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Karen, Yes, I need to be honest just for a second,
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just for a second.
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You know, I'm always actually honest, I.
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Know, but you know, it just sounds more fun that way.
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Oh okay, how many half finished spiritual practices do you
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have sitting around right now? You know, like crystal you
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bought with good intentions of breath work app you open twice,
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meditation cushion that's currently being used as a foot rest,
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not as as you well, and so all those I
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just mentioned the crystal breath work that's just from this
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year alone, right apparently, Karen, Yes, there are approximately four
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and eighty seven and a half ways to be spiritual.
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I'm going no, no, forgot imagine anything plum collection, Oh
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gosh no, but we got meditation, prayer, sound bass, crystals, forrest, bathing,
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graduate journaling, fasting, not fasting, thing positive thoughts a while fasting.
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Today's guest has looked at all of that and said,
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what if you just didn't? I like that that it's
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easy to do, right. Well, she's a license cycle therapist
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who sent spent nearly two decades watching people torture themselves
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over whether they were being spiritual correctly. Oh, her prescription
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stop following someone else's truth, build your own with a
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disco ball, knowing that really stay with us. This might
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be the most freeing hour of your week and it
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requires absolutely zero crystals. My name is Will and I'm garious,
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and unlike moulderin Scully.
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Both want to believe.
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So we've embarked in a journey of discovery.
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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
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metaphysical world.
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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even
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joined a coven of.
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Witches and wait, you joined a coven?
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Yep, all the interests of finding something, anything that will
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prove that there's something beyond this physical.
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Three dimensional world we all live in.
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This is the skeptic metaphysicians. Hey there, it's Will, just
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stepping in here for a second to ask you for
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a favor. See the The main reason we do this
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show is to help others in their spiritual awakening, and
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nothing makes us happier than to hear or read messages
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from those that are resonating with the messages we're sharing
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on the show. So if you have a moment, we'd
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love for you to leave us a review on Apple
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podcasts or any other podcasting platform that supports them. Karen
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and I love hearing from those that are moved to
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message us. It truly does fuel our passion. You are
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the reason we do this show, and knowing what you
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like and don't like, that's going to help us craft
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the very best show we can so that we can
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help raise the vibration of the planet together. Okay, I've
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kept you from the interview long enough, so let's get
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to it. Thanks for listening. Hey there, I'm Will and
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I'm caring. Welcome back to this Getting Memusicians, a show
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where we give you full permission to throw out the
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rule book, keep what works, and finally, stop feeling guilty
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about that meditation cushion that you may or may not
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be using as a footrest. Caring, are you mely can't be?
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Our guest today is a Faith Freed. She's a licensed psychotherapist,
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a spiritual guide, and the founder of freed own Get It,
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a company built around what she calls DIY spirituality Now.
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Faith has spent nearly two decades in clinical practice helping
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people find clarity, confidence and connection, and along the way,
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she noticed something most of the people she worked with
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weren't spiritually lost. They were spiritually exhausted by rules that
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they didn't even choose right, labels that didn't fit in
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the quiet guilt of never quite getting it right, so
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she built something different. Her Divine disco Ball Framework maps
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out four dimensions of spiritual connection, your source, your spirit,
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your body and mind, and the natural world around you,
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and it lets you decide which one needs tending and
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when and how. She's the author of multiple books, including
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her newest release, DIY Spirituality Chart Your Own Sacred Path,
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and she is here today to make the case sirituality
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isn't something you follow or get right. It's something that
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you get to create faith. Welcome to skeptic physicians.
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Ah, I'm delighted to be with you, both of you.
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Where are you? Thrilled to have you here?
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And now that I know what we're going to be
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talking about today, I'm even more thrilled and I love.
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So let's just dive right into the topic, right, Why
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why are there so many people? Why is spiritual failure
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so common? And where does that actually come from?
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Oh gosh, spiritual failure, what a leading question?
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Welcome to skeptic Physicians.
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Yeah, okay, let's go. So I don't think of I
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don't think of it like that. I Actually the way
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that I view spirituality is that if you're connecting in
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your own way in a way that rings and resonates,
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then you're doing it right. So yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, maybe it's more about reframing that your spirituality
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is yours to curate and play with, and you know,
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and you can always update it, but the idea that
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you do have to do it a certain way is
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really not what I believe, do you know what I'm saying?
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So what if you.
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Are doing practicing in a way that feels really good
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to you, it resonates, you feel like you're doing it
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all right, nothing's happening.
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Yeah, asking for a friend, okay?
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So yeah, oh okay, So you're trying to get me
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to tell you that's a failure and I'm not going to.
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I think that, you know, because I think that spirituality
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is kind of like a buffet of things that you
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can try on and you keep what works and let
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go of what doesn't. And so I really respect that
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you guys have sampled lots of different things, you know,
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like back in the day, we used to make a playlist,
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like on a cassette with all of our favorite music.
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I mean people still do that. I guess you know digitally,
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but you know it's your favorite songs of any genre.
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your own playlist. So if you're if you're doing a
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practice that isn't moving you or lighting you up, you
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might just want to, you know, dispense with it for now.
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new things is a great idea. It's part of the.
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Process, right And in fact, when we started the show,
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it was about exploring all these different modalities and seeing
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what's fit because I was trying to figure out what
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the heck right, what's going what was going on? But
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as of late, I am one of those that is
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feeling spiritually exhausted. It's it's one of these things where
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I've been meditating every single day for years I have.
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sound bass, we've done all that kind of stuff, and
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they feel good, but we don't feel I don't feel
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like I'm many further forward or more advanced than I
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was when I started five years ago to a certain.
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Extent, and maybe it's about managing our expectations.
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been working so hard to get enlightened for lack of
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a better term, and yet I'm finding that all I'm
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doing is spinning my wheels. What do you recommend? How
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can I how can I get off the hamster wheel
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and actually find real progress?
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is kind of like what are your expectations and what
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does that end goal look like? You know, it feels
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like this quest for enlightenment might be a lofty goal.
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I have my questions. I think in this life, we
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have ego and it serves us and we have to
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have that. So, you know, it's maybe not enlightenment. Maybe
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it's glimpses of bliss or moments of feeling really connected
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or feeling lead. And so if something just tickles your
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arm hair, you know, or maybe you have an incredible
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insight or a moment of light during a meditation or
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after a yoga class, you know, those that's what we're
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looking for. Touching in right, and when you say spinning,
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I think you said spinning your wheels. You know, you
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could look at it like, you know, this isn't a
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mental process, and I think that is you know, explained
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in the book in terms of all these different areas
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that we can touch upon. So there's the mental and
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the physical, which is usually the entry point for us
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because we're human and that's where we go. But then
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you have your soul in your spirit, and so the
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soul and the spirit are going to be the area
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I think where you want to feel turned on, You
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want to feel engaged when you're doing your spiritual practice. Right,
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to overthink it. And then if you feel like, all right,
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here I am five years later and I don't feel
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any different, any better, anymore connected with myself or my source,
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then you could change it up and do some different things.
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I would suggest that probably the meditation is serving you
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in ways you might not know, but you know you
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can stop and you can do other things.
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Right, right, Well, let's talk ably the specific stuff, because
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I know the audience is there's bound the people out
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there like me that are feeling the same way. So
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when we talk about specifically the stuff that I'm going through,
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for example, I am aware of the fact that we
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are all connected. I am aware that the connection goes
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deeper than just a husband and wife or friend or
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brother or sister, but much deeper at the soul level.
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And I would like to feel that connection all the time,
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and yet I don't as much as I try to,
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then something will happen at work and it'll ruin everything
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for me, and then I have a hard time getting
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back into it. So then my answer is always to
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dive back into the books and do the breath work,
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do the more meditations, affirmations like what am I doing wrong?
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Yeah, I hear you. I think you're described being what
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it's like to be human, and that you know it
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is a process. It's I think that's why we have
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practices and rituals, because it's like upkeep, you know, and
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like so many things in your relationship, you have to
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make an effort. You have to bite your tongue sometimes,
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be patient, you know, and remember love is a verb,
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you know, like faith is a verb too, So it's
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it's yes, there's effort and I hear that, and and
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I think it's easy to sort of say, well, where
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is this all going? You know what a why? Actually
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what have I gained? But it's uh, it is a
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kind of a work in progress, and it's something that
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you know, it's where you have to lift the weights,
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you know, three times a week to to see results.
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I think you have to just keep keep with your practice,
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but in your notice when it when it does work,
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because you're right. I mean you you go for the
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run and you feel amazing. You probably have an endorphin
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high for thirty seconds, and then you find that someone
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you know parked so you can't get in your car
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or whatever it is, you know what I mean. And
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I feel I feel your pain because that is that's
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what my life is like too, and I think it's
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what we all experience. So that's why we have we
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have to have touch points to go back to to
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lift us back up and get us back into the
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zone you know, of of the divine. And I think
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too it just simple ways of connecting in those times
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are good. Like you know, I don't believe that if
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you're connected with your source, things are going to be
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easy and everything is going to be you know, lovely
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and bells and rainbows. It's just you know, you can
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be connected with your source in the good times and
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the bad and in the dull times and in the
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trying times. And that might be a good way to
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test your connection, not just hey, do I feel amazing?
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Do I feel you know? Do I feel have I
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touched bliss? Do I have the oneness you know? Within me?
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All right? Now, there's that, but there's also like, do
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I feel supported? Do I feel like I can ask
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for help in the trying times? Can I ask? How
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does this make sense? You know? Show me. I think
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that you can feel connected in those kind of ways too,
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Does that make sense?
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Sure? Yeah?
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And I think that the way we are socialized or
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raised in this culture changes a little bit our quest
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for this connection because I think it's almost the way
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you're describing it. You start to treat it like work. Yeah,
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it's your job, and it's you know, I've got to
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do this at this time, I've got to do this
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for this long and it becomes thing.
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that dissatisfaction, but you're not realizing the subtle changes that
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you won't be so upset when you don't see the
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big you know shebang at the end of the week.
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of big changes in me in the past several years.
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But the fate do you have to do something like
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do you have to do a practice or can you
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find your way in a simpler way?
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and you don't have to do a practice, right, I mean, yeah,
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you don't have to.
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this on the show, but I'm finding myself much more
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aligned with not practicing instead just allowing myself to be
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right and the power of just being as much of
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being in the moment as I possibly can be. The
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easier it is for me to connect, it seems like.
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I talked about people doing all these things and still
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having a hard time finding it or being exhausted. Maybe
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the answer is just put it all down and instead
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find yourself.
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Well I was just going to say, you know, it's interesting.
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After I got my license, I think, you know, as
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a psychotherapist, I had a doctor tell me to do
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nothing and he said, don't even meditate, just sit on
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a park bench, and you know, and it was so
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mind boggling because I thought, you know that if I
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was going to sit on a park bench, I should meditate, right,
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because then I'm going to get more bang for my buck. Right.
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essence of life and of yourself and simplifying. And I
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think that to take away the idea that there are steps,
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you know, three tips to enlightenment, it's not you know,
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and saying hey, it's not true, is it. I think
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you're right on target there.
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for someone to be able to do that as it
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would for them to say, start a new meditation practice.
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to kind of do nothing. And the thing too, is
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we're saying do nothing, but it sounds like there's an
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intention to stay connected or stay you know, lit up.
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right now, are you doing something? I don't know. That's
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a toughy, but I think that people like structure and
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they like routine, and so you know, it's helpful to
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just keep it on your radar if you have something
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to signal, don't forget soul in spirit today, like you know,
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eleven eleven on the clock or whatever it might be.
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It's nice to have. You know, you have the meditation
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cushion that may or may not be used as a footstool,
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but in some way it's just a miner. Right Have
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I been still today?
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in Virginia and we live close to Busch Gardens in Williamsburg,
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and I took my daughter to Bush Gardens because she
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was going there with a bunch of friends and someone
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had to supervise chaperone. But once we got into the park,
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they all just scattered, and I was that they're going okay.
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so when I told my friends that I went to
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Busch Gardens and I spent the entire day by myself
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at an amusement park, they were all like, oh my god,
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that must have been terrible. What were you doing. It
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was the most amazing thing I had had done in
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a very long time because I was able to notice
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the people around me, the dichotomy. I mean, it's the
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whole sidewalk cafe thing, but on steroids. I was able
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to see people on roller coasters and eating and lists,
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watching shows and connecting with what life was really about.
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keep it charged to make sure that my daughter could
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reach me, so I couldn't be on it. So it
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was actually incredibly freeing, which is what started me on
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this path of just allowing myself to live in the
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present moment. And I think that helped a lot. Now
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you have in your book You've got this divine disco
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ball framework, and I called it out in a teaser,
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but I have to mention it. We have to talk
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about it because people are going, why would you bring
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up a disco ball into the whole thing, right, So
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tell us about your disco ball framework.
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ball since like two thousand and eight and when disco
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was really out of fashion, and now there are disco
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balls everywhere. But it is the symbol that I chose
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just to capture my spiritual bases. There are four of them,
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because it makes me want to celebrate, and I think
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that's what life is all about, you know what you're
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talking about at Bush Gardens. It sounds like a celebration,
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you know, just observing people and enjoying everybody kind of
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experiencing things that delight them and thrill them. And so yeah,
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so it's a nod to the party of life. And
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you will. It's a form of gratitude right for this life.
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So that's why it's a disco ball.
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Four areas that are different colors, the first being body, mind,
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so that would be like a portal right to your divinity.
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your source, the divine however you conceive of that, and nature,
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which is the Divine embodied. So those so you know,
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you sort of.
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If you you may say I've been overthinking my spirituality lately,
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you could move to a different quadrant and check that out,
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And just go into the woods or whatever it is.
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I don't know if you actually have gardens at Bush Gardens,
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but oh.
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right theme park down in vision like eighteen years in
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a row or something crazy like that. It's it's beautiful.
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Yeah, go to the gardens, you know.
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And I love so much that you call it a
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disco ball. And it just reminded me of this dream
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I guess that I had a while ago where I
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was just drifting off to sleep and I just had
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this like vision and it was just all black and
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then this like shimmering ball appeared and it was made
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out of just like I don't know, like a sphere
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like you could kind of see through it. So I
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had like the lines going this way and the line's
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going this way across it. But it kind of was
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like a disco ball. It was this big, listening, glitterly
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beautiful sphere and in my head whatever you know, I
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was dreaming or thinking or seeing, was saying, well, this
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is this is what consciousness is.
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Wow. Wow, Yeah, she gets all the cool downloads. I
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just get the hey go be alone.
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Well I love that. And it's liken it to the
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moon as well. I think, you know, there's there are
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a lot of ways you can spin that disco ball. Yeah.
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Yeah, So is it like you know those psychological I
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know you're a psychotherapist. Is that one of the psychological
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tests things that they have the quadrants forgot what they're called,
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but you know, right, I M F P J whatever.
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That where you in your disco ball? You are in
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if you're looking for your spiritual practice based on your answers,
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this is where you fit in or is it something
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that you can evolve or move from one to the.
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Next you can wonder from.
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But I didn't know if you were. But I just
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I don't know if you had a propensity to be
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in one in one section most of the time, and
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maybe you benefit from going to another because of it
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or something like that.
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Yeah, well, I mean there's nothing diagnostic in the book,
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you know, because I think people are fluid with their spirituality,
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especially if they're di wires, so you know, you might
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be at one point today and another point tomorrow. There
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there are some suggestions in the last chapter of you know,
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if you're feeling a certain way, maybe you're a little
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weighed down by being too much in one area of
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that of the disco ball, you might then look to
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something else to kind of get you out of that
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rut and lift you up or get a fresh perspective.
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So you could take a look at that. But yeah,
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I don't, I don't know. I feel like, you know,
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the the flavors are going to change where you are
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at any given on any given day, probably if you're
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a spiritual eclectic.
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Okay, so you you mentioned that when I look was
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looking at first of all, when I looked into you.
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Your website is very psychotherapy slanted with spiritual stuff in it,
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which is really cool because it's a very different dichotomy
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than usually it's the other way around. How does the
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psychotherapist get into spirituality? How did you write a book
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about spiritual. It is not your first book about spirituality either,
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So how did that shift happen?
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Yeah? Well, you know, the website thing is so funny
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because I have a diyspirituality dot com. Ah that's really
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dedicated to the book. But I wanted to keep my
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website sort of clean for clients so they weren't overwhelmed
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or confused. Also, you know, we have to be careful
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not to be too salesy, at least that's I don't
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want to come off that way. I don't maybe some
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people don't mind. But anyway, that happened because I went
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to the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology for my master's degree
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in clinical psychology. It was a school in Palo Alto
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no longer exists, and you can probably tell from the name.
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It was extremely spiritually imbued and there was a way
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in which psycho psychology and spirituality devetailed, and that was
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like my sweet spot and I just loved it. We
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were learning ikto I got certified in spiritual guidance. You know,
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we were studying Young and Maslow and you know, these
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fabulous trailblazing thought leaders, and so I just I've always
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felt like spirituality and faith are ways that you can
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find peace, you know, in the privacy of your own space,
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you know, without seeking help and sometimes and so you know,
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it's it's it needs to be pointed out. I think
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it's sort of an underutilized tool in that way.
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So we with all the interviews and conversations we've had,
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we we understand how well that connects together. What has
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been the reaction of your peers.
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Well, they don't give me too much trouble. I mean,
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I think the people that I know are doing really
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interesting things, and a lot of them have they have
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a specialty, you know, or a podcast or what have you.
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I think people are intrigued and very supportive.
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That's good to hear.
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Well. I have a sweet spot for therapists that are
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understand the spiritual because that is the reason why I'm
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here today. Because it wasn't for my therapist, I would
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have lost everything. She was going to turn me on
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to meditation, and I've never looked back. So I owe
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her and you and all the folks like you who
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truly understand the importance of both sides of your brain
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a huge thank you, so thank you for that. Now
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we're talking about spiritual practices and a lot of there's
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a myth out there that you really have to have
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these elaborate practices. Right, You've got to meditate twice a day,
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and you've got to do breath work and whatever, and
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you got to do attend retreats, and you have to
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do all this kind of stuff. But you talk about
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the power of a micro ritual. Can you share some
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of that in sure with us?
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Oh? Sure, Well I alluded to it before when I
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mentioned eleven eleven on the clock. And you know, I
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really encourage people to pick their own thing. I mean,
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it could be every time you see a certain color car.
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It doesn't matter, really, it doesn't. It's just that you
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have a queue that is going to bring you to
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maybe one minute of connection, and that can be spent
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in any way you want. I always run through. Why
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do actually run through the four quadrants during the minute
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and do a little gratitude prayer, you might say, But
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you can do what you could even just be still
484
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and just go within and get in touch with you,
485
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you know, your inner world and your sensations, and check
486
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in with your nervous system and say hello to your
487
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soul if you want. I think these these because we're
488
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.319
so busy, and we have so many things that we're
489
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trying to do, and then there are the things that
490
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we have to do, you know, and the unforeseen challenges
491
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that arise every single day. It's nice to have just
492
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these quick and easy gets that will remind you you're
493
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not alone.
494
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Do you have to set like alarmould? Should you set
495
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an alarm every once in a while to get those
496
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reminders or can you? Should you just rely on what's around?
497
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Well, this is where it's so personal, okay, because right,
498
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I mean you what what's going to work for you
499
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is what you should do. And some people like that alarm,
500
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you know, tactic to remember things. It's not a bad one,
501
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especially if you make it a nice tone or a
502
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pretty little chime music.
503
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Yeah, yeah, right, So blaring rock and roll not.
504
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.799
A good idea like that.
505
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I remember we have the disco ball, so I just
506
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wanted to just dance it out.
507
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For what you just do? The hustle, Well, I just
508
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dated myself.
509
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Well yes, I'm right there with you. But I think
510
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that is a great way to express gratitude. Like if
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you had to the hustle, like come on on your51200:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.039
phone once a day and then you actually kind of51300:29:29.079 --> 00:29:30.039
did the hustle.51400:29:30.839 --> 00:29:31.880
Actually actually did it?51500:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.920
That would make you smile really big.51600:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.400
Till you would Yeah, until someone walks in your office51700:29:37.440 --> 00:29:37.839
and goes, what.51800:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.480
No, because then they're smiling and your both just laughing.51900:29:40.480 --> 00:29:41.920
Oh maybe you get then you do the hustle with52000:29:41.960 --> 00:29:43.279
you and then.52100:29:43.160 --> 00:29:44.079
You get the whole line going.52200:29:46.000 --> 00:29:49.200
So that actually leads me to my question, because that's52300:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.640
a little bit of a connection. So people, when you52400:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.519
think you're talking about if you're just connecting for a minute,52500:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.119
I think a lot of people are expecting the connection52600:29:57.200 --> 00:29:58.960
to be like this, whoa, you know, like you're just52700:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.839
you're out there your brain, you're feeling all the glory52800:30:01.880 --> 00:30:05.240
of it. But it's not. I don't think like that52900:30:05.359 --> 00:30:07.759
all the time. Can you tell us, or tell our53000:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.400
audience some examples of some small things that could be53100:30:11.440 --> 00:30:13.799
a connection that they might not realize so that they53200:30:13.839 --> 00:30:16.000
don't get disappointed.53300:30:16.319 --> 00:30:20.240
Yeah, well, so they don't get disappointed. Well again, we're53400:30:20.240 --> 00:30:21.440
back to expectations.53500:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.880
I think, you know, well.53600:30:24.720 --> 00:30:28.279
Maybe so they'll realize it. Maybe that's a better way53700:30:28.279 --> 00:30:29.599
to put it. You know.53800:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.119
It's like, I know, we've talked about coincidences and if53900:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.279
you reframe them as little miracles. It's like a different experience.54000:30:36.519 --> 00:30:41.160
Yes, yeah, well you could do something as simple as54100:30:41.240 --> 00:30:46.599
look at a flower and then really look at it54200:30:46.640 --> 00:30:51.119
again and notice the intricacies of you know, the center54300:30:51.160 --> 00:30:53.839
of the flower and the formation of the pedals and54400:30:53.880 --> 00:30:58.839
all the nuanced colors there, and maybe look at it54500:30:59.559 --> 00:31:05.759
and you feel something, something that might be like awe54600:31:07.559 --> 00:31:13.599
or or curiosity or wonder just lending yourself yes, and54700:31:13.640 --> 00:31:18.960
then you know, then comes probably if you want gratitude,54800:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.279
you know, it's like and then then there's like this connection,54900:31:24.640 --> 00:31:28.400
you know, like like thank you Universe. I can't believe,55000:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.079
you know, I love rain. I mean, if it's raining,55100:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.680
I am celebrating, really find it. I'm trying to find it.55200:31:34.839 --> 00:31:39.400
I'm the complete opposite. I can't I wither when it's raining.55300:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.720
I'm such a child of the sun.55400:31:41.720 --> 00:31:42.119
Yeah.55500:31:42.240 --> 00:31:44.599
I think I like the permission to just be inside55600:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.000
and be cozy and like read a book or just something.55700:31:47.319 --> 00:31:52.400
I don't know, but you know that I have sort55800:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.319
of a spiritual relationship with rain. And I notice when55900:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.480
it happens and I feel like I'm involved, not that56000:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.000
I'm causing it, but it's like a sign or a message,56100:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.279
and it's you know, a purification or whatever it is.56200:32:07.359 --> 00:32:11.839
But there we can make meaning of things. And a56300:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.559
lot of times you're just going through the grind, right,56400:32:14.759 --> 00:32:20.000
and we forget that there's magical around.56500:32:19.960 --> 00:32:21.279
Yeah, and a question.56600:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.160
Yeah, I think that that sense of wonder in awe56700:32:24.640 --> 00:32:31.160
and gratitude is something that is tangible enough that you56800:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.720
can feel, you can feel a connection.56900:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.000
So I guess the first step really is finding what57000:32:39.039 --> 00:32:43.000
it is that jazz. Is you enough? Right, That's the57100:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.000
first step that you have to find. But it's not57200:32:45.039 --> 00:32:48.079
an easy first step because now we're back to trying57300:32:48.160 --> 00:32:51.279
all these different modalities because you're trying to find that57400:32:51.359 --> 00:32:56.960
one that fits you. Right. Do you have a like,57500:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.160
is there a roadmap that you know this go try57600:32:59.200 --> 00:33:00.799
this one, it doesn't go to this one, and this57700:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.759
one doesn't work, go to this one, or you just.57800:33:02.759 --> 00:33:03.079
Kind of.57900:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.440
Hey, the it's will If you're one of those folks58000:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.440
that's waking up to something bigger than what the mainstream58100:33:09.480 --> 00:33:13.440
media keeps trying to shove down our throats, you might58200:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.279
feel like you're the only one who sees it. I'm58300:33:16.319 --> 00:33:19.599
here to tell you you're not. You're not alone. See58400:33:19.640 --> 00:33:25.000
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content that's meant to enlicit, this fear response that seems59100:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.960
to be so pervasive in our world these days. This59200:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.920
is a network that you tell your friends about at59300:33:57.920 --> 00:34:02.000
two o'clock in the morning, do yourself a favor. Search59400:34:02.079 --> 00:34:05.119
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reality tv dot com and you will thank me later.59700:34:11.639 --> 00:34:15.599
This is a network that gives us the kind of59800:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.719
programming that we need that's going to raise our consciousness,59900:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.719
not try to divide us or try to keep us60000:34:22.400 --> 00:34:28.119
down wallowing in fear. Your reality. If you accept it,60100:34:28.840 --> 00:34:30.679
just got a whole lot bigger.60200:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.000
You know, there are there are a bunch of examples, yes,60300:34:36.719 --> 00:34:39.719
in the book, and they're illustrated, and they're written very simply.60400:34:40.400 --> 00:34:43.840
And I also think that things that you're already doing60500:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.320
and that are intuitive that you already know about are60600:34:47.039 --> 00:34:52.639
great to try, and you can try flavors of things60700:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.679
like I just started doing yin yoga. I used to60800:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.239
think it was so boring, but I now kind of60900:34:58.280 --> 00:35:02.119
appreciate it, right, But for you, like I would just61000:35:02.360 --> 00:35:05.679
notice what lights you up and then do more of it.61100:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.559
So like maybe you do want to go to amusement61200:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.960
parks by yourself and turn off your phone, I mean61300:35:12.039 --> 00:35:16.159
all getting aside like if that, if that somehow lights61400:35:16.199 --> 00:35:20.039
you up, there's something in it for you, and maybe61500:35:20.039 --> 00:35:24.679
it's you know, you're I like to think humanity is61600:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.679
our community, is our community, so you know, because a61700:35:28.760 --> 00:35:33.960
di wire doesn't really have a group practice per se61800:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.320
unless that's part of their DIY. But if you're going61900:35:37.400 --> 00:35:43.639
to bush gardens and you're feeling like you're enjoying the62000:35:43.800 --> 00:35:48.360
love that people are experiencing there through their joy, you know,62100:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.039
that's very rich and it could be a pointer. Like62200:35:51.199 --> 00:35:57.840
maybe maybe you like to experience crowds by yourself. I62300:35:57.880 --> 00:36:02.440
don't know, but it's certainly could be. I mean, if62400:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.840
it feels good and if it meant something to you,62500:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.119
then that that would be an idea of what you62600:36:09.199 --> 00:36:10.360
might include in your di.62700:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.400
Y right, So really you need to be very aware.62800:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.519
So in something jazz is you know, you go, oh62900:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.400
this might be something, and didn't follow that path as63000:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.239
opposed to a path that was that you assume is63100:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.159
the one that you're supposed to do. Like I'm supposed63200:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.000
to do breath work. I'm supposed to be a past63300:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.199
life progression I'm supposed to.63400:36:29.199 --> 00:36:30.840
Do, and it probably needs a path where you need63500:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.320
to be present, not like oh I love playing video63600:36:33.320 --> 00:36:34.960
games that makes me happy.63700:36:35.079 --> 00:36:38.400
I mean, you're just being distracted.63800:36:38.519 --> 00:36:40.559
Well that's true, that's true. That's a good point. Right.63900:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.679
So what when where is the line between being jazz64000:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.800
and being spiritual and being distracted?64100:36:47.079 --> 00:36:52.800
Yeah? Yeah, I mean you can to spirituality probably on64200:36:52.840 --> 00:36:56.559
YouTube and it's a weird combo. That's actually we're doing64300:36:56.599 --> 00:37:04.440
this right now, people from their spirituality with technology and entertainment.64400:37:04.719 --> 00:37:06.639
Well, we like to think that we are helping them64500:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.480
defind their spirituality.64600:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.280
Yes, okay, yeah, okay, so answering, we have to answer64700:37:13.280 --> 00:37:14.639
the questions, so can I have it again?64800:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.599
Yeah? So how do you find the line between the64900:37:18.639 --> 00:37:20.840
actual spirituality and just a distraction?65000:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.719
Yeah? Yeah, you know, we know what's good for us,65100:37:25.840 --> 00:37:28.800
and I think even young adults. This book is dedicated65200:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.159
to young adults who are launching, you know, and because65300:37:32.400 --> 00:37:37.239
this is a portable support toolbox for them. But we65400:37:37.320 --> 00:37:42.280
can all benefit from from having a spiritual soup. And65500:37:42.480 --> 00:37:47.679
so I think that your intuition will tell you if65600:37:47.760 --> 00:37:50.480
you're diving too much into stuff that's not good for you,65700:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.760
whether it is like being on your phone too much,65800:37:52.960 --> 00:37:56.639
or the video games or junk food or you know,65900:37:56.480 --> 00:38:00.400
you you know, and it's up to you to to66000:38:00.519 --> 00:38:05.880
take care of yourself and make those discerning choices. So66100:38:06.320 --> 00:38:12.400
if you're feeling low, then you can try to get66200:38:12.639 --> 00:38:14.920
back in touch with nature, back in touch with your66300:38:14.920 --> 00:38:18.599
soul and spirit. Right, you can do something devotional and66400:38:18.679 --> 00:38:20.760
I think it will move your energy.66500:38:23.719 --> 00:38:27.360
Yeah, okay, so.66600:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.480
Now you seem like a skeptic for sure, this big pause,66700:38:34.039 --> 00:38:34.719
what's coming?66800:38:35.159 --> 00:38:40.039
No, it's trying to put the pieces together because well,66900:38:40.079 --> 00:38:40.960
I mean, you have to be.67000:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.000
A little bit of a grown up about it, you know,67100:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.679
young adults, you know, you got to know when someone's saying, okay,67200:38:45.719 --> 00:38:47.480
you need to take those No, don't try so hard67300:38:47.480 --> 00:38:49.039
and just kind of relax into it. That doesn't mean67400:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.199
just go sit on the couch eat chips to watch TV, like, no, there's.67500:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.719
But for example, the bush Gardens, right, I could say, sorry, Karen,67600:38:55.719 --> 00:38:57.519
I've got to go to bush Gardens every every weekend67700:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.000
because I need to be I need to follow my spirituality.67800:39:00.119 --> 00:39:01.800
Yes, And when you went to Busch Gardens and you67900:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.079
you came back saying that you'd had this day where68000:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.000
you were outside and you're feeling the breeze on your68100:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.559
skin and watching the people and literally listening to the sounds,68200:39:09.079 --> 00:39:10.679
that if that's what you need to do every weekend,68300:39:10.679 --> 00:39:11.800
that's what you need to do every weekend.68400:39:11.840 --> 00:39:13.800
But then you couldn't it just be that just just68500:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.320
want to go be distracted by all that stuff I68600:39:17.400 --> 00:39:18.480
want to go, right, I mean I can.68700:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.639
Oh, I mean that's different. It guess it depends on68800:39:21.639 --> 00:39:26.320
why you're going. Yeah, does it depends on why you're going?68900:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.400
Well, you know what, I think one of the things69000:39:29.400 --> 00:39:35.719
you're getting to is just presence. And you were present, yeah,69100:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.480
you know, and so you showed up for that fully69200:39:38.920 --> 00:39:43.039
and you were there in the moment. So it is69300:39:43.119 --> 00:39:47.519
important to be present. And if it's at Busch Gardens,69400:39:47.519 --> 00:39:51.360
that's okay, and you should go every other weekend or whatever. Yes,69500:39:52.280 --> 00:39:57.039
I mean, you know, we deny ourselves of these simple pleasures.69600:39:57.159 --> 00:39:58.239
It's strange.69700:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.800
Well, it's it's easy for ca and to say that's69800:40:00.800 --> 00:40:02.519
what you should be doing. But after a couple weeks,69900:40:02.559 --> 00:40:04.920
she's gonna be like, hello, I need you to do70000:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.159
some work around the house, buddy.70100:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.320
You know you can do that before you do, I70200:40:09.719 --> 00:40:10.920
didn't hear her say that.70300:40:12.199 --> 00:40:18.159
No, trust me, seriously, No, it's not like that. But70400:40:18.239 --> 00:40:20.599
after you're gonna be bummed that I'm not around because70500:40:20.639 --> 00:40:22.360
you're always a push card. And how about spending some70600:40:22.400 --> 00:40:23.679
time with us kind of thing? Right?70700:40:24.119 --> 00:40:24.880
Oh, i'd miss you.70800:40:25.800 --> 00:40:26.480
I miss you too.70900:40:26.480 --> 00:40:27.639
Why can't she go with you?71000:40:28.159 --> 00:40:29.239
Because that wouldn't be alone.71100:40:29.920 --> 00:40:35.000
Yeah, but maybe you can. Maybe you can be alone71200:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.679
at the farmer's market and turn off your phone while71300:40:38.679 --> 00:40:40.199
you're shopping for groceries for her.71400:40:41.119 --> 00:40:42.800
Oh, I see what you did there.71500:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.480
I like that. I love her. She's very very wise.71600:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.639
Yes, But just the turning off the fact that your71700:40:48.639 --> 00:40:52.280
phone was dying, I think saved you. I think that's71800:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.039
probably was the gift of that experience. And there is,71900:40:55.239 --> 00:40:57.199
you know, a page in the book about phone fast72000:40:58.000 --> 00:41:02.559
and it's actually I just emailed you before we went72100:41:02.599 --> 00:41:04.840
on air that I don't have my phone and if72200:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.199
I forget my phone, I just don't get it because72300:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.519
I you know, I like vacations from my phone. Right,72400:41:11.320 --> 00:41:13.880
don't you just get into texting like as soon as72500:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.079
you get up and it's like you're off and running72600:41:16.079 --> 00:41:16.880
and that's your day.72700:41:17.079 --> 00:41:19.199
No, one hundred percent. I think I think the phone72800:41:19.239 --> 00:41:23.039
is probably the single biggest obstacle to my peace of72900:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.679
mind ever. And I'm constantly on it. I can't put73000:41:25.719 --> 00:41:27.159
it down. In fact that times when I do put73100:41:27.199 --> 00:41:28.360
it down actually feels really good.73200:41:28.400 --> 00:41:29.599
And then you get mad at me and I don't73300:41:29.599 --> 00:41:31.639
know what my phone is because I've left it because73400:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.119
I'm like I got to deal with it down well.73500:41:34.000 --> 00:41:34.679
Right, true? Right too?73600:41:34.800 --> 00:41:35.239
Yeah?73700:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.840
But then this this borders something like the word authenticity, right,73800:41:38.880 --> 00:41:43.159
Authentic is thrown around this wellness space all the time, right,73900:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.880
but what does it actually mean to have an authentic74000:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.800
spiritual experience? Because that's what we're trying to find the74100:41:50.840 --> 00:41:51.880
answers to you, right.74200:41:52.599 --> 00:41:56.760
Yeah, Yeah, I'm so curious about how fed up you74300:41:56.840 --> 00:42:00.239
are with all of these words and these practices. Is74400:42:00.280 --> 00:42:06.960
in the whole culture that's so fascinating. So Okay, I74500:42:07.000 --> 00:42:11.320
think if it is what rings true. So if I74600:42:11.360 --> 00:42:16.559
were to say to a client, you know, I guess74700:42:16.880 --> 00:42:18.599
let's not use that example. If I were to say74800:42:18.599 --> 00:42:22.239
to you, why don't you meditate twice a day instead74900:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.079
of once a day? Okay, So let's just you know,75000:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.000
you might do that, and you might really not like that.75100:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.400
You might it might not work for you, and in fact,75200:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.559
it might make you not even like to meditate at all.75300:42:34.599 --> 00:42:36.800
And so obviously that's not the right thing for you75400:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.360
to do. And now if you feel like, hmm, I75500:42:41.400 --> 00:42:45.119
don't know if meditation is really doing it for me anymore,75600:42:46.320 --> 00:42:52.880
you could shift to presence, which I think is doing75700:42:52.920 --> 00:42:57.119
it for you, and say, look, every day, I'm going75800:42:57.159 --> 00:42:59.199
to turn off my phone for half an hour and75900:42:59.239 --> 00:43:01.719
I'm just gonna leave it in the drawer and I'm76000:43:01.760 --> 00:43:06.400
going to go outside and be quiet and try that.76100:43:07.119 --> 00:43:13.119
And if that feels to you more connected, more nourishing,76200:43:14.119 --> 00:43:19.559
more appreciated, then do that instead. So I think it's76300:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.000
it's a personal practice that you have to you where76400:43:23.000 --> 00:43:28.760
you're curating based on what hits the tuning fork for you.76500:43:30.400 --> 00:43:37.920
Okay, So then we step into the realm of spiritual76600:43:37.960 --> 00:43:41.880
practices that say you have to do this or you76700:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.679
have to do that in order to reach whatever goal76800:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.679
that that spiritual practice is meant to reach. So if76900:43:50.679 --> 00:43:57.400
you become part of a group, let's say that says specifically,77000:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.920
thinking about that meditation between I went to few your77100:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.320
yars ago where you meditate at eight o'clock in the77200:44:02.320 --> 00:44:04.320
morning every day, you meditated at five o'clock in the77300:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.039
afternoon every day. In between, you fast and you silent.77400:44:07.079 --> 00:44:13.960
For that, there's many hours do What would you say77500:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.840
to those people that say that the only way to77600:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.079
reach enlightenment or spiritual growth is to have that type77700:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.079
of that ambition. What am I looking for?77800:44:24.119 --> 00:44:24.639
Discipline?77900:44:24.639 --> 00:44:29.039
Discipline, because you're saying the complete opposite. You're saying, do78000:44:29.159 --> 00:44:33.039
what spirit moves you. But there are practices that say78100:44:33.079 --> 00:44:34.679
this is the only way for What would you say78200:44:34.719 --> 00:44:35.199
to those.78300:44:35.039 --> 00:44:39.199
Folks, Well, I want to ask you, after you did that,78400:44:39.679 --> 00:44:42.639
did you feel different? Did you feel like you got78500:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.719
let's call it results from that experience.78600:44:47.599 --> 00:44:50.360
I mean, during it, I felt pretty good, but afterwards,78700:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.840
it was probably very shortly after I got back that78800:44:53.920 --> 00:44:55.840
it just I was back to normal.78900:44:55.920 --> 00:45:01.400
I would say, yeah, And I don't regard word your79000:45:01.519 --> 00:45:06.039
spirituality as any less valid than the person who's leading that.79100:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.519
Okay, so.79200:45:11.239 --> 00:45:14.280
I resonate with what you're saying, because I've been to79300:45:14.360 --> 00:45:18.400
a lot of these things and there are prescribed methods,79400:45:18.840 --> 00:45:25.400
and if that's your jam, that's awesome. But it's if79500:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.199
you're putting on somebody else's suit and it doesn't fit,79600:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.800
it's just it's not for you. And I don't believe79700:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.159
in the promises. I don't believe in you know, go79800:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.760
to Kundalini yoga and you'll have whatever. Kundalinian rising. I mean,79900:45:37.800 --> 00:45:45.159
I think it's it's very experience based, right, And but80000:45:45.840 --> 00:45:48.880
the interesting thing too is that it it's kind of80100:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.480
like we're we're opening ourselves up for something to happen80200:45:51.519 --> 00:45:55.679
to us, and there are ways to do that, and80300:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.519
yet really what we want is just for something to happen,80400:45:59.360 --> 00:46:01.159
do you know what I mean? And it's like, well,80500:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.559
I did all these things, why did nothing happen?80600:46:03.960 --> 00:46:04.079
Right?80700:46:04.519 --> 00:46:09.480
And so it's okay to try stuff if you enjoy80800:46:09.519 --> 00:46:13.199
it and then see, you know, but maybe just go80900:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.440
curiously without expectations.81000:46:17.039 --> 00:46:21.119
But then how do you feel about that thought process81100:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.199
when you do something over and over and over and81200:46:23.239 --> 00:46:24.559
over and over and over and over again. You do81300:46:24.599 --> 00:46:26.280
the same way every time every time, don't you fall81400:46:26.320 --> 00:46:29.519
into a rut? Does that make you automatically kind of81500:46:29.719 --> 00:46:34.840
lose that spiritual sense or am I it's just wrong?81600:46:37.000 --> 00:46:43.920
Yeah? I mean, listen, what you're saying is valid. You81700:46:43.960 --> 00:46:48.519
could look at it like, you know, practicing is important,81800:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.440
and so if you keep with it when you're bored81900:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.280
and you get to the other side and you're still practicing,82000:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.599
then that's you're on a path, you know what I mean.82100:46:58.639 --> 00:47:03.159
And that's cool. But if you if you feel like82200:47:03.239 --> 00:47:07.000
it's not the thing you are your if your heart's82300:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.119
not in it, I don't know. I mean, maybe do82400:47:10.199 --> 00:47:14.440
something else. But I do think that you know, we're82500:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.639
such different people, right I teach the anteagram. There are82600:47:17.719 --> 00:47:20.400
nine different types of people that we talk about, and82700:47:20.440 --> 00:47:23.079
we have such different personalities. And I'm the type that82800:47:23.119 --> 00:47:28.159
really loves freedom, and you know, people who get bored82900:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.480
or who like variety, you know, they may not do83000:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.639
well with with that type of a of a practice.83100:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.239
And and so that's where you dip in two different things.83200:47:40.639 --> 00:47:44.159
Okay, Okay, so then everyone's different.83300:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.599
And yeah, I mean there are some people that that does.83400:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.840
Work for well. I just I just always thought that83500:47:50.719 --> 00:47:52.639
we talk all the time about growth happening at the83600:47:52.719 --> 00:47:54.280
edge of your comfort zone. So if you just only83700:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.360
stay in your comfort zone, you're not growing. So you83800:47:56.400 --> 00:47:57.519
have to can stretch.83900:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.000
Outside of that growth only to the edge of your comfortation.84000:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.360
I kind of do, honestly, but that's just me.84100:48:03.119 --> 00:48:06.639
But those are two different ways. Well, yeah, I'm sorry,84200:48:06.679 --> 00:48:07.199
I didn't.84300:48:07.000 --> 00:48:11.239
Mean to No. Please, you are a guest. Yes, you84400:48:11.280 --> 00:48:12.880
should be the one talking way more than us.84500:48:13.559 --> 00:48:15.760
No, no, no, I just I think that both are84600:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.559
getting you out of your comfort zone. Whether you're sticking84700:48:18.599 --> 00:48:22.119
with a with a practice that you just continue to84800:48:22.280 --> 00:48:26.679
do regardless, I think you're out of your comfort zone84900:48:26.679 --> 00:48:30.920
there too, because you're you're sticking with it. It's like85000:48:30.920 --> 00:48:32.639
when you go to the gym, but you don't feel85100:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.679
like it, you know what I mean. Right, So you're85200:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.519
getting out of your comfort zone because you're not doing85300:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.320
what you really want to do, which is not doing it.85400:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.880
Or you're getting out of your comfort zone by trying something.85500:48:42.599 --> 00:48:46.599
New, right, or you're getting out of you are getting85600:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.360
out of your comfort zone by leaving it because it's85700:48:49.400 --> 00:48:51.639
not doing anything. It's not giving your results that you're85800:48:51.639 --> 00:48:53.599
looking for. So you leave to find something else that85900:48:53.679 --> 00:48:55.920
might give you more. I mean, I'm like being a86000:48:55.920 --> 00:48:56.400
dead horse.86100:48:56.440 --> 00:49:02.440
I'm well, I'm curious, like, have you guys stumbled upon86200:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.320
in all of these interviews that you've done, like anything86300:49:05.360 --> 00:49:09.079
that felt like you discovered the thing that is going86400:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.679
to be your jam, your spiritual you know, playlist that86500:49:12.760 --> 00:49:14.400
you want to play over and over.86600:49:16.440 --> 00:49:17.679
At me. I'm curious for your answer.86700:49:18.199 --> 00:49:22.880
I would say I've had pretty good success success with86800:49:23.400 --> 00:49:28.119
breathwork and as far as making that connection, feeling really connected.86900:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.000
I don't do it all the time. I don't really87000:49:30.000 --> 00:49:33.119
hardly ever do it, but you know that's my And87100:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.760
then I complained that's the problem. But I think that's87200:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.039
something that for me personally worked pretty well.87300:49:40.519 --> 00:49:44.159
I have not. I have not and people we go87400:49:44.199 --> 00:49:45.840
into the people's shows all the time, they ask us,87500:49:45.880 --> 00:49:50.119
what's the one thing that really I can tell you87600:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.159
a bunch of different things that were really nifty, were87700:49:53.199 --> 00:49:56.599
really cool, right, but the one thing I don't know87800:49:56.639 --> 00:50:00.360
that I've found the one thing? Yeah my boat.87900:50:00.760 --> 00:50:01.400
Yeah.88000:50:01.440 --> 00:50:06.760
Well, I mean you're the skeptic metaphysicians, so maybe you'd88100:50:06.800 --> 00:50:08.280
be out of business if you found it.88200:50:08.960 --> 00:50:12.519
Oh so you think the psychotherapist speaking now, right, So88300:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.320
you think maybe I'm blocking my finding my thing because88400:50:15.320 --> 00:50:16.400
I don't want it to change.88500:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.320
You might be committed to searching. Oh lord, that's a88600:50:21.360 --> 00:50:22.760
practice too, is it.88700:50:22.840 --> 00:50:26.559
No, I don't like that practice. I want to find it.88800:50:26.719 --> 00:50:27.880
I'm a fighter and you're.88900:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.719
On the edge of your comfort zone and you're learning.89000:50:32.519 --> 00:50:35.280
But well, I mean, have you ever had an experience89100:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.840
where you felt connected to something greater than yourself or89200:50:38.880 --> 00:50:40.599
to your own soul and spirit?89300:50:40.760 --> 00:50:42.519
Oh? One hundred percent. In fact, I was in the89400:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.000
airport in Atlanta one time, and out of the blue,89500:50:45.519 --> 00:50:47.599
it was the weirdest thing, out of the blue. I'm89600:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.960
walking towards my next flight on the next gate, and89700:50:51.039 --> 00:50:53.159
I had to stop because I was breathless. All of89800:50:53.199 --> 00:50:56.320
a sudden, I felt myself. I understood like I was89900:50:56.360 --> 00:50:59.639
connected to every single person in that airport, and I90000:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.199
couldn't explain it, and I couldn't shake it. All I90100:51:02.280 --> 00:51:04.480
knew was that that person was another version of will.90200:51:04.639 --> 00:51:06.800
That person was another version of will, and that person90300:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.719
we were all just going about our lives in different90400:51:09.719 --> 00:51:13.519
ways and experiencing different things, and it was perfect and90500:51:13.559 --> 00:51:14.239
then it was gone.90600:51:15.440 --> 00:51:16.119
That's amazing.90700:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.599
I have been trying to find it again since then,90800:51:18.679 --> 00:51:20.440
and I've not been able to find it. But it90900:51:20.519 --> 00:51:24.519
was I did. I did experience that are mushrooms? I was.91000:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.119
I was not. No, I wasn't on anything. I was.91100:51:28.159 --> 00:51:32.000
I was on traveling for business. Yeah, I was.91200:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.440
Have your meditation practice going during that time frame?91300:51:36.559 --> 00:51:37.800
Yes, I did. Yes.91400:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.480
Do you attribute it to anything that you brought on?91500:51:43.880 --> 00:51:49.199
Good Lord? You know what, I just put the pieces together.91600:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.320
You know what the common denominator between that is For me?91700:51:53.280 --> 00:52:01.639
I was alone in the sea of people. It's my thing.91800:52:01.880 --> 00:52:03.800
I got Apparently it's my thing.91900:52:04.039 --> 00:52:06.400
Yes, So I don't have to go to all the festivals.92000:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.920
I mean just every once in a while, right, Wow.92100:52:10.000 --> 00:52:11.760
So yeah, no, that that's true. I had. I had92200:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.400
not make that connection. I had never made that connection before.92300:52:14.440 --> 00:52:17.719
But yeah, that was the one unifying thing that was Wow.92400:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.400
I was just traveling on my own. I was listening92500:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.719
to a spiritual podcast in my ears. I was walking92600:52:23.719 --> 00:52:25.800
from one gate to the next, and all of a92700:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.239
sudden it just macked me in the face maybe stop92800:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.000
and I had to catch my breath. It was incredible.92900:52:31.880 --> 00:52:32.599
That's amazing.93000:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.599
Yeah, And I don't think you have to have those93100:52:35.639 --> 00:52:39.559
experiences all the time, you know, just having had an93200:52:39.559 --> 00:52:43.360
experience like that, you know you want to I do.93300:52:43.440 --> 00:52:43.880
I want to.93400:52:44.239 --> 00:52:47.199
Well, I'm really curious what they were saying on that podcast.93500:52:48.599 --> 00:52:49.920
I don't even remember which one it was.93600:52:50.679 --> 00:52:51.440
Yeah, I don't know.93700:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.440
I listened to so many that it could have been anything,93800:52:54.519 --> 00:52:55.599
honest line, But I do.93900:52:55.480 --> 00:52:59.960
Think that you could probably find that now that you know.94000:53:00.239 --> 00:53:03.480
Well, now you mentioned mushrooms, are you Are you promoting94100:53:03.519 --> 00:53:06.199
the fact that we maybe people should try mushrooms to94200:53:06.239 --> 00:53:07.400
get connected to like that.94300:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.239
No, I'm not. That's not my thing. But you know94400:53:10.280 --> 00:53:12.239
how I said, a lot of my colleagues are into94500:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.000
certain things and they have specialties, like I could hook94600:53:15.079 --> 00:53:19.199
you up, but I got the hook up.94700:53:19.320 --> 00:53:22.159
I know, guy, people.94800:53:21.920 --> 00:53:26.800
I respect a lot really believe you know, in psilocybin.94900:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.320
I'm just not. It's just not it's not.95000:53:29.360 --> 00:53:33.199
My thing, right, I have actually been curious about psilocybin.95100:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.039
I just I know it's not legal, so I haven't95200:53:35.079 --> 00:53:36.960
done it because I don't want to break the law.95300:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.880
Said it in posterity on the recording, so that there95400:53:39.920 --> 00:53:41.880
you go. No matter what I did not, I would95500:53:41.960 --> 00:53:42.400
not know.95600:53:42.880 --> 00:53:44.719
And I don't think you need to do it, because95700:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.760
the thing is like when you have an experience like95800:53:47.800 --> 00:53:54.920
you did at the airport, that's really what you would95900:53:54.920 --> 00:53:55.519
be going for.96000:53:55.639 --> 00:53:59.199
I think anyway, right, I just I guess I could96100:53:59.239 --> 00:54:03.280
only imagine I would be able to access it more routinely.96200:54:03.599 --> 00:54:08.039
I guess if I was microdosing, for example, or going96300:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.239
on a one hero's journey or I don't know, I96400:54:10.280 --> 00:54:13.599
have no idea. I've done them, so we'll see. But96500:54:13.960 --> 00:54:15.119
with the time that we have, I want to make96600:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.159
sure that we do a little bit deeper dive on96700:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.119
your book because I kind of saw on your on96800:54:19.159 --> 00:54:21.159
your site you've got a little sample, like a fifteen96900:54:21.159 --> 00:54:23.199
page sample of it, and it's really fun. It's a97000:54:23.199 --> 00:54:26.360
fun looking book. It's not a typical like thick book97100:54:26.400 --> 00:54:29.719
that you read, know for for yeah, it's it's just97200:54:29.760 --> 00:54:33.480
has a lot of illustrations, a lot of illustrations a97300:54:33.480 --> 00:54:35.679
lot and the illustrations are really fun. It's just it's97400:54:35.719 --> 00:54:40.199
just a fun book. So what in your estimation, what97500:54:40.440 --> 00:54:44.960
gap does your does your book fill? And how is97600:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.000
it different from a lot of the other spiritual guides97700:54:47.079 --> 00:54:47.840
that are out there.97800:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.719
You know, it's a serious topic, but it's it's held97900:54:54.199 --> 00:54:57.760
lightly with this book. It's really meant to be a98000:54:57.760 --> 00:54:59.599
coffee table book that you can put like on your98100:54:59.679 --> 00:55:03.880
night's and just crack open and have a little light98200:55:04.039 --> 00:55:06.880
thrown your way. And that's funny that I said that,98300:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.000
because this says shine, love and light and this is98400:55:10.000 --> 00:55:14.320
a heart map. But anyway, so it's dedicated to young98500:55:14.360 --> 00:55:19.559
adults because we do a lot of talking about the98600:55:19.639 --> 00:55:21.679
empty nest and how to handle that, but we don't98700:55:21.679 --> 00:55:26.159
do that much for the launching young adults. And I98800:55:26.239 --> 00:55:28.400
feel like, you know, what are they supposed to do98900:55:28.880 --> 00:55:31.159
when they find themselves in a different town and they99000:55:31.159 --> 00:55:33.679
are no longer under the roof and they feel like99100:55:33.719 --> 00:55:37.880
they don't have any grounding. And so this is meant for,99200:55:38.639 --> 00:55:44.400
you know, people who are seekers, but also for young99300:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.360
adults and people of all ages to have a sort99400:55:47.360 --> 00:55:52.719
of portable foundation that they can draw on any time,99500:55:53.320 --> 00:55:53.920
very easily.99600:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.320
Well, I love that I read the fifteen pages I99700:55:58.360 --> 00:55:59.079
had available to.99800:55:59.000 --> 00:56:00.760
Me, and I think that's just such a great idea,99900:56:00.800 --> 00:56:03.559
because it's true. You think about that empty nesters, you100000:56:03.559 --> 00:56:05.400
think about children and teens, but you don't think about100100:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.639
the people that are all of a sudden having the100200:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.880
biggest life change imaginable. They're on their own, they're trying100300:56:10.920 --> 00:56:12.719
to figure it all out. Oh my gosh.100400:56:13.079 --> 00:56:14.360
There should be tons of books like that.100500:56:14.400 --> 00:56:14.719
Thank you.100600:56:15.000 --> 00:56:20.079
Yeah. So what's the feeling that you want readers to100700:56:20.280 --> 00:56:23.360
feel the most when they close the book after having100800:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.639
experienced it. What is it feeling you hope that they get.100900:56:27.760 --> 00:56:33.000
I hope that they feel excited to lean into their101000:56:33.159 --> 00:56:38.159
diy spirituality. I feel like it is permission sort of101100:56:38.519 --> 00:56:42.840
to do it your own way, and so I hope101200:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.159
it's an encouragement. You know, it's sort of like a101300:56:45.199 --> 00:56:45.800
green light.101400:56:46.719 --> 00:56:52.039
Okay, So all this conversation about finding your spiritual playlist101500:56:52.079 --> 00:56:54.320
and all that kind of stuff, do you help people101600:56:54.400 --> 00:56:57.960
to find that on their own? Well?101700:56:58.400 --> 00:57:02.760
I can sometimes, I'm you know, it's it's I feel101800:57:02.840 --> 00:57:08.119
like it's such a personal thing, and it's funny how101900:57:08.199 --> 00:57:14.119
I don't. I don't go around talking about spirituality regularly102000:57:14.159 --> 00:57:18.159
to all the people in my life clients. I'm really careful,102100:57:18.239 --> 00:57:21.400
you know, if they're if they come for psychotherapy, then102200:57:21.960 --> 00:57:24.199
I let them lead, and if they don't want to102300:57:24.199 --> 00:57:26.960
talk about spirituality, it will not come up. Sure, but102400:57:27.000 --> 00:57:31.840
I do spiritual guidance, so it if somebody wants to102500:57:32.199 --> 00:57:34.760
explore that in specific. I can do that. I can102600:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.000
help them with that, and I enjoy doing.102700:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.480
It, Okay, because I know as a as a psychotherapist,102800:57:39.480 --> 00:57:42.039
you're you can only practice in certain areas, right, so102900:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.760
wherever you are that's I think you're in California if103000:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.719
I'm not mistaken, so that you practice there, So you103100:57:47.760 --> 00:57:52.239
couldn't necessarily practice in Virginia, for example. But for spiritual guidance,103200:57:53.119 --> 00:57:54.079
maybe I'll bet you're off.103300:57:54.159 --> 00:57:59.360
Yeah, exactly right, So I can. I can basically coach103400:57:59.559 --> 00:58:04.039
or or be a spiritual guide to anybody you know,103500:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.320
no matter where they live. But I wouldn't take on103600:58:07.360 --> 00:58:10.719
a psychotherapy client who wasn't living in California. So that's right.103700:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.760
It's very is two to you. So if you would103800:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.000
like to have a spiritual guidance session with me, And103900:58:16.039 --> 00:58:17.960
by the way, if you don't have my book, I'm104000:58:18.000 --> 00:58:19.480
sending you one. I thought you had it.104100:58:19.559 --> 00:58:20.000
I'm sorry.104200:58:20.119 --> 00:58:21.719
Oh no, that's okay. We love it. We'd love to104300:58:21.760 --> 00:58:23.239
have a copy, yes, but we don't have one yet.104400:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.199
No, okay, we have a kid that's going to be104500:58:25.280 --> 00:58:28.239
launched in a few years. Yes, I'll be good.104600:58:28.119 --> 00:58:28.360
To have.104700:58:31.159 --> 00:58:32.480
Okay, absolutely.104800:58:33.360 --> 00:58:36.199
Yeah. So then if someone wants to buy your book104900:58:36.760 --> 00:58:40.159
or reach out and get connected with you for spiritual guidance,105000:58:40.320 --> 00:58:42.719
there's two different places to go to for that, right105100:58:42.840 --> 00:58:46.000
or yeah, where where should someone go? Yeah?105200:58:46.079 --> 00:58:48.719
You know what, just faith free dot com is a105300:58:48.760 --> 00:58:52.119
great place to go. And then you'll see there will105400:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.280
be a link to the book and it'll take you105500:58:54.320 --> 00:58:56.639
to diy spirituality dot com.105600:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.119
Okay, perfect, we'll get and I do have a.105700:58:59.079 --> 00:59:01.840
Contact form, so if you or someone you know and105800:59:01.960 --> 00:59:05.280
love wants spiritual guidance, you know, you just fill out105900:59:05.280 --> 00:59:05.719
the form.106000:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.079
Okay, perfect. Well we're going to add a link to106100:59:08.119 --> 00:59:09.960
our show notes. So if you didn't have a pen106200:59:10.000 --> 00:59:11.800
in that particular point in time, you want to connect106300:59:11.880 --> 00:59:14.280
with Faith, all you need to do is go to106400:59:14.280 --> 00:59:16.599
skepticq a position dot com, go to her episode page.106500:59:16.599 --> 00:59:18.880
You'll find those links laid into directly, so it's easy106600:59:18.880 --> 00:59:22.920
for you to connect and find your faith.106700:59:24.639 --> 00:59:29.760
Look at you, so what you did there?106800:59:31.800 --> 00:59:33.679
Faith? Thank you so much for coming on the show.106900:59:33.719 --> 00:59:35.599
We didn't even get a chance to talk about Freedome,107000:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.320
which I'm really really curious about, but maybe well we107100:59:38.360 --> 00:59:40.639
got a couple of minutes. Tell us really quickly. What's Freedome?107200:59:40.679 --> 00:59:41.360
Tell us about that.107300:59:41.920 --> 00:59:45.360
Well, that's a brand that I'm launching that is meant107400:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.719
to offer people tools to enhance their spirituality and also107500:59:50.320 --> 00:59:54.719
signal their their DIY spirituality with a little divine wink.107600:59:55.119 --> 00:59:58.199
And so that's in the works coming soon.107700:59:59.239 --> 01:00:01.599
Well, I love that time, so I'm definitely gonna follow107801:00:01.599 --> 01:00:02.400
you so I can find it.107901:00:02.639 --> 01:00:05.079
Thank you, and I love it that you have this.108001:00:05.239 --> 01:00:10.119
You've introduced a new, a new DIY spirituality in terms108101:00:10.159 --> 01:00:14.039
of going into a crowd by yourself, Like wow, I mean,108201:00:14.079 --> 01:00:16.719
what could be more authentic?108301:00:18.400 --> 01:00:24.519
A touche doctor faith. There's been an absolute pleasure getting108401:00:24.519 --> 01:00:25.679
to know you. Thanks so much for being on the108501:00:25.679 --> 01:00:26.599
skeptic my positions.108601:00:27.280 --> 01:00:28.639
Thank you, thank you for having me
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