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a full episode of Sense of Soul. Hello, my soul seeking friends,

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mind, heart and soul. It's

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time to awaken. And in today's
episode, we have Jeff Thompson. He

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is a BATHTA winning writer, a
filmmaker, screenwriter, spiritual teacher, prolific

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British author and martial arts expert and
he's joining us today to share his book

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on forgiveness ninety nine Reasons to Forgive
and Revenge eight one. Hi Jeff,

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I'm good, Thank you. Nice
to meet you. Where do you join

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us from? From Stratford upon Avon. Stratford is the birthplace of Shakespeare.

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All of the buildings in Stratford Center
are as they were in Shakespeare's time.

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Oh really nice, Thank you so
much for joining me today. Decided to

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talk about your book and it's something
that we haven't talked about in a long

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time. And I think when it
comes to what holds people back, I

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think of fear often, you know, the fear to forgive. And yeah,

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I do think it's so important because
I think it's such a heavy energy

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that people carry very true forgiveness.
It's a complicated and complex subject. My

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book is offering like a new denotation
on forgiveness. The discussion of forgiveness has

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always been should somebody be forgiven?
And if they should be forgiven, to

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what degree should they be forgiven?
And how many times should be forgive?

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But it's always presuming that means pardon, But forgiveness doesn't mean pardon. We

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haven't got the power to pardon people
as human beings. That's a divine attribute.

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I don't have the power to pardon
you or you to pardon me.

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At the courts don't even have that
power because unless you're contritely remorse, whatever

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sin is in you is not going
to be released. So there's a higher

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power, a reciprocal, omniscient,
omnipotent, omnipresent power that levels the hills

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and fills the valleys. We don't
have that power. What we do have

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the power to do is to give
it over to that power. It's an

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intellectual distinction, but it's the difference
between holding onto something hoping for justice and

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fearing that justice won't come, and
recognizing that justice is already guaranteed. That's

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already guaranteed because it's a reciprocal universe. You know, the law of causation

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settles all the books. Who we
don't have to worry about justice. Justice

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will be served. So because we
hold on to and the ego thinks it's

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got the power, can hold onto
this and by hold the power of over

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whether or not you're pardoned. It's
just a delicious bond or entanglement of energy.

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So between you and whoever it is
that you're holding the resentment for the

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fear, as you say, of
letting go of, it blocks energy.

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It contains energy, fear, anger, resentment, dissonance of these confusions,

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the need for witness, revenge.
That is a living energy, and it

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contains light, but it also blocks
light. It stops the flow of light.

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It actually acts as a filter for
light. So when I was abused

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at the age of eleven by a
beloved teacher, every decision I'm made from

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that point onwards unconsciously, but every
decision I'm made was filtered through the film

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of fear. So that energy holds
light, It filters light, It blocks

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light. It stops the flow of
light, a bit like some fat in

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an archery or in a vein,
how it blocks the flowing and can create

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physical death, we can create spiritual
death. So this book is saying,

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obviously there's lots of great discussions about
forgiveness, but they're they're all centered around

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should someone be forgiven? And who
should be forgiven? Everyone should be forgiven

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everyone, because when we forgive,
we give it over to a power that

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knows how to settle the balls.
And obviously I'm afraid not to forgive,

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as I'm paraphrasing al Ghazali, because
I'm afraid not to be forgiven because i

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know how many things I've done wrong
myself. So karma or reciprocity is a

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fat burg and we all contribute to
it. Everybody. Everybody contributes in their

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own way a little bit. And
if you contribute a little bit, you

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know you're responsible for all of it. So what we learn to do is,

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to quote Gourd Jeff, is to
love everything that breathe. So we

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give over anything that threatens to block
the flow of spiritual light or you could

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call it consciousness or elixir or the
philosopher's stone. There's lots of names for

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this, that could call it the
attractive forces love. A lot of the

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names sound a bit sickly sweet,
but actually it's a very very powerful medicinal,

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creative force that gets hijacked by anger, by fear, by confusion,

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by mv by by gossip, you
know, by all the things we see

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on the newspapers. So I don't
need to concern myself with corrupt politicians,

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with greedy bankers, with violent fundamentalists. The business of the world is not

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my business. As Roomy says,
what fruits do you bring? So the

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business for me of the world is
the business of the soul. It makes

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sure I've got to mention that I
keep this spirit, actual energy flow in

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and don't let it get hijacked and
blocked. As you rightly said at the

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very beginning, the key word fear. There's only one legitimate fear, and

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that's the fear of being disconnected from
our source, disconnected from God. That's

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the only legitimate fear. All other
fears non fears, They're not real.

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So if we allow a parasitical force
or a virus, or a samuel autonomous

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thought form or a pain body as
Ecartes only would call it, if we

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allow it to take over our autonomy
by blocking us with fear, we no

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longer have autonomy. We have another
force working through us and creating karma in

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the world for us that we will
have to meet at some point. So

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I'll come back to what room,
he said again, forget the business of

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the world. What fruits are you
bringing? I need to make sure that

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what I think, I say,
I do comes from a place of love.

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It is wisdom and with love,
that's the practice, that's the work.

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And that's difficult because most people can't
even go a day without having a

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negative opinion, without gossiping, without
thinking or saying or doing. Something can

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kind, even if it's only a
little thing, even if it's only like

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a venal sin still adds to the
fat bird channel, you know. So

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for me, the work is always
on the self. The world is a

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distraction. All of these cartoon villains
that portrayed on our television, they are

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there to entice and to capture our
energy. By given us outrage and given

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us fear. First of all,
we bring ourselves back to balance, and

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then we can contribute to the world. Then we can chip away at the

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fat bird. We can either be
neutral and just observe, or we can

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just add love to everything we do. That will chip away at it.

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And I feel that when you are
basically kept hostage by such energies that are

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living within your it is really truly
the freedom and the seignty that you feel

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for the self as you forgive some
mine. So really, forgiving someone I

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have found is actually for myself.
Yeah, it's always for you because it

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captures your energy, hijacks it,
and the worst thing is it takes out

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your autonomy. You no longer have
free will. While you hold any resentment

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to anybody else, you are bound
to them. It's like a like a

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tube connecting the two of you.
You are quantumly entangled, and the two

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of you can't be seen as separate. So even over time and space,

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even if you're separated by a time
and space, even if you're separated by

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death, that person can still climb
inside you, or that parasite that they've

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left in you, that energy,
that thought form, and it can still

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take over. So somebody that abuses
you thirty years ago, even if they're

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dead, they can still be abusing
your naw because they've left that virus in

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your So forgiveness is the antibody that
climbs in and FI and I wouldn't say

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it kills it. I'll say it
converts it. So in Judaism, the

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philosophy or the theology and Judaism is
not that we killed darkness or kill evil.

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It's that we recognize that it contains
light and we convert it to light,

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or that it contains consciousness and we
convert it to consciousness, so it's

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no longer filtering our pure energy through
it. If you imagine it's like I

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think in judaismly call it the clipot. It's like a darkness that has several

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layers of darkness surrounding this piece of
this tincture of light, this tincture of

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wisdom or God. And when we
forgive it, we give it over the

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nature of the fear as liberated,
and the effulgence comes over to us and

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we expand in consciousness. So each
time we forgive somebody, we take our

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our time and be back a little
bit more and a little bit more.

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So this is saying to people two
things. One, this isn't about my

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sorry story of abuse. This is
the saying to people, there is life

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after abuse, There is knowledge after
abuse, there is consciousness. You can

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go up a grade after abuse because
the abuse I suffered put me on a

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journey of discovery. I wanted to
know why or suffering. I wanted to

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know why I've got no autonomy.
So it sent me on this deep dive

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of study to find out what reality
really was. And every time I overcame

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a fear, And every time I
forgave somebody or gave that over that was

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liberated, I let them go.
It could no longer feed off me.

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They had to go and look after
their own repentant and I literally expanded.

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So the world I look at today
out of my window, it's not the

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world I looked at when I was
possessed by one of these parasites at the

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age of twenty three, when I
was self harming, sexually self harming and

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being violent in the world, either
being violent or being depressed. The world

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I look at now, I'm living
in a Grade two listed barn conversion one

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hundred yards from where Shakespeare was married. That is not a change of location,

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Charlo. That's a change of perception. And perception can only change if

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we convert the old perceptions, the
old beliefs, the old angers into light.

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And again, when you say light, it can sound that very kind

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of socks and sandals. But when
you think about it as consciousness or awareness

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or a lixa, this has an
absolutely life transforming power, and it's available

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to everybody. But at the moment
it's being bled by the vampire of anger,

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of injustice, or the sense of
injustice. But there can't be an

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injustice in a reciprocal world. There
can't be. There is always, there

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will always be justice eventually, So
I don't worry about him over there being

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outed and me having witnessed revenge your
justice. I concentrate on the corrupt policy

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tian in me. I concentrate on
the greedy banker in me. The violent

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fundamental state are there? You know, some of them as Christna murty,

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which set our thousands of years old. You know we've inherited them. It's

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a genetic curse. But it's also
a genetic gift because if we recognize that

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each of these beliefs, each of
these angers, each of these outrages,

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contains light, and that light is
being consumed in us by these feelings,

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we can convert that light, have
the effulgence for ourselves. We can confront

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these demons. We can absorb ninety
nine of the darkness so it spills back

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out and retain the light. That
way, you can genuinely have autonomy.

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If you're going to watch the television
screen and feel outraged the moment you see

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this politician or that banker, or
that celebrity or this person, if you

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feel outrage or anger or judgment every
time you see it, you have to

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remember that your autonomy has just been
stolen. Literally, your cause or body

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has been taken over, and it's
actually as you and through you in the

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world. So sevenal time of thought
forms are climbing inside you and they're feeding

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off the food bank called Jeff Thompson
or whoever you are. So we don't

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allow that. We recognize the rules, recognize the laws who recognize that our

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battle isn't really with people. Our
battle is with principalities, to paraphrase Saint

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Paul, with dark forces. They
are out there, just like the forces

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of electricity are out there. And
these forces can be seen as in the

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enemy if you want to see them
as in enemy, or you can look

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at them and go, well,
if I can convert that those enemies,

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that those forces that are in me, I can create light from that,

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I can actually benefit from this.
There is a massive amount of energy in

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there. So there's some kid out
there now who's been abused and being been

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mistreated. What I'm saying to them
is all that energy you're feel inside with

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that rage, you know that depression, you know that sense of injustice,

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that need for witness revenge. That's
a massive energy that you can convert.

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Now it's cash in the bank.
They've given you that to you, and

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if you can let them go and
trust in reciprocity, trust in justice,

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it is there. Trusting it.
You only have to watch. You watch

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to tell you for twelve months these
days, you're watching people being brought to

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justice again and again and again.
Even the most powerful, even royalty,

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even people at the very top of
you know, of politics, are being

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brought to justice again and again and
again. We need to just concern ourselves.

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If we're talking about truth and reconciliation, which we are about truth and

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reconciliation needs to occur in us.
If we're talking about equality, there needs

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to be an equality in us,
not some lower elements and some higher elements.

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If we're talking about the wealth devari
you know, we need to find

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that. We need to find that
balance in us because there are parts of

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us that are poor with knowledge and
ignorant, and the parts of us that

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are rich in knowledge, and that
those that equality or that wealthy divide needs

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to be balanced within us. And
when we get that right, the world

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will mysteriously look after itself. That
would be nice. Well it's there,

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and I wouldn't ask anybody to believe
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I'm trying to prove. My word
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to research. It's something you need
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rigor, you know, and to
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But where is that energy. It's
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Our energy is so watered down by
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and all the covenants we've taken out
with different beliefs, that we haven't got

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the energy to challenge reality. So
the Buddhists say that we first have to

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recapture all our energy by breaking those
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challenge, to go beyond the stratosphere
of old perception and find a new level

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of living, a new level of
belief. And then when you find it

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for yourself. It's a certainty.
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which means the truth is undy and
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one of the ninety nine names of
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an attribute of God. In other
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of tincture of wisdom, it contains
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certainty about something, nothing can take
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It's very powerful, but we have
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to fight against the ten thousand beliefs
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that are all subjective, that are
rule full of anger, that rule

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full of hate or judgment, or
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all of those delicious things that parasites
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to play that game. We don't
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anybody out there who's suffering, now
you can begin the end of your suffering

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by no longer engaging the anger,
no longer identifying with the anger, no

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longer no longer taking that thought and
letting it incarnate. That the probably the

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best book in the world at the
moment for this specific technique if you want

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to go directly to it is that
cart Totally's book, The Power of Now.

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It's a book about exercising what he
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energies that seed off our life force, and his technique is basically the whole

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of Buddhism. It's based on dependent
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at the level of engagement. If
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no life. If we don't identify
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They wander around the stratosphere in their
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or identify with them, when we
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they take over our body. We
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and then the appslues in the world
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we go I don't know what happened. It wasn't myself. It was out

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of character. I don't know why
I did it. I have no idea

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why I did that. And it's
because it wasn't us, because we haven't

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got any defense against it, because
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or it just enters like an open
pantry the practice. I want to

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excite people out there and say to
the practice is all within you. It's

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an inside job. You won't fix
it by fixing that politician, that banker,

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that neighbor, that barking dog.
All of it can be fixed in

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you. So people are trying to
fix the world at the level of the

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screen, but you won't fix the
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You've got to come back to the
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And the film is us. That's
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our concepts are belief. It's a
big job, but it's singular.

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It's just within you. I agree. You said that very beautiful. The

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Power of Now the New Earth is
one of my favorite books, probably my

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most recommended, and you said it
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I always say that it's a great
way to stop sitting in other people's ship

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with them and allowing them to sit
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yourself to be angry at somebody,
you are bound to the nature of your

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anger. You're entangled with them.
The way to disentangle is to say I

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don't I'm not going to do that
does it come from a place of wisdom

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and love? No, then don't
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do it. You have the power
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What I like about our Cart's book
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different faith and it's come up with
a single thing that we can all do,

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which is we can choose what we
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engage, what we don't choose to
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But it's a very muscular book.
It's an entry level book offering you

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an Olympic level technique. It needs
practice. If you're not going to change

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the world, if you can't change
your own waist side, if you're getting

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tapped out by cigarettes and red wine
ten times a day, by judgment or

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by unqualified opinion, if you can't
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will be very difficult. But that's
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go, well, if this magic
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then let's prove it on my body. You know? Have I got

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autonomy? And by being defeated every
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I'm not worried about the foods people
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It's not what they're eating. Because
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our food, our food body permeates
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bodies. It compromises the will force, and the will force the causal body

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or the bliss body, is the
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soul. It's the closest to the
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the Christian Bible or the kingdom.
So if you let any kind of other

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force take over your kingdom, you
haven't got a kingdom. It will let

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you think you're in charge. But
every time you want to overreach, you

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run to the pantry. Every time
you want to watch sexual pornography or violent

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pornography or gossip. You know,
this thought form takes over your autonomy and

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goes and does it. A Cart's
book is a very beautiful and gentle introduction

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to this. I would say it's
the best book in the world. To

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go directly to this. You need
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that's exciting because the world is insoluble
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So we don't know how to fix
it. So we cast judgments or we

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give money to charity, but it
doesn't fix anything because the issue is back

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here. It's not we're not trying
to fix the world. We're trying to

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come back to the projector and we're
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might mean to challenging thousands of years
of culture, thousands of years of belief

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perception. It might mean going to
ent to our family and friends and the

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people around you, because they're quite
happy to sit in that ship. But

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I'm not and you're not. So
let's change it. But let's prove it

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to ourselves. Can I take my
clothes off and stand in front of the

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mirror and go, I've made this
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am in charge of my physical body. I'm in charge of my breath body,

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I'm in charge of my mind all
intellect. I can make it do

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the work it needs to do in
order for me to expand and in order

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for me to contract ego and expand
consciousness. The people bypass the things that

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are right in front of us because
I think they're not important. But if

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the devil's going to enter anywhere,
he's going to enter at the level of

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food, because that sits in the
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Ain't suit a bit like poison in
a well. You know, eventually

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it affects the whole village, doesn't
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yeah, this is important. You
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Of course it is. If I
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it's going to come out dirty.
That's just standard. And that's what

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we are. We're a tabernacle,
We're a hose. We're a vessel for

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the light of God, for the
light of consciousness. And it needs to

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keep flowing. There's a lovely line
from Roomy. He says, the water

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wheel receives the water and gives it
all the way weeping. That's the only

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way it stays in the garden.
So we have to receive this energy and

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keep it flowing and keep giving it
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greedily. We're not jealous husbands.
We keep it moving. We don't let

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it get polluted by anger, by
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We take control of all our bodies
and we go I don't understand this,

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okay, Well that's a great darma
gate. I don't understand this. That's

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a darma gate. Let's go through
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and we can start to learn.
Moment you open that gate, you will

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be noticed. There'll be angelic forces
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Intelligence is that will go this is
Jeff or this is Shanna. This is

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what she wants to do, and
this is what she wants to learn,

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and this is the pace you can
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her because it benefits them to assist
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assist the people that maybe that are
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you. So it's exciting for all
the people out there who may be suffering

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because I'm saying to them, you're
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Turn into it, investigate it,
be curious about it. The brain has

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a very strange quirt where it can't
deal with fear and curiosity at the same

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time. So be curious about your
fear. Be curious about that depression that's

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stopping you from expanding. No,
is it really that powerful? You know,

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how long is it going to sit
around if you actually turn into it?

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If instead of running away from it
and covering it with medication or with

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alcohol or with wherever you cover it
with, why not turn into it?

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And so come in, have a
sit down, have a cup of tea,

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stay as long as you want.
This is Eco's technique. Who's the

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moister of this? M Yeah,
definitely, you know. And as you're

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saying this, what's arising as I
scan through some inventory of what I may

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have thought I'd forgive it? Sometimes
we think we did forgive, or we

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say we actually do forgive, but
yet there's this resentment and bitterness that still

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resides within. And one of mine
recently husband against my religion so that I

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was born into. And you know, I definitely feel like I have.

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You know, religious trauma syndrome or
RTS is the new term. And you

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know, as much as I can
say, oh I think piece of this

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or whatever, I'm still very angry
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Do you find sometimes we're just saying
we forgive things, but actually at the

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core we have not. Yeah.
I look about a friend recently and he

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said, I've forgiven my mom and
dad, he said, but I'll never

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forget. I will never forget.
I said, So you're still angry at

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them. And he goes, well, well, I'm never going to forget

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it. I said, so you're
feeding it and starving it at the same

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time. Your parasite has let you
believe you've forgiven, but you're having You're

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still feeding it. I said,
you can't feed it and starve it at

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the same time. You know,
I said, if you've made any mistakes,

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He goes, yeah, a lot. And I says, do you

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want to be forgiven? And this
is yeah. I said, well you'll

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be forgiven to the degree that you
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And I don't obviously I don't know
your trauma, but I'm looking at religion

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generally. The revealed books are binary. You know, it's like yes,

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no, right, wrong, this
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That's the binary revealed Bible. But
there is a quantum Bible. There's

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a hidden Bible beyond that, which, when you go into it, automatically

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recognizes you. Now, all the
stuff we see in religion that repels us,

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that pushes us away is the house
ghost. It says, don't come

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here, there's fire and thorn's here. Don't come here unless you're serious.

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Unless you're serious about the business of
perception and changing reality, you don't come

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here because we're just going to scare
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You know. So most people are
scared away by the Binary Book, which

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is can be quite insulting in its
assertion of certain things. But when you

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go beyond that and you go through
that diamond game, you hit the hidden

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books, the esoteric. It isn't
any of those things. You might go

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into the Old Testament and then you've
got the Tour Run, and then you've

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got the Zoha, then you've got
the Tanya. You've got all of these

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great commentaries on these books, and
go into something like the Zohar, for

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instance, which is the commentary on
the exegesis of the Tour of the Old

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Testament, and the Zohar is quantum. You might go through there and not

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understand anything, but your soul will
understand it, will read it like a

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bar code. You might not understand
any of it, but the devil will

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understand you, just like you might
not understand an antibiotic, but the virus

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will understand it. Okay about that, So you go into these books,

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you might read and take fifty notes
that are all disparate, they don't really

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connect. But when you bring those
notes together and then do notes on the

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notes and notes on the notes on
the notes, you'll end up with You'll

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end up with a single concept nucleus, like an acorn that you can open

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and grow that has the potential to
become five hundred years old, two hundred

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foot high, and produce another million
acorns with the same potential. That's what

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one single concept nucleus can do.
So that's in the very bibles we reject

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and we reject on because the house
ghosts of whatever it is. You know,

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obviously there's been lots of abuses and
lots of fundamentalism in all of the

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religions, but they're still house ghosts. If we go beyond that, if

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we're serious and we go beyond that, you'll end with the Diameadgate. Well,

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I went into the Zohar. It
took me six months of full time

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reading to finish. It's twenty six
volumes. I had seventy pages of notes,

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which I reduced to one word.
One word, breath. But that

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one word is a concept nucleus.
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stone. It was just a library
of more interesting things. So I started

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to explore that, started to go
into the different levels of breath, like

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the oxygen in the food, the
primer in the breath, which is for

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the lower and highest soul, and
then for the highest soul you've got the

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00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.519
tinctures of wisdom, which you can
only get when you've got the lower souls

406
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:36.240
connected. So you know, the
single nucleus led me on to a whole.

407
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At the moment, I'm writing a
book that so far as four hundred

408
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:45.960
and fifty thousand words long, just
from these tiny single nucleuses. So if

409
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you go into the Hidden Bible,
all of that stuff is disappeared. It

410
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:55.240
will just say this is Jeff,
Well, this is Shanna, this is

411
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:59.319
what she needs to see, and
your message is hidden in there. Nobody

412
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:03.039
else could find find it because it
has your blueprint, it has your DNA

413
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.519
on it. Literally nobody could find
it. It's hidden. It's only it

414
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.960
would only be revealed to you,
and it will only be revealed to you

415
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:15.839
if you're able to control the ego
enough and use the ego energy as fuel

416
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.279
for the volition of the work,
because it will be very demanded. I

417
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.359
would say to people, don't let
three letters God repel you. Don't let

418
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:27.000
religion repel you. Don't let people
tell you that religion is responsible for this

419
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:32.799
and responsible of that. That's all
house ghosts, that's all exterior stuff in

420
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:37.160
a binary book. When you go
into the quantum book, into the hidden

421
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:42.640
book, it is magical. It
is so mysterious, and it's so absolutely

422
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.519
personal and individual to you, and
it will tell you what you want to

423
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.440
see if you're ready to see it. But you need to be ready for

424
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:55.480
that because when you see the truth, as Esculus says, knowledge is painful

425
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:57.799
because you're going to look at it
and go, oh, yeah, I'm

426
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.519
not as smart as a thought to
I'm not as far ahead as a thought

427
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.759
to was. That's my betterness started. I've been studying the Gnostic Gospels and

428
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:10.599
his toes Sophia is really my main
study and have it hold side podcast on

429
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.839
it. Are you still stuck with
it? Do you still have a resentment

430
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:22.640
as I begin to meet a new
Jesus, new perspectives, new concepts,

431
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:30.440
and even found some beauty and saw
it in between the words in the Bible.

432
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:37.759
Yeah, but there's still so much
dogma that I feel angry about and

433
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:45.799
sometimes I still do. What has
been hidden has become my purpose to reveal

434
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:52.759
and uncover, and what voices had
been stolen is now my purpose to speak

435
00:32:52.920 --> 00:33:00.480
for those who piant or for those
who have lost their voice. And definitely

436
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:06.680
the Divine, Feminine and the Gnostic
gospels in the Bible, but obvious,

437
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.240
but there is still some bitterness that
I have to work on. This is

438
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:15.839
something that truly I think that's why
you know they have turned it as a

439
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.680
trauma syndrome because it is such traumatic. You know, I was going to

440
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.920
be this before I was born,
for generations and generations deeply rooted in me,

441
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.839
and so I'm going against something that
is in me physically, but yet

442
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:37.440
is a burning desire within me to
speak on it, and that's why I

443
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:42.119
have my podcast. But it is
something that is still within me, because

444
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.480
like you said, you have to
be quiet enough to listen to the body

445
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:50.680
and saying what's arising in me?
And as soon as I do speak of

446
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.279
it, there is a burning.
There's something still very you know, strong

447
00:33:54.319 --> 00:34:00.640
in there, and so in that
they still have me. Agine a light

448
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:06.039
bulb positive force, negative force,
and then you put a filament between the

449
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:09.400
two creates light. Once you put
the filament between the two, there's no

450
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:15.079
positive, no negative. There's just
opposing energies that are connected by an isthmus

451
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:21.440
that we have to become animus.
While we're still angry, we fall into

452
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:25.000
the left and we're not connected to
the light. While we're too positive two

453
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:30.960
socks and sandals, too sickly sweet, we're not connected to our own dark

454
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:37.079
side. Roomy says, there is
a field beyond good action and wrong a

455
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.519
good action and bad action, between
right action and wrong action. I'll meet

456
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:45.039
you there. So you imagine good
action bad action, and then this field

457
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:50.960
of light that's created by the soul
as it places itself as the isthmus between

458
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.199
the two creates light. To create
light, we have to burn. This

459
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:59.840
is something the victor what's his name? The guy that a man searching,

460
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.960
meaning that you said that those who
heal must burn. But it's a literal

461
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.880
thing. We have to have the
negative and we have to have the positive.

462
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:13.760
But when we connect them together by
this filament or this firmament of the

463
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:15.400
soul, when we put the soul
between the two, which is what we're

464
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:20.400
doing now, there'll be part of
us that really want to do this podcast

465
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:23.039
and part of us that's afraid of
it because of all the things it might

466
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:28.480
bring and all the criticism it might
bring. When we place ourselves between those

467
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.519
two forces and do the podcast,
we're creating light. There's no darkness and

468
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:36.079
light in this room. There is
just light. There's no good and bad.

469
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:38.519
So the idea is that it's not
that we get rid of the darkness

470
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:43.760
and not that we say it has
me. We just go that's still there.

471
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.360
I haven't quite got the control of
it yet, So I just need

472
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:51.719
to temper my soul or temper my
will force a bit more so I can

473
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:55.039
actively sit between those two forces and
burn. But to do that, we

474
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:58.880
need to be tempered, and to
be tempered, we need to go through

475
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.039
the station of the Cross, you
know, where we prepare the body to

476
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:06.920
receive this light. Otherwise we're going
to be like you know, one hundred

477
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.480
what light wolves that are trying to
take in a thousand watts. We're just

478
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:14.079
going to blow, aren't me.
I think when you were speaking that I

479
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.800
felt this energy move up to my
throat. Okay, when you're a taking

480
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.559
immediately, I almost felt like I
wanted to cry I mean, you cracking

481
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.320
my voice. This is energy that
needs to be released. So I mean,

482
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.519
I'm going to push it down just
for the purpose of this interview.

483
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:36.679
But it is something that is trying
to come out in me. Maybe that's

484
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:40.920
all that's needed that I have to
have a good freaking cry about it and

485
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.920
let it out. You know,
I need to give myself that space.

486
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.079
But you know, if you are
present, listen and feel, you know

487
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.079
what's happening within you. I mean, it's all there. Yeah, my

488
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.760
throat was just like, oh,
I could just h and I wanted to

489
00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.400
cry. That's the sign of the
Holy Dove off. The Holy Spirit is

490
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:05.920
defeminine energy. It's the energy that
comes down and coaches the soul. It

491
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.440
christs, It layers it and layers
it so that we're able to be stronger

492
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:15.599
filaments for the energy of love.
You can't just take this energy in and

493
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.280
put it back out again. If
there's lots of corruptions in our body is

494
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.880
still, if there's lots of unhealed
wounds, you know, those things need

495
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:24.920
to be lying first. Otherwise it's
you know, it's just going to move

496
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.079
through and it's going to do damage. So what we do is something.

497
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:32.119
Saint Francis says, we do the
necessary if that's all we can do,

498
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.880
and then we do the possible.
But we do all of it, and

499
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.920
then we'll find out the impossible will
start to look after itself. So you're

500
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.920
talking about this energy. When I
had that energy the same as you.

501
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.800
It came out in depressions because it
kept pushing it down. Or it came

502
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:52.280
out in rage. It came out
in self harm, It came out in

503
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:57.519
sexual self harm. Later it came
out in violence once I started to control

504
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.639
it and see that it wasn't my
enemy, wasn't a harbiner of doom.

505
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:06.280
It was a messenger of hope once
I started to notice it. Of so

506
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:12.119
far, I've written I don't know
fifty books, fifteen films, stage plays.

507
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.519
I did a musical two years ago
based on the bag of a guitar.

508
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.880
I am a prolific writer. I'm
a prolific speaker. All the energy

509
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:25.960
we talked about, it's not incandescent. So an incandescent ball loses ninety percent

510
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.079
of its light to heat. Because
it's incandescent, it just goes everywhere.

511
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:36.000
That's how I was before, But
now I am an led light. My

512
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.320
energy goes through the soul what I
call directional light. So it all goes

513
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:45.559
into words like this and worked like
this, and books and articles or meditation

514
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.519
and prayer. There is nothing that's
going to leave my thought, my math,

515
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.480
or my actions that does not accord
with wisdom and love. I'm going

516
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:58.480
to make mistakes the same as everybody, but I'm going to capture it very

517
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:04.679
quickly because I have watches around me
who helped me to noticeify for all out

518
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:09.400
of alignment. So your energy is
massive, and it's beautiful because it wants

519
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:14.679
to be expressed. But if you
want to be christed, in other words,

520
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.880
if you want to be magnified by
a thousand, we need to make

521
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:22.199
sure we're tempered and ready for that. We're still being defeated by the little

522
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.239
temptations in our life, We're not
going to cope with the big temptations.

523
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:30.320
If we're still being tripped up by
the mundane, we're not going to do

524
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:36.519
very well with the magical. This
is a powerful and beautiful force, but

525
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:38.559
if we're not prepared for it,
we're just not going to receive it.

526
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:43.000
So that's why I encourage people to
do the things that are right in front

527
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.719
of them the necessary. If that's
all you can do, then the possible,

528
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:51.599
but do all of the possible.
Then the magical and the impossible will

529
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:53.800
notice you, and it will alight
with you, and it will bring you

530
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:59.239
the right teachers, You'll bring you
the right podcasts. It's not enough to

531
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:02.519
listen to a podcast like this and
be fed by it. That's not enough.

532
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:06.679
You need to go out and you
need to be muscular. You need

533
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.000
to do the work again. I
know I'm here to promote my book,

534
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.920
but if you look at Eckhart's book, he's a very muscular book and saying

535
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.000
this is how you can control your
vessel so that you can be the person

536
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:22.440
that conducts this energy. And if
it's rising up, absolutely it's rising up

537
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:24.960
because the spirit in the room.
That's what we've done. We've created a

538
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.119
proximity that will repel some energies and
drawing other energies. It will repel some

539
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:34.360
energies because they're going to be converted
by it, and it will draw other

540
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.880
energies in because they want to be
converted. That we have the power.

541
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:44.280
If we're able to master this tabernacle, and that's the necessary impossible, then

542
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.880
this beautiful impossible energy will work through
us, and we could be sat in

543
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:54.119
a room anonymously and that room or
that house, or that town or that

544
00:40:54.280 --> 00:41:00.440
city can be healed just because we're
there, Just because we're there. That's

545
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.320
the power of this force. The
soul has the power to encompass the whole

546
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.840
world if we were able to make
ourselves the right vessel to contain it.

547
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:13.119
And it won't beat us. It
won't be Jeff Thompson or Channa. It

548
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:17.079
will be the spirit working through us. That's worth getting up every morning for.

549
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:21.039
That's worth getting out of bed in
the morning for. And that's the

550
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.320
work. And the work isn't going
to be about getting him right over there

551
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:28.519
or making sure that this person sees
just as the work is just going to

552
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.119
be on ourselves. That's what's exciting. We can do this work from our

553
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:35.880
front room. You know. One
thing that came up for me just now

554
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:40.239
also when you were speaking, that
sometimes these things are unconscious. I mean,

555
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:45.079
I've shared a story with my listeners
that when I was eleven years old,

556
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:50.159
I was specially abused, but for
some reason, I felt like it

557
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.760
just didn't bother me like it did
other people. I don't know why this

558
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.000
is what I used to say.
Yeah, Now, as they beginning my

559
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.679
healing journey and making space, as
coming more aware, and as I'm reading

560
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.880
Ekart's book and I'm getting healthier,
all of a sudden there was this night

561
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.480
where it came to me and I
realized it had been controlling me unconsciously.

562
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.199
My body is actually what told me. So I was laying in bed and

563
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:22.159
my partner he woke me up and
my body went tense, which it always

564
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:24.559
would if I was woken up,
and I'd get so angry and I'd be

565
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:29.599
like, get it over with,
yeah, and then but I always was

566
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:31.639
like that, but I never knew
why. And then all of a sudden

567
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:37.440
I remembered I didn't think this bothered
me, yea, And here it had

568
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:44.880
been living in me all this time, reacting and I was unconscious to it.

569
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.519
So then I told my partner I'm
going to do some work on this.

570
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.360
I know exactly why, and you
know, and I did, and

571
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:53.519
I said, you're going to have
to wake me up again, and we're

572
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:55.800
gonna have to try, and he
said, oh my god, I woke

573
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:07.320
up. It really had to beg
of them too. It doesn't happen anymore

574
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.199
because I now I know I'm safe, and that's what I said. I

575
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:14.239
and he even validate. We talked
about this because you know I would never

576
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.440
hurt you. I'm like, I
know. But my body, the memory,

577
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:24.119
the wombing farma, had not been
nourished. It has not been carriage

578
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:30.440
for loved and forgiven, really truly, and once I was able to,

579
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:34.880
it was just such a big moment
in my life, very courageous. I

580
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:39.239
was free from something I wasn't even
aware of. Yeah, that's very true.

581
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:43.159
A lot of it is unconscious because
we're afraid to look at it because

582
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:45.920
we don't know what it means.
The biggest thing with the abuse arg when

583
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.679
I was a kid was confusion.
I absolutely was cognitively dissonant. So part

584
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:55.159
of me just abandoned my old self
and kind of moved on and then built

585
00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:00.360
an armory around it, built a
tank around it, built all this war

586
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:05.280
paint and my body and took away
all the prettiness from my face because I

587
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:09.360
was a pretty kid and built up
this huge body and I could kill in

588
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:15.360
thirty languages. I became a master
martial artists because I was unconsciously trying to

589
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.639
protect myself. And when I understood
it. I wrote about it, So

590
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:23.880
my individuation process came mostly through the
writing. I was able to release it

591
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:28.199
a bit out of time, and
every time I released it, nothing was

592
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.480
killed. It was just converted.
The lighting. It was a gift.

593
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:35.920
It was converted. That's when they're
saying judaism. If you ever see anybody

594
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.199
that's harmed you, I chase after
them and serve them because they have something

595
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:43.360
to give yours and you need it
back and you have something of theirs.

596
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.199
So you give them back their parasite
and you take back your autonomy. And

597
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.639
you do that by injuring them,
and you injure them by telling them the

598
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:53.960
truth. You go, well,
you did, wasn't acceptable that even if

599
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:59.000
you'd only do this in your mind, because whether it's internal or external,

600
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.119
it's the same. Everything is connected. So it's more powerfully if you can

601
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:07.199
go into your mind and if it's
at a state of like telling somebody how

602
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:08.800
you feel, then you tell them
in your mind. If it's at the

603
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.960
level of repentance and you've made a
mistake like I have, then you go

604
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:15.760
to God in your mind or to
your highest soul and you just go,

605
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:22.159
I see this, this happened on
my watch, and I take full responsibility,

606
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.199
and I accept the consequences, and
I'm contritely remorseful, and I don't

607
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:29.760
do that anymore, and I wouldn't
do that again. And I'm asking for

608
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:35.480
mercy. A mercy comes from the
old word. I think it's mercicrous,

609
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:40.239
but it just basically means exchange.
So I'm going to give you my contrite

610
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:45.119
remorse. I'm going to give it
over to God and he will exchange it

611
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.960
for consciousness. He will take that
and clean it and give me consciousness.

612
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.239
So it takes a lot of courage
to do what you did. I really

613
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.599
admire you, and to do what
you're doing now to do podcasts like this,

614
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:00.079
I know from my own journey.
So I made a lot of mistakes

615
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:06.320
because I was so damaged. I
ended up going into becoming a nightclub bounce,

616
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:08.599
and I was very violent for a
long time because I thought I was

617
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:14.480
protecting the world, but I was
just causing more damage. So I've had

618
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.719
to really clean that, you know, And a lot of that cleaning was

619
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:23.400
done through what you would call spiritual
fasting. And spiritual fasting is no longer

620
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:29.920
engaging or eating those kinds of foods, those subtle foods, and also fasting

621
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.800
in the sense of charity. So
I would go and talk to prisoners in

622
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.440
jail, where I'd go and talk
to people who were troubled. I'd go.

623
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:39.920
I went all around the country doing
tours. But basically my talks were

624
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:44.760
confessional. My talks were like,
this was how I fasted. I said

625
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.159
to people, I've made all of
these mistakes, but look, I'm living

626
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:53.280
a great life now because I've repented. And to repent means just really really

627
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:59.000
means to repair. It means to
return to love. It means we've fallen

628
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.719
out of alignment, would become divided
and divided again. It means that we're

629
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:07.119
becoming unitary again. It means we're
becoming singular, we're coming back to our

630
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.800
own geometric point. So it means
to repair, or to return to love,

631
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:15.039
or to find refuge. In Buddhism, refuges the buddha or the dama,

632
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:19.480
the sangha in other words, the
teaching, the teacher, and the

633
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.239
community, which is what we're amongst. That's what refuge is. So it's

634
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:28.280
really just about this greater energy saying
I want to connect. I want you

635
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:32.280
to reconnect with me, that's what
religion means. Religion means it comes from

636
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:37.559
the word, reallygar it means to
reconnect man to man, man to his

637
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.119
source. So he said, I
want you to reconnect, and I'm going

638
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:44.960
to help me to remove these blockages
gently a little bit at a time.

639
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:50.039
But you need to be courageous.
So we do this talk and write the

640
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:54.280
books and do the films. My
stuff especially has been very confessional, because

641
00:47:54.400 --> 00:48:00.280
that's how I turn darkness so that
it becomes a light. Not that it

642
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:04.559
becomes light, but it becomes a
light. So I convert the spirit or

643
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.079
the spark of wisdom that's in it, and I give it out to the

644
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:13.320
world and it is planeted like a
seed. So what is exposed to light

645
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:19.039
becomes a light. Once we've done
this podcast, because we're working on a

646
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:23.400
very congruent spiritual level, what we're
saying will become a light and it will

647
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:27.760
be there forever. It will be
in the Acacia forever. Maybe it'll be

648
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:30.280
on the Internet forever, but it'd
be in the Acacia forever because we've spoken

649
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:35.480
it and it's come from love.
And at some point some kid might access

650
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.840
this video up four in the morning
when he's cold with sweat, and he

651
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:43.159
feels like he can't go on.
He feels like he can't overcome his darkness,

652
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.960
and he feels like he could never
be forgiven himself or heathen. But

653
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:52.880
he can. The repentant is welcomed
with the fatted calf because he's got so

654
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.320
much darkness in that can be converted
to light. Of course, his return,

655
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.440
his course, his return is welcome. There's nobody that can't return,

656
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:05.360
there's nobody that can't heal. And
I will live in proof of that because

657
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.599
I may present here as a middle
aged, bold, in articulate man,

658
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:14.519
but I was hugely violent for a
long time. I was not a kind

659
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:19.079
person in so many respects, And
this is something I've spoken about in all

660
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:23.920
the books I've written. But I
live a beautiful life now because I refuse

661
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:30.480
to allow any negativity into this tabernacle. I refuse forgiving the self. I

662
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:36.840
feel like that usually is the toughest
one. We can often forgive other people,

663
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:42.719
it's forgiving the self that is sometimes
the hardest. Yeah, we don't

664
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.960
love ourselves unconditionally. Yeah, Again, we have to recognize that we haven't

665
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:49.960
got the power to forgive ourselves.
We haven't got that power. It's not

666
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.760
a human power. We have the
power to repent. When I was studying

667
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:57.760
for this book, this is nineteen
nine reasons to Forgive, I said to

668
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.199
God in my prayers, I don't
understand and forgiveness. I've done it,

669
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.800
and I know the metaphysical power of
it, but I don't know how to

670
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:07.400
articulate it to people. I just
don't know how to articulate it, and

671
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.199
I'm not convincing people. I want
to help people because I've experienced it and

672
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:15.119
it's so free him, but I
couldn't articulate it. This book came as

673
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:19.320
a direct response to my request.
Wasn't just the book the book downloaded,

674
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:23.440
but also led me towards one hundred
and ten hours of lecture from the Tanya,

675
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:29.119
which is one of the commentary books
on the Torah from the Judate faith,

676
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.679
and it was nearly all about repentance. It was basically saying, you

677
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:37.440
can't forgive yourself. That's why you're
struggling with it, and that's why you're

678
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.480
cognitive dissonant, that's why you're going
around the circles. But you can repent,

679
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:44.559
so you can give it over to
a higher power. But you can

680
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:47.440
only do that if you are contritely
remorse, and if you're contritely remorse,

681
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:51.760
you don't need anybody else to say
it's okay. You just go to that

682
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.559
higher power and you say, this
is what I did, and I own

683
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:57.920
all of it. I own all
of it. You know. I may

684
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.440
have been violent because I was displaced
in my anger, but I still did

685
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:05.119
it, so I own that.
I accept that responsibility for that, and

686
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.360
then I give it over to him, and then I take wherever the consequences

687
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:12.960
are. And he says to me, this is something from the Zohar that

688
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.360
if you are contrite in your remorse, your sin will be as though it

689
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.800
never happened, as though it never
existed. So we can wipe it clean,

690
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.199
but only if we can own it. So it's like going into the

691
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:28.639
divine plumbing and removing all of the
detritus. But to do that, we

692
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:30.320
have to look at it, we
have to accept it. We have to

693
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:36.159
say, there may have been circumstances, but this still happened on my shift.

694
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.760
I still did it, and I
take full responsibility. I'm not going

695
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:43.159
to say I did this, but
my wife didn't understand me, or I

696
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.480
did this but society was against people
like me. I'm going to say this

697
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:50.400
happened on my shift, and I
am so remorseful, and I'm not doing

698
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:52.079
it now and I won't do it
in the future. Please guide and please

699
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:58.199
show me how I can fix this. And this energy will welcome you back.

700
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:01.280
If you go one step to it, it will come ten steps towards

701
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:05.920
you. And the people that have
done the most damage to have the most

702
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:10.800
potential for ascension because they have so
much light to convert. And of course

703
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.960
if you get a guy like Milleriapa, the Buddhist saint killed thirty five people.

704
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:20.039
The reason they still talk about in
thousands of years after his death is

705
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:24.360
because he was a murderer turned saint. Saint Paul was a murderer. He

706
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:30.159
prosecuted, persecuted Christians. He wrote
seventeen of the books in the New Testament.

707
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.639
He is a profound orator. His
words are so full of spirit.

708
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:38.480
Even modern day people like Mandela.
You know, people forget that this modern

709
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:43.719
day saint was a terrorist. He
tried to fix problems with violence before he

710
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.559
converted and Robin Ireland. So people
that have had a difficult past and who

711
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:53.239
convert that darkness into light become great
messages. They've become great shepherds. It's

712
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:59.320
open for everybody. It's open for
anybody. If we want to receive this

713
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:01.480
light, we just ceazy, just
need to make room for it. Easy

714
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:07.440
and principle. So everybody out there
who thinks they can't be forgiven, they

715
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.880
can be forgiven. You know.
At least the one thing that was good

716
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:14.480
about the Christian religion was that I
was so scared to death they go to

717
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:19.320
Hell. I pretty much was a
good girl. My whole life. Obviously,

718
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.519
lots of the dogma is distorted,
but we can go beyond the dogma,

719
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.000
we can go beyond all that.
We can find that for ourselves,

720
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:30.039
you know. But mostly there is
only one legitimate fear, one fear only,

721
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:35.079
and that's the fear of being separated
from God, being separated from our

722
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:38.679
source. And God speaks to us
then through conscience, and the conscience speaks

723
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:43.480
to us through the sympathetic nervous system, so we feel fear. So that's

724
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:46.000
no bad thing, you know.
Just like if I touch a hot stove,

725
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:50.159
I'm going to the laws of heating
in the time, but that's not

726
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.639
good for me. I may have
to drag my child away from a busy

727
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:57.199
road, and they might not appreciate
it as I'm doing it because it might

728
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:00.079
feel like a violent act, but
I'm actually protecting them from moving traffic.

729
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:05.159
So there are energies that are guiding
us all the time, and sometimes they

730
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:09.159
guide us with divine shocks, but
that's for our protection because it's a parental

731
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:14.559
force, just like our own,
you know, parental guidance for their own

732
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:17.760
children. We fear for them not
understanding the laws of the fixed laws of

733
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:21.760
this moving planet. So we teach
them in any way we can, and

734
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:25.119
we give them a healthy respect that
if a healthy fear. If you do

735
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:30.440
this, this will happen. Fear
is a big subjects when you started with

736
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.360
at the beginning, which I love
because it is the only subject really and

737
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:37.760
there's only one fear, and that's
a fear of separation from God. And

738
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:44.159
God lets us know that with conscience
and through the sympathetic nervous system. But

739
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.880
conscience is a language. God is
speaking to us through conscience. It might

740
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:52.960
feel uncomfortable, but he's said,
I'm just trying to communicate to you through

741
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:57.599
this physical body. And then he
says, to look at all of this

742
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.760
darkness. You know, that's what
you're here for. You're here to convert

743
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:04.480
it to a lot. You're not
here to judge it because that adds darkness

744
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.320
to darkness. Not here to hit
it with a stick because that adds darkness

745
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:12.440
to darkness. You're not here to
point a finger at it. You know,

746
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.960
you're not here to project, You're
not here to be outrage. You're

747
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:20.719
here to convert it into darkness.
We let's end where we started. Forget

748
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:22.639
the business of the world. The
business of the world is no business of

749
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:31.400
yours. What fruits are you bringing
love? Compassion for? Absolutely? Yeah,

750
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:35.239
absolutely, it's a recipt of the
universe. To what we give out,

751
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.199
we're going to constantly return. It's
going to return to us. So

752
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:43.079
it's intelligent to be kind in what
we think, what we say, and

753
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.800
what we do, because it goes
out it doesn't just go out as a

754
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:50.599
thought, it goes out as a
spirit. We're constantly releasing spirit. If

755
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:54.519
it's coming through a dark filter,
it's a dark spirit. If it's coming

756
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:58.440
through a filter of love, we're
going to put out love into the world

757
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:05.320
and that's going to constantly turn.
Yeah, so can I ask you it

758
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:10.800
says ninety name. It's inspired by
the ninety nine names of Allah from the

759
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:16.280
Quran to represent infinity. When Peter
says to Jesus, how many times should

760
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:20.360
I forgive? Lord? He says, should I forgive seven times? He

761
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:24.239
said, you should forgive forty seven
times seven. It's it's just a similar

762
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:30.039
for infinite. You should continually forgive
because you are giving it over to me

763
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.679
and I'm going to heal it.
So ninety nine are the ninety nine names

764
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:37.679
or the ninety nine attributes of God. But each of them contains a tincture

765
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.639
of God, which is like a
hologram, So it contains all of God.

766
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:45.400
And each of them has different qualities, but all of them come back

767
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:50.239
to the same thing. Love.
And there's a lovely thing that Roomy said,

768
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.559
I love, Roomy said, fear
knocked on the door. Love answered,

769
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:59.239
there was no one there. That
we just nurture love in ourselves.

770
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.719
And that is an attribute of God. And if it's an attribute of gold,

771
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:04.880
it contains all of God. That's
the seed of God in it,

772
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:07.920
which we can allow to expand in
us. And like I said, if

773
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:13.400
the word God isn't suitable for somebody, they could use the word consciousness or

774
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:17.800
the world at least the word love, but it's a powerful energy love us.

775
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.400
Thank you so much for bringing all
of this wisdom. I thought it

776
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:25.880
was very needed for the world.
I thought you explained it very well.

777
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:30.320
And I love that you have the
same favorite book as me, because I

778
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:36.760
believe it's very powerful book which changed
my life. When I'm confronted with any

779
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:42.880
kind of adversity or arguments or whatever, I have control over what's come out

780
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.559
of my mouth. I pause,
I have space, and a lot of

781
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:52.639
times in that I find that compassion
love instead of just letting fear overtake me.

782
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:57.639
And it's very powerful. Yeah,
recognizing that what you're angry at you're

783
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:00.239
bound to, and what you're bound
to you feel. Do we want that?

784
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:05.119
Do I want somebody you know to
have that power over me? Don't

785
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.719
want him to have control of my
autonomy because it means I can think about

786
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.840
him when he takes over my autonomy. That might steal the day, It

787
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:14.880
might see a much steal a week, it might steal a whole lifetime.

788
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:19.360
I have the choice not to engage
that, not to identify with it.

789
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.840
Yeah, So tell everybody where they
can find your book. They can find

790
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:28.440
it on Amazon. I think it's
out an American now as well. Can

791
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:35.960
find me on Jeff Underscore Thompson Underscore
official Instagram, So Jeff with a G,

792
00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:39.840
Thompson with a P. That's my
only official presence on the Internet.

793
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:43.639
I'm not on the internet, but
I do post on the internet. So

794
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:47.360
I have a wonderful girl called Gabriella
who runs my Instagram accunts, so I

795
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:52.159
post on there every week. Very
nice, awesome, Thank you so much

796
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:58.000
for joining me. It's been a
pleasure, and now it's time to create

797
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:06.519
that show. There's a lovely line
in the Bag of the Gita is from

798
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.000
the Hindu texts, and that comes
from the Vaders, which is like five

799
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:13.639
hundred thousand verses, and it sums
it all. Look for me. It

800
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.960
says, lifts the self by the
self, never let the self droop down.

801
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:21.679
The self is the self's only enemy. The self is the self's only

802
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:28.280
friend. Begins and ends with you. I love that. That's our actus

803
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:31.719
to God. There's a geometric point
of singularity, the soul in all of

804
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:37.760
us, and our job is to
find that and to nurture it. Well,

805
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.360
it's been a pleasure and it was
nice to meet you. It's lovely

806
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:45.880
to meet you, and I really
love your courage and your openness. I

807
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:51.079
really admire you. Thank you you
too, Go bless her. Thanks for

808
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:55.400
listening to Sense of Soul podcast and
thanks to our special guests for joining me.

809
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:59.920
If you want more of a Sense
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