Why Isn't Your Money Mindset Working? The Energy Shift Nobody Tells You About

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Karen, how do you feel right now about your money?

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- Well, I hadn't really thought about my money right now.

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I wish there was more of it.

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- Well, not your finances, your money.

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Because I'm betting there's a little,

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at least a little fear in there.

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- I don't even really know what you're asking right now.

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- Maybe some guilt.

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Maybe some shame that you didn't even know

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was sitting there.

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- How do you feel about your money?

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- About exactly the same way.

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And our guest today says that feeling, that feeling,

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that shame, that guilt, that fear,

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that's causing us more than whatever's in our bank account.

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- Hmm.

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- She's a Cambridge grad, a former BBC journalist,

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trained for 22 years with Chinese energy masters,

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and at the lowest financial moment of her life.

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She received a message, she says,

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came directly from the energy of money itself.

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- Wow. - Mm-hmm.

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- The message started? - I would say no.

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(laughing)

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- You'd think it would, but no.

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It didn't.

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It said, "I would like to tell you to love me."

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We're gonna find out if that's revelations,

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psychology, or something that lands in a place

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we don't even have a word yet.

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Stay with us this one's gonna be wild.

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My name is Will. - And I'm Garrett.

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- And unlike Mulder and Scully.

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- Both want to believe.

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- So we've embarked on a journey of discovery.

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- We've talked to people deeply entrenched

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in the spiritual and metaphysical world.

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- We've thrown ourselves into weird

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and wonderful experiences.

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- I even joined a covenant with you.

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- And, wait, you joined a covenant?

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- Yep, all the interests of finding something

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- Anything. - That will prove

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that there's something beyond this physical

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- Three-dimensional world we all live in.

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- This is the skeptic metaphysicians.

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- Hey there, it's Will.

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If you're one of those folks that's waking up

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to something bigger than what the mainstream media

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keeps trying to shout down our throats,

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you might feel like you're the only one who sees it.

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Hey there, I'm Will.

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- And I'm Karen.

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- Welcome back to the Skeptic Mattersitions,

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a show where we take the weird stuff seriously

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and the serious stuff and make it a little weird.

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(laughing)

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Today, money, you're welcome.

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Her name is Sarah McCrumbs, she's the author

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of Love, Money, Money, Loves You.

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And I have questions that are going to make Karen

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very uncomfortable.

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- Already are.

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(laughing)

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- And welcome to the show.

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How are you doing today?

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- Thank you very much.

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What an amazing welcome, yeah.

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I'm great.

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(laughing)

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- Well she could have used any adjective.

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I'm glad she chose amazing.

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- And mine.

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- She's being very kind.

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(laughing)

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- All right Sarah, let's just put the core claim

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on the table right off the bat.

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You're not saying that money is a metaphor for self-worth

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and you're not saying it's the law of attraction thing either.

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You're saying that money is a living energy

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with its own intelligence that can actually communicate.

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Did I get that right?

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- Essentially, what we typically think of as money,

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which is like notes and coins and transactions,

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they're notes and coins and transactions,

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but behind them is an energy.

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You know, they move that money is full of power

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if you think about it, power is energy.

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So yes, behind the things that we think of as money

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is this extraordinarily powerful energy.

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So when I talk about the energy of money,

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that's what I'm talking about.

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- But the energy has to have some sort of,

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(clears throat)

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sentience to have come to you and said,

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I would like you to love me.

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(laughing)

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- Shall I tell you, since you're clearly in the weird

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and wacky right from the beginning?

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(laughing)

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- You're right off the bat, yes, right into it.

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- I'll tell you how I came to get to know it,

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how I see it.

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- Okay.

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- I don't know how accurate this is.

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I don't see it visually with my eyes,

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but I think of it kind of like an enormous sort of bureaucracy

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somewhere in the sky, somewhere in the,

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not really in the sky,

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but in the multi-dimensional realm of probably being,

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it's really like real sentient beings

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that are not human beings,

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maybe not very physical in the way we look at it,

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but literally it's like their role in the universe

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is to serve human beings, wishes and desires, actually.

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So it's like, when I say,

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oh, I'd really love that,

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they register that as a wish or a desire.

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It's like they have a ledger and they register all our wishes

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and all the conditions around our wishes.

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So when I say I'd love that and I can't afford it,

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I register, okay, Sarah would love that, can't afford it.

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Make sure we, and they have to deliver all of that to us.

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They're kind of like part of the manifestation

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and the materialization system of life,

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actually, that connects with our desires, our wishes.

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That's how I really see it.

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And when the more I see it like that,

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the more kind of intelligently I'm able to relate with it

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and the more effectively.

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- So when you say they're keeping this log

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and you say that, I like that but I can't afford it,

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are they taking that, I can't afford it

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as part of what we are wanting?

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- Well, they're putting it as part of that work.

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- It's like the conditions that,

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so if you think of them as a sort of delivery system

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of what we really, what we're thinking and feeling

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and so what we want is one part of it,

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but we put all these conditions around what we want.

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So yes, when I say I can't afford it,

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it's not just I'm saying that to myself,

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but it's part of the experience

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that is then being delivered to me.

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So it's actually not a really great thing.

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It would be far better to say,

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I would really love that thing.

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It's fine to say I can't afford it right now,

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but I'm gonna be able to.

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But we put these blanket statements,

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we say I can't afford it.

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People like me never get things like that.

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And that's a command actually to what I'm,

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this system that I'm describing.

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It's like you're just putting a command out into the universe.

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It's just, you know, we talk about the universe

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as though it's one thing.

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Actually, it's made up of all these bits of life

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doing activities.

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And I'm describing the bits that do that piece

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that connects with money.

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- Well, I'd love the thought,

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the image that you bring to mind,

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you talking about they take the command, this area.

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I want that, I can't afford it.

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Like there's little elves or something

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in the background making things happen.

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What I love about it the most is that

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you graduated from Cambridge.

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You used to be a former BBC journalist, right?

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- You are a former.

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- You are a only person who has ever introduced me

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saying that I graduated from Cambridge.

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It is true, yes, I spend a lot of years.

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I did actually graduate as well.

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I'm probably not their proudest alumnus.

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- Oh, I don't know about that.

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- Oh, no.

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- The way things are moving these days,

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yeah, well, this is getting more and more out in the open,

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more mainstream, these concepts are getting more accepted

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across the world in something that in the past,

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someone from Cambridge might have poo-pooed now

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or is more, I think they're more curious, I think.

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- Possibly, I live for the day

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when Cambridge would recognize this kind of knowledge

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as being such an extraordinarily intellectual institution

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that I actually learnt philosophy while I was there

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and I gave up because it was so heady

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and so non-related to life.

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And I was interested in life, you know,

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I was just a young girl I wanted to learn about life

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and I couldn't find it at that time,

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but you're right, things are changing

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and I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 10 years

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we see that maybe sooner, that would be amazing, wouldn't it?

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- And then they'll look back and go,

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wow, she was ahead of her time.

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- That's right, and it'll give you a plaque

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and everything on Cambridge.

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(laughing)

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- Yeah, never look for the plaque.

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- Maybe a bench for sure,

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it'll be a bench somewhere.

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- No, I don't want the plaques and the benches.

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(laughing)

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The knowledge to be shared.

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(laughing)

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- But then let's get, I need to ask the question.

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You were in a particularly, I guess I should pre-worn people

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that there might be some triggers,

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but your study with the Chinese energy

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was precipitated by a loss that you experience.

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- Oh yeah, no, we don't need to be shy about it.

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- Yeah, so when I was 30, my sister died of a brain tumor.

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And there'd been about 21 months,

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from when she was diagnosed to when she died,

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but it does change your life.

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I grew up in a middle class family where things like that

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don't happen to people like us.

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I don't know where I got that idea from,

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but you know, you just feel safe when you're a kid,

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unless you don't, if you grow up in an unsafe family, you don't.

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But I grew up in a safe family, in a safe environment.

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And I was shocked to the core that something,

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that that happened.

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And so it made me question the fundamentals.

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The most fundamental things I questioned at that time

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were around health.

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I realized that, or what I concluded at least,

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was that I couldn't rely on doctors to fix my health,

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'cause they hadn't been able to fix my sister.

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And I somehow also came out with this conclusion

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that I couldn't rely on anyone else to fix my happiness.

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And therefore my health and my happiness belongs to me.

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And I think that was actually what triggered this whole journey

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initiated by an acupuncture session,

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funnily enough, where I just, I knew,

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because I'm good at talking,

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I knew that if I went to psychology or psychotherapy or something,

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I just talked, I talked my way through anything.

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And I could convince them of anything.

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I was sure of that.

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So I knew I couldn't go to a talking therapy.

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So I got introduced to acupuncture.

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And that was the moment that everything changed

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because the Chinese approach is so fundamentally different.

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And it worked so fast.

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Like 45, I went in blocked, like an emotional walking blockage.

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And I came out happy and relaxed and myself again.

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45 minutes.

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See, that's amazing.

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Wow.

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And I think not enough people know about the power of acupuncture

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and things like that, because I don't know that the people in the West,

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so we went on a cruise a while back and I ended up,

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I have terrible migraines.

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And I went to on the cruise, there was a guy who was from China

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who was actually offering these introductory sessions.

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And I went to it.

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And he could tell things about me just by looking at me

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that no one has ever said before.

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And the interesting thing is no one,

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that I knew did acupuncture had that level of expertise.

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It was only because it was so highly trained in that field in China

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and then brought it here, that it made a difference.

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So I wish more people, because here you can take a six week course

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and you're an acupuncturist.

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Oh my goodness.

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Where's China?

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I was thinking about this just very thing yesterday.

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I worked with the Chinese acupuncturists

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who saved my husband's life, actually.

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Oh, yeah, I believe it.

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Literally, he'd had a really serious brain injury.

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And this guy did some magic, not even with needles, in fact, at that time,

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but with some chopsticks and some rubber bands.

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Literally.

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Wow.

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Most extraordinary thing I've ever seen.

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He'd been in the Mongolian army from the age of 13.

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He'd trained as an acupuncturist in the Mongolian army

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and they have a lot of head injuries.

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This worth telling the story just because it's, I'll keep it short,

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because it's so fascinating.

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He put a chopstick in my husband's mouth.

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And then he put two behind his ears

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and fastened them with rubber bands.

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And then he put, like, built like this kind of frame around his head.

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And then he took two chopsticks and tapped on it

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and moved the hemorrhaging, the bleeding

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that was going on inside his skull.

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His two skull plates were out of alignment.

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And he just threw the resonance and the vibration very gently taps them back into place.

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And when he--

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Wow.

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He told me later that he had four of the five Chinese signs of death when he arrived.

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So he was on a--

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Yeah, he was not on a good trajectory, let's say.

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And I do-- I work with an acupuncturist now who'd framed in China.

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He's Western.

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And he has that.

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He reads your pulses, but you can see he's got a different--

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it's a different type of knowledge.

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It's deep knowing of the health of the human system

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and how you restore that, which is quite different from following a protocol.

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Yeah, and it makes you wonder--

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I mean, if there's any question about the power of energy,

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I mean, things that stories like that have to prove to you beyond--

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beyond doubt, really, that this is a legitimate science.

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It's not even--

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Oh, well, art.

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It is a science.

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It's an art and a science.

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It's an art and a science.

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And when you really understand that and when you really study it,

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like I have done now for how many years--

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22 years, yeah.

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22 years with Chinese masters, 37 years.

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Since I was 30, half--

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Yeah, that's been my life since then.

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And yes, I mean, the most clever scientists in the world

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could come along and talk to me and try to argue

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with me that it's not real.

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He wouldn't make any effect on me whatsoever

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because I have witnessed an experience so much.

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It's just like, well, you haven't seen what I've seen.

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It's the only thing I could say.

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You haven't experienced what I've experienced.

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And if you haven't, that's fine.

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You want to get back to the money.

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Yeah, that's what I was saying next.

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So it seems just too simple to just change the things

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you say about it.

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Is it that easy?

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Or is there other stuff that you have to do to shift?

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That's actually a really, really good question

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because what most people try to do is change their mindset,

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which fundamentally the things they say about it.

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And they're trying to use their minds to change their mindset.

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And it's the mind bit that's kind of a bit off in the first place.

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It's a really difficult thing to do.

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What I had to do and what that message showed me,

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and I actually wrote a lot of messages from money,

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more than 70 of them, and they became the book, Love Money, Money,

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Loves You, which is just the pure raw messages from money

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put into book form.

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Before we go there, though, I mean, you have to call out the fact

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that what you're talking about is you sat down

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and you asked money, what it wanted you to know.

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And you started calling it writing and it came through you.

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How did that come about?

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I actually was, it was a very difficult time.

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I'd had a business failure, had no money, all of that.

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And I was given a little book that had exercises in it.

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And one of the exercises just said,

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what would money like to say to you?

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That's it.

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And I started writing just, and it was like automatic writing.

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I had no control over what I was writing.

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And that was where it said, I would like to tell you to love me.

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And I wrote for about two pages, just with my hand in my notebook.

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And it ended saying, don't wait, just take me.

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I will love you.

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And so it was this love message from money, essentially.

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And in between it said things, I come a very powerful,

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beautiful energy.

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And essentially implied that we've completely misunderstood

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what money really is.

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And there was something about it that felt so true,

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even though I'd never, ever thought that way before.

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No one had ever said anything like that to me.

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But it felt right.

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And then I went on writing these messages.

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And so the answer to your question, Karen,

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is that I needed to grapple with this possibility

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that the energy of money is an energy of love.

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It's not a neutral energy that we can do whatever we like with.

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We can do whatever we like with it, but it is fundamentally

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an energy of love.

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And that is what changes everything.

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And you can't just get that in an instant, I don't think.

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But many people feel it when they hear that first message.

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It's like, oh, this is the first time in my life

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that money actually feels true to me.

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So I make me living a lie.

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You have a video on your website.

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Yeah.

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That it's money speaking to the audience

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and what money wants to say to them.

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And that is exactly what you're talking about.

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Someone hears a message.

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Let's listen to that message.

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This is what money would like to say to you.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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I would like to tell you to love me.

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Smile at me.

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Collect me.

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Enjoy me.

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Feel my power.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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Spend me.

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Invest me.

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Give me.

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Pay with me.

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Take me.

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I am an energy.

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I'm very powerful and beautiful.

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I'm an incredible web of connections.

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I am light.

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You're too afraid of me as you are of many things.

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You can open up and embrace me fully into your life.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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It's not too late.

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You can start now.

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Just open yourself and say yes.

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Be brave.

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Love me.

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Love yourself.

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Love.

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So you can accept my power, my glory, my light, my beauty.

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I'm not the devil.

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I never have been.

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I'm a glorious being of light.

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I connect human beings with each other.

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I'm so flexible you can use me to channel your creativity.

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Just go ahead.

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I'm waiting for you.

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You must open your heart.

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You're too rigid, too afraid.

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And there's nothing to be afraid of.

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You will win, not only me, but life also.

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I'm always here to help you.

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Just accept me.

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And I'll come to you very quickly.

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You've chosen to have more.

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There's a lot of me waiting for you.

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Don't wait.

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Just take me.

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I will love you.

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It's just the first video chapter of your book, is that right?

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Yeah, it's a beautiful video.

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But that's the very first message I wrote, actually.

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I'm reading it with a wonderful musician, Gary Markin,

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my friend, who's playing the piano improvising the music.

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And it's just it merges you in this beautiful energy of money.

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Wow.

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So once you kind of had these messages and this understanding

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or this change of how you see the energy of money,

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how did your-- did you just might start coming in?

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How did that change for you?

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Because if so, I'll listen to that message every single day.

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Well, but I'm wondering--

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I'm wondering if it's the right question to ask.

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For some people, when they read the book,

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that does actually happen.

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It's really surprising how many people

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report actual financial changes when they're reading the book.

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Quite extraordinary ones.

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It didn't happen like that for me.

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Oh, OK.

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I was going to say, you sold one right here.

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But only--

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For me, I wrote it.

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And I ignored it for a little while,

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because I didn't really know what to do with it.

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Like, here I am talking with money.

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I can't tell anybody.

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I'm talking with money.

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I'm like, what an--

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I was still with my Chinese master at that time.

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She didn't want me to talk about it either.

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So I just like--

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I put it in the two hardbox.

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I published it under a fake name,

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because I'd been told I shouldn't publish it.

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So--

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Was it a mirror sacrum?

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No, it wasn't.

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It was joy-prospero.

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Her name is Sarah McCrums, so--

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Mirror sacrum.

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No, no, no.

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Sorry, no.

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No, joy-prospero.

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She's a beautiful name, actually.

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It is.

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It really spoke to the message in the book.

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But what happened was about a year later--

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I moved to Australia.

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I moved away from the Chinese master's system.

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Move to Australia with my husband.

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We had just a very limited amount of money

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to get started with, which was just enough to get a car

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and put a bond on a rental house.

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And then I had to make all my money, everything,

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from scratch in a country where I didn't know a single person.

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So I had to start a business, and then I had about two weeks.

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00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,840
When I finally woke up to what we'd done about six weeks in,

524
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,320
I realized I had two weeks before we would run out

525
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,640
of money, and I had to pay all the bills from there.

526
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,840
And that's where I started using the book.

527
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,640
I had to, because otherwise, I don't know what we would have done.

528
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,480
And then, actually, it wasn't-- look, I'm not going to say it was easy for me,

529
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,440
but it worked.

530
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,840
And that was what was important.

531
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,440
And it shifted my relationships.

532
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,280
So you published the book before you put the tenants into use.

533
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,040
So then you ended up having to go back to the book

534
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,880
that you yourself wrote and put it in action for--

535
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,560
We still have to do that all the time.

536
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,840
That book keeps on giving.

537
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,120
It's the most remarkable thing that was 15 years ago now.

538
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,840
2011, 2010, 2011, I wrote it.

539
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,360
On a seat, every time I go back to it,

540
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:36,520
it just gives a whole new layer or a new level of depth to what's possible.

541
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,080
So it is really quite a remarkable thing to download a book like that.

542
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,920
Sarah, you mentioned quite a bit that this is--

543
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,840
we're not talking about the law of attraction here.

544
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,080
We're talking about something different.

545
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,560
So what differentiates this from the law of attraction?

546
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,120
Yeah, I don't think I would actually go so far as to say that.

547
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,240
We're all talking about fundamentally the same thing,

548
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:06,280
because we are talking about how there is a way of attracting.

549
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,840
So the attraction is definitely very much a part of what I'm talking about.

550
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,200
I think the thing that I've seen with the law of attraction

551
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,440
is that there's not so much energy really paid--

552
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,800
or attention paid to the underlying energy piece of it.

553
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,000
So I think when you really understand the energy

554
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,160
and you watch over many years, the nuances

555
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,160
of how individual people interact with that energy,

556
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,320
it's really easy to make it look as though.

557
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,120
If you just do this and this and this, magical things will happen.

558
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,640
That's what I was promised.

559
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,120
Yeah.

560
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:46,360
And at one level, there is truth in that.

561
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,520
But there are many reasons why people don't always

562
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,160
get those magical things happening.

563
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,880
And I think you have to take that into account as well.

564
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,160
And I wasn't one of those very magical people.

565
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:58,880
I never was.

566
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,840
From the minute I started learning about energy,

567
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,600
I always felt like the kind of dumb one.

568
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,160
You know, having gone to Cambridge University

569
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,400
and having always been the clever one all the way through school,

570
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,800
I landed in a place where I was always

571
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,120
felt like I was the slowest and the one who couldn't get it very well.

572
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,440
Which is probably why I've been so persistent.

573
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,480
And so for me, it was really important

574
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,880
to understand why this attraction process

575
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,880
is so difficult for some people.

576
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,920
And what can we do to make it work better?

577
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,120
And that's one of the reasons why I say, for example,

578
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:35,360
working with mindset is really hard work, really hard.

579
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,840
I think people put tremendous energy into doing

580
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,200
affirmations and trying to change things.

581
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,200
And actually when you change your energy,

582
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,360
your mind changes anyway.

583
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:49,200
So it's much better to work at the energetic level.

584
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,040
That's what I find.

585
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,680
And this whole thing about love is so important.

586
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,720
Relax being able to be relaxed, to be able to enjoy,

587
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,000
and to love.

588
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,520
These are very important things, but they're not always easy.

589
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,520
They want easy for me.

590
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,920
I bet.

591
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,880
Because I'm still not sure if I really understand

592
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,360
the depth to what we're talking about here.

593
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,400
Are you talking about just falling in love with money,

594
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,640
and getting into a relationship with money

595
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,880
that will change your energy at your frequency

596
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,400
to attract it better?

597
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,440
Well, what I've found is actually the easiest way

598
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,920
to get started with this is to see it like that,

599
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,920
to see it in relationship language.

600
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,320
Because it helps you to understand

601
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,400
a lot of things about your relationship with money.

602
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,480
I'll give you a couple of examples.

603
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,680
Anyone who has a personal relationship

604
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,480
will know that if you're grumpy all the time,

605
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,560
if you're nervous and worried and stressed all the time

606
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,400
about the relationship,

607
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,560
if you say, "I want you, but I don't like you,"

608
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,360
all the time, these are the kinds of ways

609
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:53,880
that we have with money.

610
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,160
It's like, "I really want money, but I'm afraid of it.

611
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,120
I hate it.

612
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:58,040
It's corrupt.

613
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,000
It's evil."

614
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,280
Can you imagine treating another person like that

615
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,440
and what kind of relationship you'd have?

616
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,600
You'd get the same kind of results

617
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,080
as you get in your relationship with money.

618
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,480
The difference, and that's what I learned,

619
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,480
from my writing between money and your partner,

620
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,560
is that money itself, the energy of money, isn't loody,

621
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,920
and it doesn't get grumpy and it doesn't reject you.

622
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,720
So it is an energy of love all the time,

623
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,760
but if you close your door to it, if you say,

624
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,800
"I'm not really interested, I just want to ignore you,"

625
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,280
you get the consequences of that,

626
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,240
and it helps me a great deal to understand

627
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,320
what's really going on in our relationship

628
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,320
with this very powerful energy.

629
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,840
It's interesting because then you start thinking about

630
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,800
the people in the world that are so very obviously

631
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,080
in love with money, right?

632
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,560
There's a big subset of people these days

633
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,440
that are pushing against the billionaire lifestyle

634
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,560
or the billionaire set, that kind of thing,

635
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,440
and they feel that they are in love with their money.

636
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,840
That's all, I mean, some people are saying

637
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,040
that's all they love, right?

638
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,480
It's just their money, and so that kind of tracked

639
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,280
with what you're saying, right?

640
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,400
- It's very interesting.

641
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:17,400
It does, and at the same time, if you read the book,

642
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,760
if you really understand what money's talking about,

643
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,880
what actually happens because it's not just about

644
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,080
loving money for its own sake.

645
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,920
So yes, that does help us to understand

646
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,240
why some people make a lot of money.

647
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,120
They are very open to it.

648
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,280
They're very ultra receptive,

649
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,680
and they're willing to do whatever it takes

650
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,440
to enable more of that to flow.

651
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,800
And money's not gonna say,

652
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,720
oh, you're doing this and I don't approve of it.

653
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,720
It doesn't have that kind of judgmentalness like we have.

654
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,560
But I think what happens to people when they really grapple

655
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,600
with the love part is that you actually become somebody

656
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,880
where what your service, your contribution becomes

657
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,720
really important.

658
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,560
So the real promise of the book is that you can align

659
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,880
your relationship with money with your values

660
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,440
and with your principles, so with what you actually care

661
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,800
about and with making the world a better place.

662
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,200
And to me, it was kind of like the predictor

663
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,960
of a shift that's happening in our relationship

664
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,440
with money even as a collective.

665
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,440
Well, we're beginning to say,

666
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,960
hey, we want more than just money for the sake of money.

667
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,320
We want money that is aligned with what we value,

668
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,280
what we care about and what's important for society.

669
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,040
And so that's what happened to me is rather than me becoming

670
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,320
somebody who was focused on being a billionaire,

671
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,520
I became focused on what kind of contribution can I make

672
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,520
to make the world better in alignment

673
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,200
with our fundamental human values.

674
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,440
And so it's pushed me to start and get into businesses

675
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,000
that I would never have dreamt that I was going to do

676
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,240
because I had to answer that question.

677
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,080
- Right.

678
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,800
- So people will say then,

679
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,960
if you're doing something with the right intention

680
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,520
and because you love it, then the money will come.

681
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,880
So would you say that along with that,

682
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,040
you have to consciously have that relationship

683
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,120
with money as well?

684
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,080
- Yes, I mean, it's an interesting one

685
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,960
because it's a bit like saying,

686
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,080
well, if you have the right intention

687
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,560
and you're just in love with your partner,

688
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,960
everything good will happen.

689
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,560
But it's not that intention is important

690
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,320
and love is important,

691
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,680
but your behavior is important as well.

692
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,480
You can say, well, I just love you like crazy,

693
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,760
but just behave in a way that isn't compatible

694
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,320
with having a good relationship

695
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,240
and that will have an impact.

696
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,760
You can say, yeah, but I intended well.

697
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,960
Yeah, but your good intentions haven't had good consequences.

698
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,760
- Like an abusive relationship of sorts.

699
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,600
- Or it could be,

700
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,760
or it could be just like an okay relationship

701
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,720
rather than the kind of love relationship

702
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,480
that we all love to have.

703
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,320
So I think that's the other thing.

704
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,120
We always wanna make things into it.

705
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,720
It's just like, it's easy just do this one thing

706
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,400
and you're gonna be a winner,

707
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,720
but actually winning at life,

708
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,680
it actually says in the very last,

709
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,680
about the first message,

710
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,040
it says you will win not only me,

711
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,440
but life also, money's saying that,

712
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,720
like if you stop being so afraid

713
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,920
and really embrace this energy,

714
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,880
you will win not only money, but also life.

715
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,760
And the thing is winning in life isn't a formula

716
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,400
or a trick or a hack.

717
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,080
It's a way of living and learning and growing

718
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,120
and observing and being conscious and being aware

719
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,200
and making mistakes and messing up

720
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,920
and having to say I'm sorry

721
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,320
and having another go

722
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,320
and getting better at loving somebody

723
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,440
and getting better at loving your life.

724
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,680
That's an art and the science you're practicing

725
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,760
for your whole life.

726
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,680
Your relationship with money is part of that.

727
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,480
It's not part of a get rich quick scheme.

728
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,560
- Right, so then I assume by extension,

729
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,280
sometimes some relationships,

730
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,240
some partners become very, needy, very clingy.

731
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,120
You hang on to things, you put it aside

732
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,680
and someone else can touch it or look at it

733
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,040
or be around it.

734
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,120
I would assume, we're talking in relationship styles.

735
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,720
- Yeah, so you get jealousy, you get possessiveness,

736
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:28,240
you get greed, you get all the negative financial habits

737
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,920
come out of a relationship with money

738
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,760
that's based on this kind of neediness and possessiveness.

739
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,680
Is it exactly, exciting?

740
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,200
- So there's an old saying that says,

741
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,280
if you love someone, set them free,

742
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,400
if they come back, it was meant to be, right?

743
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,160
Is this, I mean, I'm assuming this is right

744
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,960
at the same line, yeah, it could still be the good thing.

745
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,080
- It is really, it's not always easy for us to do that.

746
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,680
- Very sure. - But for sure.

747
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,880
- But again, we see that when we let go

748
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,440
and trust our partner to be the person they can be,

749
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,600
rather than for women, especially we tend to try

750
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,680
to control our partners and try to mold them into the person

751
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,440
we think they ought to be, which never works.

752
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,080
- Yeah, it's right. - And we actually let them be

753
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,840
the person they are, they turn out to be better

754
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,520
than we thought they were.

755
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,480
And the relationship works better.

756
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,320
So yes, that is it.

757
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,840
And the beautiful thing is, money does let you do that.

758
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,520
Money will let you be as grumpy and it'll let you ignore,

759
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,040
it'll let you do whatever you want.

760
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,560
But I tell you what, you do feel the consequences of that.

761
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,120
- Man, I was home free.

762
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,280
She was saying I could be grumpy and now I can't.

763
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,720
(laughing)

764
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:36,720
- No, it makes perfect sense.

765
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:39,360
Everyone says energy's money's energy.

766
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,880
So if you, it's an exchange of energy

767
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,160
and so sending a free makes perfect sense to me.

768
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,720
So let's talk about what people can actually do.

769
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:51,320
You teach something called thank you money

770
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,280
and you have a concept of beautiful requests.

771
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,760
So someone's listening right now

772
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,040
with a stack of bills that they can't pay,

773
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,480
not meditating on their yacht stress, real stress.

774
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,000
Like what's the very first thing you would have them do?

775
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,840
- Actually, if I'm really honest,

776
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,720
the thing that I would say is read the book.

777
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:15,400
I don't say that 'cause I wanna sell books.

778
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,120
I love selling books, but I say it because it actually changes

779
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,480
your understanding of what money is.

780
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,600
And it's extraordinarily hard to change your relationship

781
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,920
with something if you think it's the great corrupting

782
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,600
force of the world.

783
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,200
Or if you think that if you make more money,

784
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,160
something awful might happen to you

785
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,040
or that you'll be a greedy, horrible person.

786
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,600
And these are the kinds of things that sit

787
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,360
in the undercurrent of our life.

788
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,480
So we actually need to shift our understanding

789
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,920
of what money is.

790
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,640
Then money will say to you,

791
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,760
hey, relax about me.

792
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,320
Enjoy me, love me.

793
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,800
But everyone thinks, oh, I know how to relax.

794
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,960
They don't know how to relax about money.

795
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,640
They don't really know how to enjoy money unless they do.

796
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,840
And they don't really know how to love money

797
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,000
in the way I'm talking about and let money love them.

798
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,320
This very beautiful exchange of energy and value.

799
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,080
So first of all, just learn something different about money.

800
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,600
And then it will tell you, relax, enjoy, love.

801
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,320
Those are my key instructions.

802
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,480
All right.

803
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,120
So it makes sense in a way also when people who are out there

804
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,880
and you hear about people who they really don't like

805
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,560
someone that has a lot of money.

806
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,760
They have this thought process about that person.

807
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,920
They have a judgment about that person.

808
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,320
When in essence, it's blocking them in a way,

809
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,440
because they're assigning that to the audience.

810
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,480
Well, you're judging people who make at least a certain amount

811
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,240
of money, of course, that has an effect

812
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:53,720
on your relationship with money,

813
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,880
because you're saying, I don't want to be like that person.

814
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,920
I don't want to be like that person.

815
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,160
Actually, what we should do is say,

816
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,280
well, I'd like to learn the good bits of that person.

817
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,480
How is it that they make money?

818
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,160
But I want to keep the good bits of myself.

819
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,560
My values, my principles, well, what I stand for,

820
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,800
what I care about.

821
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,880
That's the sensible way to do it.

822
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,040
But what we do is we judge, we have opinions,

823
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,680
and we reject the very thing that we want.

824
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,360
It's incredible that that's so true.

825
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,560
We reject the very thing that we want.

826
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,560
Wow.

827
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,120
When you say it like that, it just seems so simple.

828
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,760
And you know something that I feel,

829
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,720
you know, this isn't something that you're really

830
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,160
supposed to say, I think.

831
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,480
But what I notice is somehow it comes from my soul,

832
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,320
that they're like the deep part of myself.

833
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,720
This desire for prosperity, which I don't see as,

834
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,720
you know, just having lots of money in my back account.

835
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,360
But to have this a beautiful life,

836
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,120
I think that that's a soul desire.

837
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,480
I think our soul comes in here.

838
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,080
It doesn't say, look, I'm coming here to suffer.

839
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,120
It suffers.

840
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,880
There's suffering that goes on.

841
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,200
But it's always in the search of something better.

842
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,200
So I think the desire for abundance and prosperity

843
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,800
is a really deep human desire.

844
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,160
And then to cut that off by saying,

845
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:12,160
but anyone who follows that desire is somehow bad.

846
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,520
Or, you know, terrible risk of being corrupted.

847
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,920
That messes with our internal energetic flows

848
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,760
in quite a significant way.

849
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,440
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850
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,600
- Well, we're gonna leave it there

851
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,880
because we had some technical challenges

852
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,480
and our internet here, Karen and I,

853
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,160
ours connection just kept dropping.

854
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,120
Don't know why that was.

855
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,240
Maybe money was mad at us.

856
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,840
I don't know, but regardless, we had to cut it short

857
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,680
because of that.

858
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,960
The conversation was pretty much complete.

859
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,600
All that we needed to do was to say goodbye

860
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,040
and feel bad that we weren't able to do that on the air.

861
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,840
But know that I know for a fact

862
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,520
we're gonna have to air back on the air very soon

863
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,760
because she's so wonderful.

864
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,160
She's so knowledgeable.

865
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,360
And her message is so beautiful.

866
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,400
Something that we really need to live by.

867
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,240
For sure.

868
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:03,200
I feel very strongly about that.

869
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,360
But if you enjoy this, we would love for you to leave us

870
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,480
a five star review on Apple Podcasts.

871
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,400
It does go a huge long way towards getting these messages

872
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,240
in front of a lot of people.

873
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:15,600
It gets social proof that the show is actually worthwhile

874
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:16,720
listening to.

875
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,880
And if you know someone who would benefit

876
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,160
from this conversation, just forward it to them.

877
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,440
You never know where someone is

878
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400
and how their life could change

879
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,000
just by you doing a simple thing like forwarding

880
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,040
an episode of our show to them.

881
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,080
And of course don't forget newrealitytv.com.

882
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,120
It is the streaming platform where we try to battle

883
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,920
all that fear based programming

884
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,760
that's being sent out as from a redirection.

885
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,160
Let's come together as a community

886
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:49,160
and support each other through this time of challenges.

887
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,160
Together we can raise the consciousness of the planet

888
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:58,160
and we know that you are a part of that solution with us.

889
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,000
So newrealitytv.com.

890
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,080
In any case, thanks so much for listening.

891
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,000
Thanks so much for watching.

892
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,160
We'll see you on the next episode of the Skeptical Musicians.

893
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,320
Until then, take really good care of yourself.

894
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,900
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895
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:14,480
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896
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