that.
The Bully in the Schoolyard and the Timeline That Changed
The most practically useful moment of the episode came when Jadon Se walked us through what timeline jumping actually looks like in practice. Not in theory. Not as a metaphor. As a step-by-step process any person can start using today.
His framework was this: you are not trapped on a linear timeline. You are, at any given moment, in a story that you are actively co-creating. The double-slit experiment in quantum physics, he pointed out, shows that a particle exists as pure probability until it is observed, and the observer collapses it into a single outcome. You are the observer of your own story. And that means you have more agency than you think.
The way to shift timelines, he said, is not to pretend the past did not happen. It is to re-emphasize or de-emphasize aspects of your backstory; to change the weight you assign to events that have been quietly shaping your behavior ever since.
He gave us an example so specific that Will immediately said, out loud, that he felt personally called out.
Imagine you were bullied in the third or fourth grade, and that experience quietly rewired how you move through conflict ever since...always watching, always braced, always managing your exposure. You have been carrying that fourth-grader's wariness for decades, maybe without even naming it. Now: what if you went back to that memory and changed what you emphasized? Not the victimization, but this; there was another kid on that playground who walked up to the bully and asked, simply, "What happened to you?" The bully melted. Turned out his father was drunk and violent at home. The bullying stopped. You were there. You just did not notice it.
If you go back and put the weight there, not on the victimization, but on the possibility that was always available, you stop carrying yourself like someone who got hurt and started carrying yourself like someone who just missed an opportunity. One shift in how you read your own history. And from that, your choices change. Your presence changes. Your timeline changes. Like dominoes.
Talking to Jadon Se made us realize that a lot of what we call being stuck is actually a loyalty to a particular version of our own story...one that may no longer be the most truthful version available.
The Treasure Dragons Actually Guard
We had seen in our research that Jadon Se spoke about dragons guarding a priceless treasure, but not the kind anyone expected. We made sure we asked.
His answer stopped us.
Not gold. Not gems. Not power.
Stories.
Human stories. The full, complicated, irreducible truth of what people actually lived through and who they actually were. Jadon Se described this as the true hoard of the cosmos...something dragons guard fiercely because false histories are a form of theft. When stories get distorted, suppressed, or rewritten, something essential gets lost. He said it plainly: even the story of someone with nothing, face-down in the lowest moment of their life, matters more than most people can comprehend.
We were not expecting to tear up a little. And yet.
How to Apply This Starting Today
You do not need to believe in dragons to use what came out of this conversation. Here is the takeaway in plain terms.
Reframe one memory. Pick something from your past that left you in a posture of self-protection — a wound you have been working around ever since. Ask: is there another true reading of that event? One in which you were not just acted upon, but one in which something was available that you just did not see at the time? That re-reading is not denial. It is a more complete truth. And it changes how you show up tomorrow.
Ask for help and mean it. Jadon Se is consistent across his entire catalog on this point: guidance from higher sources is not waiting for you to earn it. It is waiting for you to ask. Whatever form that takes in your practice, the ask is the practice.
Let your story matter. If Jadon Se is right that stories are the true treasure of eternity, then the one you are living right now is not small. Even the stuck parts. Even the parts you would rather skip.
The Big Picture
We came into this conversation expecting to talk about a dragon and left thinking about fourth grade, quantum physics, a phone glitching in the dark, and a woman on the Oregon coast who had no business appearing on a stranger's screen that night.
Steven Fischer is a former skeptic who got pinned under a car, moved to a mountain, slept in a portal, found his person, and woke up one night with a cosmic golden dragon speaking through him. He will be the first to tell you he cannot prove any of it empirically. He will also tell you that something keeps showing up right when people need it...and that it has, quietly, changed a lot of lives.
That tracks, honestly.
Want to hear Jadon Se speak directly, including the full timeline-jumping teaching and the moment Will felt very called out about fourth grade? Listen to the full episode on The Skeptic Metaphysicians wherever you get your podcasts, or watch it on NewRealityTV.com. And if you are not yet part of our community, this is a genuinely good week to join; head to skepticmetaphysician.com/newsletter and let us keep surprising you. We promise we will.
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