You're Still Paying for Fear. Here's How to Cancel the Subscription | Energy Healing & Intuition

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Karen, today we're talking about fear.

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Oh, now you're making me scared.

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Haha, I see what you're doing.

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Yeah.

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So our guest today says that fear is basically a subscription service.

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Oh, can I cancel it then?

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Well, we keep paying for it.

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No one makes us cancel.

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And her fix is not therapy.

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It's not a 10 step plan.

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It's actually two minutes of sitting there asking the universe for a sign or a message.

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And then actually doing what it says.

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What if you don't get a sign or a message?

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That's a good question.

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We're going to have to ask her.

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But you know, all that I just said sounds insane.

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When you think about it until you remember that most of us won't even act on the advice

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of you actually paid for.

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Haha, that's true.

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She's an emotion code practitioner.

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She's got a retreat literally called unplug from fear full time energy healer professional

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making the woo woo sound like homework you'll actually do.

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We're getting into it.

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I'm a skeptic man of musicians.

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My name is Will and I'm Karen and unlike Mulder and Scully, both want to believe so we've

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embarked on a journey of discovery.

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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world.

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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.

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I even joined a covenant with you.

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And wait, you joined a covenant?

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Yep, all the interest of fighting something that will prove that there's something beyond

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this physical three dimensional world we all live in.

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This is the skeptic metaphysicians.

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Hey there, I'm Will and I'm Karen.

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Welcome back to the skeptic metaphysicians to show that dares you to act on a hunch that

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you can't back up with a spreadsheet.

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Welcome to the show.

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Our guest today, Spencer, data convincing realtors, retreat groups and total strangers at

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the thing keeping them stuck is not circumstance.

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It's a subscription to fear that they forgot that they signed up for.

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And they had those monthly charges.

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She's built an entire practice around getting people to cancel it.

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And energy work retreats.

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She even named her own retreat unplug from fear, which tells you that she's not interested

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in easing you into anything.

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Now, if you've ever meditated for two minutes and you felt silly for it, well, she's

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about to make a case for why that silly feeling is the whole point.

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Her name is Mo Smith and she's a next guest on the skeptic metaphysicians.

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Mo, welcome to the show.

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How are you doing?

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I'm doing well.

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Thanks so much for having me.

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We're excited to have you.

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Yes, unplug me.

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I'm excited to learn about that.

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That's a great point, a great place to dive into it because it's everywhere you look.

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We are being bombarded by the fear messaging.

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Like people want us to be afraid.

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Why is it so important for us to be afraid?

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Fear is a really easy motivator and it's a really easy way to get people to do what you

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want them to do.

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Control.

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Yeah, let's take a big breath.

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So we've heard this before, right?

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It's control, fear is bad, all the kind of stuff.

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And yet we keep signing up for that subscription.

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Why?

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What's going on?

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Why is fear such a motivator for us?

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And why is this so easy to fall into?

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It's so hard to be terrible.

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It's a really great question.

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That's like a lot of questions.

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One of the time.

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Okay.

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The thing that comes to mind when you ask that is, and I love by the way that you started

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this out, but you obviously looked at my website and checked some stuff out.

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And this is actually in the last two years, just been a theme more for me because I realized

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how much fear was playing a part in everybody's lives.

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And it's comfortable.

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I think what's comfortable about it is that you kind of create this area of, well, here's

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where I've been told I can play.

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Here's the box that I need to stay with in as long as I stand side that box that I've

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been told I can play with in and I'm safe that I'm good.

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But there's a real fear, understandably, of death.

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There's a real fear of doing the wrong thing.

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There's all sorts of different fears that I think put in our mind.

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There's a mentor of mine, her name's N. May Mangles, she's phenomenal and she says we're

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born with just two fears, the fear of falling and the fear of loud noises, everything else

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we learn.

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Wow.

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And so when you think about it like that, yeah, I really started to examine because I was

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very much, I never thought I would be an entrepreneur.

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I very much was an introvert and someone who played by a lot of the rules.

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And so I started examining all the ways in which I was letting fear rule my life.

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And I just got tired of it.

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And that was a big reason why I started my business.

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I was just tired of it.

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I'll be tired of fear.

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I'll be like, "You know, kind of like being in that box that many think about how, you know,

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people say all bad things come in threes or whatever, but when you have that time where everything

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is going good, it's almost like you can't enjoy it because you're afraid of what's going

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to happen."

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The shoes in the drop anyway, right?

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Exactly.

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It's like even when you're not afraid, you're afraid.

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What the heck?

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And even in the spiritual space now, it's getting hairy because now suddenly, if you meditate,

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it's, you know, demonic entities are going to take over you or, you know, you, if you do

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a gateway project with the, with the Monroe Institute.

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Suddenly, that's actually a satanic cult trying to get you.

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I don't know.

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Well, you can't escape it.

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Even when you turn to spirituality, you try to escape it.

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Everyone is trying to pull in different directions and it is exhausting.

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Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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And I think that's the other kind of thing that I've realized I play is I play a bit of a

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bridge for people.

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So I'm not, when people look at me, I think they just see me face value what they get.

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They don't see some what they would consider to be super woo-woo, magical, mystical, energy

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healer.

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And I think what I really desire the most for people is to learn to trust yourself because

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no matter what aspect of life, whatever industry you're in or whether you go to see a satanic

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or a medium or you go see your doctor or dentist, you should use the same discernment.

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There are plenty of doctors and dentists that I've met that I've been like, I don't trust

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you or they didn't do something correctly with integrity.

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It's the same thing with mystics and mediums.

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So why is it so hard for us to trust ourselves?

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It's a great question.

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I think because we haven't been taught how to and we've been taught to constantly from

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the time we're little, especially in the US, to look outside of ourselves for answers.

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And so learning to actually tune into our body, listen to our body, believe and trust

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that what we're feeling in our body is actually also a message, not just in our mind.

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I think that's a process that a lot of people are starting to go through now, but we weren't

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taught how to do that.

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Right.

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That's true.

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And not to not pay attention to that.

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If you worry about something, I don't worry about it or that'll go away or...

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Well, there's a lot of programming involved too.

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A lot because for the time that you're young, you're being documented.

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If you're in any kind of religion, this is only in Catholicism, Christianity, only the

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priests can talk to God for things like that.

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So there's a lot of disempowering conversation being had when you're very little that starts

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the whole process.

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I was taught you learning from other people.

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You're never learning from yourself.

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Right.

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And we all know that the actual answers are inside of ourselves, right?

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Not in some outside thing.

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So it's easy to say all of that.

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Right.

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Yeah, we know it's coming from.

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We understand this happening.

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But at the end of the day, we all just fall right into that trap.

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Every single one of us lives at some point or another directly from fear.

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Even if we take spirituality, again, when you think about the fact that when I meditate,

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I feel really good.

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And yet I have people saying, "I'll be careful because if you meditate, you're opening the

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gateway to things that you maybe aren't prepared for."

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And then suddenly a meditation, not so good.

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See, I just choose not to believe in that.

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Right.

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Well, I think, yeah, you bring up a good point of intention and motivation.

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So for me, I always look at, is the advice, is the recommendation coming from a place of

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love or is it coming from a place of fear?

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To me, that sounds like a place of fear.

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If I basically did not allow myself to talk to a psychic or go see a psychic or a medium

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until I was in my early 30s because I grew up Catholic and it wasn't really told directly

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to me.

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It was very, in my perspective, with my family in particular, my mom and dad were very loving

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and it was not overly legalistic.

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Catholicism was very loving and accepting of all sorts of kinds of people.

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But at the same time, I was getting messages from other people who were in different denominations

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of Christianity that told me I was going to hell because I was a Catholic and that I didn't

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have a relationship with Jesus in the right way.

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Is your Catholic?

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Yeah.

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And so I started to get curious of like, this is interesting because I don't feel like I'm

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going to hell.

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And is there even a hell?

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And so I started asking all these questions.

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And so I think when, if someone were to say to me, if you meditate too much or if you go

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to deep meditation, you're going to open a gateway, I would say, I appreciate that perspective.

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I have not yet witnessed that happening.

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I've now been meditating for like eight plus years and it's brought me nothing but really

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good things.

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So I appreciate that thought or that you're concerned for me.

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But I think we always have to look at where's the advice coming from and is it coming from

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a place of love and compassion or is it coming from a place where their own fear is being

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projected onto you?

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I think that's it.

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I think that's it.

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That's it.

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They're being projected onto you.

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And they are unintentionally disguising it as compassion or concern or love.

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They don't want this to happen to you.

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I've definitely had a lot of people do exactly that.

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As I've gone in and become more public on my social media too over the last six years,

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because I became an energy healer about five years ago.

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But I've been sensitive to energy my whole life.

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I just didn't call myself an energy healer.

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I didn't know what that was.

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But as I've started revealing more and more of myself, I've definitely had to break off

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certain relationships with people who were just thought I was losing it or I've lost

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my connection to God.

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And I actually have never felt closer to God because of this.

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So as always, you make up a great point that I want to make sure we double tap on because

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the whole thing is you have been meditating for eight plus years and you have an experience

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that kind of thing.

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So if that is indeed a thing, what do you think about the possibility that, I mean, we've

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many, many times on the show we talk about the fact that we create our own reality?

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And if you live in a fear-based reality, there's a good chance that you might manifest certain

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things that you are afraid of and then you then, you know, the whole misery loves company

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type of thing.

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So then you are bringing everyone else in because you want to be in the same boat as everyone

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else.

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So do you think that if someone is just rejects the fact that something negative could

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happen, it won't happen to them?

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Or is that just purely spiritual bypassing?

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That's a good question.

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Well, what's coming up for me as you were talking was the number one reason that I actually

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decided to, well, one of the number one reasons I decided to dive more headfirst into all

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things spiritual was because I was done being afraid of it.

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And so I've decided that with anything I have fear about, I'm going to turn and face

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it straight on because every time I do, I get to the other side and in my body, my

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body might feel like I'm actually dying.

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Like my body absolutely responds like, oh my god, I can't believe we're doing this.

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I can't believe we're, oh my god, are we going to do breath work?

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Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.

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And then we get to their side and I feel amazing.

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And so I believe that when you look for a red car and you're out in the street, you're going

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to find all the red cars.

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You're going to, you're going to look for them.

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If you look everywhere for the bad things that are happening, you're going to find all

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the bad things happening.

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So I think your intention behind what you go into something with, like I go into meditation

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with the intention, then I'm going to connect with the highest truth and compassion and love.

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And that's what I connect with.

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If you go in with the intention that I could connect with something that's not of a good

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vibration, something that does not serve me, then that could happen.

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I think it's all about intention.

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Our intention is so much more powerful than we realize.

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So powerful.

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I love that way of the feeling.

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And earlier in the question you asked, if that spiritual bypassing, which I would say

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now?

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Well, the fact that there's a whole school of thought.

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Just guess, thank you, school of thought that believes that if you don't acknowledge the

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fact that negative things could potentially happen, then that is just spiritual bypassing.

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Right?

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The love and light crowd, right?

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The whole love and light crowd is doing bad things for spirituality because they're not

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actually facing the shadows.

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And so to counter that, yeah, please.

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Yeah.

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Because I would like, I would love my meditation to be good again.

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Why?

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You know, why if I don't want to have these things, if I choose to not believe in them and

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live in the light and the love and have a beautiful, wonderful life and spread love and

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share kindness, how could that possibly be bad?

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Well, in their estimation, their thought process, you can't, you would be stuck.

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You can't progress unless you go through the shadows.

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I disagree with that.

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Right?

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Well, there you go.

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It's an interesting question to bring up for sure because I do believe, I get what you're

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saying about the spiritual bypassing piece.

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I don't negate that there are lower vibrational entities and beings, things like that that exist.

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Absolutely.

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I just choose to not interact with them.

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It doesn't mean that I'm not going through my own shadow work or looking at the faults and

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things of issues and things that I've had to work out myself in order to get to this place

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of where I'm at.

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I think it's actually because I have looked at those things and integrated them into who

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I am that I no longer am afraid of them.

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Right.

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That also kind of be a different perspective whereas some person might say these are evil.

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Because I've had a couple situations like the lady at the window and stuff where it can

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look scary and it can feel like a bad thing.

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But to me, it's just maybe those lower vibrational things that need help.

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They're just looking for help that are attracted to your light.

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And so they need to be said, you know, be shown.

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This is what you need to do or, you know, go to the light or whatever.

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That doesn't necessarily, they're there to harm you, but they can look scary.

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So you might make those assumptions based on how we're programmed, you know.

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Right.

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We went down a pretty big rabbit hole, but I totally understand the thought and I firmly believe

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that growth happens outside your comfort zone.

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So when you talk about the best things that you've done have gone through fear and originally

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the side, all the better for it, I could not agree with you more on that side of things.

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But when we were doing research into your conversation with you, we found that your point of

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you here is in how to move forward, whether or not to move forward, because sometimes like

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for example, if you have a full time job and you're really being called to do something

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else because you can't stand this full time job, there's this massive fear about taking

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the leap.

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So how do you recommend someone handle that?

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It's a great question and one that I always tell people, I always preface it by saying, hey,

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look, what I've done is not, does not mean that this is setting the standard for what you

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have to do.

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Because I as a coach, I'm not going to recommend that someone, someone has to make that decision

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for themselves.

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But what I'll tell you is that I decided in 2020 that I was no longer going to let that

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kind of fear rule any part of my life.

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So I'm basically been running an experiment for the last six years because I started my

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company with only enough money to last me about a month and a half.

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So I left my job July 10th.

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I had enough money to get me through for my mortgage and bills until September 1st.

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And I've been going since then on pure faith and surrender and trusting because I wanted

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to really test.

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I was like, you know what, I'm going to be a true scientist here.

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And I'm going to see, does this stuff work?

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Does this stuff that I've been hearing about actually work says I got tired of hearing

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about it.

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And I really want to experience it.

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And so that's what I've done is I've, and so I've been taking notes and kind of like monitoring

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my journey.

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And I literally have a list of all the different miracles that have happened for me since

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2020 because every time I think, oh my god, I don't know how I'm going to pay my bills

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next month, something shows up, something happens.

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But not a lot of people have that the privilege, I guess I would say that I have, I don't have

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kids.

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I do own a house and I have things I can absolutely lose.

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But I don't have, I think for parents, obviously it's harder when you're wanting to take

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a risk, but you're like, oh gosh, I really want to keep my kids in the school they're at

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or whatever I'm worried about.

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I still don't think it means that you don't have to, I don't think you still have to live

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by that fear of that something you want to do.

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But I think it's all very much personal preference and what you're kind of willing to

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risk and what you feel comfortable with.

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And for me, I just wanted to go all in.

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And because the more risks that I take, the better and better my life gets.

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So yeah.

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That's kind of what we're talking about.

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So we have a daughter who's in high school.

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And for another two and a half years, we're like, all right, once she graduates, that's

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it.

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We're done.

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We're done.

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Travel or like be bakers or something, you know, just kind of get out of its rat race.

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And I think, I actually think we might do something like that.

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But yeah, it's that thing.

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We have her.

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We need to make sure that she has everything she needs, you know, health insurance and food

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and the basics.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, there's that fear of that, you know?

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All right, let's let's talk about the subscription that we've all bought into, right?

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We can't cancel.

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A lot of times we just totally forget that we signed up for it.

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So when did you personally realize that you were still paying for yours that made the

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motivation to stop living in that way?

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The very first thing that comes to mind is I was working at the Seattle Art Museum.

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This is before I jumped into real estate in 2012 and I was sitting in a meeting and I was

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really frustrated with the process.

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I was going through.

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We were trying to create a ticketing system.

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And I started to almost like black out.

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I didn't realize I was having like a version of a panic attack, but I was so angry inside

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and it's so frustrated.

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And I wasn't yet to a place where I didn't used to speak very much.

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I didn't speak in front of groups.

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I didn't speak out loud a lot until like my 30s.

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And I just realized I had a whole lot to say and I wasn't saying it.

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It was in that meeting where I realized, okay, I'm learning too much of this run my life.

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And so I left that job and then real estate being in the Keller Williams franchise and that

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brokerage there.

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I joined a team and that team was all about personal growth.

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And that was really what jumped started my journey into reigning.

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I read a lot about what other leaders and people that had gone through all sorts of these

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different phases in their life, what they had done to get where they were at.

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And so after about like the fifth or sixth book where I was reading about meditation and

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the theme, it seemed to be a theme in everybody's life.

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I was like, you know what, why am I not doing this yet?

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And that's what kind of started it.

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But it was that moment back at the museum where I was like, what is going on here?

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And why am I continuing to let this again rule my day?

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Right.

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So where did that message come from?

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Because that's I think that might be the missing piece for a lot of people that they

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don't connect the dots.

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What brought you that to that really?

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Well, I think a lot of people might have experienced that event in that meeting and just said that's

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just just how it's going to be.

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That's normal.

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I think a lot of people have, yeah, what was that?

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I said get on the meds.

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Yeah, a lot of people like think it's normal.

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Oh, my daily pain is normal.

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Having daily pain is just the way it is.

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Oh, having that response in a meeting, I just have to deal with it.

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No, you don't.

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And I think it kind of depends.

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Some people I always have from that point forward, I've always thought to myself, I don't

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ever want to feel like I've hit rock bottom before I make a change.

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I want to make a change before I get to rock bottom.

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Which means acknowledging when I know that something's not right and making a move before I wait

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in time about to have a panic attack or worse, I get sick or something out in my body.

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It was, I always tell people like your body is writing you a letter every single day.

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Are you reading it?

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Are you listening?

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Because I used to get feelings in my stomach.

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I still get feelings not used to.

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I get feelings in my stomach and my chest in my body when something goes off and I'm like,

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this is wrong.

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And now I pay attention.

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But back then, I didn't even know what, I didn't even probably feel it and I didn't acknowledge

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it.

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I thought it was just, I didn't think it was important, but it actually is everything.

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I think a lot of people don't even notice it.

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No, they get used to it.

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Yeah, it just becomes part of who you are.

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So those feelings are, you know, they're not loud enough, at least for me to get.

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Well then they get louder and louder.

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They come through and illness, they come through in symptoms, they come through like

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all these things that happened to us are all, it's your body talking to you.

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Right?

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Well then, how, okay, so I've recognized that this fear is holding me back.

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How do you get beyond it?

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That's a great question.

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I think the big bucks.

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You have to like write and like how you said earlier too that a lot of people, it's interesting

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as a coach to us.

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I see a lot of different people, even when they pay to work with me, when they sometimes

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people don't take the steps that I encourage them to take.

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And I'm like, you're paying for me to tell you what to do and you're still not doing it.

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And so then we have to look at, I really like talking about the conscious and the subconscious

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mind.

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So 95% of our day is run unconsciously and our subconscious.

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Only 5% of our day is our conscious self, which means like, I think of it like a computer

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chip.

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Most of what we're doing every day is just on autopilot.

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And so when you start to look at those different things and look at what you do automatically, that's

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why meditations play such a key part, I think, because it forces you to slow down enough where

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you start to notice things.

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And the more you can notice, the more you can be aware, the more you can be aware, the

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more you can change.

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We get so dulled because how many times have you driven somewhere?

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You're like, whoa, yeah, I remember going through that stoplight or you know, turning on that

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road and you're just here there.

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Or the time when you end up in the wrong place.

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Like what the heck?

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I wasn't going here.

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Exactly.

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We yesterday.

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I was like, oh my god, it was just me.

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It was just me.

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It was just me.

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It was.

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So then you're getting these messages.

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In the intro, we talked about the fact that you get these messages and a lot of times we're

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not listening.

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But how do you, what steps can you take to A?

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Recognize that it's a message that is meant for you and be listened to it and actually take

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action.

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So one of the first action steps that I'll often give clients when they're kind of at this

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stage where they've never experienced meditation before or anything is just to meditate with

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I like to have headphones that cover my ears like these ones because I am very sensitive

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to sound and so I can get easily distracted.

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So just put on some headphones.

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You don't have to have music or meditation or anything.

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You just sit in silence for two minutes, just two minutes a day and ask at the very beginning,

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what do you want me to know today?

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And then whatever comes to your mind with no judgment whatsoever at the end of that

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two minutes right down, anything you saw heard, smelled, thought of.

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So what I would do in the beginning when I started to meditate, I was reading that book

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by Hal Elrod.

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I'm going to forget the blank on the title, his morning book.

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And he gives you the savers to do, which is silence, affirmation, visualization, exercise,

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reading and scribing.

478
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,880
And so this is how I started my morning meditation.

479
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,680
And so I would get these images and I would just discount it thinking, well, I'm just thinking

480
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,800
about Harry Potter because I watched it this weekend.

481
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,960
Like that doesn't mean anything.

482
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:14,880
But as I started to recognize that actually I was seeing things because my guides, I believe

483
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,760
I have spirit guides, my guides are using things in my environment to communicate with me.

484
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,160
So they're using Harry Potter because I love Harry Potter.

485
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:29,120
They're using different people or verbs or words because that's what connects with me.

486
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,000
And so I would have them write down anything that they get.

487
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,200
And then if they're coaching with me, I would say, okay, if you see an action item in

488
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,160
that list, I want you to do it.

489
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,920
And I want you to treat it like gold because the other thing people do is they get these messages

490
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,320
and they think, oh, this can't mean much.

491
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,120
But in actuality, it usually means a lot.

492
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:51,320
Like as an example, I'll give you about a year ago, I got a message in meditation.

493
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,760
I asked, I meditated with my root chakra, which is the base, it's at the base of your spine

494
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,600
and it's responsible for your safety and security.

495
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,880
And so as I've been working on how I feel about money and scarcity, I've been working

496
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:09,040
with my root chakra and I asked, what do you need to feel good in this world, in this 3D world?

497
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,440
And I got the word in my mind, sometimes I'll just see words.

498
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,600
I sell water and then I got this girl's face, her name Samantha Westrowell.

499
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,720
And she's an aerobic yoga therapist.

500
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:24,120
So I knew one that I've not been properly hydrated for years, like the water's not been reaching

501
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:25,440
myself.

502
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,920
And then Samantha does like a two step process where she completely evaluates what you eat

503
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,160
and how your body's functioning.

504
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,840
So I went and had a session with her in response to this meditation and lo and behold, she had

505
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,520
me start adding sea salt to my water to the point of where I could taste it.

506
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,200
Because I'd heard about adding salt to my water before, but now you add it to you can taste

507
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,200
it.

508
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:52,080
And boom, 24 hours later, my body started responding like it hadn't in years because the salt

509
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,480
was helping the water access my cells.

510
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,480
So that's an example.

511
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,840
That's a very interesting thing because it's so counterintuitive, right?

512
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,160
Salt is usually a, it'll make you a thirstier.

513
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,440
It'll make you less hydrated.

514
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,680
That's what we've been told.

515
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,200
We talked to that one guy at SpiritFest.

516
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:15,520
I can't remember the name of his company and he was, he put salt in the water, like a specific

517
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,520
kind of salt.

518
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,280
Yes, yes, yes.

519
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,480
So okay, so I can completely understand how if you have this meditation, you see the water

520
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,120
and then you see this practitioner and you can kind of put two and two together.

521
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:31,640
Someone's hanging out, they're meditating and Harry Potter comes into mind.

522
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,600
How do you put, like what action do you give from that?

523
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,360
I mean, if he's like zapping an owl or whatever, I mean, how do you put two and two together?

524
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:42,960
That's where like doing it.

525
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,960
I love that.

526
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,960
I think that zapping is up.

527
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,960
Okay.

528
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,520
As you start to do it every single day, you'll notice themes and patterns.

529
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,240
And so that's why I have them write it down because after doing this for two weeks, we'll

530
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,920
look at it together during a session, during a coaching session.

531
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,920
And I'll help that person kind of like, let's look at this.

532
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,600
What does this mean to you when you watch Harry Potter?

533
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,400
Is there something about that movie?

534
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,400
Like why do you watch it?

535
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,400
Why are you drawn to it?

536
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,800
And we'll start to examine like why is that important to them?

537
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,400
And the themes will just start to come up and pop.

538
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,400
Yeah.

539
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:18,300
Well, I'm really curious now that you mentioned meditating on the root chakra for finances

540
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:22,160
and things like that because there's a lot of people who listen, maybe some people that

541
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,520
are in this room right now who are listening.

542
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:31,360
But that could use some tips on how to feel at ease with their finances.

543
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,360
Absolutely.

544
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:36,600
So can you walk us through what you do to make that happen for you?

545
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:42,000
Hey, I wanted to take a second to tell you about someone in our world who I think deserves

546
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,320
your attention.

547
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,440
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548
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:53,040
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549
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550
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,000
and living rooms all across America, all to answer one question.

551
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,000
What is love?

552
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,000
Now, I'm going to talk about the hallmark version, not even the chemistry version.

553
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,440
I'm talking about the real answer to what is love.

554
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,200
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555
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:27,200
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556
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557
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He speaks to conferences, universities, spiritual communities, arts and humanities audiences,

558
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:47,040
all about the origin, the nature and the purpose of love and its relationship to consciousness.

559
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That's the kind of talk that changes the way people think about their relationships, their

560
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,560
purpose, and honestly their lives.

561
00:28:54,560 --> 00:29:00,560
He's also the author of the upcoming book, A Map of Souls, The Quest for Love's True Story,

562
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,400
with a foreword by Dr. Ebony Alexander.

563
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,120
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564
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:15,080
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565
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566
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,920
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567
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568
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569
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,880
There's a lot of people who listen, maybe some people that are in this room right now who

570
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:44,480
are listening, that could use some tips on how to feel at ease with their experiences.

571
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,680
Can you walk us through what you do to make that happen for you?

572
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,680
Absolutely.

573
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,080
Just that meditation in particular, or just in general, things that I do?

574
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,080
Sure.

575
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,160
Yes, all the above.

576
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,480
It's so funny because I think money used to be such a hard topic for me.

577
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,360
Now I think I'm actually beginning to see a path where I might be speaking on it more,

578
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,200
because it's one of those fears that I have had to turn and face head on.

579
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,320
I've had to call my mortgage company several times over the last six years when I couldn't

580
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,800
make my mortgage payment.

581
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,480
Because I'm calling, my body is freaking out.

582
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,560
There's a couple different things that I've done.

583
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,240
Meditating with my root chakra was a tip that was given to me by a mentor of mine, Crystal

584
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,240
Novak.

585
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:30,600
She's a psychic and an energy worker and she's been doing this work for 50 plus years.

586
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,360
You can meditate with each one of your chakras and you can see what you can, if you Google

587
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,880
it, you can find out what the different chakras mean.

588
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:42,280
But the root chakra has a lot to do with how safe do we feel, how stable do we feel.

589
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,480
If there's ever any situation that you don't feel safe in or if you are just in general

590
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,240
someone who's anxious about money or anxious about anything really, I would take a look at

591
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,280
meditating with that chakra and you can just ask it, what do you need?

592
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,560
You can also, I love using Insight Timer as a free app on your phone and I'll go on there

593
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,640
sometimes and just look for root chakra meditations and do a guided one.

594
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,680
But I am constantly connecting with my root chakra, asking it whatever else it needs in

595
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:15,000
order to feel safe because also I think I've had some fear around what happens if I do have

596
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,080
a lot of money.

597
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,080
Can I manage it?

598
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,080
Am I going to be good with it?

599
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,840
Well, I know what to do with it.

600
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,760
And so I've also been working on helping my subconscious mind and my root chakra know and

601
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:30,520
understand that I have really good people in place to help me when I have a lot of money.

602
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,200
I have lots of things around me to support me and I am actually quite good with money.

603
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,640
I'm actually quite strategic.

604
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,840
Again, this is one of the things that I think as a girl too, especially my parents were

605
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,480
very much paycheck to paycheck.

606
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,520
My dad worked at a local grocery store, his whole career, my mom worked in the school district

607
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,360
and so we didn't have a ton of money to play with.

608
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,840
And so I was also kind of ingrained with this idea that we are just paycheck to paycheck.

609
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:59,120
We never have an excess like more than we need kind of feeling and I want to have that

610
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,840
more than I know what to do with feeling.

611
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,840
And so a lot of that's been just helping my subconscious mind and also a little Margaret

612
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,480
who's a part of me know that it's safe for me to have a lot of money.

613
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,000
We should mention your name is Margaret.

614
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,440
We call you Moe but you go by Moe but your name is Margaret.

615
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,440
It's just so different.

616
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:15,440
Those are confused.

617
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,440
Yeah, right.

618
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,440
It's just a Margaret.

619
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,400
I still call her a little Margaret because I didn't become Moe until college.

620
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,200
So yeah.

621
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,440
Well, so it's interesting because when we were in the very first spirit fest, you guys

622
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,160
got me a singing bowl which is right over there and it just so happens that the singing

623
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,280
bowl is a tune to the root chakra.

624
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Oh, did you know that when you bought it?

625
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,760
No, no, we did not.

626
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:41,760
How do you know?

627
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,760
How do you know?

628
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,480
So when he gave it to me, he said this is a root chakra.

629
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,240
So at the time, at the point, I was like, oh, cool.

630
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,640
But you know, I just know it's got this wall.

631
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,920
I maybe feel a little weird when I was sitting down, but you know what that when you do it

632
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:57,920
when you.

633
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,120
I haven't paid attention to it enough.

634
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,120
I think I need to use it more often.

635
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,840
It's been a bit of a coincidence there for a while.

636
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,960
I think I need to get back to it.

637
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,960
Because yeah, yes, if you had put two and two together, the person with the full-time job

638
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,440
that really doesn't want it is me.

639
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,640
So I'm hoping that things will change and things are moving in a really good direction.

640
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,680
So I need to give myself more of an anchor.

641
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,640
So thank you for that.

642
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,640
That helped.

643
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,880
It's been helped both of us.

644
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,880
I hope so.

645
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,840
You know, it is really incredible how, you know, we hear these stories again and again about

646
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,320
how people have just walked away from it all and then just have the success beyond their

647
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:45,840
wildest means, but dreams, but quite often, these are people also that had these, you know,

648
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,800
multi-million dollar companies and then they sold it and you know, sort of doing their

649
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:49,800
own thing.

650
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,240
So they had that safety net.

651
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,000
And I think that's what a lot of people, that's the fear, you know, not having that safety

652
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,000
net.

653
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,840
So how do you walk away from the stuff?

654
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,960
And so basically, I guess it kind of gets back to that fear and how do we, how do we unplug?

655
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:04,960
Mm-hmm.

656
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,280
The first, I mean, the first part is practicing.

657
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,480
So the reason I named that retreat unplug from fear was to just give people two days.

658
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,760
What if just for today, you didn't live by fear?

659
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,160
How would you act differently?

660
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Who would you talk to?

661
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,160
Where would you go?

662
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,160
How would you be?

663
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,160
How would you feel?

664
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,160
And so I've literally been living without a safety net for the last six years and playing

665
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,800
with this because I wanted to get to a place where even if I didn't know how I was going to

666
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:37,120
pay my bills tomorrow or if I had technically no money today, how can I be at peace with

667
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:37,960
that?

668
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,200
Because I know in my heart of hearts that I could go sleep on someone kept.

669
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,120
Like nobody's going to let me just stay outside and sleep outside.

670
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,240
But I wanted to get to that place where I could still, my body could still be at peace

671
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:52,680
knowing that no matter what, I'm okay.

672
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,440
Because truly that's what I actually believe is I don't believe I'm this human body.

673
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,240
I believe I must spirit within this body and I go on forever.

674
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,240
And so if I think that way, I approach life very differently and I want to approach life

675
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:11,480
that way because I believe that's going to be the most magical, surprising, delightful

676
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,480
experience.

677
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,020
I'd much rather if I lived that way, then I'm going to take a break in the middle of my

678
00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:21,160
work day, which is super illegal in the nine to five world right at like 11 a.m. or

679
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,160
1030.

680
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,720
I'm going to go to this coffee shop just because I just have a message that I should.

681
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:26,800
And I did this once.

682
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,600
I was like, I should go get a coffee.

683
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,280
And in the beginning, I'd call it illegal, anything illegal coffee because I'm doing it

684
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,480
on my own schedule.

685
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,040
And I left to go to this coffee shop that's like three minutes away.

686
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,440
It's just a little corner one that you drive through.

687
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,000
And as I got up to the stop light before the coffee shop, this guy in front of me, he was

688
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,000
stopped.

689
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,680
It was a red light and he rolled back, almost hit me before going to the light and I'm

690
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,600
going to this little red Honda fit, just a tiny car.

691
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,480
And so we go through the light and I'm like, Oh, that's so funny.

692
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,280
And then he's going to the coffee shop where I'm going.

693
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,720
And as I go in behind him, I think to myself, it'd be really cool if you bought my coffee

694
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,920
because he felt bad for rolling back on me at the stop light.

695
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,920
And I just thought it.

696
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,560
I just hadn't, you know, if I just think of stuff like this sometimes.

697
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,960
And I get up to the window and the lady is like, he's buying your coffee because he feels

698
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,960
bad for rolling back on.

699
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,800
I was like, mine blown.

700
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:14,800
My God.

701
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,600
That's one small example of like allowing yourself to dream like that, allowing yourself

702
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,640
to say those crazy things out loud.

703
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:27,480
That's a form of manifesting without fear with just and just and following that feeling

704
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,000
of, Hey, I think I should go to that grocery store today instead of this one.

705
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,120
Well, so I love it.

706
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,760
And I think I've read a bunch of books that talk about doing that.

707
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,000
There's the whole the yes experiment.

708
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,840
We just put say yes to everything that comes your way, that kind of thing.

709
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:47,920
We've done this on the show where we challenge everyone to do whatever.

710
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,920
But here comes the skeptic.

711
00:36:53,920 --> 00:37:00,360
What if you get a message that says, I'm just not going to go into work for the next three

712
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,360
months.

713
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,360
Right?

714
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:08,120
So you tell your wife.

715
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,720
You have to find a way to discern between the messages that actually are in your best interest

716
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,400
and the ones are going to flush you down the toilet.

717
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,920
So how can you tell the difference between those two?

718
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,480
It's a good question.

719
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,800
I think so the first thing I would do is I would get curious and ask myself, why do you

720
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,680
not want to go in for the next three months?

721
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,720
Because I hate it.

722
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:27,720
Okay.

723
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:28,720
So not me.

724
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,400
I'm just talking to my boss might listen to the show.

725
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,960
So not me specifically, but you know, some people might hate your job.

726
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,960
Yeah.

727
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,720
Well, that I mean, I was getting that message probably really truly for like two, three

728
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:42,720
years.

729
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:47,320
And because I did not have a plan, like I said, to leave my job after the pandemic hit and

730
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,080
we started working from home, it felt so good that I couldn't deny it.

731
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,600
And then it just came up in a phone call and I said, you know what?

732
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,920
I think I actually have to leave.

733
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,280
And I was listening to myself thinking, what did you just say?

734
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,120
So I think when you get a message like that, you ask yourself, well, that's a feeling that's

735
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,720
coming from somewhere.

736
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:06,400
What do you do not want to be here anymore?

737
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,760
And then you can, you can kind of balance it with the logical of, okay, if we don't want

738
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,920
to be here anymore, well, then let's set a date to leave.

739
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:15,920
Let's set a date.

740
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,760
Let's make a plan because again, truly, if I were getting that message about now, if I get

741
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,960
a message like that about a project or a collaboration that I'm doing with someone, I don't

742
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,960
keep it anymore.

743
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,400
I might let myself sit with it for a couple of weeks to make sure that I'm feeling the

744
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,360
same way and that it's not just a moment that I'm having.

745
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,520
But if that moment lasts for longer than a couple days, I know it's more than a moment.

746
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,600
I know that it's truly, truly me knowing on some level, there's a frequency there that

747
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,360
is telling me, this is no longer an alignment.

748
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,360
And I trust that.

749
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,360
I know if you're thinking.

750
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,360
Do you?

751
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,360
Yes, I do.

752
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,360
Did I share?

753
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,160
We just had a recent.

754
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,160
We did.

755
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,160
A recent situation.

756
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,160
Very, very, very recent.

757
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,160
Oh, because all of a sudden, it just didn't feel right.

758
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,960
Yeah, it happens.

759
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:02,960
It truly does.

760
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,440
Yeah, and the more it happens, the more you realize you recognize it earlier.

761
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,440
Yeah.

762
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,000
Then pull yourself out of it earlier, which is exactly what we did, which is perfect.

763
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:19,200
Okay, so you're in a motion code practitioner.

764
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,360
And I'd love to sound of that, but I have no idea what it means.

765
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,360
I'll close it.

766
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,200
You've never heard of it before?

767
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,200
I've heard it before, yes.

768
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,880
But we've never had someone on the show about, it's talking about the motion code.

769
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:37,280
So, because someone has never heard of it, what actually happened in the session, what

770
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,280
would make a skeptic roll their eyes at it?

771
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,280
Oh, what would make a skeptic?

772
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,040
Well, I'm assuming probably anything I'm about to say would make a skeptic roll their eyes.

773
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,600
But I encourage that.

774
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,400
The way that I describe it is that essentially when I connect to someone, when I connect, we

775
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,240
could do it over Zoom right here.

776
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,800
When I connect to someone, I connect to your energy and I'm connecting to your subconscious

777
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,720
brain, which like earlier, I said, runs 95% of your day.

778
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,040
Your subconscious brain remembers everything.

779
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,600
It remembers what happened in the womb.

780
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,280
It remembers what happened every day of your life.

781
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,800
It makes a little three by five cards, sticks it in your head, and it's like, we're

782
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,920
not going to forget about that trauma.

783
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,560
So what the motion code is doing is if you're currently in pain, you don't have to be in

784
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,920
pain because we can ask about anything, I would ask, let's say, if you had a headache today,

785
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,320
I would say, does Will have any trapped emotions causing this headache?

786
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,920
Then your subconscious would go through your brain and say, "Oh, wait, there's this one."

787
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,200
There's a chart that he has.

788
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,360
So I use the chart.

789
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,120
For me, you can do muscle testing in a number of different ways.

790
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,560
I think he shows six or seven different ways to use it with your fingers, to do it.

791
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,880
If you're in person with someone, I choose to use a pendulum because I like the visual.

792
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,840
When the pendulum moves, the person that I'm working with can see it, and I tend to work

793
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,080
with a lot of logical, skeptical people.

794
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,840
They really like seeing the pendulum move.

795
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,880
They're like, "Oh, wow.

796
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,840
It picks the emotion off of his chart of about, I think there's 60 emotions on there."

797
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,000
Then you release it using a magnet and you run the magnet from your forehead over your

798
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,640
head down off your neck.

799
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,760
What that's doing is essentially our bodies are an electric field.

800
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,720
When you bring a magnet up here, it signals to all your other radiant points through your

801
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,960
body, "Hey, we're releasing anxiety.

802
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:08,960
We're releasing anxiety."

803
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,080
You just do it three times and it releases that energy off of your body.

804
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,200
The goal here is to identify however many emotions might be causing that migraine or headache

805
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,200
to come up.

806
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,360
Occasionally, some of those emotions can also be inherited, which is the part I love about

807
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,320
the emotion code is that when you identify an inherited emotion, it could be from your

808
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,320
mom or dad's side.

809
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,800
Again, we're using your subconscious to identify this.

810
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,880
We can actually ask how many generations back it goes.

811
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,200
When you release that, you run the magnet 10 times and it releases not only from you, but

812
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,320
from any of your family members or your kids who are carrying that same energy.

813
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,720
It's just like eye color, hair color, anything else.

814
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,560
You carry certain energies.

815
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,360
It has completely transformed the way that I work for myself, my clients, and my friends

816
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,360
and family.

817
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:02,760
You're right. A lot of that made the skeptic eyes roll, but let's start with the magnet thing.

818
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:10,160
Are you saying that emotions or anxiety is magnetizable?

819
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,480
I'm saying that they're made of energy.

820
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,200
It's a very specific type of energy.

821
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,600
It's an attractive energy.

822
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,600
It's a magnetized energy.

823
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:24,400
If you're using a magnet to get it out, to clear it, it has to be attracted by the force

824
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,320
of the magnet.

825
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,760
I have a good point.

826
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,640
With me, the way that Dr. Bradley explains it in the book and the way that I think of it

827
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,600
is that, again, intention.

828
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,600
I'm calling out.

829
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,520
Your subconscious brain has helped me to figure out one of the emotions or energies that's

830
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,760
causing this migraine.

831
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,160
I'm intentionally saying, "I am releasing that anxiety," or "I am releasing that fear,"

832
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,560
whatever that is.

833
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,320
It's connecting with that specific emotion, causing that specific issue.

834
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,240
You could have anxiety stored in a different body, causing a different pain or something else,

835
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,720
but that's an example.

836
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:01,400
Because we're made of energy, again, it's that concept that I think is sometimes hard

837
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,160
for people.

838
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,920
If you're used to using your right brain all the time, right, right?

839
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,920
Yeah.

840
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,920
No left brain, logical.

841
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,920
Logical, yep.

842
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,920
Yeah.

843
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:11,920
Which I was definitely raised to use.

844
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,400
We're all in the US specifically raised to use and overuse our logical brains.

845
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,800
Then you might be like, "What?"

846
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,120
But the more you start to play with this and the more you start to open to it, the

847
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,840
more you understand the science behind it as well, which is we're all energy.

848
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:30,720
That's why our intentions and our thoughts are so powerful.

849
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:31,720
This sounds interesting.

850
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:35,960
My migraines come from a thing I've got on my back.

851
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:36,960
That's getting worse.

852
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,480
The thing you have on your back.

853
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,480
What's the thing?

854
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,480
You don't mind me asking.

855
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,680
It's not a little marker.

856
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,680
It's not a little...

857
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,680
Is that little anything?

858
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,680
I don't know.

859
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,680
It's got something.

860
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:50,680
It's a spinal stenosis.

861
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:57,600
It's the narrowing of my vertebrae and the loss of the fluid inside there.

862
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:04,600
If I lay down on my back or my neck, it inflems my neck immediately, which then I wake up

863
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,480
with a super stiff neck and then it just triggers my brain almost every time.

864
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,440
So do you have to sleep on your stomach then?

865
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,560
I have to sleep on my side.

866
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,920
And at my age, sleeping on your side is challenging because now then your hips start to hurt.

867
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,520
This is not a "but woe is will" already, although it's your feels like it.

868
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:30,440
But something like that, there's a physical reason for my discomfort.

869
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,960
With something like that, release it.

870
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,360
I would assume not, right?

871
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,360
Anything is possible.

872
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,360
Absolutely.

873
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,360
I can't guarantee anything.

874
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,000
As an energy healer, I'm not going to make any medical claims or anything.

875
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,600
But what I'll tell you is in his book, he has a list of all the different things that

876
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,360
he's helped people to relieve their symptoms of.

877
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,440
That wouldn't be surprising to me if something in there named that.

878
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,200
Because essentially that bone in your neck or that fluid, that's energy too.

879
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,360
It's all energy.

880
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:02,360
And so in my mind, what I believe now is that anything is possible.

881
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,200
And the cool thing about the other thing I love about the emotion code that I always try

882
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,520
to tell people to is that, yes, I'm certified in it.

883
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,520
Anybody can do it.

884
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,520
You can get the book.

885
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:11,520
He tells you exactly how to do it in the book.

886
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,520
It's very empowering.

887
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,200
So you could buy the book today and start doing this on yourself tomorrow.

888
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,960
We want people to go to you.

889
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,080
It can come to me for an experience.

890
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,080
I don't know.

891
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,480
It's interesting because I have done this now.

892
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,400
I've done probably 150, maybe 200 now, sessions.

893
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,760
And from the very beginning, I did it with the woman who first taught me Raky.

894
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,600
And she was like, you do this differently.

895
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,120
I don't know why, but I've heard that from several different practitioners that they've

896
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,640
had other emotion code sessions.

897
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,280
It's always different with me.

898
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,160
I don't know what it is, but I'll tell you that within the first 10 pages of reading this

899
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,080
book, I don't have many certifications.

900
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,960
I'm not one of those people who goes out and gets certified in everything.

901
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,800
And the first 10 pages, I knew I was supposed to get certified in this.

902
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,840
Because there's something about this process that just aligns so deeply with, I think, the

903
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:02,120
logical part of me because I very much spend a lot of my time trying to help people who

904
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:07,000
are uber logical and don't open up this other side of their brain to just open it up a crack.

905
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,800
And this kind of feels like a bridge in that way.

906
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,240
It helps people realize not only that there's something else possible, but they could actually

907
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,720
be in control of it and do it themselves.

908
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:21,920
So in your experience working with people with this, how many, because people, I mean,

909
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,960
especially when you get older, you've got so much trauma in so many situations and emotions

910
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,320
kind of layered up.

911
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,960
So I'd imagine you have to peel back a bunch.

912
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,920
Like, what's the biggest number of people that had to peel back?

913
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,160
That's a great question.

914
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,000
So Dr. Bradley says there's about 300 trapped emotions on average per human.

915
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,160
I've released over 400 from just myself already.

916
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,120
And so, but for the issue, it depends.

917
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,760
In the book, he gives a great example of a man who's in his 70s and he has had hit pain

918
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,120
for 40 years.

919
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,040
So he worked on releasing his hit pain over the course of four weeks.

920
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,240
And I think he had to release like 80 plus emotions from just that hip.

921
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,640
But then the hit pain was gone.

922
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:58,640
Okay.

923
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,800
I gotta ask because, you know, I'm a guy.

924
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,280
Oh, please bring it.

925
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,800
Emotions are an our thing.

926
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:04,800
I love emotions.

927
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,560
I love guys that are emotional.

928
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,400
Well, so he released 80 emotions.

929
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Like, I mean, he's got to feel them and go through them or how do you release emotions?

930
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Great question.

931
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,520
I think so.

932
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,600
The one question I always had to was, does this mean we're bypassing our emotions?

933
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:20,840
Because I never like to do that either.

934
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,920
I feel everything.

935
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,560
What happens is as you release those emotions, it doesn't mean you're never going to feel

936
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:27,560
fear again.

937
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,600
It doesn't mean you're never going to feel anxiety again.

938
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,960
Because we're going to continue to experience life.

939
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,640
Hopefully now what will happen is as you experience new things, like I do this to myself.

940
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,160
Now I'm going through my day and I feel some fear.

941
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,040
I'm like, Oh, okay, feel it.

942
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,040
Feel it.

943
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,040
Let it go.

944
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,040
Because I used to not let anything go.

945
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,400
I used to just suppress it.

946
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,240
And so in that gentleman's case, I would make the assumption that he probably has had a

947
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:53,800
lot of things in his life happen for him and he hasn't taken the time to feel them.

948
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,440
Never wanted to go back and feel them.

949
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,840
Just stuffed him down.

950
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,040
So he's got to feel them.

951
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:04,080
Well, he's got to either feel them in another way or with the emotion code as you are releasing

952
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,080
them.

953
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,080
It's not all the time.

954
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,080
But when I was working with my mom, for instance, she has lymphoma.

955
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,320
So I've been working on every angle possible through the emotion code to ask and release all

956
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,720
emotions related to lymphoma.

957
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:20,160
And she had inherited grief come up on our second session.

958
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,880
And she's very emotional.

959
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,480
But she's also very logical too.

960
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,240
And she started to cry and she's like, Why am I crying?

961
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:28,880
I have nothing to be sad about.

962
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,960
But she felt the grief from her ancestors on her mom's side, which is where the lymphoma

963
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:33,960
came from.

964
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,960
So it's just wild.

965
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:35,960
Yeah.

966
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:41,320
So there is, I mean, I do tend to be emotional for no reason.

967
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,760
Like there was that commercial I saw with the girl.

968
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,160
Well, I mean, that's like it.

969
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:50,560
No, I know, but there's no reason for me to suddenly just like, like, oh my God.

970
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,000
Well, no, but you have a daughter.

971
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Yes, I do.

972
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,280
And it was the commercial about a young girl with cancer.

973
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,280
There you go.

974
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,280
Yeah.

975
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,800
My dad was certainly, my dad does not cry very often, but when it comes to me, oh, he

976
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,800
always happens to be the person that I run into like it growing up.

977
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,520
If I broke up with a boyfriend, dad was the first person I saw.

978
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:08,880
It was so wild.

979
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:14,840
And so yeah, those kinds of feelings with your kids, I think totally normal watching Coco.

980
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:15,840
Oh my God.

981
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:16,840
That was terrible.

982
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,840
In a movie theater.

983
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,840
I was like, I'm Pixar movie.

984
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,960
I was so embarrassed because I don't be pleased.

985
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,000
I think it's the best thing when men express their, like their feelings.

986
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,600
I think it's so masculine, so awesome, so fantastic.

987
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,080
I wish more men did it, honest to goodness.

988
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,680
We got to hang out more more because the people around me don't feel the same way, right?

989
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,480
So that popcorn bucket was over my head.

990
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,720
Say it won't be able to see it.

991
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:41,720
Oh, gosh.

992
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:42,720
Okay.

993
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:43,720
Anyway.

994
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:45,560
Well, thank you for sharing that.

995
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,120
That was a really great example to use your migraines just for people listening.

996
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,120
Yeah.

997
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,400
No, I'm really, really curious.

998
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,560
I'm going to have to reach out to you after this to talk because that sounds interesting.

999
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,400
I'd love to check it out at the very least.

1000
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,400
Okay.

1001
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:06,160
Karen, put up, asked a really good question earlier on in the, I think the pre-opener, the

1002
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,160
guest introduction.

1003
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:12,720
Anyway, she said, what if a message, you sit there for two minutes, like you said, and you're

1004
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:16,680
asking for a message to come to you and nothing comes.

1005
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,320
How possible is that?

1006
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,960
And if that happens, what do you do?

1007
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,960
Great question.

1008
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,600
So the first thing I would ask myself is, did I really not get a message?

1009
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,240
Or am I just discounting what I got, what I received?

1010
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:33,640
Because that was me for a long time thinking I wasn't getting anything.

1011
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,880
But in reality, I was getting things.

1012
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,960
So for instance, another way to think of this too is I didn't think that I was psychic

1013
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,200
or intuitive or really in touch with energy.

1014
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,640
But what's been happening is the more I pay attention, the more awareness I have, the

1015
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,920
more I peel back the onion, the more I'm like, I always was intuitive.

1016
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,480
I always have been a bit psychic.

1017
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,200
I just didn't recognize it as that.

1018
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:02,960
And so I would give the suggestion of making sure that you ask a question, like that you ask

1019
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,960
for a message when you go in, because it's all again about intention.

1020
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,200
So if you go in and you don't ask for anything, you might very well get nothing.

1021
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,200
Right.

1022
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,800
The other reason I sometimes get nothing is because I am already, I am like a dog after

1023
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,200
a bone, man, I've had my guides tell me through other mediums, like we don't want to give

1024
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,560
you too much because you go after it.

1025
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:28,200
And we need you to slow the F down and just like, chill because I am like, I am very excited

1026
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:34,560
and joyful and just happy to receive the messages and go do the thing because I want to experience

1027
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,160
so much and I see these big visions for myself and for my company.

1028
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,560
And I want to make sure that I don't miss something.

1029
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,240
And so for me, when I don't get a message, it usually means you're already hearing us,

1030
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:46,880
like keep doing what you're doing and just trust yourself.

1031
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,880
Right.

1032
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:48,880
Yeah.

1033
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,720
You capricorn.

1034
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,320
I am a Gemini.

1035
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,360
It was one or the other.

1036
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,360
What are you two?

1037
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,360
I'm a Gemini.

1038
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:00,360
I'm a Cancer.

1039
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,360
Cancer.

1040
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:02,560
I love Cancer too.

1041
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:08,320
How do you know if it's a message or if it's just your monkey mind?

1042
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,320
Right.

1043
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,640
You know, so you're meditating and all of a sudden, like for me, like, oh, the grocery list,

1044
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,640
I got to make sure I go.

1045
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,960
So is that like maybe I'm supposed to go to the store for some reason that's a message?

1046
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,960
Or am I really just thinking I got into the groceries?

1047
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:20,960
Versus shop.

1048
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,160
So again, I would do this for over the course of two weeks and see kind of what comes up consistently.

1049
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,800
For me, that's a doing thing.

1050
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,120
I didn't even get to be doing, doing, doing, doing, doing.

1051
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,120
That's my monkey mind.

1052
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,320
Anything that has to do with like that seems again, kind of illegal.

1053
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,880
Like my brain might be like, okay, yeah, you have 20 things you need to get the grocery

1054
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,880
store after this.

1055
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:38,880
You better go to the grocery store right away.

1056
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,480
And then I have this other voice that's calm, totally chill.

1057
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,480
I'm like, you know what?

1058
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,000
You should go for a walk.

1059
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,120
And my logical brain's like, I don't have an hour for a walk.

1060
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,560
Because we know it takes that long and then I come back and shower and I get, that seems

1061
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,160
totally illogical.

1062
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,960
But that's usually my intuitive self because if I go on that walk, I'm going to have the

1063
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,320
space to actually connect in more and get some other message they want to give me.

1064
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,480
So anything having to do with doing, doing, doing, doing, going, going, going, going,

1065
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,840
going, probably your monkey mind.

1066
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:06,840
Okay.

1067
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,840
I like that though.

1068
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,440
That's like a clear indicator.

1069
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,440
A definitive answer.

1070
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:11,440
I like that.

1071
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:17,040
It feels like I'm not getting very many messages, very many messages because I'm just going

1072
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,040
going to go on.

1073
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,040
I'm going to go on my mind.

1074
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,040
All right.

1075
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,640
No, if someone takes one thing from his conversation, what would you love for that to

1076
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:26,640
be?

1077
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,640
Hmm.

1078
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,800
Probably that you are so much more powerful than you realize.

1079
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,480
You're so much more powerful in it and just time to start playing with it.

1080
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:44,680
And the way to play with it is to take two minutes, ask for a message and then take action

1081
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,320
on whatever it is that you get.

1082
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,320
Whatever it is.

1083
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,320
Yeah.

1084
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,320
All right.

1085
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,480
Well, you heard it here first.

1086
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,000
Sit down for two minutes and by the way, two minutes seems like a short, really short amount

1087
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,000
of time.

1088
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Yeah.

1089
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,560
I do that on purpose because anybody like most people, most people who are still in that

1090
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,560
do, do, do, do, do.

1091
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,600
I'm going to go, go, go, go, place.

1092
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,800
Anything over like three minutes is they don't do it.

1093
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:07,800
Yeah.

1094
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,360
So I try to keep it essentially very simple, very short.

1095
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,040
You could do it in your car because I want people to actually do it.

1096
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:20,240
And yet I can't even drop in the meditate with two minutes, much less, you know, no, ten

1097
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:21,560
minutes, much less, two minutes.

1098
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:27,360
I mean, so is it possible that I'll, like, I guess my point is I don't know if I can

1099
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,840
tame my monkey mind in two minutes.

1100
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:30,840
Mm-hmm.

1101
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,840
How does someone do it?

1102
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,840
We won't, we won't know until you try, right?

1103
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:35,840
Like.

1104
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,640
The interesting thing, the other thing that happens is for most people, when I start coaching

1105
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,120
with them and they do this for the first week or two is they find that they want to be there

1106
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,200
for longer than two minutes because all the Senate starts to feel really good.

1107
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:49,200
Yeah.

1108
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,200
Me, that's it.

1109
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:51,200
Yeah.

1110
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,760
Like, I, I used started out doing, but with a miracle morning, that's the book by Hello

1111
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:54,760
Rod.

1112
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,200
He has you do anywhere between, you know, five minutes to twenty minutes.

1113
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,280
So I started out really simple and I just did five minutes and I found myself all the

1114
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,440
sudden being there for twenty minutes and then thirty minutes and then I was like, whoa,

1115
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,040
I feel like I just got up off the beach in Hawaii.

1116
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,040
Why do I feel so relaxed?

1117
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:16,320
And so once people start to see the ROI with their body of how good it feels, that is what

1118
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,800
we'll get them to come back and do more.

1119
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,240
I don't want it to be coming from me.

1120
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:22,080
I want it to come from them because that's when the change is really going to stick.

1121
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,080
Okay.

1122
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,840
So, so, two minutes is not like definitive.

1123
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,080
They've, if you feel like, if you feel like, at least two minutes.

1124
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:28,720
If you feel like hanging out, you can.

1125
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:29,720
Yeah.

1126
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:33,720
So, I'm going to be able to stop from going from the moment they wake up until 11 o'clock

1127
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:34,720
at night.

1128
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,720
There are some people who don't even breathe.

1129
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:42,360
They have, so I oftentimes I'm working with people who have a very difficult time with

1130
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,840
any sort of change.

1131
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:44,840
Right.

1132
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,840
Right.

1133
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,400
And so, after you're done with your two minutes or however long it is, you say, describe

1134
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,680
it down, write down what message you get.

1135
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,200
Can you just speak it into something instead of writing it down?

1136
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,520
Whatever way is comfortable for people, I encourage them to do whatever works for them.

1137
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,920
Well, for me, it's like a note in my phone because I track a lot of different, like, my dreams

1138
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,600
and stuff in my phone as well.

1139
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:07,600
Okay.

1140
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:12,600
So, I'm going to put out a challenge to all the skeptic musicians, listeners and watchers

1141
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,920
right now.

1142
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:14,920
Let's do this together.

1143
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,440
Now, that would be rad.

1144
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,440
Yeah.

1145
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,800
Let's do this two minutes or however long you're going to do.

1146
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,800
Like, just do it every day.

1147
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,120
But at least two minutes.

1148
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,120
Right.

1149
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,440
Write down whatever message comes to you and then take action and then send us what

1150
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,680
happened.

1151
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,560
I will read if we will read the best ones that we get.

1152
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:32,560
So, let's do that.

1153
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,240
This sounds like a fun, fun challenge.

1154
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:35,240
Yeah.

1155
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:36,240
So, challenge.

1156
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:37,240
And we'll do it too.

1157
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:38,240
Yes.

1158
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:39,240
Oh, absolutely.

1159
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:40,240
Gauntlet has been thrown.

1160
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:41,240
If you're listening to this, you are part of the experiment.

1161
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:43,240
Oh, I got to get away to hear what you guys got.

1162
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:44,240
A petition.

1163
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:45,240
No, no competition.

1164
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:46,240
Not at all.

1165
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:47,240
Not at all.

1166
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:52,880
This is about sharing and experiencing together and encouraging each other to do the things

1167
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:58,280
that we want to do and to live more fully than we are currently living.

1168
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,600
Or you are wonderful.

1169
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:07,840
I love the way that you take a question and you frame the answer in a way that was completely

1170
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,920
different than I had expected you to answer.

1171
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:10,920
And so approachable.

1172
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:11,920
But so perfectly.

1173
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:12,920
Oh, thank you.

1174
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:13,920
Yeah.

1175
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:14,920
So.

1176
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:15,920
Just very kind.

1177
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:16,920
Thank you.

1178
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:17,920
You're wonderful coach.

1179
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:18,920
We even talk.

1180
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:19,920
Let's talk your show.

1181
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,840
I love it when is a podcast that's in the top 10% right now in spirituality.

1182
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,720
So congratulations on your success.

1183
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:26,720
Thank you.

1184
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,360
Which someone expect when they listen to you show?

1185
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:35,920
They should expect to meet and listen to people that maybe they had never heard of before

1186
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,080
or considered ideas before.

1187
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,880
I like to have a wide range of guests who are not all just metaphysical.

1188
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:42,880
It's across the board.

1189
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:48,200
Humans with amazing stories that really push you to be curious and open-minded and take

1190
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,720
action much like kind of how I approach life.

1191
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:51,720
Yeah.

1192
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:52,720
Very good.

1193
00:57:52,720 --> 00:58:03,960
So we're going to add a direct link to your website.

1194
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,560
skepticmanofsitions.com.

1195
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:06,960
Go to her episode page.

1196
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,560
That link will be later near her and show us.

1197
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,400
So it's easy for you to connect.

1198
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:11,400
This has been beautiful.

1199
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,960
Thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your wisdom with us.

1200
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,960
Thank you too so much.

1201
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:15,960
This was awesome.

1202
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:16,960
Yeah.

1203
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:17,960
Absolutely.

1204
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:17,960
We'll see you again soon.

1205
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,960
Bye.

1206
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,460
(siren blaring)

1207
00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:24,460
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