What Happens When the Life You Built Stops Feeling Like Yours? - Live in Technicolor Feed Drop
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Every now and then, we get to be on the other side of the mic. This week, we're sharing a conversation we had as guests on Baiba Wisse's show, Live In Technicolor, and it turned into one of the more personal conversations we've had in a while.

Baiba asked us the questions we don't always get to sit with on our own show. How did this all start? What was really going on behind the scenes? What do Will and Karen actually believe about why we're here? So that's what this one is. The origin story, the messy parts included.

In this episode, we get into:

  • How a full-on existential crisis during the pandemic cracked Will open and why he's grateful it did
  • The moment Will and Karen almost shut the whole show down, and what changed their minds
  • Why "programming" isn't just a metaphor.... how culture, family, and experience build the filters we see everything through
  • What it actually means to create your own reality, and the one thing that was blocking Will from experiencing it
  • Where Will and Karen genuinely disagree on soul contracts, oneness, and the nature of the human experience
  • The skeptic vs. believer dynamic that makes TSM work, and why both perspectives belong in the room
  • How to find your footing when life is hitting hard, and why presence might be the only real answer
This one is for anyone who's ever wondered if the version of themselves they've been showing the world is actually who they are.

Thanks to Baiba for the conversation and for allowing us to share it with our community. Follow her show on Apple Podcasts or Spotify!

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Hey, there's skeptic metaphysicians family. So something a little different

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in your feed today. See, we were recently guests on

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a show called Live in Technicolor, and the host was

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generous enough to let us bring the conversation back here

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to you, and I'm really glad that you did, because

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turn out to be one of those conversations where Karen

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and I ended up going places we don't always get

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to go on our own show. On this feed drop

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from Live in Technicolor, we're talking about how this whole

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thing started, what was really going on with me in

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those early days, and it's not pretty, why Karen almost

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had to save both of us, and what we actually

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believe is sitting at the core of all this work

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that we do, you know, the big stuff, the personal stuff. Well,

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if you've ever wondered why two people would leave perfectly

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good careers to talk about consciousness and metaphysics with strangers

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on the internet, well so it's probably the closest that

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and thanks to Bible from Live in Technicolor for having

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us on her show and for sharing this with our community.

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All Right, enjoy this feed drop of live in Technicolor

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here on The Skeptic Metephysicians.

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Will and Karen welcome. I am really looking forward to

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our conversation, as are we.

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Thanks for inviting us.

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We're happy to be here.

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So I'd love to hear more about your story of

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how you started this Skeptical Metaphysicians podcast and also on network.

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I believe you have a streaming service that you offer,

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now and what is your purpose.

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Who has a big question est I didn't want to start.

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So the podcast is called The Skeptic Metaphysicians and it

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was created back in twenty twenty when the world was

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back onto it. I had been studying metaphysics and spirituality

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and all that kind of stuff when I was in

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called Conversations with God, and every morning I would sit

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memo to speak about what it meant to be. And

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the universe to affirm my affirmations. However, they started getting

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about what KI is? And I spoke to a psychic

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that was referred to me about the heavy questions why

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are we here? What does this all mean what happens

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after we die? Things like that, And little by little

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I started to understand my place in the world, why

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experiencing a crisis, what I needed to do to make

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myself better. And then I invited Karen to come on

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board as a co host, and the show became so

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much better that we never looked never looked back. And

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people to interview, and then you do the interviews and

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of reviews and there were like multiple pages of reviews

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of their day and written paragraphs about our little show. So,

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thoughts he's having, and the last thing he said was

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thank you for helping me feel normal. And we thought, wow,

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can't stop. And you know, like they say, when you're

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doing something and it's coming from the right place, the

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universe helps you. And it just kind of drops some

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software into Will's lap that cut down on his time.

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able to continue with the editing of the podcast but

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also be at dinner with us and do all the

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stuff that he was starting to miss. So the more

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we talked about it and realized that this is actually,

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you know, we're not special. We just talked to people

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about their gifts, but it's helping people. We thought, well,

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a bunch of these shows could do. So we decided

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to help with that, and we started New realitytv dot

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com and podcasts or streaming platform similar to like if

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metaphysical uplifting space and you can watch things on the

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international broadcast, you can watch shows on demand. But the

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goal really was to we liken it to everyone, all

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of our content partners. We have people literally all over

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the world creating shows that we air on New Reality,

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but we likened it to they're all holding up their

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candle in the darkness, doing their best to light as

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much as they can, but one little flame can't really

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do a lot. So we thought if we gathered all

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of those flames together, then we can just create this

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really big, beautiful beacon that can help guide people along

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their journey. So that's what and our TV is New

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Reality TV.

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You know, a very quick nutshell, very quick nutshell.

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So how did them will? You mentioned seeking something right,

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some sort of a crisis, So what prompted even to

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start all these big existential spear siritual questions?

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to look at my actions in the past and found

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I didn't like who I was. I was very judgmental,

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I was very angry. I was very self entitled. I

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am a television very very self destructive, self sabotaged a

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whole deal. I'm a television executive by trade, and so

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if you if you can imagine that stereotypical TV exec,

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that's who I was. And it suddenly, literally from one

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day to another, there was a light switch. Something happened

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that forced me to look at myself and say, that's

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not how I want to be. I was no longer

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aligned with the things I was doing. I was no

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longer I no longer felt comfortable with a sensationalism, with

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the fear based the triggers that that it takes to

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bring someone in as an audience member. And I didn't

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see a way out of it. I didn't know how

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to get out of it because it's everything, It's what

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I've always done my entire career. And then it affected

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my family life. I started because I was working sixty

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eighty hours a week. I didn't, like Karen said, didn't

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have time for the family. It was affecting me. I

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was constantly working, I was constantly in a bad mood.

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I was losing everything around me. And in the instant,

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it all just came crashing down on me and I

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knew something had to change. I didn't know what, I

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change because I could not go on the way that

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I was I was being, And therapy was my first step.

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It was my attempt at what the heck, what can

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I do? How can I how can I move forward?

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world that has made all of the difference. It has

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changed all of our lives, I would say exponentially, just

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by taking that first step of divine intervention, whatever you

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want to call it, that just struck me like a

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two by four head and said no more, you cannot

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be this anymore.

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moment where you saw it, or was it gradual where

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you knew kind of like that dissatisfaction or some sort

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of like you knew that who you didn't like, who

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you were becoming for a while, it.

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then the depth of it was more a gradual discovery.

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with this what do you mean? And then the discovery

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of just how far this existential crisis the tendrils deep rest.

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maybe you know roughly about the personality you're describing that

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many times they don't see themselves that way. You're very

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happy existing in those patterns, and even you know, I'm

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sure you had feedback, you know, from others and not

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being happy. But that's why I was asking, because some people,

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you know, they are really unhappy in their situations, and

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it's a it's a build you know, over the nays.

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The challenges, and you're right, I did get red flags

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and people tell me, hey, and you don't see it,

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you don't want to see it. Everything's fine, I'm working,

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Everything is perfect, exactly exactly. You know. The challenge the

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issues are on your end, not on mine. You're the

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ones entitled. You're the one that's angry. It's not me,

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you do you don't see it when you're in the

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middle of it. It's not until someone has to make

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a conscious decision to take a step back and look

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at yourself in a whole way rather than through the

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filters that we have built up around us, before you

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can make any kind of change, any kind of market change.

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And those filters, for me, fell all at one time,

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and I did, I did take a minute to look

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at myself, truly look at myself and went oh wow.

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And then through therapy you start looking at all the

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filters that were there. Why are theyre there? What made

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them go there?

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What?

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How? What does it mean to have them? Because I mean,

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we're all this world programs us from the time we

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were born. Who you are supposed to be, what you're

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supposed to believe in, what the education system is, what

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the political system is, how the money works. But we

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are being programmed every single day to fit into the

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society in which we live and breathe every single day.

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You're told to believe a certain thing. But it's not

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until you take a minute and you choose to look

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at that programming that has been given to you and

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you decide this is something that works for me, this

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is something that does not work for me, and understand

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where they came from. You won't be able to change it.

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tiger's stripes. That's because, excuse me, I believe that the

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tiger doesn't realize it has stripes. The minute the tiger

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looks at the stripes and says, why do I have stripes?

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then the tiger starts looking at the reasoning why, and

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then you start unpeeling the onion of a way to

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make that change. Until you really fully look at yourself

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in complete courage and bravery and are willing to accept

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the fact that you have not been who you thought

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you were for a very long time, it's very difficult

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to make a change.

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I mean usually we'll keep on keeping on until we

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were forced or brought down to our knees. And how

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did you go full on from therapy, you know, which

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is still kind of a very worldly you can even

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call it one of the programs and or framework that's

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very accepted right by the system to diving deep and

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seeing the programs and metaphysics right, and you know consciousness,

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and that's a whole different level of spirituality.

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Absolutely, therapies of three D modality a very physical modality.

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a therapist that was tuned in to this spiritual awakening

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space or the metaphysics space to a certain extent. She

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never threw anything on me. The point of meditation when

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she turned me onto it was I had a very

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extremely high level of anxiety and meditation was was her

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way to get me to lower that anxiety levels down

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so we could get into unpacking the issues that were

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affecting me. I use meditation immediately as such an escape

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that I fell into meditation so deeply and so hard,

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for lack of a better term, that I literally I

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would meditate three times a day for about twenty to

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thirty minutes per meditation session, and it took me maybe

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a minute to fall into to deep meditation. That when

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you do a lot of these, you know it was mindfulness, right,

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focus on your breath, that kind of thing. When you're

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hyper focus on something for that long, certain things start

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being revealed to you about who you are, about existential truths,

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of what you have been believing for a long period

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of time. And so those questions, those answers that were

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coming to me begat more questions that I had to

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find out. And it just happened to stumble on this.

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Having carrying the Conversations with God book for decades, I

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didn't particularly care for the book too much because it

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had the word gotten it. I'm not a religious guy.

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is probably the root of all the problem that the

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world has. I don't necessarily believe that now, however, because

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of the book had the word gotten and I I

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didn't sit down and really dive into it because it

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just I didn't think it was for me. But in

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my search for whatever, how can I help myself? I

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just will let's see what this book has to say.

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And within three pages I was completely I mean hooked.

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It's not even saying it deeply enough. It was. It

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completely changed my entire worldview because the book Conversations with

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God is exactly the opposite of what you think it

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is when you first hear of the book. It's not

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a religious book at all. It's actually a gentleman who's

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a writer whose life was falling apart, and he sat

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down and wrote a letter to God, asking him, why

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why are you doing this to me? Why is my

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life like this? And to his surprise, God answered back

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and said, do you really want to know? And it

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begat a dialogue, a conversation, an interview that he had

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with God, this energy that considered God, and he would

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ask any question and God would answer, and it was

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just it's all automatic writing as he was running it down,

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but he was channeling this energy through him onto the

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page and it revealed universal truths that somewhere deep inside

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me I know fit my worldview and it was it

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completely resonated and it just it just set me into

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going down this path that helped me to realize that

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there's a lot more to this world, to this reality

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than we really see or are programmed to see.

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start a podcast came about? So you were a producer, right,

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things are not working, you're seeking so and you're doing

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these affirmations and recording them, and how did you pivot

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to interviews? And kind of what would you say now

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is your purpose through that podcast? And Karen, maybe also

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for you joining the podcast as you see it now.

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Quickly. I would say that the purpose for me to

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do the show at first was purely selfish. It was

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a way for me to have these conversations. When you're

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a podcast host, you have access to certain personalities that

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you wouldn't perhaps have access to without the show. So

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I was able to reach out to a lot of

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spiritual leaders in the space to ask them the burning

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questions I had. Why, How, what's going on? What's the

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real truth here? And so it was a selfish endeavor

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because I needed to figure out what the heck I

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was going to do. Over time, I started feeling better,

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and when I brought Karen in, it became more of

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a joint thing we did together. Karen has always believed,

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she's always known this world. I was the skeptical one.

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I was the one on the fringes. In fact, she

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and I had probably one of the biggest arguments ever

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was when we were going to send our daughter to preschool,

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and the best school in this area happens to be

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a Presbyterian school. And I mentioned earlier I thought organized

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religion was the bane of this world, and so I

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was one hundred percent of gas and against it, and

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so we had a very big argument because I was saying,

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I don't want my daughter to be indoctrinated this way,

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where she was saying, it's not about that, it's about

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the best education that we can get at the moment.

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And so over time I learned how wrong I was

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because she wasn't She went to the Presbyterian School and

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she wasn't indoctrinated, and in fact, the people there are lovely, wonderful,

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beautiful people that just want the best for mankind. So

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it started cracking that egg for me, and bringing Caring

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into the show was a way for me to share

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with her this world that I was so deep into

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that I felt important she get a glimpse into because

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a lot of times in the spiritual path, sometimes couples

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will fear off from each other, and I didn't want

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that to happen, so I wanted to bring her in

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and include her, and I did it at first by

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we had some mutual friends who came on the show

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and I said, hey, you know, then once you come

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and be a guest host, will be the four of

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us will be fun. That was the first one, and

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it was so much fun that we just never looked

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back after that.

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Look got So, Garrett, what did you do before joining

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the podcast and what do you see as your purpose

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right now?

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Well, before joining the podcast, he was kind of going

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through his stuff, and it was from my side of

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that experience it was pretty difficult because I was the

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recipient of the bad moods, the stress, the all of

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the stuff, and it did build a lot of resentment.

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So then I found myself in a situation where I

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had to take care of someone who had been not

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great for So that was for me, probably one of

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the biggest tests of my strength and for the love

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that I felt for him, because underneath all of that,

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you know, anger and whatever, there was love and it's

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very very strong, and that was able to kind of

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get us through that. And that is something that that

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love in general, there are so many different types of

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love and people that you think about it, it's like

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you know, mother, daughter, or relationship, but there's so much

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more to it than that. And that has been something

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that has always been, I guess, a tenant of my

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life just exploring and feeling that. And so with these

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conversations that we have, it's an incredible energy exchange with

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the people that we talked to and just feeling that

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energy and mixing and mingling and feeling that love and

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finding different ways to spread it because I think that, honestly,

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it sounds so cliche, but I think that that lack

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of it's not the lack of love, lack of understanding

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really what love is is one of the biggest problems

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that we have because people are so fixated on one

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type and thinking they don't have it, and that takes

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their whole outlook of everything. But when they can open

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their eyes and see, oh, there's this, and there's that,

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and Okay, I'm not alone. It's not just me. It's

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fostering that community, that feeling of we are all in

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this together. We're all muddling our way through and love

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is that little tiny string that connects us all that love,

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that energy, that light. And so for me, being a

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part of this podcast is helping to build that, helping

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to show people, you know, to put that out front

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so they'll see and they'll realize, because I really do

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think that that's what's going to make it a better world.

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Yeah, and then after she found those reviews, when we've

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realized how much help we were doing for others. It

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no longer was a case of a selfish I'm doing

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this for me. We were going to close the show

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that the mission change from let's help Will to let's

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have these conversations to help Will, but also maybe a

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lot of other people out there too, So it just

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broadened the scope of who we felt we were serving

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at that time.

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And it's a beautiful way for anybody who's still seeking

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for their own purpose and answers. And the missing pieces

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of the puzzle is that you can totally use that

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lack of clarity, that journeying and as a foundation or

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as a way or kind of a thread and share

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it with others and that can lead you it to

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kind of like this dance, right, and it's perfectly valid

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part of the journey right where you can that you

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can build on that also is a part of leading

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you to your answers.

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Yeah, yeah, no question. And in fact, I think what

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we found is what I was what surprised me the

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most was so I've always been a I need an

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answer person, what is the answer? And what I found

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was there is no answer. There's an answer for me,

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but it might be a completely different answer for you.

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For Karen might be totally different answer for you by Euba,

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but it's.

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So there is an answer, there's not just stay one answer.

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Yes, that's a way better say way of saying it. Yeah,

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way better way.

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There's your answer, there's somebody else's exactly. Maybe there are

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a few absolute truths, yeah.

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Yeah, very few. So what the show allows us to do,

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and subsequently, what the streaming platform New Reality TV allows

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us to do, is to explore all the There's a

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gazillion number of paths out there, and the difficult thing

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when I first started out was what am I supposed

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to do? Where do I go? Where do I find

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any answers? We couldn't find a place that I couldn't

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find a place that had those answers. So our show

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explores all the different modalities, all different paths, so that

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you can see if any of these fit for you.

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And then further out, New Reality TV brings in a

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vast array of different practitioners, whether they're shamanic practitioners to

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Thai Buddhist monks, to psychics and channelers and healers, and

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all kinds of modalities and practices and paths in this

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space so that you can explore safely, knowing you're not

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going to get triggered by a fear based content, Knowing

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you're not going to be triggered any political content or

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anything that's divisive. Everything on the platform is meant to uplift,

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is meant to help. And so this is a safe

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space for you to explore all these different paths because

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there's a.

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Lot of them.

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Yeah, and you talk about open mindedness, and I wanted

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to talk to you about kind of on the platform.

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I found you on podmat and one of the things

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that you said that you found the truth of who

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we are at our core. I'd love for you to

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share what that.

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So what I found was that at our core, we

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are all nothing but love. Right, That is who we

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are at our core. The personality that we bring to

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this world is like I mentioned, programmed into you through culture,

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through parents, through family, through experiences that money, that view

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of who you are. But the whole point of us

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being here, in my estimation, because I've learned not to

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say anything in absolute.

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Is.

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To allow ourselves to experience good, bad, indifferent everything between.

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We are here to be able to experience everything knowing

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that our true essence if you stripped us all down,

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00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.680
who are bare nothingness. All that you will find is

465
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:07.200
the energy of love. I like to say, there's only

466
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.240
love or fear. Those are the two energies, and everything

467
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:15.079
else falls behind it. We I believe, are love that

468
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:20.680
has incarnated in order to experience itself, if that makes sense.

469
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.599
But the interesting thing that I find is that no

470
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.559
matter how hard we look or how long we look

471
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:31.480
for we're never going to have all the answers. We're

472
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:33.240
only going to have a little bit of the answer

473
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:36.759
that suits us, that fits us. But when you look

474
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:40.279
at you or look at Karen, that answer doesn't work

475
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:45.400
for her because she has her absolutely different answer. And

476
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:50.000
the key here is to understand that and accept that

477
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:54.839
the minute we look at each other and go it's

478
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:57.880
completely okay for you to have a completely different thought

479
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.079
process about this exact thing. We don't live in the

480
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.480
same reality, you and I and Karen and I. We

481
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:06.240
don't live in the same reality. We create our own

482
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:11.960
reality every time as we move forward. Quantum physics, the

483
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:17.920
double slid experiment that came out showed proved that reality

484
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:22.000
does not exist until it's observed right. I can go

485
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.440
into it if you want, but it gets in the wheeze.

486
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:27.359
But when something is observed, that's when it takes shape.

487
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:31.599
When she looks at something, it's gonna take shape. When

488
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:33.200
I look at something, it's gonna take a different shape.

489
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:38.200
We have a combined agreement, a combined reality that we

490
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.640
are all living in, but the individual details of our

491
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.359
own specific reality are our own. So when you look

492
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.920
at something, you've known people that are going through the

493
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:54.559
same experience as someone and they see it as, Oh,

494
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:57.359
this is all terrible, All these things are terrible, everything

495
00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:59.920
that's happening, it's terrible, And the other person looks like

496
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:02.400
and it's a completely different opposite. Oh my god, this

497
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:05.319
is incredible. I can't believe this happening. This is wonderful.

498
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:09.400
How can two people see the exact same thing in

499
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:14.599
such completely dimetically opposed ways. Because we create our own reality,

500
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.039
We choose what reality we live in every single day,

501
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:20.200
and that is the essence of who we are. It's

502
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:24.359
the creation. We are creators of our own reality.

503
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.799
Karen, do you want to add your perspective?

504
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:29.640
Oh?

505
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.559
Will and I agree and differ on a lot of things.

506
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.319
I don't necessarily feel like you can define it or

507
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:42.160
really even explain it. Like that. We all do our

508
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.559
meditations and we get our downloads, and one of the

509
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.839
ones that I got that really kind of answered it

510
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:53.759
for me is that we are all. We're all so

511
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.200
much more than this body. Right. But that being said,

512
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.240
and we also had an interesting interview about that last night.

513
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.359
We do need to cherish our bodies. I don't like

514
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.319
that term meat sack. It's to me, it's offensive. Because

515
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.559
this is what allows us to get out there and

516
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:12.599
to experience life and feel and touch and taste and

517
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:16.160
swim and fall and ache and cry and laugh. So

518
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:20.400
we need to cherish this and every experience that we have.

519
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.720
What I believe is that it carves like another facet

520
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.039
into this beautiful diamond that we are, so that when

521
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:30.359
we are past this three D and we're back into

522
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.000
the spirit, into the universe where this incredible diamond that

523
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.839
shines even more brightly than it did before we came here.

524
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:42.200
I love the diamond analogy. And yeah, you are a

525
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:49.519
diamond even while you're here. Yea beautiful And you also

526
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:51.599
talked about and I don't know if it's both of

527
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:54.640
you or will was it you who kind of when

528
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:57.720
you had those questions, it sounds like you were very

529
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:02.920
open minded and those deep into you know, different kind

530
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:09.839
of energies, including working with or researching something around riches.

531
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:13.440
I'd love to for you to. It seems like you

532
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:17.279
were very driven by the mind, right by the cognition

533
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.680
to prove. And even the name of your podcast is Skeptic,

534
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:27.640
you know, was Skeptic Metaphysicians, So it sounds like there

535
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.519
was like a heavy kind of this mind, you know,

536
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:35.880
seeking for answers and anything else that kind of like

537
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.119
stood out in your journey. And what else did you

538
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.960
find in terms of like key truths for you?

539
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.440
That's a great question. I the show is the Skeptic

540
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:56.680
Musicians because my father was a big UFO guy. He

541
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:58.599
sat me in front of an old TV show called

542
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:00.759
In Search of Back in the day. Used to watch it.

543
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.720
You talked about UFO in the Bermuda Triangle and ghosts

544
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:05.960
and all that kinds of stuff, and so I was

545
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.880
indoctrinated into all that stuff very early age. So I

546
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:13.559
was very fascinated by and the thought of all that

547
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:18.400
being real is incredible. I so badly want to believe

548
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:22.799
these things exist. But I was also raised up in

549
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.480
the New York area, and you know, there's a lot

550
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:27.519
of people who are out there to try to swindle

551
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:30.640
you on things. So you learn to be skeptical of

552
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:33.160
a lot of things. And so though I very badly

553
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:39.000
want to believe that these energies, that these modalities, psychics

554
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.000
and mediums and channelers and witches and all these kinds

555
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.200
of things, I want to believe that they're real life

556
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:48.119
after death near death experiences. I really want to believe

557
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:51.079
they're real. But I just can't believe that they're real

558
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.880
without some sort of proof that they're real.

559
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:55.880
What isn't it ironic that it's so easy to believe

560
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.079
that they're not without proof that they're not real. Yes, absolutely,

561
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:01.960
that's one of the differences between us.

562
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.599
But that's that's the programming, right The programming is when

563
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:07.799
we're when we're born, we are very open to these

564
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.960
kinds of things. We had personal experience with someone very

565
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.240
young saying hey, where's my brother or things like that.

566
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:21.799
Who remembering past lives? And University Virginia right now is

567
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:27.359
doing incredible research onto past lives with children, and they're

568
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.200
they're releasing all kinds of information that that pretty much

569
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.519
collaborates corroborates what people are talking about that this this

570
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:39.759
stuff is real or real to a sense. So I've

571
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.039
always needed that proof, and so that was what was

572
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:48.960
limiting me from getting that proof, because, uh, remember we

573
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.440
create on reality, and so if I'm saying, yeah, I

574
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.000
don't know if I believe this stuff, and my reality

575
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.079
is going to be one where it's going to be

576
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.799
pretty nebulous, you're not gonna I'm not ever gonna truly know.

577
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.200
Well, it's like the internet, you know, you feel a

578
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.119
little sick and you can look in one thing's like, oh,

579
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:06.480
it's fine, and the other thing's going to be like,

580
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:08.880
oh you're gonna die. I mean life. The universe will

581
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.320
give you that too. You'll be like, oh, I don't

582
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.480
know if this is real, and one thing will show

583
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.719
you proof that this is absolutely real, on another side

584
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:18.199
will show you that it's not. So it's just it's

585
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:19.920
just how you choose to look at things.

586
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:26.199
Yeah. Yeah. And so over time during the show, I've

587
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:31.360
learned that my insistence on having proof is what was

588
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.599
limiting me from getting that proof. And when I allowed

589
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:39.559
myself to be open, I researched all the stuff, I

590
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.960
became a reiki practitioner, I joined the Coven of witches.

591
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:47.679
I done many past life regressions and things like that

592
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.920
to try to experience it, but it was always in

593
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:54.840
the from that mind of a skeptic, Whereas now I

594
00:34:54.880 --> 00:35:00.440
see it as what if the possibility is there? And

595
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:07.079
so I say, I'm skeptical, not cynical. So I walk

596
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:11.639
into the conversation with an open mind, but not so

597
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:14.440
open that I will believe anything that's thrown my way,

598
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.840
because there's a lot of people out there that may

599
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.840
not be exactly what they say they are. So that's

600
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:22.199
the thing. One of the things about our show is

601
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.320
that we bring two different perspectives. She comes in as

602
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.639
a complete believer.

603
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:30.119
So Karen is more open, it seems like more spiritual or.

604
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.920
Yes, yeah, she's always been bless that.

605
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.760
Kind of that filter. I'm like, I'm searching for.

606
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:42.800
The right Yeah, maybe more. I mean I just have

607
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:47.519
believed maybe longer. I remember in when I was young,

608
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:50.280
like maybe in my teens, having a dream than about

609
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.559
my Grandmam. Was in my twenties. My grandfather, who had

610
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.559
passed when I was five, was with me and I

611
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.159
was laying down and he was lifting blue like thin

612
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.440
blue veils off of my eyes and he's like I

613
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:03.559
want you to see, you know, So I've had different dreams.

614
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.440
I've had people that I know, and this has happened

615
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.159
a few times that were very ill, and they were

616
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.079
very passing, and at some point in the night I'll

617
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.639
hear this goodbye, honey, and They'll have passed. At that time.

618
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:14.639
It didn't seek you out.

619
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:16.079
It made me sad.

620
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.280
I mean, for fewes someone's talking was talking.

621
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:23.239
But I've had enough of those experiences and I've not

622
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.280
really thought to question them, because why would I, you know,

623
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:28.920
why would I try to prove that that's wrong, Because

624
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:30.960
that would make that would make things sad, and that

625
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:35.119
would make things harder. So I've just always just lived

626
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:35.880
in it.

627
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.599
Yeah, I think I think Karen's always She's always seen

628
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.280
life from from the lens of love, and so that

629
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:48.480
allows her to experience more of the hope, the joy,

630
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:52.079
in the mystery, the magic of life. Where I had

631
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.719
spent my life on the opposite side of things, where

632
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.079
it's been very pragmatic, it's been very physical, it's been

633
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:01.760
very allopathic. It's very shows me scientific in a way,

634
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:06.000
although not a scientist, And so bringing these two perspectives

635
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:10.440
together makes it interesting and the show is very relaxed,

636
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:14.519
very in engaging. We laugh a lot. I think we

637
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:23.000
probably spent too much time laughing on the show. Good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

638
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:24.679
So we have we have fun with it. We have

639
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:29.239
fun with the topics. We learn a ton, and we've.

640
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.119
Learned a lot. We have learned and we have learned

641
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:32.519
to believe in things that we thought there was no

642
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.280
even I have like there's no way, and you're like, huh.

643
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.639
By the end of the interview, Wow, that actually could

644
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:39.280
be possible.

645
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.760
Well, at the same time, holding the line that says,

646
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.960
you don't have to believe this. If it doesn't resonate

647
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.400
with you, then it doesn't resonate with you. That's perfectly okay.

648
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:51.320
You can move on to the next episode. Maybe that

649
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.800
one will be better for you. And that's that's the

650
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:58.920
that's the guiding light for us. It's it's we're not

651
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.559
gonna not everything is going to feel right to us.

652
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.480
But the whole point of it is, let's explore all

653
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:06.000
of it.

654
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.639
It's like a library. Now you have all of these

655
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.880
books available. You pick out one, you start to read it, it

656
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:12.719
doesn't interest you that much, put it back, pick out

657
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:14.320
another one. Just as long as you're reading.

658
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:22.320
And do you feel like you have now transmuted a

659
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:26.280
little more from the seeker to an actual like your

660
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.599
own knowing or nosis and experience, or do you feel

661
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.159
like you're still kind of in a heavy seeking mode.

662
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.880
I'm a terrible teacher. I will be the first to

663
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.719
admit that. So I think I'm always going to be

664
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:43.760
a seeker. I think at this stage, however, when I

665
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:47.079
started the path as a seeker on my own, now

666
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.280
I'm a seeker leading a group of people who are

667
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.800
all seeking together, and so we're learning together. I think

668
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.039
that's really how I see myself.

669
00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:00.199
That's beautiful. How about you, Karen, anything.

670
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:05.880
I think the same. I think I have had were

671
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.519
talking about dreams earlier a few minutes ago, and I've

672
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.679
had some dreams that have impacted me a lot. And

673
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:13.480
I had one I used to have. It was the same,

674
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:16.840
a regular dream, slightly different, but the same kind of

675
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:18.920
theme over and over again, and it was that I

676
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.440
was leading people to the horizon. And in one of

677
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:27.480
these dreams, I was a tall I was an African

678
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:29.480
American woman with the head wrap and everything, and I

679
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.199
was sitting in front of this glistening blue wall with

680
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.119
people sitting and we were talking and it was more

681
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.159
it was a conversation where I feel like I was

682
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.320
like a wise woman or something unknown. That's obviously changed,

683
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:45.280
but I think that is part of our path is

684
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:49.440
to help people find their path. And maybe it's not

685
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:51.559
so much as teaching them this path or this path,

686
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.840
but it's teaching them how to look for it, what

687
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.920
to recognize, or to what to question. And I think

688
00:39:57.960 --> 00:39:58.719
that's what we're doing.

689
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.159
So if somebody is looking and seeking how to look

690
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.599
for it, which would you point out?

691
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.880
I would start to say, forget everything you've been taught,

692
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.760
you know, just because when someone teaches you something, they're

693
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.079
giving you even if they're not trying to, but they're

694
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:20.719
kind of giving you their experience of what this information

695
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:24.440
or what this story is. So it's hard, but it's

696
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.559
going to be tainted a little bit, not tainted, what's

697
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.199
the right word, colored, a little bit to their perspective.

698
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:37.000
So relying learning how to really look at your or

699
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:40.440
recognize your own perspective or your own views or your

700
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:42.400
own thoughts on something. It can be really hard to

701
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.079
do because there have been times where it is he's

702
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.880
my husband, and we have this bond and we're together

703
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.960
but something he says, I just I just don't agree

704
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:52.920
with it. But you also don't want to put that

705
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.199
barrier or be like you're over here and I'm over here.

706
00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:59.039
But it doesn't have to be that way. You know

707
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.000
you can. You can hold that space for someone else

708
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:02.800
and hold that space for yourself. And so many of

709
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.079
us don't. We are so ready to give up our

710
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.079
own thoughts and ourselfs and our own space to do

711
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.159
what we think is right, or to please someone or

712
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.639
to be part of the collective. But what we're saying

713
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.239
here is you can give all that up and still

714
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:20.440
be part of the collective, because I think it'll be

715
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.760
stronger if everyone is truly who they are, who their

716
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.440
soul is, than trying to fit into a form that's

717
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:26.960
not really them.

718
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.039
I think you would say, yeah, that you're not going

719
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.719
to be an outcast big if you hold on to

720
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:33.599
your sovereignty.

721
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:35.599
Yes, And I.

722
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:37.800
Think more and more people are waking up to that fact.

723
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.639
We talked to attorneys and doctors and very professional people

724
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:46.239
who twenty years ago would never have considered any of

725
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.760
this to be possible. But now it's more and more

726
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:52.159
people waking up, and that's what we.

727
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.840
Want to do with the new reality TV is we

728
00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.079
have on their you know, doctors, lawyers, computer programmers, we

729
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.000
would call the typical mainstream type of person and the

730
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:05.280
people that have walked away from that from their you know,

731
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:09.400
million dollar companies to practice in this space because they're

732
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:13.639
realizing the importance of it. And so many people in

733
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:16.679
their daily jobs or whatever they're they're getting these little

734
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:19.000
thoughts or these they're having these questions, but they're too

735
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.440
afraid to talk about it. And even though it's becoming

736
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:25.800
more open, it's still I always call it covert mainstream

737
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:29.079
because it is. It's mainstream. Everybody knows about it, but

738
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:30.840
they're still not quind of talking about it when it

739
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:33.480
comes to themselves, and we're trying to make it be

740
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:34.800
okay for them to do that.

741
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:42.280
And you talk a little bit about creation and you

742
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:47.519
said we are infinite beings off creation, and kind of

743
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.159
I love that from the perspective because I think too

744
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:57.559
much narrative and even what's going on. I mean, this

745
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:01.119
is a pretty dense planet and you know, everything to

746
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:05.119
survive and what's going on the wars like layoffs too.

747
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:11.920
You know, you can be hit from left, right and center. Here.

748
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:20.039
How would you say, you know, somebody is facing a diversity, right,

749
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:26.119
the real circumstances that you know, it's like you can

750
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.480
see in your soul like killing somebody or you know,

751
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.599
doing harmful things is not a good thing, you know,

752
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:36.360
and it's not supportive or loving to humanity? How how

753
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.679
do you regain that power and even that kind of

754
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:45.400
like even that mustard see the faith right that even

755
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:53.360
in the adverse situations, that you still have that creative power.

756
00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:00.920
That's the probably one of the most controversy parts of

757
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.880
what we do. There is a school of thought that

758
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.920
says that I just mentioned we create our own reality.

759
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:08.960
So that must mean that all the things that they're

760
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:13.440
experiencing we create ourselves. That is very controversial because who

761
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.800
would want to be a small baby who dies of

762
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:24.679
cancer for example, or something like that? Right? How abuse? Right? Right? Exactly? Uh,

763
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.239
this is a lot of times where Karen and I differ,

764
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:34.079
you know, thought processes. I believe that everything that happens

765
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:36.760
to us. Okay, let me let me back up even further.

766
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.639
I believe fundamentally we are all here's here we go?

767
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.480
Will It's going to get controversial, so please I apologize

768
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.400
limited time. I know I know, I'll go quickly. We

769
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.000
are I believe that we are all a part of

770
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:56.480
this infinite energy that people call God. We are like

771
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.559
a like rain drops from the storm cloud, if you

772
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.199
want to look at that way. We are each individual

773
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:06.199
drops of the same energy. And if this big storm

774
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:09.119
cloud is that creative force that created everything, created the

775
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.960
world and the sky and everything's going on, then we

776
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.119
ourselves have that same amount of power in that small

777
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:19.880
drop of water coming from the storm cloud. The reason

778
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.880
why these drops came onto the world is so that

779
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.000
the storm cloud can experience itself in its totality, the

780
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:29.000
experience of what a being a human being is. That's

781
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.280
why Karen says our bodies. Without our bodies, this gentleman

782
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.880
we interviewed desperately said it perfectly. Without our bodies, we

783
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.480
wouldn't be able to experience what being a human is.

784
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.239
If you don't have a body, Like look at Ai,

785
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:43.039
you can't say AI can never be a human being.

786
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.480
It doesn't have a body, can't experience it. So we're

787
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:47.920
here to experience everything that it is to be a

788
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:51.400
human being, good and bad. And we've all made the

789
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.840
decision that when we come down here, here's what we're

790
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:58.159
going to experience in order for us to then bring

791
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.719
back all this collective knowledge so we can truly know

792
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:06.880
ourselves in full. Everything that happens for one reason or

793
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.000
another is for our greater good? Is the thought mentality

794
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:12.920
behind this? And only when you are at a level

795
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.960
high enough where you could see the perspective, you see

796
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:18.800
back behind you all the things that happened to you.

797
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:21.960
Where did you end up? How did everything that happened

798
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:26.320
to you make you better overall at the end of life.

799
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.480
That is really a lot of times we experience things

800
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.639
that we say, this is terrible because it possibly be

801
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:35.280
good for me, and yet you look back on it

802
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.920
later on and you go, oh, yeah, that's why I'm

803
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:41.679
not going to pretend to be able to answer the

804
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:43.760
folks that are abused and things like that, what could

805
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:46.760
possibly happened for their own good? Only that person can

806
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.320
see that for themselves. I can only apply it to

807
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:53.400
my own life. The times when I thought my job

808
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:58.320
I was passed over for promotion four times, every time

809
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.920
I would say, oh, how is that possible? And I

810
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:04.719
look back, all those people that were promoted are no

811
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:09.480
longer the company. I still am right. So when something

812
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.719
bad happens to us, we feel as bad. If we're

813
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:14.880
patient enough to say it's for our own good. I

814
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.920
just don't understand it yet. Eventually you're going to look

815
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:21.360
back and go, oh, that's why it happened. That's why,

816
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.639
and the way to manage that when things are going bad,

817
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:28.079
I would say, focus on the small things. Focus on

818
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:31.159
the things that you are grateful for. Look at a flower,

819
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:34.800
look at the the child running in the water on

820
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:38.000
the beach. Look at the small things that bring you joy,

821
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:41.599
that show you the magic, the miracle of creation. And

822
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:44.519
that's going to make you change your perspective to the

823
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:48.760
point of I'm not everything in the universe. This that

824
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:51.119
I'm going through is not everything in the universe. Look

825
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.280
at everything else around here. Sorry for that long.

826
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:56.760
Answer, and thank you for bringing it back to your

827
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:01.480
personal experience. I really appreciate that. Yeah, Karen, did you

828
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:05.719
want to add anything? I think your perspective because you

829
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:06.960
said you guys differ.

830
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:09.719
Well, I don't think we differ. I think what you

831
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:13.320
explained we don't necessarily differ on. But like the one,

832
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.480
I guess, there's two main differences. I would say where

833
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:19.679
Will is more of a believer in soul contracts. You

834
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.119
know that you've come in to be this person, to

835
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:26.519
be this specific experience. I don't necessarily believe that. I

836
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:29.880
think maybe you know what you need to learn, but

837
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.480
I don't think you necessarily choose who are what you're

838
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:37.760
going to be, or your parents, because I think if

839
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:39.599
it's a surprise, it impacts you a little bit more.

840
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:41.639
I just I don't.

841
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:43.480
I just don't believe that's what we forget when we

842
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.679
come here. We forget that we made those choices, you

843
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:46.400
know whatever.

844
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:49.079
We differ in that. And I think the other main

845
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:51.239
difference is, you know, the talking about the oneness where

846
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:54.400
he's you know, we're all one, and I believe that

847
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:56.400
we are all it's more like a collective. We're all

848
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:58.920
part of a collective. Like back in the seventies, there's

849
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:02.960
this big project called Hands Across America where they literally

850
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.400
built a human chain holding hands from coast to coast,

851
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:08.400
and there were a couple stretches, you know, where they

852
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.760
couldn't but they would string like these big ropes and stuff,

853
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:13.440
and it is just this incredible project. And I kind

854
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:14.880
of feel like that's what we are. We're each one

855
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.239
of those people holding hands, you know, from coast to coast.

856
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.840
They're all over, but we're separate too, because you can

857
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:23.159
let go and you can take a little walk and

858
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:24.519
you can come back and you can still be part

859
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:27.119
of that chain, but your own, your own individual. I

860
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:31.400
think that's kind of another place where we differ. But

861
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.400
for the most part, I was gonna say, we come,

862
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:35.719
we learn, and we go back. I agree with that.

863
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:40.159
What didn't I ask that you would like to share?

864
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.400
And maybe people leave people with, especially people who usually

865
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.599
listen to this kind of content, who are seeking for something.

866
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.360
There's some sort of pain, right, some challenges that they're

867
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:56.199
going through. Kind of it is that diamond, but the

868
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:59.440
process of making a diamond is.

869
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.360
A lot of pressure, a lot of pressure.

870
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:03.880
Just the same that the pearls, right, pearls are made

871
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:10.760
from sand. Any anything that you would want to leave

872
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:11.320
us with.

873
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.119
I would say that people need to really understand understand

874
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:18.320
that you're so much stronger than you think you are.

875
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:20.400
I mean, think about all the stuff that you've gone

876
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:22.039
through in your life already and here we are, I

877
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:26.559
mean birth hoof, that's a toughie, you know, So knowing

878
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:29.440
that you have that strength and letting that kind of

879
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:32.480
sit with you. Then you can try, because it can

880
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.320
be very very hard when you're in that dark spot

881
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:38.000
to really notice other things and not focus on what's

882
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:41.480
turning off the light. But look for a little little moments.

883
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:44.239
And even it could be just someone says a kind

884
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.039
word to you, and maybe you're in the hospital bed

885
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:47.880
and the nurse comes in and she's like, oh, you know,

886
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:50.280
I hope you have a great day. Just take that

887
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.639
little moment and hold on to it and grow it,

888
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.599
feed it, nurture it, because those little moments strung together

889
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:57.239
are the things that are going to get you through

890
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.039
the really difficult times. And they're there, and it's so

891
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:03.239
hard sometimes to get out of that darkness and look,

892
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.679
but they're there, So please just just look and notice,

893
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:07.639
because it's all a bunch of little miracles and that

894
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:08.199
will help you.

895
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:13.239
And for me to piggyback off of that, I think that, yes,

896
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:16.400
it is all little miracles, and you're going to miss them.

897
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.280
You are missing them every single day by not choosing

898
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:25.679
to be present. And I say that from experience my

899
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:29.880
whole life. I've been walking around asleep. I don't notice

900
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.519
the bird's tripping when everyone's saying, oh my god, what

901
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.280
a noise. Oh yeah, I guess they are everything that

902
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:41.639
we found. The universe talks to us in very subtle ways,

903
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:43.280
and the only way that we're going to be able

904
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:46.320
to hear the universe is if we are paying attention.

905
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:50.119
And paying attention means being in the present moment, and

906
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:51.840
it's a very difficult thing to do in this world,

907
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.400
but it's so important because if we don't live in

908
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:57.960
the present moment as much as we can, we're going

909
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.920
to miss the whole reason we're here and nice to

910
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:06.199
experience our lives, good, bad, and indifferent. And when you

911
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:09.239
do open yourself up to the present moment, to the

912
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:12.480
miracle of the present moment, the universe and starts giving

913
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:17.760
you shows you more proof of what a miracle we

914
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:21.199
are living in. And unless you are open to see

915
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.599
those miracles, you're not ever going to be able to

916
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:24.199
experience them.

917
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:26.079
That's true because if you're not in the present, then

918
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:28.440
you're probably very likely going to be either in a

919
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.320
state of anxiety because you're worried about the future, or

920
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:33.960
in a state of regret because you're worried about the past. Well,

921
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:35.960
the past already happened in the future you can't control,

922
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:37.679
so being in the present.

923
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:41.079
Really is the whole cliche about it being a gift,

924
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:42.159
it is, it's a present.

925
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.039
It sounds like one of those things that's so easy

926
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:51.159
and trade or subtle over but somehow it still can

927
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:57.880
be the hardest thing to actualize an experience. And so

928
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:02.599
so a beautiful invitation is through that present moment is

929
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:10.079
where you can activate that creation power. Exactly exactly, Yeah, yeah,

930
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:12.559
very differently much for being here. And how can people

931
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.360
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932
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.639
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933
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:20.519
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934
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:24.239
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935
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943
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.440
There's a place for those that would like to help

944
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.360
support the mission. They certainly can, but the content to

945
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watch the content, it's all free. You don't, We're not

946
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charged for that's not subscription or anything like that.

947
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.400
Thank you so much for being here and for what

948
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you do.

949
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Thank you so much for having us. It's a pleasure.