She Didn't Believe in the Afterlife...Then Her Dead Son Called Her on the Phone

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Hey there, it's Will before we get started.

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Wanted to give you a heads up, this episode deals with topics that might be triggering

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to some folks, especially in including suicide.

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So if you or someone you know is having a difficult time, there is free support available

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for you.

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You can check out the show notes for all those resources.

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Now what would convince a diehard atheist that her dead son was still around?

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For most people, probably a lot.

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For today's guest, it started with a phone call.

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His voice, her phone, a 12 digit number that led to nowhere, and that was just the beginning.

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Today, an internal medicine physician who spent 30 years trusting only what she could prove

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sits down with us to talk about what changed, what she's built since, and what her son,

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who has been gone for 13 years, is apparently still up to.

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This one's gonna surprise you.

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We're covering the afterlife, scalar energy, and yes, why Karen, who's not here now, saw

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a face appear on my laptop screen right in the middle of this interview.

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My name is Will, and I'm Karen.

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And unlike Mulder and Scully, we've embarked on a journey of discovery.

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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world.

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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.

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I even joined a covenant with you.

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And, wait, you joined a covenant?

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Yup, all in the interest of fighting something, that will prove that there's something

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beyond this physical, three-dimensional world we all live in.

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This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians.

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Welcome to the Skeptic Metaphysicians, a show where two people who started out questioning

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everything ended up with even bigger questions, and somehow turned out to be the whole point.

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Dr. Elisa Mehtu spent over 30 years as an internal medicine physician.

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Raised by militant atheists, her word, not mine, trained to trust only what she could measure.

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She believed as deeply as a person can believe anything that when you die, you're gone.

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Then her 20-year-old son, Eric, passed away.

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And something happened that her entire scientific framework had no category for.

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And then it happened again.

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And again, until the woman who once dismissed all of this as nonsense found herself at

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the center of one of the most remarkable afterlife communities on the internet.

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50,000 subscribers, two published books and a weekly live radio show.

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She didn't go looking for any of it.

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If anything, she ran the other direction.

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What chased her down is what we're here to talk about today.

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Dr. Mehtu, thank you so much for being on the Skepticment of Physicians today.

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It's an honor.

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The honor is definitely ours.

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Your story is a remarkable one, and I'm very excited to dive into it because as I was researching

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you for in preparation for the interview, this is such a deep story.

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There's no other way to say it.

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So I think I want to do something that we typically don't do on the show.

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We typically will dive into the topic right away, but I think telling your story from

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the beginning is going to prove to be a richer experience for everyone who's watching or listening.

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So let's start at the very beginning.

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Your background, your family life, was not really in the metaphysical spiritual space at all.

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Was it?

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No, hardly, not at all.

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So what was your family like?

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What was your family life like?

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I know that you were raised by materialists who...

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Oh, atheist, militant atheist.

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The first...

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I lost my son and the first words they said was, "I'm sorry, but he's going to turn to dust."

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That is how atheistic they were.

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So it really left me in like, what's going on?

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Where is my son?

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So it's been quite the struggle or it had been quite the struggle to figure out about

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life after death if it even existed at all.

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So I was a hardcore skeptic, so it was quite the struggle for me.

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So you were an internal medicine physician, you were raised by two atheists.

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What did you think happened when people died?

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I didn't think about it as well.

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You know, in that terrible, but I didn't even give it much thought.

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I was so busy raising five kids, tending to my husband and things like that that I just

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didn't take the time to think.

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And I'm kind of ashamed of that because most people do, but I did not until he died.

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Well, I mean, I totally understand that.

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I just have one kid and I barely have the time to think.

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So I can't imagine.

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You know what it's like, right?

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Yeah, you're always thinking about everything else and thinking in advance and doing...

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Is this done in this?

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And with five, oh my gosh, that's like a million channels going at the same time.

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Not to mention...

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True, Karen.

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True.

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Not to mention that one of your sons, the son that we were talking about here specifically,

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was a head to rats.

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Trees, bipolar.

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Right.

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So he had some challenges to begin with and then tragically, he took his own life.

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Well, first of all, we're very sorry.

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I know this is a very difficult topic to discuss, but it's at the crux of what the whole

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conversation revolves around.

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So you're right.

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Your son, Eric, sadly took his own life.

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And what...when he passed, what was that like for you, being a materialist or being...

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I think you called yourself an agnostic at a time, but now your son has passed.

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What went through your mind first and foremost?

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Well, I was pissed off that the world was still rotating on his axis.

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It was like, "Are you kidding me right now?

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I lost my son.

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How could that be?"

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So I was angry.

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I was also always confused because I'm a scientist.

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To me, things don't exist unless you can taste them, smell them.

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Proceed them with your five senses or measure it with an instrument.

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So that left me at a loss to where's Eric?

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Does he exist at all?

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Did you want to believe that some form of him existed or was it easier just to think the

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materialistic kind of you like he's just gone?

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That is a great question because I was not sure because what if I did believe and then I

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found there was a bunch of bull, then it would be like losing him all over again.

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So I was afraid to try to figure out if this existed or not, if life after death existed

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or not.

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And how long ago was this?

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13 years.

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Wow.

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So a long time.

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But it's not.

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It was like yesterday.

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Yeah.

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But a lot has happened in the 13 years.

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So how did you first dabble into the possibility that Eric was still around?

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Another great question.

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Well first of all, I did a lot of research.

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I looked at quantum physics, read about the information about the scientific evidence

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of parallel universe.

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I mean, dimensions, then I started looking at controlled studies about mediums.

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And you know, a lot of times us parents, we like the last thing we do is like, well, let

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me talk to a medium, see if I can get in touch with my son.

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And that's what I eventually did.

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And the first results were amazing.

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I mean, this lady knew my credit card number and my name, that's it.

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But yet she knew him.

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Now he killed himself with what gun he used and that the fact that he cursed like a sailor

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and it's like, wow, but to me, I always thought that mediums were like chips, you know, hunched

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over a crystal ball.

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I did not really, I really did not think much of them.

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I'm now ashamed to say that.

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Well, it's only natural, right?

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That's in our world, especially in the materialistic worlds.

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I mean, there's a lot of stories about people who take advantage of others in their

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life.

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And the time of most needs.

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So it makes perfect sense for that particular thought process to be behind, especially if you

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not.

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Yeah, true.

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So the important thing is that you learned otherwise.

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And now there's a whole world that we're going to dive into here.

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Crazy world.

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Did you, but did you believe it right away when you spoke with this medium?

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Oh, not.

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What was it that like a bit?

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Oh, okay.

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I did a little bit.

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But then all of a sudden we have all this paranormal experiences with Eric like he would make

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or he, I didn't know who was doing it, but our down draft event in our kitchen would go

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up and down every time my husband came in from the garage, like, hello.

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And blenders would be unplugged, but turn on faucets turn on.

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He called me on the telephone.

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Hi, mom, it's me, Eric.

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It's me.

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And then I tried to call back and there was a 12 digit number that led to nowhere.

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So you heard his voice on the phone?

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I heard it.

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And then during several, I was on several radio shows and Eric would talk through a medium.

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And he would also leave EVPs, electronic voice phenomena that I did not believe it, but

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I had, you know, somebody who was an expert, you know, analyze it.

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And yeah, these are not human voices.

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This is like crazy.

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There's no micro, there's no voice signatures, there's no micro, whatever I can't remember

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what they called it.

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But yeah, it's yeah.

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And I thank you for saying you sent me a document with all the links to those EVPs.

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And I listened to it and it was pretty incredible.

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We're not going to air them here.

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Well, no, but I'm saying generalizing, you know, that just must have been reassuring

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that I have people listening to this.

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Because otherwise without that stuff happening, I mean, how would you not think you're just

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losing your mind with the grief and with the idea for a while?

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Trust me.

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I did.

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But still I would believe, but then that would fade and I would not believe until I heard

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his voice on one particular recording.

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And I know my kids voice.

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That was him.

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Was it breakfast?

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And that I did get analyzed.

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It's one of the ones I got analyzed.

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And that's where they said it's not a human voice.

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So it was three and a half years after his death that I finally believed.

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Now the first time I sort of started to believe was my militant atheist father.

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Yes, this is a great story.

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Yeah, right three days after his Eric's death called me and said, Alisa, I was sitting

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reading my Wall Street Journal and all of a sudden there's Eric standing in front of

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me.

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And then he changed into his little boy self, curled up in my lap and said things come in

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three.

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In Spanish, my father's in Spain.

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And he says, I don't know what to believe.

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I'm panicking here.

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And this is not a guy who would say that to make me feel better.

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He was a militant in your words.

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Me, man.

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Very mean man.

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A militant atheist who believed in nothing who thought your son was just dust after

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the past called you and says, I saw him.

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He turned into a young boy and crawled into my lap.

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Yeah.

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What?

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What went through your mind?

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Well, I thought that's it.

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He is alive still.

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That's a first instance that I thought, well, he's probably alive.

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Well, I'm glad you I mean some, some form.

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I'm glad you thought that and not my dad's lost his morals because that's probably where

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I would have gone first.

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Yeah.

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Well, I'm bringing you home.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's true.

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I probably shouldn't.

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But then since then, you've had a lot more interactions with Eric in a lot of ways.

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And so now that do you have any doubts anymore that Eric is still around you?

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No.

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I don't.

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I mean, I remember going to bed, laying my almost about to lay my head on the pillow and

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there's Eric jumping from one side of my foot of the bed to the next and my deceased younger

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sister Denise was on the left hand side looking at him like you're crazy because he was jumping

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like a bunny rabbit.

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And I kept on looking like a tennis match on back and forth back and forth, but it's going

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on Eric.

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And then he looked at me and it peered shocked and he said, Mom, you see me jumped into my

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arms and held me and I felt him solid.

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It was crazy.

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And you're talking about a former, an agnostic somebody who's really struggled to believe

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any of this.

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Wow.

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How long, like how long did you get to hold him?

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Was it just like a second or was it?

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That's probably, I'm going to say three seconds, which was a journey, but it was not long enough.

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Of course not.

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Definitely not long enough.

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Wow.

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So as you started to see him, I mean, I'm guessing, I mean, did you, were you able to communicate,

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like ask him questions or is it just he kind of pops in and pops out?

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Good question.

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I don't channel.

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I mean, I kind of do, but not like a professional medium would.

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But I would talk to him and see him from time to time, sitting in a chair, etc.

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But some of my own kids can see him better than I can.

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They see him sitting on the couch or the game room or etc.

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So I'm a slow learner, man.

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This is so hard for me to wrap my head around because like you, I'm a very pragmatic kind

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of person.

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And so conversations like this, well, we've had them for over five years doing the show

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now.

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It shouldn't surprise me.

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It shouldn't shock me that these, these stories are coming out all more and more of these

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days.

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But I can't imagine seeing my dead child in the house somewhere or others seeing him as

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if they were still there.

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Does that, I mean, does that still cause you some sort of pain when you see him knowing

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that he's.

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Oh, I love it.

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I love it.

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And seeing him when he actually died because I was a first to find him was not pleasant at

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all.

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So it took a lot to get over that.

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But I am fine.

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Has he talked to you about why he did it?

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Apparently it was a spiritual contract that he was opposed to be on earth and learn very

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difficult lessons in order to learn how to be a better guide when he went into spirit

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and became a spirit guide.

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But yeah, that's apparently what that's the story he told me anyway.

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Right.

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And now would you is he or having to ask this question?

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Would you say he's your spirit guide now?

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Well, I've learned a lot from him.

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So I'll have to say yes.

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I haven't asked him yet.

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But yeah, I have learned so much from more than I could ever have taught him.

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I've learned so much from him.

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Wow.

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Now when you interact with him now, when he was with us, he was bipolar.

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He suffered from Tourette's.

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So he was a type of person.

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Right.

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He had a personality.

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Is he the same personality now that he's passed as he was when he was alive?

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Yes.

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Except without the darkness of bipolar disease and depression, without that, he was always

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like a rascal, a sailor cursing, but mischievous, just funny, a funny guy, a prankster.

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But you know, not only that, he didn't only visit us.

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He visited people in the blog all over the world.

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It's crazy how many people have contacted me saying, I just saw your son.

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And he did this and he said this, etc.

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So it's just not just me and my family.

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He's become sort of a global phenomenon so much so that we're doing some filmmaker is

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now doing a documentary on the whole story.

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Wow.

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It's crazy.

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It's going to come out very soon.

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Wow.

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Now when you mentioned the blog just so that the audience isn't confused, you're talking

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about the blog called Chaneling Eric.

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And that's something that you created and now has over 50,000 subscribers.

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You have two published books in a weekly live video show where mediums channel Eric and

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take audience calls.

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So this has become something really intrinsic part of who you are in your life as you go.

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But you go, you've taken it a step further because even though you were an internal medicine

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before and you walked away from that, you're still helping people heal just a little

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bit differently these days.

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I'm trying to heal you a little bit, I would say.

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They very differently.

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Have you known, I guess there's probably no way to know, but maybe you know.

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So he's he's popping in all over the world and different people are having these experiences

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with him.

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Is there anything that you might have seen even between one or two of them that something

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in common like the, I'm just wondering is is he's specifically going to people that have

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this situation or that situation that need his type of help I'm wondering?

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Well, there's so many different things that he's done.

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For example, one lady was having trouble deciding what she wouldn't do for living and

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he made the screen, her computer screen changed to a bunch of pencils floating around and

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she was to be a writer.

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He went to one guy just randomly in Ireland and said, I bet I could tell you how far away

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your girlfriend is from you.

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She was in Canada at the time.

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So he said, okay, he was kind of freaked out because he never saw a ghost before.

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And he gave the guy the exact number of kilometers.

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It was on the mark.

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So he got in trouble for that apparently.

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You're not supposed to do that kind of stuff like tease people with that.

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So.

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I didn't know there were rules.

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I know.

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There's so much.

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No, this should not be in heaven.

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This should not not be in your rule.

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Right.

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So I just want to put it out there, Eric, if you hear this and want to make yourself known

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here, we would love it.

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Not now, but at any point in time, you want to come say hello, we would welcome you.

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Just putting it out there, just in case.

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Maybe leaving a EVP.

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That's possible.

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One lady called me after a show and I was a guest and she said, Alisa, I heard something

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that we did not hear live.

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It's freaking me out.

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So I said, okay, sit me the timeline.

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And I was not quite believing everything at that point.

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And I hear this, the medium saying, not saying anything yet.

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He said minions really loudly.

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And then the medium said, started laughing and said, he's calling the minions.

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So.

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But you didn't hear him say minions.

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No, we didn't hear at the time.

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A lot of these EVPs are on radio shows.

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They don't hear at the time.

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They only hear in post-production.

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Right.

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And then that's one of the clips you sent me and I heard it and it is very loud.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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It is very loud.

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Yeah.

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And I wish we could just share those EVPs on the show, but they belong to other shows.

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We don't have the rights to do so.

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Yeah.

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But it really is sounding.

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So.

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Yeah.

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So you mentioned a specific word.

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You said that he's in heaven.

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Have you asked him or been he has he communicated with you if there's a heaven or what it's

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just like out there?

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Yes.

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That's probably the first question.

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Yeah.

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No.

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You know, because I didn't believe that I wasn't sure whether there was an afterlife or what.

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But yes, there is one.

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And he wrote a book that was channeled by Jamie Butler that describes everything from

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the moment of death crossing over, visiting the funeral, etc.

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And then talking about the afterlife, even what the bark on the trees are like.

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Or when insects die, it's crazy that the spirits get their lawn chairs out or whatever.

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And they sit around this portal and all these insects are just flying through after they die,

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like fireworks, you know.

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So it's just amazing.

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The colors are completely different.

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The kind of music.

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They have buildings that are actually made of spirits.

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So it's different than I could ever imagine.

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Can I ask you what the name of that book is?

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Because I am going to Amazon.

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No, no, no, I'll send you it.

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It's called My Life After Death and Memor from Heaven.

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It's really good.

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I'm not bragging because I did not write it.

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Right.

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Right.

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I just typed it out the channel.

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But if you read the Amazon reviews, a lot of people say it's not only the best book in

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the genre, it's the best book I've ever read.

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It's like a page churn.

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I cannot.

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I can't wait.

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I literally can't wait.

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I am so excited.

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That sounds incredible.

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But remind me, I'll send you one.

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Thank you.

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That's very kind.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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I'm.

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You can have to fight me for it.

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I stay up later than you'll just snag it while you're sleeping.

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So to bring the story kind of full circle or advanced it to where it needs to go now, you

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not only interact with your son, others have interacted with him.

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You've created this blog, which by the way, I should mention you do not make any money off

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of what you're doing here.

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No.

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I do not make any money off of my own child's death.

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No.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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It's a big thing to call out because people might be like, well, sure the story.

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She's trying to make money off it.

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But you're not.

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You're made a very specific point of not making money on it so that there is no question

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mark about the look.

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You have a very lucrative career as a physician.

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So that's right.

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That's right.

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But you left your career as a physician and entered into a partnership with your son

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who has passed on.

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I like that.

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So here's where the story gets super interesting because not only are you interacting with him

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as is the family, but now you also have established a company that helps people.

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On the health side of things with the help of your deceased son.

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Yeah.

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That's remarkable.

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How does that work?

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Yeah.

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Tell us what you're doing with Eric.

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Well, I have a company called Atlanta Scaler and actually started because my eldest daughter's

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father-in-law, and now she had two types of terminal cancer.

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Kidney and some Lyposarcoma.

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I was devastated.

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We were all devastated, of course, but he's just a big old teddy bear.

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He's a wonderful man.

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I did not want him to die.

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I did a lot of research trying to find because he was not responding to conventional therapy.

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That's a whole other story.

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I wanted him to live longer.

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I discovered Scaler energy.

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It's not on the electromagnetic spectrum.

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It's apart from that.

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It is helical energy that carries information and travels infinite distances without degradation.

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So you can put information like unravel the DNA in all cancer cells.

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You can put that out there and have it go to the actual person's energy and make that

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change.

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So I first did it on him and other family members for different things before I started on the

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general public.

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And he lived, he lived like 12 years after that.

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Wow.

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So I want to dive a little bit more into that in a second.

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But first, the Scaler energy, can you talk to us about the mechanism?

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You mentioned you could program some information into the energy that goes out.

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How do you do that?

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How do you program that energy?

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Good question.

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I have a Scaler transmitter and a receiver.

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And I sit in that area and I have different hercamer diamonds and stuff that will augment that.

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And certain tones I use to augment the traveling of these information in the waves.

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And it just seems to work.

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It goes to the person's energy and changes it.

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Because everything's energy, even on a sign would call a matter frozen light.

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And I've heard you talk about the fact that you say conventional medicine is missing the

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biofield layer, which is where Scaler is working there.

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So where does the biofield add something that frameworks like psychonural immunology,

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placebo, fags, things like that, don't cover already.

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How does it work?

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I think that most disciplines don't understand that everything is energy, that we are energy,

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that we are emotions, that are basic framework is emotion, emotions of energy.

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And emotions get trapped and unprocessed and all sorts of things that can lead to disease,

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mental, physical disease.

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So I think that's, you know, by the way, what does it mean?

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Empty Anderson just opened up recently an energy medicine department.

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So that's got to cool.

494
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Wow.

495
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You hear more and more about these types of things.

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It's becoming more mainstream, absolutely.

497
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So how's Eric helping you with that?

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That's the next question.

499
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:42,400
Well, he helps me to determine the frequencies, because the frequency set is different for

500
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,080
each person and each condition.

501
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:52,080
So he might let me know, and this is where I use dowsing rods to help me answer, because

502
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:59,320
when I use dowsing rods, he taps them if I'm on the right frequency, and he taps them

503
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,560
together when I'm done with that frequency ready to go to the next one.

504
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:10,560
So he might ask me to start at 1.0 megahertz and then go to 1.2, etc.

505
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,560
So that's how he helps me.

506
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,560
That's all.

507
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,560
Plus, I like his company.

508
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,560
Of course.

509
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,400
I've got to call something out here, because you're saying things very flippantly as if,

510
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,800
"Yeah, it's normal every day kind of things."

511
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:30,320
But this is an agnostic from a militant atheistic family who was in the medical field who

512
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,680
is now using dowsing rods.

513
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,680
I know.

514
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,680
It's crazy.

515
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:42,480
It is quite crazy in a sense that you have come a long way.

516
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:48,000
It's only been, I know, 13 years is a long time, but like you mentioned, it also feels like

517
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,080
it was just yesterday, but you've changed very quickly.

518
00:27:53,080 --> 00:28:00,280
So these things that you are experiencing, they have altered so much in your life.

519
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,880
Can you imagine this 20 years ago?

520
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:04,880
Oh, no.

521
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,880
I was crazy.

522
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,880
A crazy person.

523
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:15,000
I remember my younger sister said her best friend was a raky master.

524
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000
I go, "Okay, sure.

525
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,080
Okay, whatever."

526
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,120
So, and I'm embarrassed about that.

527
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:25,640
I really am, but I have come a long way and I know that there's going to be eventually a

528
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,880
complete bridging between spirituality and metaphysics, physics, etc.

529
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,480
And everything is physics.

530
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,480
Everything.

531
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,760
Everything is math.

532
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,160
It's a universal language in the universe.

533
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,840
So we'll get there.

534
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:48,360
There should be a 12-step program for skeptics who become believers.

535
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,720
When she says she's embarrassed about looking down at raky masters, there should be 12 steps

536
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,120
and you can go back and go, "I agree."

537
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,120
I'm going to start up for that one.

538
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,440
So how has your family reacted to all of this?

539
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,440
Oh, they're on board.

540
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Are they really?

541
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,760
They were more than I was.

542
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,760
More than I was.

543
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:17,640
I mean, because my younger daughter, Anika, she saw Eric and the pastor you see to the car

544
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,840
before I ever saw him.

545
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,680
And my housekeeper, Maria, she saw Eric sitting in the chair and the din.

546
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,160
I mean, they've all had experiences well before I did.

547
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,360
And there's a reason for that.

548
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:36,480
Because when you grieve deeply, your whole vibrational frequency goes way down.

549
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,720
Here's the electromagnetic spectrum.

550
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,600
You have radio waves, cosmic rays, etc.

551
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,080
But then you have this tiny part called the visible range.

552
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,640
And in that visible range, that's where our 3D world lies.

553
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:50,640
That's us.

554
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,480
See, it's all physics.

555
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,440
And when you're really down, then you're depressed.

556
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,800
Your energy is way low.

557
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:06,000
And so you can't see spirit because the spirits vibrated much higher frequency.

558
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:14,520
And then when you feel high and higher than a kite, etc., then you tend to see spirit more

559
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,520
easily.

560
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,160
So it took me a while because I was so down after I had to accept that it took me a while

561
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,160
to...

562
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,160
Sure.

563
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,160
See?

564
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,160
Yeah.

565
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,160
It makes sense.

566
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,840
Vibrational frequencies of grief is very low.

567
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:33,120
So when you see him, do you also feel his energy?

568
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,120
I get it.

569
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,120
I would imagine his energy is high.

570
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,120
I would say just better.

571
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,760
I'm going to be honest with you.

572
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,840
A lot of people feel him a lot better than I do.

573
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,840
I don't...

574
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,640
I don't know why.

575
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,880
I'm just stuck as far as that's concerned.

576
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:54,160
But most people feel his energy really readily because he's such a character.

577
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:59,080
I mean, he is such a strong spirit.

578
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:05,120
But I'm not sure if I'm just confusing the fact that I know what that boy is like in general

579
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,120
terms.

580
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,760
And, you know, but people can feel his energy is very special.

581
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,440
All the mediums, people in the blog, etc.

582
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,440
I wish I did.

583
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:23,080
But, if you're there though, if being his mother, when you're connecting with him, your energies

584
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,440
in those moments match, and maybe you don't feel a difference.

585
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,440
Oh.

586
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,440
I like that.

587
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,440
You'll get it.

588
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,440
Dr., you get a bit...

589
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,440
I like that.

590
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,440
You get our Bill later.

591
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,440
All right.

592
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,440
I will pay it gladly.

593
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Is this a doc?

594
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,160
Is there anything now that you are fully immersed in this world?

595
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,160
Right.

596
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,720
There's a lot of things in this world.

597
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,040
You were talking, "Dowsing rods," and now you're talking to mediums, and you mentioned that

598
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,040
we're channeling.

599
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,920
And is there anything in this metaphysical space that now you still think is a bunch of

600
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,440
hooi, or are you full in on everything?

601
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,680
Well, I don't know everything, obviously.

602
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,720
So I don't know what the poopoo off and what not to.

603
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,640
But yeah, I believe in most of it.

604
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:19,280
And I think there are some hoaxes out there, some quacks out there, and maybe some people

605
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,480
have called me that.

606
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,640
I'm not sure, but probably.

607
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,640
But yeah, no, I'm all in.

608
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,640
I really am.

609
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,640
Mm-hmm.

610
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,960
And I think the difference may be between you and the quacks for anybody who's listening.

611
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,760
She's doing this for free.

612
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,640
She's not trying to make money.

613
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,640
So people doing the hoaxes are the one that are trying to get something from you.

614
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:42,960
Yeah, I know I couldn't dare.

615
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,960
I couldn't possibly.

616
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,640
Yeah, I mean, you know what better to do get something out of it, obviously.

617
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,640
Well, yeah.

618
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Because it makes it to where my son's life is not a tragic waste when we help other people.

619
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,680
So that's the money button right there.

620
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,640
So I get to help people that make his life not a tragic waste.

621
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:15,800
And his life now is not limited by public disorder or Tourette.

622
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:22,760
So now he has the ability to go globally and do so much more than he would have been able

623
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:23,760
to do here.

624
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,760
Yeah.

625
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,760
That's true.

626
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,760
That's true.

627
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:33,760
We've mentioned that Eric helps you to decide frequency sets.

628
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,760
I heard you say he channels prayer of intent scripts and things like that.

629
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:45,280
Has he ever asked him to send you a frequency set and he said no for some reason?

630
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,280
No.

631
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,000
He's never refused to authorize the service he wanted to offer to someone or push back

632
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,040
on something at all.

633
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,960
No, but I'm very careful about what to offer and what not to offer.

634
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,040
Is there certain things like can you please grow me a new tooth?

635
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,040
I can't do that.

636
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:06,600
I mean realistically speaking, it's not, this is not about miracles.

637
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,640
It's about making things better for people and that's it.

638
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,360
Well, let's talk about the scalar energy a little bit because I'm really curious about

639
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,520
how it can help folks.

640
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:20,440
I know that you mentioned in some of your passing reviews that there was a gentleman who

641
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,560
had fully blocked arteries.

642
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,560
It's a girl.

643
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,560
Oh, it's a girl.

644
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:31,920
Yeah, she had two myocardial scars from prior heart attacks and she had atherosclerosis.

645
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:38,120
Our arteries were many of them were blocked and we did the skitter work on her and the doctors

646
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:43,240
were freaked out because there were no more blocks and the myocardial scars were gone.

647
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:49,880
And we had teachers calling their parents saying, I don't think your kid has autism anymore.

648
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,800
So, now, caveat.

649
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,320
It doesn't work on everyone because if you have the mindset that it's not going to work

650
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,520
on me or this is too good to be true, it's not going to work.

651
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,120
So you have to believe for it to take a fact?

652
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,640
Yeah, because thought creates reality.

653
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,040
And the Schrodinger wave equation has to be collapsed.

654
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:21,600
In other words, a thought consciousness will change light waves into particles by collapsing

655
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,320
the Schrodinger wave equation.

656
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,520
And that means if you change a wave into particles, those particles with the instructions we

657
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:35,840
give to the scalar energy can be rearranged to create new realities.

658
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,400
So it's all physics.

659
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,400
Wow.

660
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:44,640
But then the skeptic in me has to go to the placebo effect.

661
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:50,040
Is it any potential that this is just like people who really want to believe of heal themselves?

662
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,040
I think of this part of it.

663
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,040
It was you.

664
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,800
And the placebo effect is also thought creating reality.

665
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,240
I know this is going to help me.

666
00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,240
It's not a placebo effect.

667
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,080
It's a law of attraction.

668
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,400
Same thing is law of attraction.

669
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,400
Right.

670
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,400
Right.

671
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,400
Yeah.

672
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,400
It's not a placebo.

673
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,400
It's happening.

674
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,400
Yeah.

675
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,400
Exactly.

676
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:16,080
So what other things have you seen miraculously help people with this type of energy?

677
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:22,440
No, I had to one of my mediums actually, her husband had stage 4 prostate cancer.

678
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,880
And I did the full body microbiome optimization.

679
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,680
I did not do the cancer service on him.

680
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:34,320
And he went to his doctor and they thought that they had another person's chart because

681
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,280
this cancer was totally gone.

682
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,280
Wow.

683
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,280
Wow.

684
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,120
Now can I cure all cancers?

685
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,120
No.

686
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,120
No, I cannot.

687
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,800
I wish I could.

688
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,200
But it's a two way street.

689
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,120
You have to believe it too.

690
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,120
That's the problem.

691
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,120
That's the rub.

692
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,120
That's the exact measurement.

693
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,120
The rub.

694
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,120
Exactly.

695
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,880
And I assume that that's probably the reason why mainstream science hasn't adopted it yet

696
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,440
because there's an element of magic there, of wishful thinking there that science is

697
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,560
just never getting it going to get behind.

698
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,560
Exactly.

699
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:13,320
So in your estimation as a scientist, as a doctor, what would need to happen for mainstream

700
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,040
science to finally get on board with scalar energy?

701
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:28,080
That's a tough one because you have to depend on the other, the patient's mindset.

702
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,080
That's the only, that's the only holdback.

703
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,960
But yeah, but it helps so many people.

704
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:33,960
4% so far.

705
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,560
The four, there's a 4% till you're rate.

706
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,560
And that's not bad.

707
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,560
4% failure.

708
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,560
Wow.

709
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,560
Oh, that was a little bit around.

710
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,560
Wow.

711
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,560
So I think, no.

712
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,960
That's the studies, creating the reports in the studies and eventually people will believe

713
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,160
like medicine because back in the day, take this little red pill, okay, what's that going

714
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,160
to do?

715
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,160
It's a little tiny thing.

716
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,920
But now we know that you can take a little red pill and you feel better.

717
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,800
So maybe it's just people getting used to it and seeing that, okay, this does work to make

718
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,800
them believe.

719
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,800
I think it's going to be a little thing.

720
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,560
Essentially, the little red pill.

721
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,400
If they finally believe, well, the rest of science has a consensus for it, so maybe it's

722
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,400
going to work.

723
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,400
It's going to work for me.

724
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,240
So yeah, that's a good point.

725
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:20,920
So we're throwing around words like frequency and resonance and things like that, biofield,

726
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,880
and they're using physics with very specific meanings.

727
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:31,160
When you use these words to describe Atlantis scalar, what it does, are you using them metaphorically

728
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,600
or do you believe there's a literal electromagnetic or quantum interaction happening here?

729
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,120
Oh, I think it's literal.

730
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,440
I really do.

731
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:45,880
Like all cells have a certain frequency, a healthy cell, 70 to 90 millivolts.

732
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:51,680
And when we're stressed, when we're diseased, then that thing, you know, that voltage drops

733
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:52,680
a lot.

734
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,680
It's scalar energy helps you bring that up.

735
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,680
Oh, yeah.

736
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,680
It changes everything.

737
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,680
Yeah.

738
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:09,600
Why do more people not know about scalar technology?

739
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,640
I think, well, big pharmaceuticals have big pharmaceuticals.

740
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,200
You know, I mean, they don't want us to get, they don't want us to, they want us to stay

741
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,520
ill, basically.

742
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,320
Although I'm not against pharmaceuticals, I've prescribed medication all the time, but in

743
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:30,680
general, they don't have our best edges at heart, really.

744
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,000
I mean, fully, fully.

745
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
I'm going to get in so much trouble.

746
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,800
I'm going to get in so much trouble here, but no, I mean, well, no, I agree.

747
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,800
I think that's limiting.

748
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,160
I think now, you know, you go to the doctor and it's about treating the symptoms instead

749
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,280
of finding out the root of the cause.

750
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,280
So that's not it.

751
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,280
It's all energy.

752
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,200
They don't, they don't tackle the energy of things that we are energy and our energy

753
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,240
is diseased, our energy is low, it's the wrong frequency, et cetera.

754
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:00,240
They only did that.

755
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,240
It's so simple.

756
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:04,080
You can use sound therapy, color therapy.

757
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:09,840
There's all sorts of ways to change the frequency of our energetic bodies.

758
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,080
And we're not doing any of that except for MD Anderson, yes.

759
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,080
Right.

760
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,080
Right.

761
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,800
So to your point, there's doctors for the physical, you know, you break a bone, you go to the,

762
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,360
well, you need those for sure.

763
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:30,280
But, but we are a three part being, right?

764
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,080
Body, mind and spirit.

765
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,520
And so we've got folks that focus on helping us fix our minds.

766
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,760
We have folks that help us fix our bodies, but we have, well, now we have you to help us

767
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,760
fix our spirit, right?

768
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,040
Our bio field.

769
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,920
That's a terrific service you're doing for the world.

770
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,680
So thank you for what you're doing.

771
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,920
Oh, it's just a sweet.

772
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:52,920
Thank you.

773
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,960
Well, I want to get back to Eric for a quick second because it just, it just occurred to

774
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,000
me if my daughter had passed.

775
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:08,280
And I still saw her on occasion here and there in spirit form.

776
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:16,920
But at night, when I went to bed, I probably still just have a longing, a missing, a pain.

777
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,240
Is that still existing inside you?

778
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:20,240
Oh, yeah.

779
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:27,840
Especially when I see videos of him, you know, I remember how huge and hilarious he was.

780
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,640
I mean, such an angelic kid.

781
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,720
I mean, I remember just steering him all the time.

782
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:38,200
I mean, he was just, he was really beautiful, a beautiful kid.

783
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,160
And I couldn't stop myself from just staring at him.

784
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,560
He looked back like, okay, what's going on?

785
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,760
Come sit in my lad.

786
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:46,760
No.

787
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,760
Yeah.

788
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:54,760
So you got, you have a business where multiple different mediums are available to channel

789
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,760
Eric.

790
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,240
Yeah.

791
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:01,520
People can book sessions and ask him, yes, for no questions for money.

792
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,520
But now here's the thing.

793
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,520
Not for me.

794
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,520
Not for you for that.

795
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,520
Not for me.

796
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,520
Right.

797
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,240
Eric was a 20 year old kid.

798
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,640
He had a difficult, painful life.

799
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:13,640
Right.

800
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:20,840
He is now.

801
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,160
He apparently chose become a spirit guide, which is a beautiful thing.

802
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,160
He's going to be available to millions of people in Eric that I mentioned.

803
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,160
I would love to see you.

804
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,680
So anytime you want to stop by, did anyone ask him if he wanted this job because you're his

805
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:31,680
mother, right?

806
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,680
Yeah.

807
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,440
And I'd love to know if you ever worried that you built something around him that he can't

808
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,600
exactly say no to.

809
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,840
He kind of pulled me into it.

810
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:47,160
I felt like I was being pulled by a doberman or leash.

811
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,160
I did not want to do it.

812
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:55,440
I was still so upset and sad, but no, he kept insisting.

813
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,760
So yeah, I was not a willing party for a long time.

814
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,440
As you can imagine.

815
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,520
I give you a lot of credit for being where you are right now.

816
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,600
I think I would still be a puddled mess in the corner somewhere.

817
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,600
I would too.

818
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,120
Sometimes him, but look, you don't know all my flaws.

819
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,480
You just talk to the rest of my family, I guess.

820
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,360
The plenty of them, guys.

821
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:25,760
Well, if you can get one idea, one practice or one concept from your current work adopted

822
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:34,280
by conventional medicine in the next 10 years, what is it and why hasn't it happened yet?

823
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:41,680
I would say that they have to realize that people are energy and energy can be manipulated.

824
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,680
Why it's not?

825
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,040
Because you can't see energy.

826
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,440
You can't even, it's very difficult even to measure with a machine or an instrument of

827
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,440
some sort.

828
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:56,480
It's hard to see it, to touch it, to smell it, to taste it.

829
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,480
All right.

830
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:03,480
Well, if we could patch an error right now and ask him what he wants, people take away

831
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,480
from this conversation.

832
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,480
What do you think he would say?

833
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,120
Well, that's a good question.

834
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,040
He said, "Dude, I'm going to visit you.

835
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,640
If you read my book, he will definitely visit you."

836
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:15,640
He does all the time.

837
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,440
I'm 100% sincere in saying I would love to see him.

838
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:27,040
I am 100% sincere in saying I am really excited to read this book because, for all the

839
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:32,240
intents and purposes, he just revealed what happens, the whole process of passing and

840
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:36,240
what happens immediately after, which is where we've been asking questions.

841
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,360
We've been asking for hundreds of years.

842
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,360
Yes.

843
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,360
Exactly.

844
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,360
That's just in my lifetime.

845
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,760
Well, I mean, it's so real.

846
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,640
When you read the book, you'll know it because it's going to be familiar with you to

847
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,640
you, really.

848
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,480
You're going to recognize it as something you've been through and been to.

849
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,480
Is there a way to change a picture of him in the book?

850
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,480
Oh, yeah.

851
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,640
Well, let me see.

852
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,400
There's him as a little kid.

853
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,120
I just saw a face.

854
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,720
But yeah, there's here.

855
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:11,720
Did you see a face like a printer?

856
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,320
That's why I was totally distracted.

857
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:19,160
Non-color, just some black and white, like kind of looking down, bangs, like whiteish, that

858
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,160
color hair.

859
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Okay, so I was totally distracted.

860
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:23,680
So I apologize.

861
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,680
But I'm like...

862
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,440
For those who are just listening and not watching the video, I have a laptop open here.

863
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,880
And that was what Karen happened to glance over and saw.

864
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,880
Yeah, like he was looking down.

865
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:34,880
And image.

866
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:35,880
It was the best of all, right?

867
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,040
With kind of like bangs and, you know, just kind of light a share.

868
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,680
I'm going to show you a picture of him and see, let me know if it's him.

869
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,680
Okay.

870
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:44,680
That's so cool.

871
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:45,680
And then he's quite powerful.

872
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:46,680
He really is.

873
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:53,760
And I think part of it is because not that he's powerful in himself, but because people

874
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,840
just seem to love him and that gives him so much energy, you know?

875
00:45:58,840 --> 00:45:59,840
I can't tell.

876
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,120
I'll put my glasses on to it.

877
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,120
That was...

878
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,880
Woo, I can check it out later.

879
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:04,880
Okay.

880
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,880
We can let her know.

881
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,880
Yeah, yeah.

882
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,880
Alright.

883
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:08,880
Well, that's pretty cool.

884
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,920
So Eric, you're supposed to show yourself to me.

885
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:11,920
Not to her.

886
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:12,920
This happens all the time.

887
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:13,920
Yes.

888
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:14,920
She gets to benefit.

889
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,080
And I do the asking and she gets to benefit.

890
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,080
No fair.

891
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,080
No fair.

892
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:26,440
Well, Dr. Medhuz, is there anything that you want to make sure that anyone watching right

893
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:31,600
now or listening, you want to make sure that they understand either about your relationship

894
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:37,120
with Eric or what happens on the other side or with Atlanta's scalar.

895
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,120
What would that be?

896
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:44,240
I would say not about Atlanta's scalar, but I would say don't be afraid to die.

897
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,240
I mean, live your life because it's human experience.

898
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:51,640
It's super important because the human experience is all about contrast.

899
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,640
You need to suffer a little bit in order to understand the opposite of it.

900
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,320
You need to feel cold in order to understand hot, etc.

901
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,280
So live your life, but don't be afraid of death.

902
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:15,280
And also, Eric would say that very often we think first, then that evokes an emotion and

903
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,800
that evokes a choice.

904
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,480
It should be the opposite.

905
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:24,120
We should feel first because we are emotional energy and then allow that to create a thought

906
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,520
and let that thought create a choice.

907
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,520
A decision.

908
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,520
So that's it.

909
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,520
Love it.

910
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,520
For now.

911
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,520
All right.

912
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,520
Well, if someone wanted to look at that was him.

913
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:37,520
That was him.

914
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,520
Sorry.

915
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,520
Yeah.

916
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,520
I just pulled up gently Eric.

917
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,520
Holy cow.

918
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,520
Really?

919
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:49,520
Eric.

920
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,520
Wow.

921
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:51,520
He's flirting with her.

922
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:52,520
I know.

923
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,520
He loves women so much.

924
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,520
He's flirting with you.

925
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,520
Oh, my God.

926
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,520
He's not flirting with you, Will.

927
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,520
You're like looking like kind of like a mischievous like a kind of like looking at.

928
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,520
Oh, yeah.

929
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,520
Oh, yeah.

930
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:01,520
Absolutely.

931
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,520
Well, that's incredible.

932
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,520
Oh, my God.

933
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:04,520
Wow.

934
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,520
That's amazing.

935
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,520
So you saw Eric.

936
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Eric, no fair.

937
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,520
No fair.

938
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,520
Not a boy.

939
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,520
All right.

940
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,520
Okay.

941
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,520
So I.

942
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,520
It's freaking me out.

943
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:14,520
Carat having a meltdown.

944
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:15,520
You're kidding, baby.

945
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,520
Yeah.

946
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,520
No, I'm good.

947
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,520
I'm good.

948
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:19,520
I mean, oh, yeah.

949
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,520
I'm good.

950
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:21,520
That's fantastic.

951
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,520
Yeah.

952
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:23,520
Yeah.

953
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,520
I'm not jealous at all.

954
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Someone wanted to experience this.

955
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,600
Wanted to connect with the blog.

956
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,000
What's the best way for someone to find you?

957
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Chillingeric.com.

958
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,000
Atlantis.

959
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,200
Scaleor.com.

960
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,560
My contact information is there to somewhere in either of those.

961
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,840
So yeah, that's it really.

962
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:45,840
Okay.

963
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:46,840
And then Atlantis.

964
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,840
Scaleor.

965
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:54,200
If someone is looking to experience it or they're battling a health challenge, this is

966
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,040
where they should go to is at Atlantis scaleor.com to experience it for themselves.

967
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,040
Yeah.

968
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,040
Yeah.

969
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,960
But I will say a caveat that people can heal themselves too.

970
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,160
You know, if they have the mindset to do it, then you can heal your own.

971
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:15,520
So if you have the power to heal from in disease yourself, so that's important to know.

972
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,840
People are more powerful than they think.

973
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,840
They really are.

974
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:24,840
Well, Dr. Metruz, my hat's off to you for what you're doing.

975
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:25,840
Yes.

976
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:26,840
And you?

977
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:32,480
Well, in light of the tragedy that you've experienced, the pain that you must still feel

978
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,880
on a daily basis.

979
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:34,880
Yeah.

980
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,360
What you're doing with Eric is a wonder and amazing.

981
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:44,760
And thank you so much for coming and sharing your story and sharing Eric with us in our audience.

982
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:51,920
And I really hope that you and Eric are able to find peace very soon.

983
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:52,920
Yeah.

984
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,920
I hope so too.

985
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:54,920
We are.

986
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:55,920
Good.

987
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:56,920
All right.

988
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:57,920
Thanks for being on the show.

989
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:58,920
Thank you, Will.

990
00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:59,920
Thank you, Karen.

991
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:05,520
Dr. Alisa Metruz started exactly where most of us start.

992
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:11,280
Convinced that reality is only what you can see, touch, measure, prove, and the worst thing

993
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,680
that can happen to a parent happened to her.

994
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,600
But instead of reaching for the comfort of certainty in either direction, she did something

995
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,880
way harder.

996
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,160
She stayed curious.

997
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,640
She followed the evidence and it took her somewhere.

998
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,040
Her med school professors would have laughed at.

999
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,920
But she didn't care because her son was on the other side of it.

1000
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:35,920
She said something today.

1001
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,520
I don't want you to miss.

1002
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:39,520
Feel first.

1003
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,000
Don't think your way into your life.

1004
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,000
Feel your way in.

1005
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,280
Let the emotion arrive before the logic does.

1006
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,280
And then let that be the thing that moved you forward.

1007
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,080
We don't know everything that's waiting on the other side.

1008
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,760
Will Lisa will tell you that neither does she.

1009
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:58,760
Not fully.

1010
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:04,800
But what she does know, when Eric has shown her and shown thousands of people around the

1011
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,920
world, is that the love doesn't stop.

1012
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,120
It just changes form.

1013
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:16,520
And if that's true, and the only real question worth sitting with today is this, are you making

1014
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the most of the version of it that you've got right now?

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We hope today planned something for you.

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Before we leave you, Dr. Metruz super generously offered to provide a digital copy of the book

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that Eric wrote, "My life after death, a memoir from heaven, to our listeners absolutely free."

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A digital copy of the book.

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For free.

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This is the book that we just talked about.

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That Eric explained in detail what it's like to cross over, to visit his own funeral,

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and even what it's like once we are on the other side.

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If you are as interested in finding out what happens to us when we die, this is the book

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that you have to read.

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I'm pretty sure this is probably going to be the closest thing that we'll ever get to

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actually, aside from actually crossing over, to learning the truth about what happens when

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we die.

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So if you're as interested, if you're as excited to read it as I am, all you need to do is

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go to scepticmedifosition.com/newsletter, join our community there, and we'll be sure to send

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you a free digital copy courtesy of Dr. Metruz.

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We'll add a link in the show notes as well, so you don't have to remember that.

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But it's easy, scepticmedifosition.com/newsletter, join that community there, and we'll be sure to

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get you a copy.

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And we'll see you on the next episode of the sceptic manifestations.

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then take really good care.

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