Stop Trying So Hard: DIY Spirituality with Faith Freed
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Spiritual Awakening Intuition

Key Takeaways

  • Spiritual exhaustion often stems from treating spiritual growth like a performance review or a second job rather than a personal journey.
  • The Divine Disco Ball framework maps spiritual connection across four dimensions: body and mind, soul and spirit, infinite source, and the natural world.
  • You do not need an elaborate, rigid daily practice to be spiritual; sometimes simply pausing, observing, and allowing yourself to be in the present moment is enough.
  • Treating spirituality like a curated playlist allows you to keep what genuinely lights you up and release practices that only bring obligation and guilt.
  • Spiritual progress is not a straight line to an ultimate destination of enlightenment, but rather a series of touch points and micro-rituals that keep you connected.

Spiritually exhausted? Therapist Faith Freed reveals why your spiritual practice might be the problem, and how to build one that actually fits your real life.

What if the reason your spiritual life feels like a second job is because you've been following someone else's job description? In this episode of The Skeptic Metaphysicians, Will and Karen sit down with Faith Freed, licensed psychotherapist, spiritual guide, and author of DIY Spirituality: Chart Your Own Sacred Path, to explore one of the most overlooked causes of spiritual burnout: doing it wrong for you, not doing it wrong in general.

Faith spent nearly two decades in clinical practice, trained at the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology in Palo Alto, and has seen firsthand what happens when people treat their spiritual growth like a performance review. Spoiler: it doesn't end in enlightenment. It ends in a meditation cushion being used as a footrest.

What you'll hear in this episode: Will opens up about something he's never discussed on the show before. after years of daily meditation, breathwork, sound baths, energy healings, and spiritual retreats, he still doesn't feel "further forward." Faith's response reframes the entire conversation: the goal was never a destination. It was always just a practice of touching in.

Faith introduces her Divine Disco Ball framework, a four-part map of spiritual connection built around body and mind, soul and spirit, infinite source, and the natural world. The framework isn't diagnostic or prescriptive. it's a navigation tool. When one quadrant feels heavy or overworked, you simply rotate to another.

Will also has a live breakthrough moment on air. connecting a spontaneous mystical experience he had years ago in the Atlanta airport to a pattern Faith identifies in real time: being alone in a crowd might actually be his spiritual sweet spot. It's one of those genuine, unscripted moments that makes this episode worth the full listen.

Key topics covered:

  • Why spiritual exhaustion is more common than spiritual failure, and how to tell the difference
  • The "spiritual playlist" concept. keeping what lights you up, releasing what you force out of obligation
  • Why micro-rituals (as short as 60 seconds) can be more sustainable than elaborate daily practices
  • The difference between spiritual presence and spiritual distraction, and how your intuition already knows which is which
  • What "authentic spirituality" actually means when the word has been flattened by wellness culture
  • How a phone fast, a solo trip to an amusement park, or simply watching rain can be a legitimate spiritual practice
  • Why Faith believes you don't have to do anything at all. and why that's both liberating and surprisingly hard
About Faith Freed: Faith Freed is a licensed psychotherapist, spiritual guide, and the founder of Freed-Om. She holds a master's degree in clinical psychology from the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology and has nearly two decades of clinical experience. Her newest book, DIY Spirituality: Chart Your Own Sacred Path (Collective Book Studio, 2026), offers an illustrated, accessible guide to building a personal spiritual practice outside of rigid religious or wellness frameworks. Faith offers spiritual guidance sessions to clients worldwide and can be reached at faithfreed.com.

Connect with Faith Freed:
Website: faithfreed.com
Book: DIYspirituality.com
Instagram: @faithfreed

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Frequently Asked Questions

What is DIY Spirituality?

DIY Spirituality is an approach to personal spiritual growth that rejects rigid religious or wellness rules, allowing seekers to curate their own sacred path based on what genuinely resonates with them.

Why do I feel spiritually exhausted after meditating for years?

Spiritual exhaustion often happens when practices are forced out of obligation or treated as a rigid checklist, turning spiritual growth into a performance review rather than a joyful connection.

What is the Divine Disco Ball framework?

Created by Faith Freed, the Divine Disco Ball is a four-part navigation tool representing body and mind, soul and spirit, infinite source, and nature, allowing you to rotate your focus when one area feels overworked.

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stop following someone else's truth, build your own with a

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disco ball, knowing that really stay with us. This might

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to it. Thanks for listening. Hey there, I'm Will and

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I'm caring. Welcome back to this Getting Memusicians, a show

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where we give you full permission to throw out the

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rule book, keep what works, and finally, stop feeling guilty

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Our guest today is a Faith Freed. She's a licensed psychotherapist,

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a spiritual guide, and the founder of freed own Get It,

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a company built around what she calls DIY spirituality Now.

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Faith has spent nearly two decades in clinical practice helping

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people find clarity, confidence and connection, and along the way,

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she noticed something most of the people she worked with

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the quiet guilt of never quite getting it right, so

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she built something different. Her Divine disco Ball Framework maps

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your body and mind, and the natural world around you,

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and it lets you decide which one needs tending and

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when and how. She's the author of multiple books, including

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you get to create faith. Welcome to skeptic physicians.

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I think that, you know, because I think that spirituality

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I think you said spinning your wheels. You know, you

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mental process, and I think that is you know, explained

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soul and the spirit are going to be the area

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want to feel engaged when you're doing your spiritual practice. Right,

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there like me that are feeling the same way. So

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when we talk about specifically the stuff that I'm going through,

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for example, I am aware of the fact that we

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deeper than just a husband and wife or friend or

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brother or sister, but much deeper at the soul level.

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then something will happen at work and it'll ruin everything

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do the more meditations, affirmations like what am I doing wrong?

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is a process. It's I think that's why we have

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practices and rituals, because it's like upkeep, you know, and

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like so many things in your relationship, you have to

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make an effort. You have to bite your tongue sometimes,

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be patient, you know, and remember love is a verb,

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it's yes, there's effort and I hear that, and and

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is this all going? You know what a why? Actually

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what have I gained? But it's uh, it is a

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kind of a work in progress, and it's something that

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you know, it's where you have to lift the weights,

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you know, three times a week to to see results.

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I think you have to just keep keep with your practice,

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but in your notice when it when it does work,

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because you're right. I mean you you go for the

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run and you feel amazing. You probably have an endorphin

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high for thirty seconds, and then you find that someone

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you know parked so you can't get in your car

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I feel I feel your pain because that is that's

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what my life is like too, and I think it's

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what we all experience. So that's why we have we

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have to have touch points to go back to to

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lift us back up and get us back into the

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zone you know, of of the divine. And I think

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too it just simple ways of connecting in those times

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are good. Like you know, I don't believe that if

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you're connected with your source, things are going to be

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easy and everything is going to be you know, lovely

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and bells and rainbows. It's just you know, you can

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be connected with your source in the good times and

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the bad and in the dull times and in the

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trying times. And that might be a good way to

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test your connection, not just hey, do I feel amazing?

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Do I feel you know? Do I feel have I

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touched bliss? Do I have the oneness you know? Within me?

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I feel supported? Do I feel like I can ask

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does this make sense? You know? Show me. I think

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that you can feel connected in those kind of ways too,

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raised in this culture changes a little bit our quest

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for this connection because I think it's almost the way

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you're describing it. You start to treat it like work. Yeah,

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it's your job, and it's you know, I've got to

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do this at this time, I've got to do this

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for this long and it becomes thing.

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and with this you're not getting your paycheck. So there's

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that dissatisfaction, but you're not realizing the subtle changes that

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are happening along the way, And I think that's the key.

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If you can start to maybe see some of those,

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you won't be so upset when you don't see the

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big you know shebang at the end of the week.

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of big changes in me in the past several years.

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But the fate do you have to do something like

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do you have to do a practice or can you

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find your way in a simpler way?

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and you don't have to do a practice, right, I mean, yeah,

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you don't have to.

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think this is the first time I'm actually talking about

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this on the show, but I'm finding myself much more

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aligned with not practicing instead just allowing myself to be

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right and the power of just being as much of

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being in the moment as I possibly can be. The

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easier it is for me to connect, it seems like.

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I talked about people doing all these things and still

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having a hard time finding it or being exhausted. Maybe

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the answer is just put it all down and instead

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find yourself.

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Well I was just going to say, you know, it's interesting.

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After I got my license, I think, you know, as

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a psychotherapist, I had a doctor tell me to do

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nothing and he said, don't even meditate, just sit on

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a park bench, and you know, and it was so

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mind boggling because I thought, you know that if I

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was going to sit on a park bench, I should meditate, right,

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because then I'm going to get more bang for my buck. Right.

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think that I don't have to meditate in the stillness.

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so I think just you know, you're getting into the

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essence of life and of yourself and simplifying. And I

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think that to take away the idea that there are steps,

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you know, three tips to enlightenment, it's not you know,

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and saying hey, it's not true, is it. I think

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you're right on target there.

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for someone to be able to do that as it

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would for them to say, start a new meditation practice.

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to kind of do nothing. And the thing too, is

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we're saying do nothing, but it sounds like there's an

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intention to stay connected or stay you know, lit up.

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right now, are you doing something? I don't know. That's

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a toughy, but I think that people like structure and

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they like routine, and so you know, it's helpful to

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just keep it on your radar if you have something

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to signal, don't forget soul in spirit today, like you know,

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eleven eleven on the clock or whatever it might be.

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It's nice to have. You know, you have the meditation

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cushion that may or may not be used as a footstool,

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but in some way it's just a miner. Right Have

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I been still today?

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and I took my daughter to Bush Gardens because she

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was going there with a bunch of friends and someone

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had to supervise chaperone. But once we got into the park,

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they all just scattered, and I was that they're going okay.

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That's a better way of putting it right. Right. And

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so when I told my friends that I went to

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Busch Gardens and I spent the entire day by myself

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at an amusement park, they were all like, oh my god,

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that must have been terrible. What were you doing. It

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was the most amazing thing I had had done in

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a very long time because I was able to notice

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the people around me, the dichotomy. I mean, it's the

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whole sidewalk cafe thing, but on steroids. I was able

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to see people on roller coasters and eating and lists,

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watching shows and connecting with what life was really about.

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keep it charged to make sure that my daughter could

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reach me, so I couldn't be on it. So it

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was actually incredibly freeing, which is what started me on

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this path of just allowing myself to live in the

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present moment. And I think that helped a lot. Now

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you have in your book You've got this divine disco

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ball framework, and I called it out in a teaser,

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but I have to mention it. We have to talk

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about it because people are going, why would you bring

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up a disco ball into the whole thing, right, So

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tell us about your disco ball framework.

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ball since like two thousand and eight and when disco

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was really out of fashion, and now there are disco

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balls everywhere. But it is the symbol that I chose

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just to capture my spiritual bases. There are four of them,

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because it makes me want to celebrate, and I think

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that's what life is all about, you know what you're

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talking about at Bush Gardens. It sounds like a celebration,

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you know, just observing people and enjoying everybody kind of

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experiencing things that delight them and thrill them. And so yeah,

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so it's a nod to the party of life. And

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I feel like celebration is a form of worship, if

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you will. It's a form of gratitude right for this life.

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So that's why it's a disco ball.

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Four areas that are different colors, the first being body, mind,

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so that would be like a portal right to your divinity.

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Then you have soul spirit and then infinite source or

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your source, the divine however you conceive of that, and nature,

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which is the Divine embodied. So those so you know,

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you sort of.

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If you you may say I've been overthinking my spirituality lately,

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you could move to a different quadrant and check that out,

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Like maybe you go to nature.

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And just go into the woods or whatever it is.

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I don't know if you actually have gardens at Bush Gardens,

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but oh.

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Yeah, okay, apparently it's the prettiest park in the world,

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right theme park down in vision like eighteen years in

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a row or something crazy like that. It's it's beautiful.

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Yeah, go to the gardens, you know.

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And I love so much that you call it a

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disco ball. And it just reminded me of this dream

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I guess that I had a while ago where I

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was just drifting off to sleep and I just had

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this like vision and it was just all black and

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then this like shimmering ball appeared and it was made

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out of just like I don't know, like a sphere

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like you could kind of see through it. So I

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had like the lines going this way and the line's

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going this way across it. But it kind of was

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like a disco ball. It was this big, listening, glitterly

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beautiful sphere and in my head whatever you know, I

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was dreaming or thinking or seeing, was saying, well, this

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is this is what consciousness is.

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Wow. Wow, Yeah, she gets all the cool downloads. I

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just get the hey go be alone.

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Well I love that. And it's liken it to the

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moon as well. I think, you know, there's there are

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a lot of ways you can spin that disco ball. Yeah.

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Yeah, So is it like you know those psychological I

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know you're a psychotherapist. Is that one of the psychological

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tests things that they have the quadrants forgot what they're called,

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but you know, right, I M F P J whatever.

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That where you in your disco ball? You are in

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if you're looking for your spiritual practice based on your answers,

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this is where you fit in or is it something

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that you can evolve or move from one to the.

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Next you can wonder from.

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But I didn't know if you were. But I just

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I don't know if you had a propensity to be

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in one in one section most of the time, and

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maybe you benefit from going to another because of it

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or something like that.

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Yeah, well, I mean there's nothing diagnostic in the book,

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you know, because I think people are fluid with their spirituality,

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especially if they're di wires, so you know, you might

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be at one point today and another point tomorrow. There

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there are some suggestions in the last chapter of you know,

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if you're feeling a certain way, maybe you're a little

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weighed down by being too much in one area of

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that of the disco ball, you might then look to

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something else to kind of get you out of that

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rut and lift you up or get a fresh perspective.

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So you could take a look at that. But yeah,

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I don't, I don't know. I feel like, you know,

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the the flavors are going to change where you are

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at any given on any given day, probably if you're

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a spiritual eclectic.

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Okay, so you you mentioned that when I look was

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looking at first of all, when I looked into you.

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Your website is very psychotherapy slanted with spiritual stuff in it,

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which is really cool because it's a very different dichotomy

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than usually it's the other way around. How does the

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psychotherapist get into spirituality? How did you write a book

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about spiritual. It is not your first book about spirituality either,

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So how did that shift happen?

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Yeah? Well, you know, the website thing is so funny

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because I have a diyspirituality dot com. Ah that's really

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dedicated to the book. But I wanted to keep my

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website sort of clean for clients so they weren't overwhelmed

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or confused. Also, you know, we have to be careful

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not to be too salesy, at least that's I don't

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want to come off that way. I don't maybe some

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people don't mind. But anyway, that happened because I went

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to the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology for my master's degree

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in clinical psychology. It was a school in Palo Alto

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no longer exists, and you can probably tell from the name.

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It was extremely spiritually imbued and there was a way

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in which psycho psychology and spirituality devetailed, and that was

439
00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:05.680
like my sweet spot and I just loved it. We

440
00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:09.640
were learning ikto I got certified in spiritual guidance. You know,

441
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:14.599
we were studying Young and Maslow and you know, these

442
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:20.119
fabulous trailblazing thought leaders, and so I just I've always

443
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:27.559
felt like spirituality and faith are ways that you can

444
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:34.720
find peace, you know, in the privacy of your own space,

445
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:39.240
you know, without seeking help and sometimes and so you know,

446
00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:42.680
it's it's it needs to be pointed out. I think

447
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:45.039
it's sort of an underutilized tool in that way.

448
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:49.799
So we with all the interviews and conversations we've had,

449
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:56.240
we we understand how well that connects together. What has

450
00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:03.000
been the reaction of your peers.

451
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:02.880
Well, they don't give me too much trouble. I mean,

452
00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:06.079
I think the people that I know are doing really

453
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:10.240
interesting things, and a lot of them have they have

454
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:15.359
a specialty, you know, or a podcast or what have you.

455
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:19.759
I think people are intrigued and very supportive.

456
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:22.000
That's good to hear.

457
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.920
Well. I have a sweet spot for therapists that are

458
00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:28.920
understand the spiritual because that is the reason why I'm

459
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:32.400
here today. Because it wasn't for my therapist, I would

460
00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:34.920
have lost everything. She was going to turn me on

461
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:39.119
to meditation, and I've never looked back. So I owe

462
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:41.759
her and you and all the folks like you who

463
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.759
truly understand the importance of both sides of your brain

464
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.000
a huge thank you, so thank you for that. Now

465
00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:53.680
we're talking about spiritual practices and a lot of there's

466
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.920
a myth out there that you really have to have

467
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.960
these elaborate practices. Right, You've got to meditate twice a day,

468
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:00.680
and you've got to do breath work and whatever, and

469
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:02.519
you got to do attend retreats, and you have to

470
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.440
do all this kind of stuff. But you talk about

471
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.839
the power of a micro ritual. Can you share some

472
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:09.960
of that in sure with us?

473
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.920
Oh? Sure, Well I alluded to it before when I

474
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.680
mentioned eleven eleven on the clock. And you know, I

475
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:22.160
really encourage people to pick their own thing. I mean,

476
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.400
it could be every time you see a certain color car.

477
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:29.359
It doesn't matter, really, it doesn't. It's just that you

478
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:32.880
have a queue that is going to bring you to

479
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:38.319
maybe one minute of connection, and that can be spent

480
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.839
in any way you want. I always run through. Why

481
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:44.480
do actually run through the four quadrants during the minute

482
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:49.200
and do a little gratitude prayer, you might say, But

483
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:51.920
you can do what you could even just be still

484
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.079
and just go within and get in touch with you,

485
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.720
you know, your inner world and your sensations, and check

486
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.640
in with your nervous system and say hello to your

487
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:06.039
soul if you want. I think these these because we're

488
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.319
so busy, and we have so many things that we're

489
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:10.920
trying to do, and then there are the things that

490
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:14.720
we have to do, you know, and the unforeseen challenges

491
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.279
that arise every single day. It's nice to have just

492
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:23.000
these quick and easy gets that will remind you you're

493
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:23.559
not alone.

494
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.839
Do you have to set like alarmould? Should you set

495
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:29.920
an alarm every once in a while to get those

496
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:33.440
reminders or can you? Should you just rely on what's around?

497
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.759
Well, this is where it's so personal, okay, because right,

498
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.359
I mean you what what's going to work for you

499
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:46.440
is what you should do. And some people like that alarm,

500
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:51.079
you know, tactic to remember things. It's not a bad one,

501
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.920
especially if you make it a nice tone or a

502
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.759
pretty little chime music.

503
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.319
Yeah, yeah, right, So blaring rock and roll not.

504
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.799
A good idea like that.

505
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.480
I remember we have the disco ball, so I just

506
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:07.440
wanted to just dance it out.

507
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:13.200
For what you just do? The hustle, Well, I just

508
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:13.839
dated myself.

509
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:18.880
Well yes, I'm right there with you. But I think

510
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:24.000
that is a great way to express gratitude. Like if

511
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.839
you had to the hustle, like come on on your

512
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.039
phone once a day and then you actually kind of

513
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:30.039
did the hustle.

514
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:31.880
Actually actually did it?

515
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.920
That would make you smile really big.

516
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.400
Till you would Yeah, until someone walks in your office

517
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:37.839
and goes, what.

518
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.480
No, because then they're smiling and your both just laughing.

519
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:41.920
Oh maybe you get then you do the hustle with

520
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:43.279
you and then.

521
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:44.079
You get the whole line going.

522
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:49.200
So that actually leads me to my question, because that's

523
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.640
a little bit of a connection. So people, when you

524
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.519
think you're talking about if you're just connecting for a minute,

525
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.119
I think a lot of people are expecting the connection

526
00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:58.960
to be like this, whoa, you know, like you're just

527
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.839
you're out there your brain, you're feeling all the glory

528
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:05.240
of it. But it's not. I don't think like that

529
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:07.759
all the time. Can you tell us, or tell our

530
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.400
audience some examples of some small things that could be

531
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:13.799
a connection that they might not realize so that they

532
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:16.000
don't get disappointed.

533
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:20.240
Yeah, well, so they don't get disappointed. Well again, we're

534
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:21.440
back to expectations.

535
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.880
I think, you know, well.

536
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:28.279
Maybe so they'll realize it. Maybe that's a better way

537
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:29.599
to put it. You know.

538
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.119
It's like, I know, we've talked about coincidences and if

539
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.279
you reframe them as little miracles. It's like a different experience.

540
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:41.160
Yes, yeah, well you could do something as simple as

541
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:46.599
look at a flower and then really look at it

542
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:51.119
again and notice the intricacies of you know, the center

543
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:53.839
of the flower and the formation of the pedals and

544
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:58.839
all the nuanced colors there, and maybe look at it

545
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:05.759
and you feel something, something that might be like awe

546
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:13.599
or or curiosity or wonder just lending yourself yes, and

547
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:18.960
then you know, then comes probably if you want gratitude,

548
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.279
you know, it's like and then then there's like this connection,

549
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:28.400
you know, like like thank you Universe. I can't believe,

550
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.079
you know, I love rain. I mean, if it's raining,

551
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.680
I am celebrating, really find it. I'm trying to find it.

552
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:39.400
I'm the complete opposite. I can't I wither when it's raining.

553
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.720
I'm such a child of the sun.

554
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:42.119
Yeah.

555
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:44.599
I think I like the permission to just be inside

556
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.000
and be cozy and like read a book or just something.

557
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:52.400
I don't know, but you know that I have sort

558
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.319
of a spiritual relationship with rain. And I notice when

559
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.480
it happens and I feel like I'm involved, not that

560
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.000
I'm causing it, but it's like a sign or a message,

561
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.279
and it's you know, a purification or whatever it is.

562
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:11.839
But there we can make meaning of things. And a

563
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.559
lot of times you're just going through the grind, right,

564
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:20.000
and we forget that there's magical around.

565
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:21.279
Yeah, and a question.

566
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.160
Yeah, I think that that sense of wonder in awe

567
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:31.160
and gratitude is something that is tangible enough that you

568
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.720
can feel, you can feel a connection.

569
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.000
So I guess the first step really is finding what

570
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:43.000
it is that jazz. Is you enough? Right, That's the

571
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.000
first step that you have to find. But it's not

572
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:48.079
an easy first step because now we're back to trying

573
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:51.279
all these different modalities because you're trying to find that

574
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:56.960
one that fits you. Right. Do you have a like,

575
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.160
is there a roadmap that you know this go try

576
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:00.799
this one, it doesn't go to this one, and this

577
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.759
one doesn't work, go to this one, or you just.

578
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:03.079
Kind of.

579
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.440
Hey, the it's will If you're one of those folks

580
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.440
that's waking up to something bigger than what the mainstream

581
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:13.440
media keeps trying to shove down our throats, you might

582
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.279
feel like you're the only one who sees it. I'm

583
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:19.599
here to tell you you're not. You're not alone. See

584
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:25.000
new reality TV is where seekers skeptics, truth chasers. That's

585
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.920
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586
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587
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There's no subscription, there's no gatekeeping, just real conversations about consciousness,

588
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:42.960
spirituality and the questions that nobody else is brave enough

589
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:47.480
to ask better than anything else. No fear response, no

590
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:52.640
content that's meant to enlicit, this fear response that seems

591
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.960
to be so pervasive in our world these days. This

592
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.920
is a network that you tell your friends about at

593
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:02.000
two o'clock in the morning, do yourself a favor. Search

594
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595
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596
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:11.119
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597
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:15.599
This is a network that gives us the kind of

598
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.719
programming that we need that's going to raise our consciousness,

599
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.719
not try to divide us or try to keep us

600
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:28.119
down wallowing in fear. Your reality. If you accept it,

601
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:30.679
just got a whole lot bigger.

602
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.000
You know, there are there are a bunch of examples, yes,

603
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:39.719
in the book, and they're illustrated, and they're written very simply.

604
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:43.840
And I also think that things that you're already doing

605
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.320
and that are intuitive that you already know about are

606
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:52.639
great to try, and you can try flavors of things

607
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.679
like I just started doing yin yoga. I used to

608
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.239
think it was so boring, but I now kind of

609
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:02.119
appreciate it, right, But for you, like I would just

610
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:05.679
notice what lights you up and then do more of it.

611
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.559
So like maybe you do want to go to amusement

612
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.960
parks by yourself and turn off your phone, I mean

613
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:16.159
all getting aside like if that, if that somehow lights

614
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:20.039
you up, there's something in it for you, and maybe

615
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:24.679
it's you know, you're I like to think humanity is

616
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.679
our community, is our community, so you know, because a

617
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:33.960
di wire doesn't really have a group practice per se

618
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.320
unless that's part of their DIY. But if you're going

619
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:43.639
to bush gardens and you're feeling like you're enjoying the

620
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:48.360
love that people are experiencing there through their joy, you know,

621
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.039
that's very rich and it could be a pointer. Like

622
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:57.840
maybe maybe you like to experience crowds by yourself. I

623
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:02.440
don't know, but it's certainly could be. I mean, if

624
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.840
it feels good and if it meant something to you,

625
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.119
then that that would be an idea of what you

626
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:10.360
might include in your di.

627
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.400
Y right, So really you need to be very aware.

628
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.519
So in something jazz is you know, you go, oh

629
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.400
this might be something, and didn't follow that path as

630
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.239
opposed to a path that was that you assume is

631
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.159
the one that you're supposed to do. Like I'm supposed

632
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.000
to do breath work. I'm supposed to be a past

633
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.199
life progression I'm supposed to.

634
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:30.840
Do, and it probably needs a path where you need

635
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.320
to be present, not like oh I love playing video

636
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:34.960
games that makes me happy.

637
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:38.400
I mean, you're just being distracted.

638
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:40.559
Well that's true, that's true. That's a good point. Right.

639
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.679
So what when where is the line between being jazz

640
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.800
and being spiritual and being distracted?

641
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:52.800
Yeah? Yeah, I mean you can to spirituality probably on

642
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:56.559
YouTube and it's a weird combo. That's actually we're doing

643
00:36:56.599 --> 00:37:04.440
this right now, people from their spirituality with technology and entertainment.

644
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:06.639
Well, we like to think that we are helping them

645
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.480
defind their spirituality.

646
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.280
Yes, okay, yeah, okay, so answering, we have to answer

647
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:14.639
the questions, so can I have it again?

648
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.599
Yeah? So how do you find the line between the

649
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:20.840
actual spirituality and just a distraction?

650
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.719
Yeah? Yeah, you know, we know what's good for us,

651
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:28.800
and I think even young adults. This book is dedicated

652
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.159
to young adults who are launching, you know, and because

653
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:37.239
this is a portable support toolbox for them. But we

654
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:42.280
can all benefit from from having a spiritual soup. And

655
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:47.679
so I think that your intuition will tell you if

656
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:50.480
you're diving too much into stuff that's not good for you,

657
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.760
whether it is like being on your phone too much,

658
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:56.639
or the video games or junk food or you know,

659
00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:00.400
you you know, and it's up to you to to

660
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:05.880
take care of yourself and make those discerning choices. So

661
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:12.400
if you're feeling low, then you can try to get

662
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:14.920
back in touch with nature, back in touch with your

663
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:18.599
soul and spirit. Right, you can do something devotional and

664
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:20.760
I think it will move your energy.

665
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:27.360
Yeah, okay, so.

666
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.480
Now you seem like a skeptic for sure, this big pause,

667
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:34.719
what's coming?

668
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:40.039
No, it's trying to put the pieces together because well,

669
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:40.960
I mean, you have to be.

670
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.000
A little bit of a grown up about it, you know,

671
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.679
young adults, you know, you got to know when someone's saying, okay,

672
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:47.480
you need to take those No, don't try so hard

673
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:49.039
and just kind of relax into it. That doesn't mean

674
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.199
just go sit on the couch eat chips to watch TV, like, no, there's.

675
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.719
But for example, the bush Gardens, right, I could say, sorry, Karen,

676
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:57.519
I've got to go to bush Gardens every every weekend

677
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.000
because I need to be I need to follow my spirituality.

678
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:01.800
Yes, And when you went to Busch Gardens and you

679
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.079
you came back saying that you'd had this day where

680
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.000
you were outside and you're feeling the breeze on your

681
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.559
skin and watching the people and literally listening to the sounds,

682
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:10.679
that if that's what you need to do every weekend,

683
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:11.800
that's what you need to do every weekend.

684
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:13.800
But then you couldn't it just be that just just

685
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.320
want to go be distracted by all that stuff I

686
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:18.480
want to go, right, I mean I can.

687
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.639
Oh, I mean that's different. It guess it depends on

688
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:26.320
why you're going. Yeah, does it depends on why you're going?

689
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.400
Well, you know what, I think one of the things

690
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:35.719
you're getting to is just presence. And you were present, yeah,

691
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.480
you know, and so you showed up for that fully

692
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:43.039
and you were there in the moment. So it is

693
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:47.519
important to be present. And if it's at Busch Gardens,

694
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:51.360
that's okay, and you should go every other weekend or whatever. Yes,

695
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:57.039
I mean, you know, we deny ourselves of these simple pleasures.

696
00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:58.239
It's strange.

697
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.800
Well, it's it's easy for ca and to say that's

698
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:02.519
what you should be doing. But after a couple weeks,

699
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:04.920
she's gonna be like, hello, I need you to do

700
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.159
some work around the house, buddy.

701
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.320
You know you can do that before you do, I

702
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:10.920
didn't hear her say that.

703
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:18.159
No, trust me, seriously, No, it's not like that. But

704
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:20.599
after you're gonna be bummed that I'm not around because

705
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:22.360
you're always a push card. And how about spending some

706
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:23.679
time with us kind of thing? Right?

707
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:24.880
Oh, i'd miss you.

708
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:26.480
I miss you too.

709
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:27.639
Why can't she go with you?

710
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:29.239
Because that wouldn't be alone.

711
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:35.000
Yeah, but maybe you can. Maybe you can be alone

712
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.679
at the farmer's market and turn off your phone while

713
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:40.199
you're shopping for groceries for her.

714
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:42.800
Oh, I see what you did there.

715
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.480
I like that. I love her. She's very very wise.

716
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.639
Yes, But just the turning off the fact that your

717
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:52.280
phone was dying, I think saved you. I think that's

718
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.039
probably was the gift of that experience. And there is,

719
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:57.199
you know, a page in the book about phone fast

720
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:02.559
and it's actually I just emailed you before we went

721
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:04.840
on air that I don't have my phone and if

722
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.199
I forget my phone, I just don't get it because

723
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.519
I you know, I like vacations from my phone. Right,

724
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:13.880
don't you just get into texting like as soon as

725
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.079
you get up and it's like you're off and running

726
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:16.880
and that's your day.

727
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:19.199
No, one hundred percent. I think I think the phone

728
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:23.039
is probably the single biggest obstacle to my peace of

729
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.679
mind ever. And I'm constantly on it. I can't put

730
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:27.159
it down. In fact that times when I do put

731
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:28.360
it down actually feels really good.

732
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:29.599
And then you get mad at me and I don't

733
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:31.639
know what my phone is because I've left it because

734
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.119
I'm like I got to deal with it down well.

735
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:34.679
Right, true? Right too?

736
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:35.239
Yeah?

737
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.840
But then this this borders something like the word authenticity, right,

738
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:43.159
Authentic is thrown around this wellness space all the time, right,

739
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.880
but what does it actually mean to have an authentic

740
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.800
spiritual experience? Because that's what we're trying to find the

741
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:51.880
answers to you, right.

742
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:56.760
Yeah, Yeah, I'm so curious about how fed up you

743
00:41:56.840 --> 00:42:00.239
are with all of these words and these practices. Is

744
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:06.960
in the whole culture that's so fascinating. So Okay, I

745
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:11.320
think if it is what rings true. So if I

746
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:16.559
were to say to a client, you know, I guess

747
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:18.599
let's not use that example. If I were to say

748
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:22.239
to you, why don't you meditate twice a day instead

749
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.079
of once a day? Okay, So let's just you know,

750
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.000
you might do that, and you might really not like that.

751
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.400
You might it might not work for you, and in fact,

752
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.559
it might make you not even like to meditate at all.

753
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:36.800
And so obviously that's not the right thing for you

754
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.360
to do. And now if you feel like, hmm, I

755
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:45.119
don't know if meditation is really doing it for me anymore,

756
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:52.880
you could shift to presence, which I think is doing

757
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:57.119
it for you, and say, look, every day, I'm going

758
00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:59.199
to turn off my phone for half an hour and

759
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:01.719
I'm just gonna leave it in the drawer and I'm

760
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:06.400
going to go outside and be quiet and try that.

761
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:13.119
And if that feels to you more connected, more nourishing,

762
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:19.559
more appreciated, then do that instead. So I think it's

763
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.000
it's a personal practice that you have to you where

764
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:28.760
you're curating based on what hits the tuning fork for you.

765
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:37.920
Okay, So then we step into the realm of spiritual

766
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:41.880
practices that say you have to do this or you

767
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.679
have to do that in order to reach whatever goal

768
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.679
that that spiritual practice is meant to reach. So if

769
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:57.400
you become part of a group, let's say that says specifically,

770
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.920
thinking about that meditation between I went to few your

771
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.320
yars ago where you meditate at eight o'clock in the

772
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:04.320
morning every day, you meditated at five o'clock in the

773
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.039
afternoon every day. In between, you fast and you silent.

774
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:13.960
For that, there's many hours do What would you say

775
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.840
to those people that say that the only way to

776
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.079
reach enlightenment or spiritual growth is to have that type

777
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.079
of that ambition. What am I looking for?

778
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:24.639
Discipline?

779
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:29.039
Discipline, because you're saying the complete opposite. You're saying, do

780
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:33.039
what spirit moves you. But there are practices that say

781
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:34.679
this is the only way for What would you say

782
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:35.199
to those.

783
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:39.199
Folks, Well, I want to ask you, after you did that,

784
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:42.639
did you feel different? Did you feel like you got

785
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.719
let's call it results from that experience.

786
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:50.360
I mean, during it, I felt pretty good, but afterwards,

787
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.840
it was probably very shortly after I got back that

788
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:55.840
it just I was back to normal.

789
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:01.400
I would say, yeah, And I don't regard word your

790
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:06.039
spirituality as any less valid than the person who's leading that.

791
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.519
Okay, so.

792
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:14.280
I resonate with what you're saying, because I've been to

793
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:18.400
a lot of these things and there are prescribed methods,

794
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:25.400
and if that's your jam, that's awesome. But it's if

795
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.199
you're putting on somebody else's suit and it doesn't fit,

796
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.800
it's just it's not for you. And I don't believe

797
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.159
in the promises. I don't believe in you know, go

798
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.760
to Kundalini yoga and you'll have whatever. Kundalinian rising. I mean,

799
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:45.159
I think it's it's very experience based, right, And but

800
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:48.880
the interesting thing too is that it it's kind of

801
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.480
like we're we're opening ourselves up for something to happen

802
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:55.679
to us, and there are ways to do that, and

803
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.519
yet really what we want is just for something to happen,

804
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:01.159
do you know what I mean? And it's like, well,

805
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.559
I did all these things, why did nothing happen?

806
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:04.079
Right?

807
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:09.480
And so it's okay to try stuff if you enjoy

808
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:13.199
it and then see, you know, but maybe just go

809
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.440
curiously without expectations.

810
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:21.119
But then how do you feel about that thought process

811
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.199
when you do something over and over and over and

812
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:24.559
over and over and over and over again. You do

813
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:26.280
the same way every time every time, don't you fall

814
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:29.519
into a rut? Does that make you automatically kind of

815
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:34.840
lose that spiritual sense or am I it's just wrong?

816
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:43.920
Yeah? I mean, listen, what you're saying is valid. You

817
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:48.519
could look at it like, you know, practicing is important,

818
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.440
and so if you keep with it when you're bored

819
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.280
and you get to the other side and you're still practicing,

820
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.599
then that's you're on a path, you know what I mean.

821
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:03.159
And that's cool. But if you if you feel like

822
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:07.000
it's not the thing you are your if your heart's

823
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.119
not in it, I don't know. I mean, maybe do

824
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:14.440
something else. But I do think that you know, we're

825
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.639
such different people, right I teach the anteagram. There are

826
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:20.400
nine different types of people that we talk about, and

827
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:23.079
we have such different personalities. And I'm the type that

828
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:28.159
really loves freedom, and you know, people who get bored

829
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.480
or who like variety, you know, they may not do

830
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.639
well with with that type of a of a practice.

831
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.239
And and so that's where you dip in two different things.

832
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:44.159
Okay, Okay, so then everyone's different.

833
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.599
And yeah, I mean there are some people that that does.

834
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.840
Work for well. I just I just always thought that

835
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:52.639
we talk all the time about growth happening at the

836
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:54.280
edge of your comfort zone. So if you just only

837
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.360
stay in your comfort zone, you're not growing. So you

838
00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:57.519
have to can stretch.

839
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.000
Outside of that growth only to the edge of your comfortation.

840
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.360
I kind of do, honestly, but that's just me.

841
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:06.639
But those are two different ways. Well, yeah, I'm sorry,

842
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:07.199
I didn't.

843
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:11.239
Mean to No. Please, you are a guest. Yes, you

844
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:12.880
should be the one talking way more than us.

845
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:15.760
No, no, no, I just I think that both are

846
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.559
getting you out of your comfort zone. Whether you're sticking

847
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:22.119
with a with a practice that you just continue to

848
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:26.679
do regardless, I think you're out of your comfort zone

849
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:30.920
there too, because you're you're sticking with it. It's like

850
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:32.639
when you go to the gym, but you don't feel

851
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.679
like it, you know what I mean. Right, So you're

852
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.519
getting out of your comfort zone because you're not doing

853
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.320
what you really want to do, which is not doing it.

854
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.880
Or you're getting out of your comfort zone by trying something.

855
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:46.599
New, right, or you're getting out of you are getting

856
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.360
out of your comfort zone by leaving it because it's

857
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:51.639
not doing anything. It's not giving your results that you're

858
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:53.599
looking for. So you leave to find something else that

859
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:55.920
might give you more. I mean, I'm like being a

860
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:56.400
dead horse.

861
00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:02.440
I'm well, I'm curious, like, have you guys stumbled upon

862
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.320
in all of these interviews that you've done, like anything

863
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:09.079
that felt like you discovered the thing that is going

864
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.679
to be your jam, your spiritual you know, playlist that

865
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:14.400
you want to play over and over.

866
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:17.679
At me. I'm curious for your answer.

867
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:22.880
I would say I've had pretty good success success with

868
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:28.119
breathwork and as far as making that connection, feeling really connected.

869
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.000
I don't do it all the time. I don't really

870
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:33.119
hardly ever do it, but you know that's my And

871
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.760
then I complained that's the problem. But I think that's

872
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.039
something that for me personally worked pretty well.

873
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:44.159
I have not. I have not and people we go

874
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:45.840
into the people's shows all the time, they ask us,

875
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:50.119
what's the one thing that really I can tell you

876
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.159
a bunch of different things that were really nifty, were

877
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:56.599
really cool, right, but the one thing I don't know

878
00:49:56.639 --> 00:50:00.360
that I've found the one thing? Yeah my boat.

879
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:01.400
Yeah.

880
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:06.760
Well, I mean you're the skeptic metaphysicians, so maybe you'd

881
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:08.280
be out of business if you found it.

882
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:12.519
Oh so you think the psychotherapist speaking now, right, So

883
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.320
you think maybe I'm blocking my finding my thing because

884
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:16.400
I don't want it to change.

885
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.320
You might be committed to searching. Oh lord, that's a

886
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:22.760
practice too, is it.

887
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:26.559
No, I don't like that practice. I want to find it.

888
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:27.880
I'm a fighter and you're.

889
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.719
On the edge of your comfort zone and you're learning.

890
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:35.280
But well, I mean, have you ever had an experience

891
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.840
where you felt connected to something greater than yourself or

892
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:40.599
to your own soul and spirit?

893
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:42.519
Oh? One hundred percent. In fact, I was in the

894
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.000
airport in Atlanta one time, and out of the blue,

895
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:47.599
it was the weirdest thing, out of the blue. I'm

896
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.960
walking towards my next flight on the next gate, and

897
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:53.159
I had to stop because I was breathless. All of

898
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:56.320
a sudden, I felt myself. I understood like I was

899
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:59.639
connected to every single person in that airport, and I

900
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.199
couldn't explain it, and I couldn't shake it. All I

901
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:04.480
knew was that that person was another version of will.

902
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:06.800
That person was another version of will, and that person

903
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.719
we were all just going about our lives in different

904
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:13.519
ways and experiencing different things, and it was perfect and

905
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:14.239
then it was gone.

906
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:16.119
That's amazing.

907
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.599
I have been trying to find it again since then,

908
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:20.440
and I've not been able to find it. But it

909
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:24.519
was I did. I did experience that are mushrooms? I was.

910
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.119
I was not. No, I wasn't on anything. I was.

911
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:32.000
I was on traveling for business. Yeah, I was.

912
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.440
Have your meditation practice going during that time frame?

913
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:37.800
Yes, I did. Yes.

914
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.480
Do you attribute it to anything that you brought on?

915
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:49.199
Good Lord? You know what, I just put the pieces together.

916
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.320
You know what the common denominator between that is For me?

917
00:51:53.280 --> 00:52:01.639
I was alone in the sea of people. It's my thing.

918
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:03.800
I got Apparently it's my thing.

919
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:06.400
Yes, So I don't have to go to all the festivals.

920
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.920
I mean just every once in a while, right, Wow.

921
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:11.760
So yeah, no, that that's true. I had. I had

922
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not make that connection. I had never made that connection before.

923
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:17.719
But yeah, that was the one unifying thing that was Wow.

924
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.400
I was just traveling on my own. I was listening

925
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.719
to a spiritual podcast in my ears. I was walking

926
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:25.800
from one gate to the next, and all of a

927
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.239
sudden it just macked me in the face maybe stop

928
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.000
and I had to catch my breath. It was incredible.

929
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:32.599
That's amazing.

930
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.599
Yeah, And I don't think you have to have those

931
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:39.559
experiences all the time, you know, just having had an

932
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:43.360
experience like that, you know you want to I do.

933
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:43.880
I want to.

934
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:47.199
Well, I'm really curious what they were saying on that podcast.

935
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:49.920
I don't even remember which one it was.

936
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:51.440
Yeah, I don't know.

937
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.440
I listened to so many that it could have been anything,

938
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:55.599
honest line, But I do.

939
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:59.960
Think that you could probably find that now that you know.

940
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:03.480
Well, now you mentioned mushrooms, are you Are you promoting

941
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:06.199
the fact that we maybe people should try mushrooms to

942
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:07.400
get connected to like that.

943
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.239
No, I'm not. That's not my thing. But you know

944
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:12.239
how I said, a lot of my colleagues are into

945
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.000
certain things and they have specialties, like I could hook

946
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:19.199
you up, but I got the hook up.

947
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:22.159
I know, guy, people.

948
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:26.800
I respect a lot really believe you know, in psilocybin.

949
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.320
I'm just not. It's just not it's not.

950
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:33.199
My thing, right, I have actually been curious about psilocybin.

951
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.039
I just I know it's not legal, so I haven't

952
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:36.960
done it because I don't want to break the law.

953
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.880
Said it in posterity on the recording, so that there

954
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:41.880
you go. No matter what I did not, I would

955
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:42.400
not know.

956
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:44.719
And I don't think you need to do it, because

957
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.760
the thing is like when you have an experience like

958
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:54.920
you did at the airport, that's really what you would

959
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:55.519
be going for.

960
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:59.199
I think anyway, right, I just I guess I could

961
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:03.280
only imagine I would be able to access it more routinely.

962
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:08.039
I guess if I was microdosing, for example, or going

963
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.239
on a one hero's journey or I don't know, I

964
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:13.599
have no idea. I've done them, so we'll see. But

965
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:15.119
with the time that we have, I want to make

966
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.159
sure that we do a little bit deeper dive on

967
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.119
your book because I kind of saw on your on

968
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:21.159
your site you've got a little sample, like a fifteen

969
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:23.199
page sample of it, and it's really fun. It's a

970
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:26.360
fun looking book. It's not a typical like thick book

971
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:29.719
that you read, know for for yeah, it's it's just

972
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:33.480
has a lot of illustrations, a lot of illustrations a

973
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:35.679
lot and the illustrations are really fun. It's just it's

974
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:40.199
just a fun book. So what in your estimation, what

975
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:44.960
gap does your does your book fill? And how is

976
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.000
it different from a lot of the other spiritual guides

977
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:47.840
that are out there.

978
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.719
You know, it's a serious topic, but it's it's held

979
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:57.760
lightly with this book. It's really meant to be a

980
00:54:57.760 --> 00:54:59.599
coffee table book that you can put like on your

981
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:03.880
night's and just crack open and have a little light

982
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:06.880
thrown your way. And that's funny that I said that,

983
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.000
because this says shine, love and light and this is

984
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:14.320
a heart map. But anyway, so it's dedicated to young

985
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:19.559
adults because we do a lot of talking about the

986
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:21.679
empty nest and how to handle that, but we don't

987
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:26.159
do that much for the launching young adults. And I

988
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:28.400
feel like, you know, what are they supposed to do

989
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:31.159
when they find themselves in a different town and they

990
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:33.679
are no longer under the roof and they feel like

991
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:37.880
they don't have any grounding. And so this is meant for,

992
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:44.400
you know, people who are seekers, but also for young

993
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.360
adults and people of all ages to have a sort

994
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:52.719
of portable foundation that they can draw on any time,

995
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:53.920
very easily.

996
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.320
Well, I love that I read the fifteen pages I

997
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had available to.

998
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:00.760
Me, and I think that's just such a great idea,

999
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:03.559
because it's true. You think about that empty nesters, you

1000
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:05.400
think about children and teens, but you don't think about

1001
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.639
the people that are all of a sudden having the

1002
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.880
biggest life change imaginable. They're on their own, they're trying

1003
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:12.719
to figure it all out. Oh my gosh.

1004
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:14.360
There should be tons of books like that.

1005
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:14.719
Thank you.

1006
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:20.079
Yeah. So what's the feeling that you want readers to

1007
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:23.360
feel the most when they close the book after having

1008
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.639
experienced it. What is it feeling you hope that they get.

1009
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:33.000
I hope that they feel excited to lean into their

1010
00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:38.159
diy spirituality. I feel like it is permission sort of

1011
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:42.840
to do it your own way, and so I hope

1012
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.159
it's an encouragement. You know, it's sort of like a

1013
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:45.800
green light.

1014
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:52.039
Okay, So all this conversation about finding your spiritual playlist

1015
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:54.320
and all that kind of stuff, do you help people

1016
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:57.960
to find that on their own? Well?

1017
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:02.760
I can sometimes, I'm you know, it's it's I feel

1018
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:08.119
like it's such a personal thing, and it's funny how

1019
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:14.119
I don't. I don't go around talking about spirituality regularly

1020
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:18.159
to all the people in my life clients. I'm really careful,

1021
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:21.400
you know, if they're if they come for psychotherapy, then

1022
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:24.199
I let them lead, and if they don't want to

1023
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:26.960
talk about spirituality, it will not come up. Sure, but

1024
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:31.840
I do spiritual guidance, so it if somebody wants to

1025
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:34.760
explore that in specific. I can do that. I can

1026
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.000
help them with that, and I enjoy doing.

1027
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.480
It, Okay, because I know as a as a psychotherapist,

1028
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:42.039
you're you can only practice in certain areas, right, so

1029
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.760
wherever you are that's I think you're in California if

1030
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.719
I'm not mistaken, so that you practice there, So you

1031
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:52.239
couldn't necessarily practice in Virginia, for example. But for spiritual guidance,

1032
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:54.079
maybe I'll bet you're off.

1033
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:59.360
Yeah, exactly right, So I can. I can basically coach

1034
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:04.039
or or be a spiritual guide to anybody you know,

1035
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.320
no matter where they live. But I wouldn't take on

1036
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:10.719
a psychotherapy client who wasn't living in California. So that's right.

1037
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.760
It's very is two to you. So if you would

1038
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.000
like to have a spiritual guidance session with me, And

1039
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:17.960
by the way, if you don't have my book, I'm

1040
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:19.480
sending you one. I thought you had it.

1041
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:20.000
I'm sorry.

1042
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:21.719
Oh no, that's okay. We love it. We'd love to

1043
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:23.239
have a copy, yes, but we don't have one yet.

1044
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.199
No, okay, we have a kid that's going to be

1045
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:28.239
launched in a few years. Yes, I'll be good.

1046
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:28.360
To have.

1047
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:32.480
Okay, absolutely.

1048
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:36.199
Yeah. So then if someone wants to buy your book

1049
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:40.159
or reach out and get connected with you for spiritual guidance,

1050
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:42.719
there's two different places to go to for that, right

1051
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:46.000
or yeah, where where should someone go? Yeah?

1052
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:48.719
You know what, just faith free dot com is a

1053
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:52.119
great place to go. And then you'll see there will

1054
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.280
be a link to the book and it'll take you

1055
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:56.639
to diy spirituality dot com.

1056
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.119
Okay, perfect, we'll get and I do have a.

1057
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:01.840
Contact form, so if you or someone you know and

1058
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:05.280
love wants spiritual guidance, you know, you just fill out

1059
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:05.719
the form.

1060
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.079
Okay, perfect. Well we're going to add a link to

1061
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:09.960
our show notes. So if you didn't have a pen

1062
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:11.800
in that particular point in time, you want to connect

1063
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:14.280
with Faith, all you need to do is go to

1064
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:16.599
skepticq a position dot com, go to her episode page.

1065
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:18.880
You'll find those links laid into directly, so it's easy

1066
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:22.920
for you to connect and find your faith.

1067
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:29.760
Look at you, so what you did there?

1068
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:33.679
Faith? Thank you so much for coming on the show.

1069
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:35.599
We didn't even get a chance to talk about Freedome,

1070
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.320
which I'm really really curious about, but maybe well we

1071
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:40.639
got a couple of minutes. Tell us really quickly. What's Freedome?

1072
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:41.360
Tell us about that.

1073
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:45.360
Well, that's a brand that I'm launching that is meant

1074
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.719
to offer people tools to enhance their spirituality and also

1075
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:54.719
signal their their DIY spirituality with a little divine wink.

1076
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:58.199
And so that's in the works coming soon.

1077
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:01.599
Well, I love that time, so I'm definitely gonna follow

1078
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:02.400
you so I can find it.

1079
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:05.079
Thank you, and I love it that you have this.

1080
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:10.119
You've introduced a new, a new DIY spirituality in terms

1081
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:14.039
of going into a crowd by yourself, Like wow, I mean,

1082
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:16.719
what could be more authentic?

1083
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:24.519
A touche doctor faith. There's been an absolute pleasure getting

1084
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:25.679
to know you. Thanks so much for being on the

1085
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:26.599
skeptic my positions.

1086
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:28.639
Thank you, thank you for having me
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Faith Freed

Licensed Psychotherapist & Spiritual Guide

Faith Freed, a licensed psychotherapist with two M.A. degrees, spiritual guide, and the dynamic voice behind the new book, DIY Spirituality (Collective Book Studio, 2/17/2026).

Faith blends clinical expertise and real-life insight to help others find clarity, peace, and purpose. DIY Spirituality is a fresh, no-rules guide for anyone craving deeper meaning outside traditional religious structures. Savvy, sassy, and down-to-earth, it’s perfect for modern seekers ready to craft a spiritual path that's all their own.

In the book, Faith introduces the Divine Disco Ball framework—four key dimensions of spiritual connection: Infinite Source (the divine), Infinite Self (your spirit), Incarnate Self (body and mind), and Incarnate Source (nature). With playful illustrations and practical tips, each chapter helps readers tune into their unique spiritual rhythm.

Faith can speak to a range of topics, including, but not limited to:

DIY Spirituality: How to creatively design your own spiritual practice, no rules required.
Ditch the four walls: Faith shares the importance of stepping into nature—catch a sunset, feel the grass under your feet, or notice a seasonal wonder each day.
Build Your Playlist: Just like music, spirituality hits differently for everyone—remix practices and create a path that’s uniquely yours.
From Tradition to Freedom: Faith can share her own journey from traditional religion to a liberated, intuitive spirituality.
Letting go: How to release guilt, rules, overthinking, and perfectionism in your spiritual life.