Why Isn't Your Money Mindset Working? The Energy Shift Nobody Tells You About

0:00 Karen, how do you feel right now about your money? - Well, I hadn't really thought about my money right now. I wish there was more of it. - Well, not your finances, your money. Because I'm betting there's a little, at least a little fear in there. - I don't even really know what you're asking right now. - Maybe some guilt. Maybe some shame that you didn't even know was sitting there. - How do you feel about your money? - About exactly the same way. And our guest today says that feeling, that feeling, that shame, that guilt, that fear, that's causing us more than whatever's in our bank account. - Hmm. - She's a Cambridge grad, a former BBC journalist, trained for 22 years with Chinese energy masters, and at the lowest financial moment of her life.

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3:07 Your reality, if you accept it, just got a whole lot bigger. (upbeat music) Hey there, I'm Will. - And I'm Karen. - Welcome back to the Skeptic Mattersitions, a show where we take the weird stuff seriously and the serious stuff and make it a little weird. (laughing) Today, money, you're welcome. Her name is Sarah McCrumbs, she's the author of Love, Money, Money, Loves You. And I have questions that are going to make Karen very uncomfortable. - Already are. (laughing) - And welcome to the show. How are you doing today? - Thank you very much. What an amazing welcome, yeah. I'm great. (laughing) - Well she could have used any adjective. I'm glad she chose amazing. - And mine.

3:48 - She's being very kind. (laughing) - All right Sarah, let's just put the core claim on the table right off the bat. You're not saying that money is a metaphor for self-worth and you're not saying it's the law of attraction thing either. You're saying that money is a living energy with its own intelligence that can actually communicate. Did I get that right? - Essentially, what we typically think of as money, which is like notes and coins and transactions, they're notes and coins and transactions, but behind them is an energy. You know, they move that money is full of power if you think about it, power is energy. So yes, behind the things that we think of as money is this extraordinarily powerful energy.

4:31 So when I talk about the energy of money, that's what I'm talking about. - But the energy has to have some sort of, (clears throat) sentience to have come to you and said, I would like you to love me. (laughing) - Shall I tell you, since you're clearly in the weird and wacky right from the beginning? (laughing) - You're right off the bat, yes, right into it. - I'll tell you how I came to get to know it, how I see it. - Okay. - I don't know how accurate this is. I don't see it visually with my eyes, but I think of it kind of like an enormous sort of bureaucracy somewhere in the sky, somewhere in the, not really in the sky, but in the multi-dimensional realm of probably being, it's really like real sentient beings that are not human beings, maybe not very physical in the way we look at it, but literally it's like their role in the universe is to serve human beings, wishes and desires, actually.

5:30 So it's like, when I say, oh, I'd really love that, they register that as a wish or a desire. It's like they have a ledger and they register all our wishes and all the conditions around our wishes. So when I say I'd love that and I can't afford it, I register, okay, Sarah would love that, can't afford it. Make sure we, and they have to deliver all of that to us. They're kind of like part of the manifestation and the materialization system of life, actually, that connects with our desires, our wishes. That's how I really see it. And when the more I see it like that, the more kind of intelligently I'm able to relate with it and the more effectively.

6:11 - So when you say they're keeping this log and you say that, I like that but I can't afford it, are they taking that, I can't afford it as part of what we are wanting? - Well, they're putting it as part of that work. - It's like the conditions that, so if you think of them as a sort of delivery system of what we really, what we're thinking and feeling and so what we want is one part of it, but we put all these conditions around what we want. So yes, when I say I can't afford it, it's not just I'm saying that to myself, but it's part of the experience that is then being delivered to me.

6:51 So it's actually not a really great thing. It would be far better to say, I would really love that thing. It's fine to say I can't afford it right now, but I'm gonna be able to. But we put these blanket statements, we say I can't afford it. People like me never get things like that. And that's a command actually to what I'm, this system that I'm describing. It's like you're just putting a command out into the universe. It's just, you know, we talk about the universe as though it's one thing. Actually, it's made up of all these bits of life doing activities. And I'm describing the bits that do that piece that connects with money. - Well, I'd love the thought, the image that you bring to mind, you talking about they take the command, this area.

7:34 I want that, I can't afford it. Like there's little elves or something in the background making things happen. What I love about it the most is that you graduated from Cambridge. You used to be a former BBC journalist, right? - You are a former. - You are a only person who has ever introduced me saying that I graduated from Cambridge. It is true, yes, I spend a lot of years. I did actually graduate as well. I'm probably not their proudest alumnus. - Oh, I don't know about that. - Oh, no. - The way things are moving these days, yeah, well, this is getting more and more out in the open, more mainstream, these concepts are getting more accepted across the world in something that in the past, someone from Cambridge might have poo-pooed now or is more, I think they're more curious, I think.

8:23 - Possibly, I live for the day when Cambridge would recognize this kind of knowledge as being such an extraordinarily intellectual institution that I actually learnt philosophy while I was there and I gave up because it was so heady and so non-related to life. And I was interested in life, you know, I was just a young girl I wanted to learn about life and I couldn't find it at that time, but you're right, things are changing and I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 10 years we see that maybe sooner, that would be amazing, wouldn't it? - And then they'll look back and go, wow, she was ahead of her time. - That's right, and it'll give you a plaque and everything on Cambridge. (laughing) - Yeah, never look for the plaque.

9:05 - Maybe a bench for sure, it'll be a bench somewhere. - No, I don't want the plaques and the benches. (laughing) The knowledge to be shared. (laughing) - But then let's get, I need to ask the question. You were in a particularly, I guess I should pre-worn people that there might be some triggers, but your study with the Chinese energy was precipitated by a loss that you experience. - Oh yeah, no, we don't need to be shy about it. - Yeah, so when I was 30, my sister died of a brain tumor. And there'd been about 21 months, from when she was diagnosed to when she died, but it does change your life.

9:51 I grew up in a middle class family where things like that don't happen to people like us. I don't know where I got that idea from, but you know, you just feel safe when you're a kid, unless you don't, if you grow up in an unsafe family, you don't. But I grew up in a safe family, in a safe environment. And I was shocked to the core that something, that that happened. And so it made me question the fundamentals. The most fundamental things I questioned at that time were around health. I realized that, or what I concluded at least, was that I couldn't rely on doctors to fix my health, 'cause they hadn't been able to fix my sister.

10:32 And I somehow also came out with this conclusion that I couldn't rely on anyone else to fix my happiness. And therefore my health and my happiness belongs to me. And I think that was actually what triggered this whole journey initiated by an acupuncture session, funnily enough, where I just, I knew, because I'm good at talking, I knew that if I went to psychology or psychotherapy or something, I just talked, I talked my way through anything. And I could convince them of anything. I was sure of that. So I knew I couldn't go to a talking therapy. So I got introduced to acupuncture. And that was the moment that everything changed because the Chinese approach is so fundamentally different.

11:13 And it worked so fast. Like 45, I went in blocked, like an emotional walking blockage. And I came out happy and relaxed and myself again. 45 minutes. See, that's amazing. Wow. And I think not enough people know about the power of acupuncture and things like that, because I don't know that the people in the West, so we went on a cruise a while back and I ended up, I have terrible migraines. And I went to on the cruise, there was a guy who was from China who was actually offering these introductory sessions. And I went to it. And he could tell things about me just by looking at me that no one has ever said before. And the interesting thing is no one, that I knew did acupuncture had that level of expertise.

12:01 It was only because it was so highly trained in that field in China and then brought it here, that it made a difference. So I wish more people, because here you can take a six week course and you're an acupuncturist. Oh my goodness. Where's China? I was thinking about this just very thing yesterday. I worked with the Chinese acupuncturists who saved my husband's life, actually. Oh, yeah, I believe it. Literally, he'd had a really serious brain injury. And this guy did some magic, not even with needles, in fact, at that time, but with some chopsticks and some rubber bands. Literally. Wow. Most extraordinary thing I've ever seen. He'd been in the Mongolian army from the age of 13. He'd trained as an acupuncturist in the Mongolian army and they have a lot of head injuries.

12:43 This worth telling the story just because it's, I'll keep it short, because it's so fascinating. He put a chopstick in my husband's mouth. And then he put two behind his ears and fastened them with rubber bands. And then he put, like, built like this kind of frame around his head. And then he took two chopsticks and tapped on it and moved the hemorrhaging, the bleeding that was going on inside his skull. His two skull plates were out of alignment. And he just threw the resonance and the vibration very gently taps them back into place. And when he-- Wow. He told me later that he had four of the five Chinese signs of death when he arrived.

13:23 So he was on a-- Yeah, he was not on a good trajectory, let's say. And I do-- I work with an acupuncturist now who'd framed in China. He's Western. And he has that. He reads your pulses, but you can see he's got a different-- it's a different type of knowledge. It's deep knowing of the health of the human system and how you restore that, which is quite different from following a protocol. Yeah, and it makes you wonder-- I mean, if there's any question about the power of energy, I mean, things that stories like that have to prove to you beyond-- beyond doubt, really, that this is a legitimate science.

14:07 It's not even-- Oh, well, art. It is a science. It's an art and a science. It's an art and a science. And when you really understand that and when you really study it, like I have done now for how many years-- 22 years, yeah. 22 years with Chinese masters, 37 years. Since I was 30, half-- Yeah, that's been my life since then. And yes, I mean, the most clever scientists in the world could come along and talk to me and try to argue with me that it's not real. He wouldn't make any effect on me whatsoever because I have witnessed an experience so much. It's just like, well, you haven't seen what I've seen.

14:48 It's the only thing I could say. You haven't experienced what I've experienced. And if you haven't, that's fine. You want to get back to the money. Yeah, that's what I was saying next. So it seems just too simple to just change the things you say about it. Is it that easy? Or is there other stuff that you have to do to shift? That's actually a really, really good question because what most people try to do is change their mindset, which fundamentally the things they say about it. And they're trying to use their minds to change their mindset. And it's the mind bit that's kind of a bit off in the first place. It's a really difficult thing to do.

15:29 What I had to do and what that message showed me, and I actually wrote a lot of messages from money, more than 70 of them, and they became the book, Love Money, Money, Loves You, which is just the pure raw messages from money put into book form. Before we go there, though, I mean, you have to call out the fact that what you're talking about is you sat down and you asked money, what it wanted you to know. And you started calling it writing and it came through you. How did that come about? I actually was, it was a very difficult time. I'd had a business failure, had no money, all of that. And I was given a little book that had exercises in it. And one of the exercises just said, what would money like to say to you?

16:10 That's it. And I started writing just, and it was like automatic writing. I had no control over what I was writing. And that was where it said, I would like to tell you to love me. And I wrote for about two pages, just with my hand in my notebook. And it ended saying, don't wait, just take me. I will love you. And so it was this love message from money, essentially. And in between it said things, I come a very powerful, beautiful energy. And essentially implied that we've completely misunderstood what money really is. And there was something about it that felt so true, even though I'd never, ever thought that way before.

16:51 No one had ever said anything like that to me. But it felt right. And then I went on writing these messages. And so the answer to your question, Karen, is that I needed to grapple with this possibility that the energy of money is an energy of love. It's not a neutral energy that we can do whatever we like with. We can do whatever we like with it, but it is fundamentally an energy of love. And that is what changes everything. And you can't just get that in an instant, I don't think. But many people feel it when they hear that first message. It's like, oh, this is the first time in my life that money actually feels true to me.

17:38 So I make me living a lie. You have a video on your website. Yeah. That it's money speaking to the audience and what money wants to say to them. And that is exactly what you're talking about. Someone hears a message. Let's listen to that message. This is what money would like to say to you. [MUSIC PLAYING] I would like to tell you to love me. Smile at me.

18:25 Collect me. Enjoy me. Feel my power. [MUSIC PLAYING] Spend me. Invest me. Give me. Pay with me. Take me. I am an energy. I'm very powerful and beautiful. I'm an incredible web of connections. I am light.

19:11 You're too afraid of me as you are of many things. You can open up and embrace me fully into your life. [MUSIC PLAYING] It's not too late. You can start now. Just open yourself and say yes. Be brave.

19:54 Love me. Love yourself. Love. So you can accept my power, my glory, my light, my beauty. I'm not the devil. I never have been. I'm a glorious being of light. I connect human beings with each other.

20:35 I'm so flexible you can use me to channel your creativity. Just go ahead. I'm waiting for you. You must open your heart. You're too rigid, too afraid. And there's nothing to be afraid of. You will win, not only me, but life also. I'm always here to help you. Just accept me. And I'll come to you very quickly.

21:18 You've chosen to have more. There's a lot of me waiting for you. Don't wait. Just take me. I will love you. It's just the first video chapter of your book, is that right? Yeah, it's a beautiful video. But that's the very first message I wrote, actually. I'm reading it with a wonderful musician, Gary Markin, my friend, who's playing the piano improvising the music. And it's just it merges you in this beautiful energy of money.

21:58 Wow. So once you kind of had these messages and this understanding or this change of how you see the energy of money, how did your-- did you just might start coming in? How did that change for you? Because if so, I'll listen to that message every single day. Well, but I'm wondering-- I'm wondering if it's the right question to ask. For some people, when they read the book, that does actually happen. It's really surprising how many people report actual financial changes when they're reading the book. Quite extraordinary ones. It didn't happen like that for me. Oh, OK. I was going to say, you sold one right here. But only-- For me, I wrote it.

22:38 And I ignored it for a little while, because I didn't really know what to do with it. Like, here I am talking with money. I can't tell anybody. I'm talking with money. I'm like, what an-- I was still with my Chinese master at that time. She didn't want me to talk about it either. So I just like-- I put it in the two hardbox. I published it under a fake name, because I'd been told I shouldn't publish it. So-- Was it a mirror sacrum? No, it wasn't. It was joy-prospero. Her name is Sarah McCrums, so-- Mirror sacrum. No, no, no. Sorry, no. No, joy-prospero. She's a beautiful name, actually. It is. It really spoke to the message in the book. But what happened was about a year later-- I moved to Australia.

23:20 I moved away from the Chinese master's system. Move to Australia with my husband. We had just a very limited amount of money to get started with, which was just enough to get a car and put a bond on a rental house. And then I had to make all my money, everything, from scratch in a country where I didn't know a single person. So I had to start a business, and then I had about two weeks. When I finally woke up to what we'd done about six weeks in, I realized I had two weeks before we would run out of money, and I had to pay all the bills from there. And that's where I started using the book. I had to, because otherwise, I don't know what we would have done. And then, actually, it wasn't-- look, I'm not going to say it was easy for me, but it worked.

24:04 And that was what was important. And it shifted my relationships. So you published the book before you put the tenants into use. So then you ended up having to go back to the book that you yourself wrote and put it in action for-- We still have to do that all the time. That book keeps on giving. It's the most remarkable thing that was 15 years ago now. 2011, 2010, 2011, I wrote it. On a seat, every time I go back to it, it just gives a whole new layer or a new level of depth to what's possible. So it is really quite a remarkable thing to download a book like that. Sarah, you mentioned quite a bit that this is-- we're not talking about the law of attraction here.

24:46 We're talking about something different. So what differentiates this from the law of attraction? Yeah, I don't think I would actually go so far as to say that. We're all talking about fundamentally the same thing, because we are talking about how there is a way of attracting. So the attraction is definitely very much a part of what I'm talking about. I think the thing that I've seen with the law of attraction is that there's not so much energy really paid-- or attention paid to the underlying energy piece of it. So I think when you really understand the energy and you watch over many years, the nuances of how individual people interact with that energy, it's really easy to make it look as though.

25:37 If you just do this and this and this, magical things will happen. That's what I was promised. Yeah. And at one level, there is truth in that. But there are many reasons why people don't always get those magical things happening. And I think you have to take that into account as well. And I wasn't one of those very magical people. I never was. From the minute I started learning about energy, I always felt like the kind of dumb one. You know, having gone to Cambridge University and having always been the clever one all the way through school, I landed in a place where I was always felt like I was the slowest and the one who couldn't get it very well. Which is probably why I've been so persistent.

26:17 And so for me, it was really important to understand why this attraction process is so difficult for some people. And what can we do to make it work better? And that's one of the reasons why I say, for example, working with mindset is really hard work, really hard. I think people put tremendous energy into doing affirmations and trying to change things. And actually when you change your energy, your mind changes anyway. So it's much better to work at the energetic level. That's what I find. And this whole thing about love is so important. Relax being able to be relaxed, to be able to enjoy, and to love.

26:59 These are very important things, but they're not always easy. They want easy for me. I bet. Because I'm still not sure if I really understand the depth to what we're talking about here. Are you talking about just falling in love with money, and getting into a relationship with money that will change your energy at your frequency to attract it better? Well, what I've found is actually the easiest way to get started with this is to see it like that, to see it in relationship language. Because it helps you to understand a lot of things about your relationship with money. I'll give you a couple of examples. Anyone who has a personal relationship will know that if you're grumpy all the time, if you're nervous and worried and stressed all the time about the relationship, if you say, "I want you, but I don't like you," all the time, these are the kinds of ways that we have with money.

27:53 It's like, "I really want money, but I'm afraid of it. I hate it. It's corrupt. It's evil." Can you imagine treating another person like that and what kind of relationship you'd have? You'd get the same kind of results as you get in your relationship with money. The difference, and that's what I learned, from my writing between money and your partner, is that money itself, the energy of money, isn't loody, and it doesn't get grumpy and it doesn't reject you. So it is an energy of love all the time, but if you close your door to it, if you say, "I'm not really interested, I just want to ignore you," you get the consequences of that, and it helps me a great deal to understand what's really going on in our relationship with this very powerful energy.

28:42 It's interesting because then you start thinking about the people in the world that are so very obviously in love with money, right? There's a big subset of people these days that are pushing against the billionaire lifestyle or the billionaire set, that kind of thing, and they feel that they are in love with their money. That's all, I mean, some people are saying that's all they love, right? It's just their money, and so that kind of tracked with what you're saying, right? - It's very interesting. It does, and at the same time, if you read the book, if you really understand what money's talking about, what actually happens because it's not just about loving money for its own sake.

29:28 So yes, that does help us to understand why some people make a lot of money. They are very open to it. They're very ultra receptive, and they're willing to do whatever it takes to enable more of that to flow. And money's not gonna say, oh, you're doing this and I don't approve of it. It doesn't have that kind of judgmentalness like we have. But I think what happens to people when they really grapple with the love part is that you actually become somebody where what your service, your contribution becomes really important. So the real promise of the book is that you can align your relationship with money with your values and with your principles, so with what you actually care about and with making the world a better place.

30:12 And to me, it was kind of like the predictor of a shift that's happening in our relationship with money even as a collective. Well, we're beginning to say, hey, we want more than just money for the sake of money. We want money that is aligned with what we value, what we care about and what's important for society. And so that's what happened to me is rather than me becoming somebody who was focused on being a billionaire, I became focused on what kind of contribution can I make to make the world better in alignment with our fundamental human values. And so it's pushed me to start and get into businesses that I would never have dreamt that I was going to do because I had to answer that question.

30:55 - Right. - So people will say then, if you're doing something with the right intention and because you love it, then the money will come. So would you say that along with that, you have to consciously have that relationship with money as well? - Yes, I mean, it's an interesting one because it's a bit like saying, well, if you have the right intention and you're just in love with your partner, everything good will happen. But it's not that intention is important and love is important, but your behavior is important as well. You can say, well, I just love you like crazy, but just behave in a way that isn't compatible with having a good relationship and that will have an impact.

31:42 You can say, yeah, but I intended well. Yeah, but your good intentions haven't had good consequences. - Like an abusive relationship of sorts. - Or it could be, or it could be just like an okay relationship rather than the kind of love relationship that we all love to have. So I think that's the other thing. We always wanna make things into it. It's just like, it's easy just do this one thing and you're gonna be a winner, but actually winning at life, it actually says in the very last, about the first message, it says you will win not only me, but life also, money's saying that, like if you stop being so afraid and really embrace this energy, you will win not only money, but also life.

32:26 And the thing is winning in life isn't a formula or a trick or a hack. It's a way of living and learning and growing and observing and being conscious and being aware and making mistakes and messing up and having to say I'm sorry and having another go and getting better at loving somebody and getting better at loving your life. That's an art and the science you're practicing for your whole life. Your relationship with money is part of that. It's not part of a get rich quick scheme. - Right, so then I assume by extension, sometimes some relationships, some partners become very, needy, very clingy.

33:08 You hang on to things, you put it aside and someone else can touch it or look at it or be around it. I would assume, we're talking in relationship styles. - Yeah, so you get jealousy, you get possessiveness, you get greed, you get all the negative financial habits come out of a relationship with money that's based on this kind of neediness and possessiveness. Is it exactly, exciting? - So there's an old saying that says, if you love someone, set them free, if they come back, it was meant to be, right? Is this, I mean, I'm assuming this is right at the same line, yeah, it could still be the good thing. - It is really, it's not always easy for us to do that.

33:49 - Very sure. - But for sure. - But again, we see that when we let go and trust our partner to be the person they can be, rather than for women, especially we tend to try to control our partners and try to mold them into the person we think they ought to be, which never works. - Yeah, it's right. - And we actually let them be the person they are, they turn out to be better than we thought they were. And the relationship works better. So yes, that is it. And the beautiful thing is, money does let you do that. Money will let you be as grumpy and it'll let you ignore, it'll let you do whatever you want. But I tell you what, you do feel the consequences of that. - Man, I was home free.

34:30 She was saying I could be grumpy and now I can't. (laughing) - No, it makes perfect sense. Everyone says energy's money's energy. So if you, it's an exchange of energy and so sending a free makes perfect sense to me. So let's talk about what people can actually do. You teach something called thank you money and you have a concept of beautiful requests. So someone's listening right now with a stack of bills that they can't pay, not meditating on their yacht stress, real stress. Like what's the very first thing you would have them do? - Actually, if I'm really honest, the thing that I would say is read the book.

35:11 I don't say that 'cause I wanna sell books. I love selling books, but I say it because it actually changes your understanding of what money is. And it's extraordinarily hard to change your relationship with something if you think it's the great corrupting force of the world. Or if you think that if you make more money, something awful might happen to you or that you'll be a greedy, horrible person. And these are the kinds of things that sit in the undercurrent of our life. So we actually need to shift our understanding of what money is. Then money will say to you, hey, relax about me. Enjoy me, love me.

35:53 But everyone thinks, oh, I know how to relax. They don't know how to relax about money. They don't really know how to enjoy money unless they do. And they don't really know how to love money in the way I'm talking about and let money love them. This very beautiful exchange of energy and value. So first of all, just learn something different about money. And then it will tell you, relax, enjoy, love. Those are my key instructions. All right. So it makes sense in a way also when people who are out there and you hear about people who they really don't like someone that has a lot of money.

36:33 They have this thought process about that person. They have a judgment about that person. When in essence, it's blocking them in a way, because they're assigning that to the audience. Well, you're judging people who make at least a certain amount of money, of course, that has an effect on your relationship with money, because you're saying, I don't want to be like that person. I don't want to be like that person. Actually, what we should do is say, well, I'd like to learn the good bits of that person. How is it that they make money? But I want to keep the good bits of myself. My values, my principles, well, what I stand for, what I care about. That's the sensible way to do it. But what we do is we judge, we have opinions, and we reject the very thing that we want.

37:17 It's incredible that that's so true. We reject the very thing that we want. Wow. When you say it like that, it just seems so simple. And you know something that I feel, you know, this isn't something that you're really supposed to say, I think. But what I notice is somehow it comes from my soul, that they're like the deep part of myself. This desire for prosperity, which I don't see as, you know, just having lots of money in my back account. But to have this a beautiful life, I think that that's a soul desire. I think our soul comes in here. It doesn't say, look, I'm coming here to suffer. It suffers. There's suffering that goes on. But it's always in the search of something better.

37:59 So I think the desire for abundance and prosperity is a really deep human desire. And then to cut that off by saying, but anyone who follows that desire is somehow bad. Or, you know, terrible risk of being corrupted. That messes with our internal energetic flows in quite a significant way. (upbeat music) - Well, we're gonna leave it there because we had some technical challenges and our internet here, Karen and I, ours connection just kept dropping. Don't know why that was. Maybe money was mad at us. I don't know, but regardless, we had to cut it short because of that.

38:42 The conversation was pretty much complete. All that we needed to do was to say goodbye and feel bad that we weren't able to do that on the air. But know that I know for a fact we're gonna have to air back on the air very soon because she's so wonderful. She's so knowledgeable. And her message is so beautiful. Something that we really need to live by. For sure. I feel very strongly about that. But if you enjoy this, we would love for you to leave us a five star review on Apple Podcasts. It does go a huge long way towards getting these messages in front of a lot of people. It gets social proof that the show is actually worthwhile listening to. And if you know someone who would benefit from this conversation, just forward it to them. You never know where someone is and how their life could change just by you doing a simple thing like forwarding an episode of our show to them.

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