Miracles, Coincidences & Gratitude – A Heart-to-Heart with Will & Karen
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Spiritual Awakening

Every now and then, we like to strip away the guest interviews, the expert teachings, and the deep dives, and just have an honest, unscripted conversation. In this bonus episode, Will and Karen sit down together (with no plan at all!) to reflect on how their own spiritual journeys have shifted after hundreds of interviews on The Skeptic Metaphysicians.

What starts as a meandering chat quickly becomes a heartfelt exploration of how little “coincidences” might actually be miracles in disguise, and how simply reframing the way we see the world can unlock more joy, meaning, and connection.

What You’ll Hear in This Episode

  • Why Karen now sees “coincidences” as miracles, and how that small shift has transformed her daily outlook.
  • Will playing devil’s advocate: is it really a miracle, or are we just assigning meaning where there is none?
  • Stories of flat tires, angel numbers, and unexpected signs from loved ones who’ve passed.
  • A powerful lesson from Jonathan Robinson’s “world’s best mantra” (spoiler: it’s just two simple words).
  • How gratitude and miracles feed into each other to create a cycle of upliftment.
  • A practical challenge for you: spotting the “miracles” in your own everyday life.
Key Takeaways
  • Perspective changes everything. Viewing synchronicities as miracles instead of accidents can shift your vibration instantly.
  • Gratitude is the ultimate mantra. Saying “thank you” consistently for even the smallest things deepens your spiritual awareness.
  • Spiritual practice doesn’t have to be complicated. Sometimes it’s just about noticing what’s already around you.
  • Your experience is your teacher. Whether it’s a flat tire, a blue jay in winter, or a bright blue Tesla, the universe is always speaking...if you’re open to noticing.
Your “Miracle Challenge”
We invite you to carry a small notebook (or just keep mental notes) and jot down the little miracles you notice each day. Whether it’s seeing a repeating number, receiving a text at just the right time, or spotting a bird you asked to see, train your awareness to spot the magic woven into your everyday life.

If you enjoyed this unscripted conversation, let us know! We’d love to create more of these intimate bonus episodes where we reflect, laugh, and explore the spiritual path right alongside you.

Because sometimes… the miracles aren’t in the interviews...they’re in the everyday moments we live.

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Hey, either welcome back to the Skeptic met Physicians. I'm

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will and I'm caring, and today we have no idea

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what we're talking.

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About, no idea whatsoever.

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Except that we did want to come on and talk

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to you because we missed you. First of all, it's

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been too long.

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It has been have we actually have we ever done

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this before?

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I think we might have done it a long time ago,

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like maybe three years ago. Oh, there has been too long,

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it has been way too long. Or maybe never, We're

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not sure. But we did those intros, those little intros

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ahead of time for a few of the episodes. Do

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you can still hear them in a classic episodes now,

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especially for the radio stations. But I don't know that

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we've ever done an entire episode chess, You and I

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talking about stuff.

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We'll see how it goes, right, So what do you

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want to talk about? Gosh, there are so many things

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to talk about. Do we I don't know where do

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we want to start? Do we want to talk about

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what we believe in? Do we want to talk about

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some of the different interviews we had? Do we want

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to talk about the changes in our life between when

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we started and now? Well?

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What if we talk about it, we need to focus

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on how is it going to help people?

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Oh well, I was going to say, I thought of something.

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We can maybe talk about some of the things that

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some of our guests have said that impacted us and

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how we look at things. Okay, start, Oh, okay, I'll start,

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except for I don't remember everyone's names because we didn't

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know what we were talking about, so I don't have

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a list. But you're really good at that. I will try,

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so you might know.

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I'll try.

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I believe this was a woman in England and there

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is it down broad and I think she might have

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been blonde, still broad. Dang it. Well, she talked to

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us about how she sees things in life and how

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we tend to, just because of our pragmatic selves, call

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little interesting happenings coincidences, but how she calls them miracles.

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Right?

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Does that ring a bell? Yes? Do you know who

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it was?

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No?

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English? And maybe blonde?

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Okay, Well what about that spoke to you?

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Well, you know, it's interesting because we have so many

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different things in our life going on, and sometimes we

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have a good day or we have a bad day,

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and we just take so much for granted, and we

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can take these you know, little things that happen as

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a coincidence or you know, I don't even not even

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that just like, oh, that just happened. But if and

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then you proceed with your regular day. But when you

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start to look at these things differently, and instead of thinking, oh,

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that that was just because I was there at the

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same time, or that's just an interesting coincidence or ironic,

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if you start to think about that was a little miracle,

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it changes your viewpoint, at least for me. For me,

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it's changed the way I look at so many things

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because instead of just being like some sort of scientific

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happenstance or you know, set of moments that lined up,

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it becomes more of the universe, God, spirit, whatever giving

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me these little gifts. And that has really kind of

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shaped the way I think about things. It's made it

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just just more joyful. I mean, there's bad coincidences too,

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and those are not so joyful, but it kind of

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makes me feel like, Okay, there's a specific reason that

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this happened. You know, So I don't want to say

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bad miracles. That doesn't sound right right.

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Well, I get that, but as someone who looks at

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things from a pragmatic point of view, and I don't

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disagree with you, I will put that out there. But

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the thought that immediately pops into my mind when you're

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seeing that is, aren't you just looking and seeing what

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you want to see? Where if it's actual, an actual coincidence,

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it means nothing. But you're signing an importance to that

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event that may or may not be warranted. And if

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you do add that importance to that event, then would

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it perhaps do you a disservice by applying that importance

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to the event that maybe doesn't mean to mean anything.

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I don't think so, And maybe I just don't understand

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exactly the question you're saying. Am I making a mountain

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out of a molehill? Maybe?

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No, Maybe it's like pollyanni Ish, It's like you're seeing

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like we just had a conversation with a couple a

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few some folks that we talked about spiritual bypassing and

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could just be a sort of spiritual bypassing. We're just

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putting flowers where they don't block.

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Okay, well, let's look at that conversation. They asked you

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for something that had happened, and you couldn't think of

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anything like a negative situation and then they said, well,

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how about a flat tire, And we had had a

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flat tire like not even a week ago, And that

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incident helped you process this whole huge array of emotions

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that I think ultimately is going to be something that's

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going to help you tremendously. So the fact that they

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said flat tire when we had actually had a flat

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tire which led to all this discovery, I think that's

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I don't think that's a coincidence.

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I agree with you, Like I said, it'd be an

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adding I agree with you to start with. I agree

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with you. Here's the here's the what might be the difference?

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I don't know. I'm just I'm just playing devil advocate here.

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Just we were clear that flat tire, that event that

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catapulted this whole conversation that we had that did indeed

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point out some things to me that were completely blind

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I was blinded to that is going to ultimately, I

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believe helped me to become a better person and a

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more spiritual person moving forward and become more abundant and

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all that kind of stuff. But that was a teaching moment,

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right that the universe that they actually said everybody, all

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of our guides, our spirit GUIDs, our angels, our universe.

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Everything was conspiring to make me have a flat tire

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in that particular point in time, so that it would

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it could. I could see a limiting belief that was

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putting upon myself. Somehow it seemed totally unrelated until we

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connected the dots and it wasn't unrelated. But when it

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comes to the other side of the coin, where you

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assign an importance of seeing a particular type of bird,

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for example, or something like that, that could have just been

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a coincidence, but to you, it's something that's okay.

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So like when Christy passed yes and I was talking

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to her and I'm like, send me a sign, send

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me a magnolia. And I woke up the next morning

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and the very first thing that popped up on my

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phone was a picture of a magnolia that my mother

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took and said, I don't know why, but I just

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felt the need to send you this. So you think

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I'm assigning more to.

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That, I'm not sure what I'm thinking. I'm just I'm

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just asking the Devil's advocate question. I could have been

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there was just a coincidence that you saw at the

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magnolia I didn't take a point time. No, I mean

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I kind of agree with you in an instance, but

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again to go back to it's right back to the

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flat tire thing. But let's say, oh gosh, I wish

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I could put my finger on something that we've gone

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through in the past. Angel numbers. Okay, Right, we put

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all this importance on eleven eleven and four forty four

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and two to two and all these kinds of things,

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and everywhere, we're seeing them everywhere. But what if it's

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just articuling our activating system that's just kind of pointing

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out or helping us to see these numbers when they're

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always there anyway, just because we want to see them.

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Okay, So first of all, yeah, the numbers are going

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to be there anyways. You know, it's always going to

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be at some point, you know, twice a day eleven

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eleven or two twenty two or four forty four. But

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I think for me, the miracle that we're experiencing when

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we see those numbers is that when you see those numbers,

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you instantly think, wow, angel numbers, universe love like joy.

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It take, it takes that vibration, that energy up, even

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if just for a moment, so that to me is

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that miracle. It's like, hey, don't forget, don't forget.

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Okay, So it's a little different than what I'm talking

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about now. I'm talking about an angel actually showing me

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a number, and as a proof that an angel exists

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and it's there in there, the angels the are watching

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over me, you take them more as an opportunity to

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up your vievibration.

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Well a little bit of both, because I mean I

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didn't say it, and angels not saying hey look at

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the clock now, and you look at the clock because

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the angel showed you that clock. That's right, And then

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you take that opportunity to think about the light and

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the love and the joy, and it ups your vibration.

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Okay, I get what you're saying. I do. I get

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what you're saying. It's not really a butt. It's maybe

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it's an end because I want to believe that it's

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an angel saying, hey look at your clock, or hey

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look at the license plate, or hey look at this

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over here that pointed out And even I'll go so

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far as to say that an angel made me go

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a certain way so I could particularly see this particular number.

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Things like that, For reasons to help me to understand

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they're there and everything's going to be fine and all

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that kind of stuff. But what if it's not. What

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if it's just some stupid coincidence.

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Okay, So what I said at the very beginning, we're

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talking about things that people have said that have impacted us.

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The fact that she called these out and changed the

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name from coincidence to miracle is what impacted me, and

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that has helped me to look at Oh it's not

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just a coincidence. Oh it's it's an angel number. Oh

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it's Christie reaching out to me. Oh it's the universe

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saying hey, you got this flat tire. YadA YadA YadA,

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you worked too hard. So my point was that my

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perspective I have been changed based on what we've been,

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what we've had a conversation that we've had through our interviews.

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Okay, so that impacted you in a way that made

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you change your perspective.

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It did, absolutely. I mean you have to admit that

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throughout these last several years, based on all these different

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interactions we've had in person or on video, whatever, we've changed.

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And whether it's because of something someone said or maybe

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because of something someone didn't said, or maybe we'd agreed,

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maybe we disagreed, but somehow, little by little we've been changing.

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I mean, I know I have, and I know you have,

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whether or not you see it as much as I do.

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Now I see it, there's no question, And I also

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see how far I yet have to go.

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Oh definitely the more I talk to me, I.

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Mean, you're not wrong. No, no, you're not wrong, but

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damn you don't have to call it out like that.

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All right, So then you are very impressive. I mean,

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you do all the stuff so much more than I do.

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You do, you know, you're much more regimented on your meditation.

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You read the books. We laugh because we say I

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show up, and that's not untrue.

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But sometimes you know, different people, different souls, are different

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levels of their development, and you, being an angel on

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this earth, does not need to go into the books

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as often as someone who is so severely stuck in

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their three D ego like me. I have to kind

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of foreseed myself these kinds of things. So that's what

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I'm thinking. Okay, So then if someone who's listening right

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now is hearing this conversation and going, okay, what does

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this have to do with me at all. How can

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this How can someone who's listening take this information that

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impacted you the way that it did and move it

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forward in their lives to make them a better spiritual being.

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Well, that's an impossible question because different things are going

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to resonate with different people in different ways. So some

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well might hear this and a lot that's a bunch

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of crap, delete the podcast. Hopefully not. But you know,

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we talk so much about looking at the bright side

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or having gratitude and all of these things making your

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life better and fuller and deeper and making you kinder

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and making you more open and more receptive. And you

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have to start somewhere, and I think this for me

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is a good way to start because it doesn't cost anything,

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it doesn't take any extra work, it doesn't involve anybody else.

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Well, let's dive a little bit into that. For you,

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when that happened, can you think of a specific instance.

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so no worries if not, But could you think of

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a specific instance where your mindset was not in a

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great place and the act of seeing this little miracle

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change your mindset and then good things sort of happening

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from that point. Very specific.

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That's very specific, and I'm not prepared.

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I know I put you on the spot.

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I know, I can't think of a specific instant. I

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think it's a culmination of many different instances. I think

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that the more you see these miracles, the more you

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see the beauty, the more you can feel enjoyment more

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because it's so much more fun to think it was

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a miracle and not to think, well, this just happened.

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And the more you enjoy that, the more you're going

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to enjoy everything, right from the feeling of the breeze

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on your skin to love, to smells, to taste, because

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you look at it more through the eyes of beauty

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and love, enjoy and acceptance unless and just the pragmatic

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get things done. This is in the way that's I'm

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doing this and this happened, et cetera.

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It's so true, and it's so but so easy to

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forget of these things like what I put you on

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the spot just now, and you couldn't come up with

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a specific example. We take these things actually for granted

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sometimes now we do.

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But it's like anything. It's just like exercise, you know,

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It's like one says you have to do the work.

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But this is a good work. This is a fun work.

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It is actually and you know what, I would go

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a little bit further and give everyone who's listening some

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homework if you want it. Not this is not class.

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But I think I tried doing this a while back,

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and then I fell out of it unfortunately for some reason.

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I think things happened and I got work. Stuff happened,

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and I got poopy pants. But I think I want

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to go back and start doing it again. There was

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a point when I was first reading Michael Michael Singer's

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first book, The Surrender Experiment, the first book that I read.

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That book blew my mind because there were so many

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parallels there between him and I when he was first

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starting his his journey. But that was a time when

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I started carrying around a miracle book. Remember the little

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notebook that I had, and I would write down when

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one of the little miracles would happen. And I wrote

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a grand total of two, and then I lost touch.

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Do you remember what those two were? No? Do you no?

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You wrote a miracle book?

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looked at them again. But I think what I'm going

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to try to do is I'm gonna go back now

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and carry rather. You know, it's a little little notepad,

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little little notebook fit in your back pocket, and every

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time that little coincidence, a little miracle happens, just write

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it down. At the end of the day, I'm going

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to read all the coincidences, all the miracles I saw

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that day, and then of the course of days and

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weeks and months, it might then all culminate and show

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you just what a magical life we actually live.

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I think that is a great idea, and I'm excited

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for you to do that. And I do want to

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say for people that are listening, because sometimes you're like

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I got to write a journal or you know, like

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you said, I'm going to give you homework, just don't

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even start from even before that, Like, don't even write

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anything down. Don't feel like you have to do something,

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because if you feel like you have to do it,

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then it becomes work.

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Just think about you get to look at something a

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different way, you don't have to write it down. You know,

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after you start seeing it, I think you'd be like,

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oh my god, I got to write these down. This

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is incredible and you'll be motivated to do that. But

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I think at very first, if you're kind of struggling

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and you're kind of in that negative mindset, it's going

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to be like one more thing to do. So just

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what I would say is just just just look at

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these little what you normally would call coincidences in your

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life and and try to really think about, well, that's interesting,

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why did that happen, How could that, why could that

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have happened? What could that mean for me? Why is

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that special?

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just let that's true that I was looking in our

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book case here to see if if I had a

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whole notebook, but because I surrendered it, I told you, yeah,

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but I remember the miracles that I wrote down were

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like whoa, I need to write this down kind of thing.

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And it doesn't have to start that way. It could

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be something as simple as I would love to see

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a red robin toon way.

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I remember now one Oh, okay, so I was working

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for a healthcare system producing like a docu series for them,

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and you remember how bad that was. I mean I

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would call you and be like, Okay, come to the

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door with shots. I'm about to pull up in ten minutes.

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And we're not talking of firearms.

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a couple of times. And so I was driving and

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I have to drive so far, and I was driving

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out to one of the super Far locations and I

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had to drive like through the woods. It was like,

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I think I drove over one hundred and fifty miles

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that day. And so because we had multiple locations, so

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I go to the first one and I'm thinking about

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this whole you know, manifesting and this was, you know,

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several years ago. We're really starting to kind of try

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to get into this, and I'm like, and it was

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a blue jay. You're talking about birds, and I'm like,

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I want to see a blue jay. And it was

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wintertime though, so that was kind of like the test.

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You gonna show me a blue jay, you know. So

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I get to work and I forget about it because

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I had the trauma of dealing with this particular shoot.

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So we do the shoot and then you know, I'm

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driving home and I'm totally forgetting about this is like

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eight nine hours later, and I pull up to the

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house and I go to my phone to check something

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out and I had looked, you know, like at some

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signs because you never know how it's going to show up,

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and I'm looking for birds, you know whatever. So I

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had given up on it. So I get home and

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I look on my phone too, I don't know, like

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I got a text message or something, and I click

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on it and up pops this memory and it's a

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picture of a blue jay. Wow. And I was just like,

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holy cow. That was like, okay, okay, there's something to this, right,

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you know. That's that was so random and is so

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and by then I had forgotten about it.

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So that was an example of yours. Yes, it's not

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one of the ones I wrote R right.

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No, no, no, no, that's what I was saying when you had

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asked me specifically for an example. That kind of made

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me turn around.

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Yeah, that's a great example because that was.

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A random one. You know. It's like, there's a blue Jays.

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And it actually reminds me of doctor Maria Rothenberger, who

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does the show The Reluctant Medium. There's also a New

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Reality TV content partner. Her show is on New Reality,

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but she also has a podcast called The Reluctant Medium

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that's not on New Reality. You can listen to it

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on any podcast platform, and you listen to your podcast

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on and I said, yes, you do, because she's really remarkable.

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It's an incredible show. But she does a series of

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solo shows. Sometimes she'll do interviews. I was listening to

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her show one time where was a stretch of time

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where she was doing a bunch of solo episodes, which

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I really enjoyed. And she's a therapist and she helps

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women with fertility issues, and she sees spirit babies. She

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speaks to spirit babies. That's the crux of that. But

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in this particular episode, she was talking about manifestation or

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not manifestation, noticing things, letting the universe show you that

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this stuff is actually very legit. She said, well, she

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challenged us to do the same thing. But what she

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did was she the thought of a car that she

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wanted to see. In the morning. She woke up said, Okay, today,

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I want to see fifty seven Chevy Impala or whatever

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it is, right, and something really super outrageous. Yeah, and

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go out there and let it go, but pay attention.

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And before long, couple of hours, cresting over a hill,

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here came that whatever car it was, the fifty seven

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Chevy and Pall or whatever it is, which.

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Is super rare, unexpected.

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Yeah, it's like it's talk about random. Right, So she

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did it again, and she said, Okay, I'm gonna do

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it again. This was all based on a book that

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she read. She didn't get to pick something else, and

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lo and behold there was again. Now she challenged us

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as listeners, and I now challenge you, as our listener,

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to do the same thing in the morning or whatever.

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Right now, think of a random thing. I happened to

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have thought of a bright blue Tesla. At the time,

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there weren't a lot of Tesslas around. There's a total

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of testos now, but yeah, back then, there weren't a

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lot of them, and there weren't a lot of colors.

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It was white and black and you know, but but

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I want to see a bright blue tesla. And it's

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not that I want to see is I'm going to see? Right,

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It's the act of knowing you're gonna you know it,

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You feel the emotions of what you would feel like

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if you saw it, and then let it go. And

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I started noticing, and I looked, and I start noticing,

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and I start nursing. I keep noticing, and I forget

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to notice that, I start nosing again, I forget. I

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completely forgot about it. And then the next thing I know,

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I look over and sitting next to me at the

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traffic light is a bright blue Tesla. And that was like,

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come on.

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Yeah, you have to like not look for it.

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Yes, you have to not look for it, but pay attention. Yes,

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because that bright blue tesla was sitting at the traffic

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light next to me for a long time before I

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actually noticed it. Yeah, right, And it's like the universe going, hello,

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I'm here, but I almost I almost missed it.

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You know, what I just thought about my blue jay

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is that this is kind of like the double whammy,

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because not only was the universe showing me a blue jay,

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but they were showing me a picture that I took

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of the blue jay. So it was like my own

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creation of a blue jay that was manifested by me

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or something. I don't right, Right, that's interesting.

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Well, he got a lot going on, a lot more

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to that to do with it than anything else, I think.

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But okay, so our challenge, if we choose to accept it,

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is to carry around a little notebook, just a little

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note pattern and we start jotting down the miracles that

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we notice. If you don't want to job, like to

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Karen's point, don't want to jot it down, and just

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the act of noticing it will be enough. But notice it. See,

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for me, the notebook is good because then I remember, Yeah,

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because I will notice a thousand things. And the next

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time I know something, I'm going like it was the

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first time all over again. It doesn't build up on

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me like I would if I wrote it down.

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See, I am. I like to write, but I write

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when I feel like I have to write, like I

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mean that. So if I start, if I see one,

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then I'm gonna be like, I better write it down.

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But if I start singing all the time, I'm like, oh,

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I got to write this down. No one's going to

460
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believe this or it doesn't mind myself.

461
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But then you got to go back and try to

462
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remember what start from that. From that point, yeah, but

463
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then you're missing.

464
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Everyone thinks we think the same. We're totally choose your poison,

465
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that's not poison, choose you on a ventuation pois Yeah,

466
00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:06.640
whichever way works for you.

467
00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:08.799
Right, Yeah, I like to call it choose your own

468
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adventure door.

469
00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:12.559
Yes, I like that too, but I want you to

470
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tell me an example of something that one of our

471
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interviews has said that's affected you now now putting you

472
00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:23.359
on spot, that's not fair.

473
00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:26.839
I'm way better at being putting people on the spot

474
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than it is being put on the spot. It's so

475
00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.680
many It is interesting because what comes to mind is

476
00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.319
that story of the frog in the boiling pot of water,

477
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where if you bring the pot to a boil and

478
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then you drop the frog, and it's going to jump

479
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out quickly, right because it you can tell it's about

480
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to be boiled to death. However, you put the frog

481
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in first and then slowly bring up the heat the

482
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frog before they realize it will be boiled to death

483
00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:53.720
because they didn't realize that heat was going up. And

484
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I'm nut it's a pretty morbid way of explaining this,

485
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but it's pretty appropriate in the fact that for me

486
00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:04.559
it's not and you alluded to it earlier in the conversation.

487
00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:08.440
It's a build up of all the different conversations that

488
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we've had that have made me go whoa and grown

489
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into who I am today.

490
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:17.559
Right, And I'm not asking specifically for like one that's

491
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changed your whole world, but like, for example, maybe the

492
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reverse speech, you know you talk about that and the

493
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subconscious communication, or just something that's impacted you.

494
00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:31.440
You're like, holy cow, okay, you know you know something

495
00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:34.559
that really impacted impacted me was a story that Jonathan

496
00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:35.519
Robinson told us.

497
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:38.720
Oh, I know it. Wanda has a great story.

498
00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:43.160
See yes, the world's best mantra. Yes, yes, yes, that

499
00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:46.200
was So did you tell a story or yeah, tell us? Okay,

500
00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:50.480
So Jonathan Robinson, who was diving into this stuff trying

501
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:53.839
to find the best way to this a weakened spiritually

502
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:56.799
as quickly as possible. And if you haven't listened to

503
00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:58.079
the episode, it's really good.

504
00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:00.920
I was just gonna say, if you have time, maybe

505
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stop at this point go listen to him tell the

506
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.759
story because it's fantastic. Or if you're in a hurry,

507
00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:07.680
you can hear the cliff notes here.

508
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:09.240
Right, because he's going he tells it way better than

509
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:13.119
I'm going to possibly give it it's due, But anyway,

510
00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:18.119
he is was an eternal search for spiritual practices and

511
00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:20.759
a friend of his came back from India who had

512
00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.319
gone to study with the guru for a while, and

513
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:25.319
he was talking to Jonathan and he says, I found

514
00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:29.960
the world's best mantra. And jon says, what I want

515
00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:32.119
to I want to find out what the what is it?

516
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:33.720
What's the world's best mantra? And the guy said, I

517
00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:35.920
can't tell you. You have to experience it.

518
00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:37.799
Life changing, This is life changing.

519
00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:40.559
But this is a mantra that's going to completely utterly

520
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.359
change everything. And so Jona is like, I must know

521
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.839
what this mantra is. And the guys I known, You've

522
00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:48.839
You've got to experience it yourself. I can't. It won't

523
00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:50.680
have the same impact if I tell you, you have

524
00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:52.920
to go and find it for yourself. You have to

525
00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:55.960
talk to the guru. So before he knew that, Jonathan

526
00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:59.359
was booking a flight to India to meet this guru.

527
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:03.759
And the way he shares a story, if you've ever

528
00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:06.960
gone to India, it's not the easiest country. To get

529
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:09.920
around it. The flight is a long flight, and when

530
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:11.920
you get there, it's you have to go through all

531
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:14.799
kinds of hoops to finally get to places, to get somewhere,

532
00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.279
took tooks and people can't understand you a lot of times.

533
00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:21.240
It's just it's like this, it's an effort. It's like

534
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:26.359
he worked really hard to get to this Ashwam And

535
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.240
so he finally gets in front of the Master and

536
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:31.599
he's waiting through all the ceremonies or whatever, and then

537
00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:34.319
finally has a chance to go and approach the Master

538
00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:38.960
and he goes, Master, you'll never know the lengths to

539
00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:43.119
which I went through to get to you, because I

540
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:47.880
must know the world's best mantra, the world's most powerful mantra.

541
00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:52.480
And the Guru turns him and goes, oh, yes, yes,

542
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:56.920
that is a very special mantra. It can only be

543
00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:02.559
life altering. And John says great, great, well what is it?

544
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:04.920
And he's hanging on every word and the Guru goes

545
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:17.079
the mantra is thank you. Jonathan was like, that's it,

546
00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:20.119
thank you, that's it. Thank you is the mantra that

547
00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:22.680
changes everybody. Oh you kid me. I went through five

548
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:26.359
different airline changes, I took fifteen different took tooks to

549
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.480
get here. I can't remember. We walked on the mountain

550
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:32.200
for thank you. Well, thanks for nothing, and the Guru

551
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:36.480
says no, thank you, and anything walked away all frustrated.

552
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.200
And as he was walking out into the world, he

553
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:44.039
got back into a taxi to go back to the airport,

554
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.279
or at the hotel because he was so frustrated, and.

555
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.559
So his wife was home. Oh yeah, and I guess

556
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:54.799
the airport and it's like a thousand degrees outside. He

557
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:56.519
gets in, he's like, really, you know, it's an air

558
00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:59.039
conditioned and he's like, all right, and I traveled all

559
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:01.759
the way out here, I may as well start using this.

560
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.200
So he was like, thank you for letting me be

561
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:06.680
in an air conditioned room. And then he reached out

562
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:08.599
to his wife on zoom on his laptop or something

563
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:10.240
and was like, thank you for letting me be able

564
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:13.480
to communicate with my wife instantaneously even though across the world.

565
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:15.640
And little by little he started incorporating this and being

566
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:19.119
grateful for everything, and it changed his life.

567
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:23.519
Right, So I to have taken that mantra as my

568
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:26.319
own in a certain extent, and I try to be

569
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.680
as grateful as I can for as many things as

570
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.920
I can. Whenever we sit before we have dinner, we

571
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:35.319
say grace. Although we're not religious, would you say thank you?

572
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.160
And I, whenever it's my turn, I do say thank

573
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:39.960
you for the air rebreath, for the food that were

574
00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:42.440
you provide for us, thank you for the love that

575
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.200
we share. Thank you for the house that we live in.

576
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:48.559
It just helps you delive a little bit better.

577
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.839
I agree. So miracles and gratitude.

578
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.000
And then gratitude will beget miracles.

579
00:27:55.599 --> 00:28:00.319
Ah, and vice versa and vice versa.

580
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.799
All right, anything.

581
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:05.119
Else, I think that's good.

582
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:09.640
All right, Oh, we appreciate you listening to this meandering conversation.

583
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:11.200
We don't know whether we're gonna we're gonna be doing

584
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:13.000
more of these or not. But if you enjoyed it,

585
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:13.960
let us let us know.

586
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:16.920
Yeah, because you know we're not experts on anything. You

587
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.440
can just we're just too regular Well I would say

588
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:20.960
too regular Joe's but I guess like a Joe and

589
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:25.039
a Jane muddling our way through, learning a little bit

590
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:27.240
from all of these conversations. And if you're like us

591
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:29.440
and you want to hear our thoughts on it, let

592
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:31.400
us know because we're happy to share.

593
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.640
Yeah, if you have a particular topic, right, that's what

594
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.160
you mean, a particular pocket, don't talk. But we'd love

595
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.160
to hear your thoughts about this one, because based on

596
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.599
the response, we'll do more of these or we won't.

597
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.200
And I do know we've got these two more of

598
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.000
these in us because there's two topics I want to

599
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:52.640
discuss with you, but I guess that's it for now.

600
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:54.319
I guess, so thanks so much for tuning in. We'll

601
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see you on the next episode of The Skeptic and Physicians.

602
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Until then, take good care.