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We Asked "The Awakened One": How Do You Actually Wake Up Spiritually?

We Asked "The Awakened One": How Do You Actually Wake Up Spiritually?
Spiritual Awakening Intuition

Key Takeaways

  • Spiritual awakening is not merely a metaphor, but a literal and permanent shift in consciousness experienced by Zen Master Thich Dieu Thien on April 8, 2001.
  • The 'False Mind' or ego is constructed from illusion, ignorance, greed, and hatred, creating a dream-like state of constant suffering and reaction.
  • Meeting with an awakened teacher can help pierce through personal illusions and provide the initial key needed to open the door to true self-awareness.
  • True spiritual awakening eliminates the need to constantly fight for right and wrong, replacing reactivity with clarity, love, and compassion.
  • Living an awakened life does not require escaping society or becoming a monk; individuals can integrate spiritual liberation directly into their everyday 3D lives.

Is spiritual awakening real, or just a nice metaphor? Awakened Zen Master Thich Dieu Thien, known as the Awakened One, says it is literal, and she can name the day it happened to her: April 8, 2001.

Will and Karen ask her the question every seeker wrestles with: how do you actually wake up? She explains the "False Mind," the ever-changing ego built from ignorance, greed and hatred, and why even our skepticism comes from it. She shares why a glimpse of enlightenment fades, what step one really is, and how to catch your reactions before they take over. Will gets a live lesson in finding the "real you," and a surprising truth about the dream world we mistake for real life.

If you have meditated for years and still feel stuck, this conversation on consciousness, inner transformation and soul growth is for you.

Connect with the Awakened One and her book, 'The Power of AWAKE': universaldoormeditationcenter.org

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Frequently Asked Questions

What is spiritual awakening according to Thich Dieu Thien?

Thich Dieu Thien describes spiritual awakening as a literal state of being where a person wakes up from the dream-like illusion of the ego, living 24/7 in vast open space, wisdom, and compassion.

How do you actually start waking up spiritually?

According to the Awakened One, the journey begins by interacting with an awakened teacher who can act as a mirror, identify what blocks you, and help open the door to your true self.

Do you have to become a monk to achieve spiritual awakening?

No, you do not need to take on the monk lifestyle or wear robes; anyone with Buddha potential—whether a monk, nun, or lay person—can awaken and liberate themselves from suffering.

Where is the Universal Door Meditation Center located?

The Universal Door Meditation Center was founded in Sugar Land, Texas, and has since expanded to multiple centers, including a location in Thailand.

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So Karen.

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Yes.

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Everybody talks about waking up.

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Yes, they do.

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Every morning the alarm goes off and you wake up.

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Well, not just that, like spiritually waking up.

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So everyone talks about spiritually waking up.

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Books, retreats, apps, the show. But ask how to wake up.

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Sadly, there's not a spiritual alarm clock.

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waking up is a metaphor, that people don't actually wake up. Well,

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today's guest says that she did it. She woke up

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fully on a very specific day, April 8th, 2001. And

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she says it's not a metaphor.

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We shall see. It's something that anyone, she says, can

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actually do. So we are going to ask her the

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only question that matters. What's step one? Skeptic Reposition starts now.

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we've embarked on a journey of discovery.

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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even

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will prove that there's something beyond this.

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Physical, three-dimensional world we all live in.

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I'm Karen. Welcome back to Skeptic Metaphysicians, the show where

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enlightenment because come on already. Welcome to the show. Our

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guest today started asking the big questions early. She was

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in comparative religion, and holistic health. In 2003, she founded

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She's the author of the Amazon bestseller, The Power of Awake,

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and her students call her simply The Awakened One. Most

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spiritual teachers point towards the mountain. She says she's been

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to the top. And she's here to tell us how

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to get there. So please welcome Awakened Zen Master Thich

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Du Thien. How badly did I just do that name?

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Thich Du Thien.

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Is it okay we call you the Awakened one?

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It's much easier for me.

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Whatever you feel connect the most is easy for you, okay?

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waking up is not a metaphor, that it's actually literal.

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It's a literal thing. What is permanently different about how

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Wonderful question. You know, I was born to know I'm

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not belong to this world. It's naturally I know I

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belong to the world. Open vast space. There are no suffering,

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no ego, no fighting, no judging. Only love, true love, compassion, wisdom.

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accept the human body, the human mind. But I'm not involved,

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connect to me. But I know everything around me. to

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liberate the attachment caused suffering and wake the world. Until

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the guy to create problems. And from that moment, he's free.

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I live in that world 24-7. I live by all

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the attachments caused suffering. And from there, five natures appear.

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and great vow. It's naturally, I live in that world.

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And then manifest five natures. I saw all people have

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potential to awakening, but they don't know because every day

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they truly are. And therefore, I step in to make

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a vow to step in and awakening them to wake

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up from the dream world. And when they awaken, they feel,

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they felt like Two totally different worlds at that moment.

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Awakening from the dream world. Like you wake up from

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the dream, right? And you believe the dream world is real, right?

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believe it's real, right? Even that moment, you still have

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the emotional, the feeling, everything happening. But at that moment,

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you believe it's real. But the moment you wake up,

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it's gone. All the dream world is gone. And you're awakening.

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different world. Different than the dream world and awakening world.

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Exactly like that. That's why I'm not metaphor. It's just real, living, awakening.

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That is what is it. Wow.

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Yeah, you've said a lot. It's a lot to unpack.

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It's so beautiful. And I like how you compare it

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to going to sleep and having a dream. Going to

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sleep and having a dream. And then waking up from that,

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and then you can say, oh, you know, this is

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the dream state, and you can kind of differentiate the two.

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You had a glimpse of this world, and you knew

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that that was home. Some people never even have a glimpse.

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They have no idea this exists. Is there hope for

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people like that?

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Wonderful question. That's why I'm here to help them to

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touch that moment. Yes, I know whenever I interact with people,

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I know how to question to let them see who

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they truly are. What blocks them to truly happy and

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truly free? Why they get lost in their habit energy?

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Why they get lost in their perception? You know, someone

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they are so stuck in their belief and they cannot

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get out. And that repetition again, again, again. They don't know.

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those people around them. They don't know. And when I

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interact with them, I will know how to open that

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for them, to awakening them, let them see why they're

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not truly happy, what blocked them to truly free, who

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they truly are. And from that moment, I'm open for them.

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And then depend on each person, right? And when they

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touch that moment, they will know exactly when the moment

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you wake up. Even you're not fully awake yet, but

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they're awakening at that moment. They will feel the separation

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between real them and for them. They know right away.

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Not about illusion, not about lie belief. No, they experience

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for themselves. And then from that moment, they felt all

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the attachment, all the thing they hold so tight before

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just start to fall apart. They know it. And then

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from that moment, the way they see things is totally different.

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It's more open, more understanding, no more fighting, no more judging,

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no more suffering. That moment is truly opening. And that

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is the journey start.

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something like that. But I still wake up in the

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morning and I'm all grouchy. And I still, someone cuts

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me off in traffic and I get, you know, irked.

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get caught up in all the minutia, the day-to-day of

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everyday life. So I don't believe I'm awakened, but I

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felt glimpses of it.

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Wonderful. Yes. Some, they have some claim because they didn't

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have awakened one to opening for them to show them

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exactly how to walk the path, how to awakening, continue

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to awakening, continue to liberation, continue to know who they

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truly are. They don't have the teacher to guide them. Therefore,

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after that, like suddenly the thunderstorm, right? You see the light.

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You see everything clear. And after that, you go back

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to the darkness, right?

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Yes.

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But if you have awakened one to opening for you,

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to awakening you, to walk with you, to walk with you,

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you will know how to awakening and liberation along the way. Right.

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Until final.

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So then you're saying having you by our side would

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be a big help. However, not a lot of people

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can go to Sugarland, Texas. to meet with you and

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to work with you, to learn from you. So for

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those of us at home, is there a way for

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us to at least take the step in the right direction?

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of the journey, we need to meet the awakened one

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in order to open the door first, right? To awakening first.

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And let them experience about true world. They know for themselves.

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key for them to open for them to show them.

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And then from that moment, everything clear. When everything clear,

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easy for you to get up, walk the path, if

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not mess up. You know, because the illusion in here,

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very strong and very quick. Therefore, if you are not clear,

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you don't know, it's easier for the ego to take

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over and then to create a different path. Therefore, you

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need to have awakened one to opening for you first.

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And after everything clear, the journey starts.

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So how do you open that for someone? Do you just... Yeah.

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I just look at them. I interact with them. I

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open with them. I will know who are they. Each

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person a different question, different background, different personality. I will

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know how to open with them because each person different tool.

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Like a mirror. I wake up in the morning like

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a mirror can reflect each person as they are. And

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from there, naturally by opening, by working, by question, and

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then the door will open. Like the key, I will move, working, working, open, open,

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and then like the key to open the door for them.

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And then from there, when the door opens, oh they

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got it but they're not about oh I believe awakened

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one no not about oh I believe they will know

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for their own I will open exactly what block them

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to be truly happy who they truly are why they're

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not truly happy why conflict always happening first and from

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there they will know for themselves and when the door

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open they feel awakening that moment even not fully right

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but they feel open and they feel oh that's true

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that's true and then it's all the attachments start to

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fall apart. They know it for themselves. And then the

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true love naturally appear within themselves. It's a true, not

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about belief, not about illusion. No, it's a leaving, leaving, awakening.

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How long do you typically have to work with someone

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before they start to experience that?

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Depend on each person because if someone they already have

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a question but they're searching but they have no idea

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it means they almost almost near the the door they

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knock the door and then the door open right but

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someone they have no idea they take a little bit

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of time for them to to see the truth within

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themselves who they truly are what's the problem and then

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they start to recognize are they truly happy why they

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are not They always react. Why are they always a

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conflict between themselves and those people around them? I have

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to walk them step by step until the moment everything

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is clear, the door opens. That's what depends on each person. Okay.

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Well, until we get a chance to go to Texas

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or Thailand.

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Thailand. Like Achan Marut, you know, because he already had

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a question. He practiced so long, he had a question.

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some words, boom, opening. The door opened. And then he

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awakened at that moment and all the illusions, all the

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questions just fall apart. Something still stuck within himself so long.

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And that moment, boom, and then he connect with God.

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Awaken One, and that moment, everything opened for him. But truly,

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he practiced for so long. He had a question. He

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knew that. What does it mean, awakening? He touched something,

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but he could not leave it that long. And that moment,

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because he already had a question, he came. Something happened.

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I opened for him. I knew exactly who he was.

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What is the question? What stuck? He still cared with him.

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I just, boom, and then the door opened. And from

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that moment, he really connected with Awaken One. Everything opened.

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And his light changes from that moment. He becomes light, present, open, awakening, liberation.

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Everything is just far apart.

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So, Awakened One, does going to see you necessitate taking

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on the monk lifestyle? Robes, the hair, all that stuff?

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You don't have to. Everybody can be the awakened one.

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Okay, because I really like my hair.

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Everybody still connect. Yes, you still.

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You don't have to.

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Because everybody have the Buddha potential. Everybody have suffering. Everybody

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have the struggle with being. Everybody have potential to wake

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up and liberate, to be truly happy. Therefore, everybody can.

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Even you are monk, nun, and lay person, you still

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need to awakening and liberation or attachment for your suffering.

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So then let's talk about practicality because we live in

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a 3D world. We have to make ends meet. We

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have to provide for our families. We have to live

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in polite society. We go, we see you, you awaken

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us up and now suddenly we find ourselves in a

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different place.

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So how difficult is it to reintegrate to everyday life

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or are you ruined from regular life forever?

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Oh, wonderful. Julie, when you become awakened, right, enlightenment, all

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the attachment, all the illusion, call yourself thing, fall apart,

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and you become awakened, right? But from you become awakened,

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your relationship between those people around you become more open. understanding, vast.

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You know, before judging, required, requirement, right? Expectation, fighting for

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right or wrong. That moment, you see things as they are.

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You no longer fight for right or wrong. You know

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how to respond to those people around you with clarity, wisdom, understanding, compassion.

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The thing removed is an illusion, attachment, greed, and hatred.

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But the thing appeared is a wisdom, compassion. Clarity.

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It's important, I think, to differentiate because we're not talking

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about being indifferent.

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Right.

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Someone can go around in life and go, yeah, I

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don't care. I don't care. I don't care. This is different.

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This is still, you're still interacting, but from love, from wisdom,

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as opposed to from the negativity space.

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Yes. Like the capacity to listen becomes open. Naturally become understanding. Before,

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we listen with perception. We listen with judging. Right now,

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when you become awakening, the judging, perception, I am something,

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just fall apart. Before, you fall apart. The real you appear.

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When the real you appear, you listen with understanding. No

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more judging. No more conflict. You understand them as they are.

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And from there, easy for you to... Interact with them. Share, open,

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but very understanding. A little more fighting.

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One of the big drivers for us, and I think

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for society as a whole, is health. And when you

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don't have good health, you need help, you have to

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go to the doctor. Here in the States, everyone knows

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health care is incredibly expensive. So you have to go

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to the doctor and the medicines and all this stuff,

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and then you have to work more. How do you

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maintain this awakened feeling when you have to deal with

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all of these things for your body? Or does that

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awakening help your body heal?

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Wow. When you become awakened, right, it's naturally because of

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the problem, the conflict, the stress comes from the greed

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and hatred. That causes a lot of problems. It destroys

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your body, right? But when you become awakened, it's naturally,

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you are free, you are open. Your life, you still

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do everything, but no more stress, no more conflict. And

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that already transform your karma transform your body right and

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then from there you see thing very clear you see

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thing very open very clear you don't you don't assume

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anything anything clear and therefore the decision you make very

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clear the way you work the way you interact will

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become easy Because from that moment, you have wisdom. You

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can see things as they are. You can see things clearly.

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You can make clear decisions, right? Because you're still stuck

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in illusion. Therefore, all these decisions you make, it's sometimes wrong.

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Something can feel, make you stressed, make you worry, right?

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And from the moment you become awakened or awakening along

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the way, your life changes. The relationship between the husband

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and wife completely changed. Coworker completely changed. Parents and children

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completely changed. They felt that within yourself. And then your

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life totally different. Become natural.

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I mean, it sounds amazing, Awakened One. But it sounds

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like it's almost too good to be true. So, okay.

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I got it. Two weeks vacation at work. I'll go

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see you for two weeks. You wake me up. I

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come home. And for the next two weeks, I am enlightened.

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I am coming at everyone from wisdom. And then all

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of a sudden, little by little, life starts chipping away,

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chipping away, chipping away. And before long, I find myself

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cussing at people again, right? It doesn't seem like it's

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very sustainable unless you live in with you, right? With

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a bunch of monks, right?

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No. You know, because after awakened one awakening you, it's natural.

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We have the journey. You know the journey. You know

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what to do, right? Like you never know how to

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drive a car, right? By yourself, you have impossible. How

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can I drive a car, right? Someone from different country

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come to USA and learn how to drive a car.

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At that moment, how? How can I drive a car, right?

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At first, you need to have someone to guide you, right?

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To work, right? At first, it will be struggle, struggle, struggle, right?

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And then along the way, when awakening clear, you know,

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and then everything, you start to see all the attachment

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along the way. And you start to know who you

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truly are. And then awaken one will continue to guide you,

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to opening for you to walk like someone drive a car.

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Until one day, they can drive their own. I work

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with them like that. Exactly like that effort, someone has fear,

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many things happening, not easy, they go back, they want

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to get out, right? And then keep working, keep working,

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keep working, I will guide them. And they felt for

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themselves awakening, who they truly are. And then liberation, whenever

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they deal with something, the reaction arise, they can recognize.

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They can see the fear or the anger arises. They

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can recognize, they can see who they truly are. And

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then they see, they start to see the attachment called

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the suffering. Everything starts to open, open, open. And they

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connect with the real them. And then the fall, them

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fall apart along the way. They know it. And until

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one day, they can walk the path by themselves until

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they move to final destination.

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And I think Like you're talking about, you go back

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to work. I think since you're different, it's not going

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to affect you, maybe. Maybe they won't be chipping away.

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You'll just say, oh, this person, you know, whatever. And

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you'll respond so differently that maybe you don't ever get out.

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Of that state. That would be what you would think,

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wouldn't it?

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That is true, yes. From that moment, when after you awakening,

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the way you see things different, it no longer affects you.

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But it affects you that moment when they arise, you

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recognize right away. you can you know it for yourself

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that moment it just fall apart like the sun rises

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the cloud fall apart that moment everything change not about

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illusion it's true and the way you interact with people

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totally different because that moment the way you see things

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different already it's totally different because when you wake up

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you can see things different then you are lost in

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illusion And then it become natural, become natural for yourself.

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They feel yourself different. But you don't try to be different.

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You don't try to be different. Truly, it's naturally different. Right.

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I mean, truly, it sounds like perfection. The skeptic in

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me keeps thinking there's no way it's sustainable. Life is

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just too difficult. I'll give you a perfect example today.

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We have a daughter. She's 15 going on 20. And

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she is having a really rough day. But she's choosing

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to wallow in this bad day. No matter what I say,

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to try to cheer her up, to try to let her,

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to help her to understand it's impermanent. It's not going

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to be like this all the time. You're choosing to

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feel this way. You can choose the other way. I

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say all this kind of stuff. And yet she still continues.

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And after a while, I'm like, forget it then. That's

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my daughter who I love from the bottom of my heart.

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I love her more than anything. And yet, I try,

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but yet, after a while, it's like, okay, fine, forget

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it then. Sit in your wallet. Right?

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Maybe you have to let go of that feeling of

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being right.

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I'm asking the awakened one.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm already learning from her.

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I'm already learning.

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Okay. You know the skeptic. Where does skeptic come from?

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Actually, originally from Puerto Rico, moved to Connecticut.

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New York.

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He came from New York. From New York, yes.

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You know, because when the skeptic comes from is the

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illusion mind.

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Ah, the false mind.

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Yes.

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Okay, that's where I was hoping we were going to go.

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Perfect. And that's why when awakening lets you out, no,

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touch the real you. When you live with the real you,

437
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:56.160
you start to see the skeptic. So... Create a lot

438
00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:01.289
of doubt. a lot of confusion, a lot of questions.

439
00:26:02.470 --> 00:26:07.009
You know, because that mind always changes. And life always changes.

440
00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:10.170
But if you belong on that mind, you believe that mind,

441
00:26:10.630 --> 00:26:15.400
you stop. That's why when awakening you to let you

442
00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:18.220
know who you truly are, when you go back to

443
00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:22.059
view you, you start to see that mind, the captive mind,

444
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:25.680
come from the false mind. And then from that moment,

445
00:26:26.059 --> 00:26:27.819
that mind no longer take over you.

446
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:30.680
Well, let's define the false mind a little bit so

447
00:26:30.700 --> 00:26:33.380
that those who are listening or watching can really get

448
00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:35.880
a handle on it. I'm not asking for myself at all.

449
00:26:35.900 --> 00:26:42.470
It's for everyone else. What exactly is a false mind

450
00:26:42.509 --> 00:26:43.349
and why are we living in it?

451
00:26:43.950 --> 00:26:46.690
Yes, the false mind is that it always changes. It

452
00:26:47.390 --> 00:26:50.730
comes from illusion. It always changes. The false mind comes

453
00:26:50.750 --> 00:26:55.569
from ignorance, greed, and hatred. Therefore, it always changes. It's

454
00:26:55.589 --> 00:26:58.720
not real. The real mind never change. The true mind

455
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:03.069
never change. Always present, vast, open, can see things as

456
00:27:03.109 --> 00:27:07.210
they are. The false mind always cannot see things as

457
00:27:07.230 --> 00:27:12.289
they are. The false mind sees things through perception, through concept,

458
00:27:12.450 --> 00:27:18.799
through identity, through attachment. That's when whenever, whoever believes with

459
00:27:18.819 --> 00:27:25.000
the false mind cannot truly happy, truly free. Because always skeptic.

460
00:27:30.269 --> 00:27:32.910
Okay, so I do want to go see you.

461
00:27:33.089 --> 00:27:33.329
I do.

462
00:27:33.509 --> 00:27:36.890
I mean, that's an incredible thought. But I won't get

463
00:27:36.910 --> 00:27:40.099
there for a while. So until that happens, what can

464
00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:43.240
I start doing today here that can help me down

465
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:43.940
the right path?

466
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:48.079
Okay. At least you got it, right? Now you start

467
00:27:48.099 --> 00:27:54.549
to know what is the ego, right? The false mind, right? Yes. Right?

468
00:27:55.220 --> 00:27:57.000
But do you know what is the real you yet?

469
00:27:57.140 --> 00:27:58.910
Have you ever touched the real you yet?

470
00:27:59.410 --> 00:28:03.289
I'm sure I haven't because otherwise I would probably know it. Right.

471
00:28:04.069 --> 00:28:04.609
What is this?

472
00:28:06.789 --> 00:28:07.220
What is it?

473
00:28:07.869 --> 00:28:10.690
Yeah, what is this? The real you. Have you ever

474
00:28:10.779 --> 00:28:11.660
touched the real you?

475
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:17.000
I think maybe the only times that I've, and this

476
00:28:17.019 --> 00:28:20.339
is a pure speculation on my part, right? Assumption. The

477
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:24.390
times I've actually touched the real me has been in meditation.

478
00:28:24.809 --> 00:28:26.430
where I just sat in presence.

479
00:28:27.190 --> 00:28:31.269
Okay. What is it? Can you describe that moment?

480
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:36.359
Hey, I wanted to take a second to tell you

481
00:28:36.380 --> 00:28:40.180
about someone in our world who I think deserves your attention.

482
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.099
His name is Scott Burns, and here's what he did.

483
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.380
He and his wife, Toni, got on their Harleys and

484
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:53.009
rode 100,000 miles across 48 states talking to quantum physicists,

485
00:28:53.750 --> 00:28:59.930
Buddhist monks, neuroscientists, Lakota elders, and everyday people sitting in

486
00:29:00.009 --> 00:29:03.829
diners and living rooms all across America, all to answer

487
00:29:04.390 --> 00:29:08.529
one question. What is love? Now, I'm not talking about

488
00:29:08.549 --> 00:29:11.970
the Hallmark version, not even the chemistry version. I'm talking

489
00:29:11.990 --> 00:29:18.880
about the real answer to what is love. NPR thought

490
00:29:18.890 --> 00:29:21.400
the journey was worth covering, and after spending time with

491
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.670
Scott ourselves, Well, Karen and I think the answer he

492
00:29:24.690 --> 00:29:30.299
came back with is worth your time too. Now, Scott

493
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:35.009
now brings the decade of research that he has done

494
00:29:35.230 --> 00:29:39.970
to stages all across the world. He speaks to conferences, universities,

495
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:46.039
spiritual communities, arts and humanities audiences, all about the origin,

496
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:50.460
the nature, and the purpose of love and its relationship

497
00:29:51.019 --> 00:29:55.359
to consciousness. It's the kind of talk that changes the

498
00:29:55.380 --> 00:29:59.410
way people think about their relationships, their purpose, and honestly

499
00:29:59.430 --> 00:30:03.150
their lives. He's also the author of the upcoming book,

500
00:30:03.339 --> 00:30:06.380
A Map of Souls, The Quest for Love's True Story,

501
00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:11.240
with a foreword by Dr. Eben Alexander. And if you're

502
00:30:11.259 --> 00:30:14.160
in the spirituality space, you already know who that is.

503
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:19.500
So if your community, your campus, your conference, or your

504
00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:25.069
organization is ready for a different conversation about love, Scott Burns,

505
00:30:25.589 --> 00:30:32.190
he is your speaker. Find him at scottburns.com. That's S-C-O-T-T-E,

506
00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:36.539
scottburns with an E dot com. And you will not

507
00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:37.130
regret it.

508
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:38.140
Okay.

509
00:30:38.859 --> 00:30:43.299
I'll see you later. The times I've actually touched the

510
00:30:43.339 --> 00:30:46.700
real me has been in meditation where I just sat

511
00:30:46.980 --> 00:30:47.559
in presence.

512
00:30:48.339 --> 00:30:52.319
Okay. What is this? Can you describe that moment?

513
00:30:55.069 --> 00:30:58.630
It's just being aware of being aware. It's just allowing

514
00:30:58.730 --> 00:31:03.589
nothing to exist other than.

515
00:31:05.589 --> 00:31:05.809
Me.

516
00:31:07.690 --> 00:31:12.150
Me in the capital M. Just awareness, just existing is

517
00:31:12.190 --> 00:31:15.190
what it was. Just sitting in awareness.

518
00:31:16.299 --> 00:31:21.119
Have you ever known that is you? Another mind is

519
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.279
not you. The false mind is not you. Have you

520
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.259
ever known that? Who you truly are.

521
00:31:27.819 --> 00:31:32.769
I mean, intellectually, I know that. But in here, it

522
00:31:32.789 --> 00:31:33.730
seems a little elusive.

523
00:31:34.730 --> 00:31:38.930
Yes. Because right now, at least you touch that, right?

524
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:41.779
Now you need to know. You have a chance to

525
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.680
go back to connect with that mind. To live with that.

526
00:31:45.619 --> 00:31:47.440
The more you live with that, you will see the

527
00:31:47.500 --> 00:31:50.490
separation between the true you and the false you, right?

528
00:31:50.750 --> 00:31:52.930
You see, the true you and the false you is

529
00:31:53.430 --> 00:31:58.150
totally two different, right? Two minds, two worlds, right? One

530
00:31:58.210 --> 00:32:02.609
world is a very open, present, vast. See things as

531
00:32:02.630 --> 00:32:10.380
they are. One is always change, always worry, always... Many

532
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:12.559
things happen in stress. Many things happen, right? You feel

533
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:16.339
that that is the false mind. that cause a lot

534
00:32:16.380 --> 00:32:22.000
of suffering. On the real you, very fast, very open,

535
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.779
very present, you need to go back to live with

536
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.460
the real you first. And from there, the journey starts

537
00:32:27.619 --> 00:32:33.710
to go home and replay the attachment you call your suffering. Hmm.

538
00:32:34.819 --> 00:32:36.579
So it's kind of like I had this image in

539
00:32:36.619 --> 00:32:38.460
my head just pop up of someone sitting with this

540
00:32:38.529 --> 00:32:40.789
big helmet on and they're looking at everything through the

541
00:32:40.829 --> 00:32:43.809
helmet and there's stuff going on. But then you take

542
00:32:43.829 --> 00:32:46.230
off the helmet and that's the falseness. And then the

543
00:32:46.269 --> 00:32:48.130
real you is you without the helmet. But you can

544
00:32:48.150 --> 00:32:51.059
put different helmets on because different perspectives and different situations

545
00:32:51.099 --> 00:32:51.519
can happen.

546
00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:53.039
I like a good helmet.

547
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:57.180
I'm very visual, so I have to picture things a

548
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:58.299
lot of times.

549
00:32:58.839 --> 00:32:59.240
Very good.

550
00:32:59.859 --> 00:33:03.259
Yeah, that's true. And then, you know, because at the

551
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:08.410
moment you... Awakening not only awareness, but at least you

552
00:33:08.450 --> 00:33:12.980
claim something, right? From the moment you become awakened along

553
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:18.279
the way, awakening, awakening, and then the knowing, the knowing,

554
00:33:18.339 --> 00:33:25.700
the living awakening in awakened mind, seeing things different than

555
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.500
the false mind seeing things. The false mind seeing things

556
00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:37.579
through perception, right? Through judging. Through prejudice, right? Through attachment.

557
00:33:38.339 --> 00:33:43.359
But awakened mind sees things as they are. And awakened

558
00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:48.980
mind can see everything happening within is illusion, not real.

559
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.680
From that moment, you're not associated with the false mind.

560
00:33:54.380 --> 00:33:57.839
But because you're not awakening yet, you're not truly awakened yet,

561
00:33:58.180 --> 00:34:01.160
therefore it's easy for you to associate with the false mind.

562
00:34:01.819 --> 00:34:04.980
And the false mind takes over immediately. That's why I

563
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:09.860
call a strong reaction when something happening not exactly what

564
00:34:09.940 --> 00:34:13.340
we believe, what we attach, what we think we are.

565
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.750
And right away, we act right away. That come from

566
00:34:18.110 --> 00:34:18.789
the false mind.

567
00:34:20.829 --> 00:34:26.329
So then if I get this correctly, awakening is understanding

568
00:34:26.369 --> 00:34:28.289
and living in presence. Not only presence.

569
00:34:33.269 --> 00:34:37.590
When that is a process. That is only first step.

570
00:34:37.909 --> 00:34:39.530
Oh, I asked for the first step and that was

571
00:34:39.550 --> 00:34:40.530
the first step. We got it.

572
00:34:40.530 --> 00:34:44.030
That is the first step. And final step is enlightenment.

573
00:34:44.150 --> 00:34:49.380
From that moment, continue to awakening, awakening, awakening until enlightened.

574
00:34:49.969 --> 00:34:53.619
And then liberate all the attachment, cause suffering. And from

575
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:59.440
that moment, all attachment, the false mind is not liberate

576
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.150
along the way, fall apart along the way.

577
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:06.099
So you are saying that I haven't even started yet.

578
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.469
That's nice. Oh, my God. But you know you're wearing

579
00:35:10.510 --> 00:35:13.469
a helmet. All these years I'm doing this show and

580
00:35:13.550 --> 00:35:14.329
doing all this stuff.

581
00:35:14.349 --> 00:35:15.949
You know who you truly are right now, right? All

582
00:35:16.010 --> 00:35:19.469
my studies. You know who you truly are.

583
00:35:19.510 --> 00:35:21.150
I haven't even started yet.

584
00:35:21.250 --> 00:35:24.820
You start to see two worlds, right? Two worlds totally different, right?

585
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.079
Totally different world. Yeah, totally different.

586
00:35:28.099 --> 00:35:29.199
Totally different world. Yeah.

587
00:35:31.420 --> 00:35:34.840
Do you notice, do people react to you? So I

588
00:35:34.909 --> 00:35:39.210
know that you are reacting from your true self. But

589
00:35:39.230 --> 00:35:41.969
when other people see you and things just don't really

590
00:35:42.030 --> 00:35:46.969
bother you, and here anyways, they're just going to think

591
00:35:46.989 --> 00:35:50.269
you're crazy and be even worse. Have you noticed how

592
00:35:50.289 --> 00:35:53.650
you are, does it affect people around you and how

593
00:35:53.670 --> 00:35:54.389
they respond to you?

594
00:35:55.449 --> 00:35:58.409
Truly, anything happening in front of an awakened one is

595
00:35:58.510 --> 00:36:03.210
disturbed by nothing. They can respond any different way, but

596
00:36:03.269 --> 00:36:05.570
in front of awakened one, for me, because I know

597
00:36:05.590 --> 00:36:08.889
who they truly are, where they come from, therefore, nothing

598
00:36:09.050 --> 00:36:13.690
affects awakened one. But because of that, naturally, I can,

599
00:36:14.489 --> 00:36:18.159
by living in that way, awakening them and let them,

600
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:22.840
like a mirror, can reflect themselves. And they start to see,

601
00:36:22.940 --> 00:36:27.960
some they start to see, oh, why? Why? Things happening

602
00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:34.639
like that, but awakened one still present, still smile, still understanding,

603
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:38.820
still disturbed by nothing. And that helps them to have

604
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.659
a question. Oh, but why I'm always react easily? Why?

605
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:46.139
What is this? Help them to have a question. And

606
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:49.650
from there, maybe they can question to ask Awakened One

607
00:36:49.670 --> 00:36:53.349
to help them how to live like Awakened One. How

608
00:36:53.409 --> 00:37:00.230
to be present, disturbed by nothing in any situation. Right. Okay.

609
00:37:00.940 --> 00:37:09.679
So I now see the difference. And I'm sad to

610
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:11.900
say that I've lived in false mind most of my life.

611
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:13.070
I think most of us have.

612
00:37:13.090 --> 00:37:16.630
Most of us have, yes. So then if I take

613
00:37:16.670 --> 00:37:20.409
that first step and I start becoming aware and I

614
00:37:20.429 --> 00:37:24.289
start living in that awareness, in that presence, and I

615
00:37:24.349 --> 00:37:28.960
start feeling that false mind start to come back, what

616
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:33.610
can I do to make it Go away again. Very good.

617
00:37:34.030 --> 00:37:40.269
Wow. You start to have a question, right? Good question. Okay, first,

618
00:37:40.889 --> 00:37:43.320
after a week one open for you to know who

619
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:48.739
you truly are now, continue, continue to live with that mind.

620
00:37:48.860 --> 00:37:51.000
Continue to go back to live with that mind, a

621
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:53.760
clear mind, right? Because you know that is you. You

622
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:56.980
go back to live with that, right? And then start

623
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:02.030
to aware of anything happening within yourself. When the thought arises,

624
00:38:02.909 --> 00:38:08.789
when the emotional arises, when the judging arises, whatever happening

625
00:38:08.809 --> 00:38:14.969
in yourself, start to recognize. Start to recognize first in

626
00:38:15.050 --> 00:38:19.280
order to know, is this problem that cause your suffering?

627
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.880
Just recognize first and then from there, because the more

628
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.239
you know for yourself, the easier for you to let go.

629
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.400
You know, easy for you to let go. But the

630
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.420
problem is because you didn't have a chance to face

631
00:38:31.460 --> 00:38:36.440
that false mind. Now time for you to face that

632
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:40.059
false mind. Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to face that.

633
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.539
Usually people always run away from that. Or become one

634
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:43.920
with that.

635
00:38:44.739 --> 00:38:46.469
Well, I think in my case it's more of the

636
00:38:46.489 --> 00:38:49.630
fact that I don't recognize I'm doing it until way,

637
00:38:49.650 --> 00:38:51.489
way later. I look back a week later and go,

638
00:38:51.590 --> 00:38:53.690
oh my gosh, that was terrible. That was super judgmental

639
00:38:53.750 --> 00:38:57.900
or something like that. So how can I Start to

640
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.800
recognize it sooner so that I'm not stuck in an

641
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.340
hour later and go, oof, I was not very awake

642
00:39:03.659 --> 00:39:03.880
that time.

643
00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:08.000
Just listen to me. Right now, first you start to

644
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.199
aware of that. Even right now, they're not arising yet, right?

645
00:39:11.510 --> 00:39:15.510
But you start aware of that before that happening. In

646
00:39:15.530 --> 00:39:18.590
daily life, you start to aware of that. What always

647
00:39:18.630 --> 00:39:21.369
happen in your daily life? You start to aware of

648
00:39:21.429 --> 00:39:24.869
that first, right? Even when they're not arising yet. But

649
00:39:24.929 --> 00:39:29.030
you start to know that. always happening again again again

650
00:39:29.090 --> 00:39:31.599
what is this you start to aware of that. When

651
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:35.380
you're aware of that, when the moment that's happening, you

652
00:39:35.420 --> 00:39:37.800
can know right away, in the right time, the right moment.

653
00:39:38.260 --> 00:39:41.000
But the problem before you have no idea. Before you

654
00:39:41.059 --> 00:39:43.909
have no idea about who you truly are. And what

655
00:39:43.969 --> 00:39:46.309
is the false mind? Therefore, you didn't have a chance

656
00:39:46.329 --> 00:39:49.469
to aware of that before that happening. Now you start

657
00:39:49.489 --> 00:39:52.750
to aware of that. And then aware of that when

658
00:39:52.809 --> 00:39:56.139
you are in any situation, when you walk, when you eat,

659
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.719
when you interact, when you sit in, you start to

660
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.159
know who you truly are. You start to go back

661
00:40:02.179 --> 00:40:04.679
to your real. You start to know the false mind.

662
00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:08.530
You start to know your reaction, right? Before it's happening.

663
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:14.050
And then when it's happening, you recognize right away. From there,

664
00:40:14.269 --> 00:40:17.630
you have momentum to go back to your real, to

665
00:40:17.769 --> 00:40:23.349
face that life, that moment immediately. And from there, the

666
00:40:23.389 --> 00:40:26.840
journey starts. You got it?

667
00:40:27.590 --> 00:40:32.969
I think so. I think it's a lot of living

668
00:40:32.989 --> 00:40:35.250
in the present moment. It's trying to.

669
00:40:36.909 --> 00:40:39.300
So you're saying that the more I am aware of it,

670
00:40:39.469 --> 00:40:41.199
the more aware of it I will become.

671
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:45.820
Yes, but not only aware of that, but also the

672
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:48.880
more if you know who you truly are, right? When

673
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:51.219
you know who you truly are, naturally you go back

674
00:40:51.380 --> 00:40:55.079
to live with real you. Before only aware not enough.

675
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.969
When you truly know who you truly are, naturally you

676
00:40:58.989 --> 00:41:01.789
will be back to live in that. And when you

677
00:41:01.829 --> 00:41:05.869
know what is not you, When you know inside yourself,

678
00:41:06.190 --> 00:41:10.539
the knowing helps you to make decision. Not only aware,

679
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:15.119
aware very weak. The knowing, the decision to be sure

680
00:41:15.619 --> 00:41:18.480
who you truly are. You need to go back. To

681
00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:21.190
live with that. And what is not you? When you

682
00:41:21.210 --> 00:41:25.909
have that decision, easy for you to pay attention. Easy

683
00:41:25.949 --> 00:41:29.900
for you to let go when a day arises. You

684
00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:33.139
got it? Easy for you to recognize right away. Easy

685
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:36.090
for you to let go. Easy for you to liberate.

686
00:41:36.210 --> 00:41:39.210
Easy for you to go back to your real. That

687
00:41:39.570 --> 00:41:44.190
requires yourself to know who you truly are. What is

688
00:41:44.250 --> 00:41:47.539
not you? You got it?

689
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:48.590
Oh, I got it.

690
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:51.909
Can you do it?

691
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.219
That's the biggest question.

692
00:41:56.860 --> 00:41:59.550
I think one of the biggest challenges is not letting,

693
00:41:59.570 --> 00:42:03.590
not reacting to other people. Because if you have someone

694
00:42:03.630 --> 00:42:07.769
that maybe you're in an abusive relationship or something where

695
00:42:07.789 --> 00:42:09.719
you don't have a whole lot of control of your situation,

696
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.380
I think that might be more challenge. How would you,

697
00:42:13.780 --> 00:42:15.300
what would you say to someone who is in a

698
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.860
sort of a situation like that? Like how, how can

699
00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:20.860
they start along this path?

700
00:42:20.929 --> 00:42:21.429
By leaving.

701
00:42:22.329 --> 00:42:23.369
Sometimes it's not that easy.

702
00:42:24.349 --> 00:42:27.909
Yeah. No, even if you're honest with yourself, you know,

703
00:42:28.030 --> 00:42:31.909
even you don't react a lot from outside, but truly

704
00:42:31.969 --> 00:42:34.590
you know. You know you, right? You know you. You

705
00:42:34.630 --> 00:42:39.329
know by knowing helps you to question. The question arises

706
00:42:39.449 --> 00:42:43.010
who you truly are and something's still hidden inside. But

707
00:42:43.110 --> 00:42:45.820
by knowing the truth within yourself, it becomes the question.

708
00:42:46.300 --> 00:42:49.099
When the question arises, it's easy for the answer to

709
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.079
come to you. You don't need to wait until the

710
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.219
problem happening. You still have a question. Someone, they already

711
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.940
recognize that. After they met Awakened One today, you all

712
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.219
start to see it. Start to question. And from there,

713
00:43:04.659 --> 00:43:06.469
the answer will come to you along the way.

714
00:43:08.550 --> 00:43:15.250
I get the feeling that those of us who are

715
00:43:15.309 --> 00:43:19.130
listening to you or watching you today and in the

716
00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:22.690
future are going to be activated on something, right?

717
00:43:23.409 --> 00:43:23.610
Yes.

718
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:28.500
What do you feel the biggest mistake most people make

719
00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:32.360
that keep them asleep, keep them from waking up?

720
00:43:33.380 --> 00:43:36.710
Because they never know who they truly are. They never

721
00:43:36.769 --> 00:43:40.349
know what it means to wake up. They never know

722
00:43:40.389 --> 00:43:44.389
about what is sleepiness. They never know. They think that

723
00:43:44.409 --> 00:43:47.579
is the real world already. You know, sometimes they live

724
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:49.840
in the dream world, but they already believe that it's

725
00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:51.739
the real world already. Why do they need to wake up?

726
00:43:52.579 --> 00:43:55.400
They have no idea. You see, and they think that's normal.

727
00:43:56.039 --> 00:44:00.119
It's normal. Life is normal. Anger is normal. Suffering is normal.

728
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:04.239
Fighting is normal. Love, hate is normal. That's normal. Why

729
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.639
do they need to wake up? They have no idea.

730
00:44:07.530 --> 00:44:10.869
And then until one day they met Awakened One or

731
00:44:10.929 --> 00:44:14.969
Awakened One awakening them, they see someone live different than them.

732
00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:19.539
And from that moment, oh, what is this? From there,

733
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.340
the question arises. And from there, the door opens. And

734
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:25.519
then from there, Awakened One starts to open for them.

735
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.960
And then from that moment, they know what it means

736
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:32.219
to wake up. From the moment they wake up one time,

737
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:34.300
they know what it means to wake up. If they

738
00:44:34.340 --> 00:44:36.800
never wake up, they never know what it means, what

739
00:44:36.820 --> 00:44:37.369
it means to wake up.

740
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.800
You know, I've heard that a lot over the course

741
00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:43.699
of the five years doing the show and all the

742
00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:46.349
studies that we've done, I've heard the term, that we're

743
00:44:46.369 --> 00:44:50.070
living in a dream world a lot. And intellectually, you

744
00:44:50.369 --> 00:44:53.340
think you get it, you understand. But it wasn't until

745
00:44:53.500 --> 00:44:57.860
just now that I realized we are actually, the dream

746
00:44:57.900 --> 00:45:01.880
world is what we're experiencing because we are all living

747
00:45:01.900 --> 00:45:08.269
in an ego-created world. So it is people who we

748
00:45:08.349 --> 00:45:11.369
are not creating a world that we don't belong in.

749
00:45:12.309 --> 00:45:15.949
And now we need to get ourselves back to who

750
00:45:15.989 --> 00:45:20.309
we truly are and pull ourselves out of that ego-created world.

751
00:45:20.829 --> 00:45:22.949
Yes. Now, bingo. Wow.

752
00:45:23.949 --> 00:45:24.570
Bingo.

753
00:45:25.309 --> 00:45:33.239
Wow. Awakening, right? Yeah. Awakening, you got it. Bingo. Yes.

754
00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:36.119
So when people talk about the matrix, it's a matrix.

755
00:45:36.219 --> 00:45:40.320
We created this matrix. We are creating an ego world

756
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.320
that we don't belong in because that's not who we are.

757
00:45:42.340 --> 00:45:44.869
It's our false mind. False mind creates false world.

758
00:45:45.349 --> 00:45:46.409
Yes. Yes.

759
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:48.650
So then when we.

760
00:45:51.710 --> 00:45:53.789
We focus a lot over the last five years, these

761
00:45:53.829 --> 00:45:58.030
conversations on waking up, awakening, reconnecting. But then why are

762
00:45:58.050 --> 00:46:00.590
we here if our whole goal is always to go back?

763
00:46:02.809 --> 00:46:04.789
Good question, Awakened One. Why are we here?

764
00:46:05.150 --> 00:46:10.489
Oh, wonderful. You know, because you're here to go back

765
00:46:10.530 --> 00:46:12.809
to your real, right? Because when you go back to

766
00:46:12.829 --> 00:46:15.590
your real, you still live. But you live in a

767
00:46:15.630 --> 00:46:19.380
wake world, a wake mind. You live with true peace,

768
00:46:19.420 --> 00:46:20.679
true love, and true freedom.

769
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.480
And then you have a true experience of here. Right.

770
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:28.820
If you're here, but you live in a dream world,

771
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.579
you suffer. That's when you see how we're suffering right

772
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:34.570
now because they don't know who they truly are. Right?

773
00:46:34.650 --> 00:46:38.550
But if everybody wake up, everybody free. You have a

774
00:46:38.550 --> 00:46:38.849
lot of work.

775
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:42.500
Because there are a lot of people.

776
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.519
Sure. I mean, a wake-up is starting to open for

777
00:46:47.539 --> 00:46:50.260
you today. And after that, all people start to wake up,

778
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.719
wake up, wake up, wake up, right? And wake the

779
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:54.440
world up.

780
00:46:54.699 --> 00:46:57.760
It's like that shampoo commercial. I told two friends, and

781
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:02.059
they told two friends, and so on. We just dated

782
00:47:02.099 --> 00:47:04.280
ourselves pretty big time right there. Sorry to all the

783
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:05.880
youngins who don't know what the heck we're talking about.

784
00:47:07.699 --> 00:47:11.510
Something occurs to me. You mentioned going to you and

785
00:47:12.969 --> 00:47:16.510
working with you and having you help us to awaken

786
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:22.280
is wonderful. But how do you prevent someone from attaching

787
00:47:22.460 --> 00:47:27.079
to the false mind, swapping attachment to false mind to

788
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.030
attachment to a teacher or guru?

789
00:47:31.809 --> 00:47:34.909
Good question. Cannot. I wake up and will know. I

790
00:47:34.929 --> 00:47:37.739
will show them. Exactly. I will open it for them

791
00:47:37.780 --> 00:47:42.159
to see. That guy. When that guy step in and attach,

792
00:47:42.860 --> 00:47:44.900
they know. They know right away. And from that moment,

793
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:48.579
it starts to fall apart. Awakened will know exactly what's

794
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:53.219
happening in front of each person. And from there, I

795
00:47:53.260 --> 00:47:56.510
will open for them, show them exactly. And they will recognize.

796
00:47:57.849 --> 00:48:00.650
So you would prevent them from attaching to that, to

797
00:48:00.690 --> 00:48:01.530
swapping their attachment?

798
00:48:01.550 --> 00:48:04.550
Yes. Not only prevent, but I will show them. I

799
00:48:04.570 --> 00:48:07.349
will let them see that too. They are the ones

800
00:48:07.389 --> 00:48:09.630
to know that. Because sometimes they don't have no idea.

801
00:48:10.369 --> 00:48:12.949
They don't mean to attach. You see, they don't mean

802
00:48:12.969 --> 00:48:17.039
to attach to the light, awakened one, the teaching. But

803
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:19.099
because they don't know, because they see a lot in

804
00:48:19.139 --> 00:48:22.559
their illusion. Therefore, awakened one will show them, opening and

805
00:48:22.940 --> 00:48:26.429
point them. They got it. And from that moment, just

806
00:48:26.469 --> 00:48:31.449
start to fall apart. And from there, everything becomes pure, real,

807
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:35.650
and clarity. But next time, someone like that, we need

808
00:48:35.670 --> 00:48:37.730
a little bit of time. But if someone already has

809
00:48:37.750 --> 00:48:41.429
a question, and searching for the answer will become easy.

810
00:48:41.889 --> 00:48:43.769
But someone like that, take a little bit of time

811
00:48:43.809 --> 00:48:46.159
for a weak one to open for them, to show them,

812
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:51.400
to see the truth within themselves. You know, because it

813
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:56.650
depends on the purpose. Go back to the purpose. If

814
00:48:56.690 --> 00:49:01.880
you truly see how humans are suffering, you know why

815
00:49:01.929 --> 00:49:06.239
we suffer and we have a vow to wake up

816
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:11.920
and wake the world up. That will give us the momentum,

817
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:17.989
motivation to wake up, to move forward, right? It's not

818
00:49:18.309 --> 00:49:22.159
easy for someone to just fall back. to sleepiness. That's

819
00:49:22.179 --> 00:49:26.480
going to depend on the vow. Sometimes the vow is

820
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:35.719
very important. Yes. Someone awake or not already wake them up,

821
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:40.900
they know it. Everything clear. But after that, depend on

822
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.480
each person's vow. For Awakened One, when I was born, naturally,

823
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.820
I have a vow. I saw how humans are suffering.

824
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.980
I see they don't know who they truly are. They

825
00:49:52.019 --> 00:49:55.400
have no idea. They think their life like that is normal.

826
00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:00.280
But from that moment, just a vow appeared. I need

827
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.059
to go home. I need to go home. To truly

828
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:05.550
go back to my real and replay all that happened.

829
00:50:06.110 --> 00:50:08.630
call something and then wake the world up that is

830
00:50:08.829 --> 00:50:12.210
i carry that vow because that vow make me constantly

831
00:50:12.250 --> 00:50:14.869
to walk the path until i finally find out the

832
00:50:14.929 --> 00:50:17.190
answer from the moment i wake up one find out

833
00:50:17.210 --> 00:50:19.710
the answer the journey i start to wake the world

834
00:50:19.750 --> 00:50:25.670
up until now almost 20 24 years it's naturally for

835
00:50:25.690 --> 00:50:27.769
me become natural i don't need to think i don't

836
00:50:27.789 --> 00:50:29.119
need that come from the.

837
00:50:29.010 --> 00:50:31.929
Vow So if someone wants to work with you, but

838
00:50:31.949 --> 00:50:37.989
they can't get to Thailand or Texas, can.

839
00:50:38.150 --> 00:50:38.849
They work with you?

840
00:50:38.889 --> 00:50:41.329
Can you do it virtually like we're talking now? Or

841
00:50:41.429 --> 00:50:43.150
is that not as effective? Or does it not work

842
00:50:43.190 --> 00:50:43.489
at all?

843
00:50:44.989 --> 00:50:48.190
If the first time, if they have a chance to

844
00:50:48.210 --> 00:50:52.980
meet an awakened one from the beginning, it's wonderful. But

845
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:55.360
if not, an awakened one still works with them far away.

846
00:50:56.019 --> 00:50:58.800
Like you are today, right? I feel open for you today.

847
00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:02.630
right but and then sometimes we need to follow up

848
00:51:03.369 --> 00:51:05.389
we need to be nearby awakened one in order to

849
00:51:05.769 --> 00:51:09.769
awaken we're testing some part right testing for them to

850
00:51:09.829 --> 00:51:13.090
see where are they now some moment i test them

851
00:51:13.730 --> 00:51:17.469
in the living moment where are you now who you

852
00:51:17.510 --> 00:51:20.389
truly are some testing and from there give them a

853
00:51:20.429 --> 00:51:24.440
chance to awakening in the living moment right.

854
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:28.139
You help them to recognize it in the moment that

855
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:28.559
they're waking up.

856
00:51:28.579 --> 00:51:31.840
In the living moment, in the living moment, like testing, right?

857
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:35.820
Testing in the living moment. And when things happening, how

858
00:51:35.900 --> 00:51:40.769
are they at that moment? When the situation happening, not

859
00:51:40.849 --> 00:51:44.210
exactly what they want, how are they? What is this?

860
00:51:44.369 --> 00:51:46.789
Who you truly are? Where you truly home? Literally what?

861
00:51:47.110 --> 00:51:49.530
Something happening like that, a way one will testing them. Therefore,

862
00:51:49.949 --> 00:51:52.820
you need to be nearby awakened one for testing. And

863
00:51:52.860 --> 00:51:55.199
then from there, everything clear, you can bring that in

864
00:51:55.219 --> 00:51:57.659
your daily life to continue to walk the path and

865
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.699
sometimes come back with Awakened One. I test you in

866
00:52:00.739 --> 00:52:03.869
a different level, deeper, deeper, deeper, until you move to

867
00:52:03.889 --> 00:52:05.010
the final destination.

868
00:52:08.849 --> 00:52:12.889
Wow. Okay, so Awakened One, you are working on a

869
00:52:12.929 --> 00:52:14.809
very special project right now.

870
00:52:15.050 --> 00:52:16.329
Yes, special project.

871
00:52:17.349 --> 00:52:20.550
Is that true? You want to fill us in on

872
00:52:20.570 --> 00:52:21.110
that project?

873
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:28.110
Yeah, I work day and night. Just sometimes here, sometimes Thailand,

874
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:35.309
sometimes Vietnam. Yeah, but it becomes natural for me. The

875
00:52:35.329 --> 00:52:38.030
Gray Vow, you talk about Gray Vow Project? Yes. We

876
00:52:38.050 --> 00:52:40.730
talk about Gray Vow Project. Oh, Gray Vow Project right

877
00:52:40.750 --> 00:52:45.889
now in the Universal Door Meditation Center. Because right now

878
00:52:45.909 --> 00:52:49.300
a lot of students come. to want to be here

879
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.780
for five days, seven days, ten days, to go deeper

880
00:52:53.820 --> 00:52:56.949
between Awakened One and Sangha for them. Therefore, we don't

881
00:52:56.969 --> 00:53:01.429
have enough space. And create our project to build Awakened Center.

882
00:53:01.889 --> 00:53:04.969
More space, more room for students to come, to live

883
00:53:05.010 --> 00:53:08.000
for three days, five days, ten days, seven days, to truly,

884
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:14.400
to truly step into awakening, liberation. And that one, we

885
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:16.239
open to build Awakened Center.

886
00:53:16.260 --> 00:53:20.639
Right. And how's that going? Is that going to open up?

887
00:53:21.219 --> 00:53:23.340
What point is that project right now?

888
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:27.159
Right now, we're on the way. Right now, everything's prepared,

889
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.639
ready to build, ready to... The architects start to go

890
00:53:30.659 --> 00:53:34.769
deeper to draw and ready to apply, put in the city,

891
00:53:34.909 --> 00:53:39.630
and then from there, we start. Maybe we'll start soon. Right.

892
00:53:39.690 --> 00:53:41.469
That's very exciting. We'll start to build the center of

893
00:53:41.489 --> 00:53:47.119
ASU soon. Truly, to build a center for many years already,

894
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:49.800
but the reason Awakened One didn't build yet, because Awakened

895
00:53:49.820 --> 00:53:53.840
One would like to spend more time to awakening students first. Right.

896
00:53:53.940 --> 00:53:56.889
To help them, to core students, monks and nuns here,

897
00:53:56.969 --> 00:53:59.409
and core students and travelers around the world, to help

898
00:53:59.449 --> 00:54:02.070
them to be clear for awakening, and then now they

899
00:54:02.090 --> 00:54:02.989
can walk their own.

900
00:54:03.010 --> 00:54:04.050
Right.

901
00:54:04.190 --> 00:54:08.260
And therefore, Awakened One now have time to start to

902
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:10.780
build a center. Right. And then when I build a center,

903
00:54:10.820 --> 00:54:13.340
we have more students to help more people to come

904
00:54:14.050 --> 00:54:16.809
to awakening along the way. Yes. And right now, very clear,

905
00:54:16.829 --> 00:54:19.369
very stable right now. Okay.

906
00:54:19.449 --> 00:54:21.289
And when do you think it will open?

907
00:54:22.769 --> 00:54:26.530
Maybe we're just ready to build for maybe next year, right?

908
00:54:26.989 --> 00:54:29.469
And then I think within one year, two years, everything's done,

909
00:54:29.550 --> 00:54:32.340
and then the door opens for everybody to come. Right now,

910
00:54:32.380 --> 00:54:35.000
Awake One is still open to welcome people to come,

911
00:54:35.019 --> 00:54:39.519
but still limited to the room space. But if we're

912
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:48.570
willing to leave everywhere on the floor, understand everything so

913
00:54:48.610 --> 00:54:49.300
bring a.

914
00:54:49.250 --> 00:54:55.050
Sleeping bag is what you're saying so if we can

915
00:54:55.070 --> 00:54:56.570
when is there anything that you want to make sure

916
00:54:56.610 --> 00:54:59.789
that you you talk about that you you have our

917
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audience know about what what's the important thing that you

918
00:55:02.829 --> 00:55:04.030
want to share with them.

919
00:55:04.030 --> 00:55:07.840
Right now The importance for Awakened One to share today,

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I let you know that everybody has their potential. It's

921
00:55:11.860 --> 00:55:13.900
a real you. Everybody needs to go back to live

922
00:55:13.940 --> 00:55:18.349
with that. And Awakened One will help them to go

923
00:55:18.409 --> 00:55:20.130
back to live with that. When you live with that,

924
00:55:21.110 --> 00:55:27.949
everything opens. True love appears. True wisdom appears. True freedom appears.

925
00:55:28.090 --> 00:55:31.800
And then all the conflict between themselves, between husband and wife,

926
00:55:31.820 --> 00:55:37.489
parents and children, and the co-worker, society, everything will fall apart.

927
00:55:38.369 --> 00:55:43.070
From there, no more fighting. Because when everybody go back

928
00:55:43.090 --> 00:55:46.570
to live with the true love, awakening, and they see

929
00:55:46.610 --> 00:55:49.769
things as they are, and no more fighting. And then

930
00:55:49.809 --> 00:55:51.590
the world will become happy.

931
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:52.519
Hmm.

932
00:55:53.030 --> 00:55:56.210
Yes, it's true. Everybody will become happy. Everybody will look

933
00:55:56.230 --> 00:55:59.650
at each other and just smile. No more hatred, no

934
00:55:59.690 --> 00:56:03.449
more conflict, no more fighting. And that is the truth.

935
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And also, awakened ones know that I know I can

936
00:56:07.090 --> 00:56:12.079
help people. It's become natural for me. Depends on how

937
00:56:12.179 --> 00:56:15.519
are they. Are they willing to awaken? Are they willing

938
00:56:15.579 --> 00:56:17.840
to wake up and be free and truly happy and free?

939
00:56:18.179 --> 00:56:20.739
That depends on each person. For awakened ones, it's easy

940
00:56:20.780 --> 00:56:21.780
for me to help people.

941
00:56:22.139 --> 00:56:25.000
But that's the rub, right? Someone has to be ready

942
00:56:25.059 --> 00:56:28.360
for it or want it, right? I was about to say,

943
00:56:28.380 --> 00:56:30.300
you need to hurry up a week in one because

944
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:33.480
things are getting hot and heavy out here, right? But

945
00:56:33.539 --> 00:56:36.079
you can't force someone to wake up. They have to

946
00:56:36.219 --> 00:56:39.460
want or be ready to do it. So how can we,

947
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:43.929
just regular people who are walking down the path, how

948
00:56:43.969 --> 00:56:48.150
can we help those to realize that they're not actually

949
00:56:49.170 --> 00:56:50.610
living from their real selves?

950
00:56:51.539 --> 00:56:55.079
You know why no one wants to be stuck in

951
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:59.039
the suffering? No one wants to be in stress, hatred, conflict.

952
00:56:59.300 --> 00:57:03.130
Everybody wants to be truly free, truly happy. Everybody needs that,

953
00:57:03.150 --> 00:57:06.210
but they have no idea. They have no idea, but

954
00:57:06.369 --> 00:57:10.349
I think if they know, no one denies that. No

955
00:57:10.429 --> 00:57:13.099
one denies to go back to their real. No one

956
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:16.079
denies to be truly happy. Because all they lose, they

957
00:57:16.099 --> 00:57:18.380
do their hatred, they do their suffering, they do their conflict.

958
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:22.920
They lose their attachment to call them suffering. But again,

959
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:26.519
they gain the true happiness, true love, true freedom. And

960
00:57:27.179 --> 00:57:31.429
open vast space. Why not? And awake ones say, if

961
00:57:31.469 --> 00:57:34.840
they know, I think they never deny about that. And

962
00:57:34.940 --> 00:57:37.889
if awakened one is real, awakened one have the capacity

963
00:57:37.909 --> 00:57:40.469
to help them, to wake them up. Why they deny?

964
00:57:41.030 --> 00:57:44.420
But sure, awakened one cannot force them to wake up

965
00:57:44.460 --> 00:57:47.500
and re-pray. But I know, I guarantee you, whoever know

966
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:52.110
about True love, true wisdom, true compassion, and connect with

967
00:57:52.130 --> 00:57:54.070
the awakened one. Everybody wants to go back to live

968
00:57:54.090 --> 00:57:56.320
with that. How about you both? Would you like to

969
00:57:56.360 --> 00:57:58.420
go back and live with that after you've met the

970
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.219
awakened one? Absolutely.

971
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:04.360
We need to have you back because we're running out

972
00:58:04.380 --> 00:58:06.320
of time. And the question that jumps out to me

973
00:58:06.420 --> 00:58:09.190
immediately is the fact that there are those that are

974
00:58:09.349 --> 00:58:17.110
actually happy being angry or suffering. They really enjoy the drama.

975
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:18.780
They like to spread the wealth.

976
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:21.239
And they like to spread the wealth. So what would

977
00:58:21.260 --> 00:58:23.980
you say to those folks?

978
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:30.260
Oh, even they know that. But deep inside, they still feel.

979
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:33.570
Even they say, I'm okay. I'm okay with anything. But

980
00:58:33.619 --> 00:58:36.320
truly deep inside, they still know they are not okay.

981
00:58:37.090 --> 00:58:39.389
They can okay from outside. They can tell you that.

982
00:58:39.889 --> 00:58:42.429
But deep inside, they still feel that. They're still stuck.

983
00:58:42.769 --> 00:58:45.210
They are not truly happy between themselves and those people

984
00:58:45.289 --> 00:58:48.699
around them. They know that. Yes, awakened ones already met

985
00:58:48.739 --> 00:58:51.659
a lot of people. Outside, they say, oh, I don't care.

986
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:55.920
I'm okay. I'm okay. I can do whatever I want.

987
00:58:55.940 --> 00:58:59.460
I'm okay with any situation. But truly, later, they tell

988
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.610
awakened ones, truly, deep inside, by themselves, they just hide.

989
00:59:02.989 --> 00:59:05.869
They hide. They cover. Deep inside, they're not truly happy.

990
00:59:05.889 --> 00:59:08.869
They're truly free. Right. And they saw their beloved not

991
00:59:08.909 --> 00:59:12.489
truly happy and truly free. Therefore, they told Awakened One

992
00:59:12.510 --> 00:59:15.150
that truly they want to go back to their view.

993
00:59:15.510 --> 00:59:17.989
It's not easy, but they're willing to walk the path.

994
00:59:18.820 --> 00:59:21.469
Something like that. That one depends on each person. I

995
00:59:21.510 --> 00:59:24.099
think everybody wants to go back to their view.

996
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:27.300
And if that doesn't work, a two-by-four to the head

997
00:59:27.500 --> 00:59:31.159
always does, right?

998
00:59:31.219 --> 00:59:35.159
I'm not going to wake him up.

999
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:38.909
Awaken when someone wanted to work with you or visit

1000
00:59:38.949 --> 00:59:43.489
you wherever you are, Texas or Thailand. How could someone

1001
00:59:43.590 --> 00:59:47.880
get more information about the center, working with you, things

1002
00:59:47.889 --> 00:59:48.219
like that?

1003
00:59:49.460 --> 00:59:54.469
Yeah, they can call the center with the number. Yeah,

1004
00:59:54.550 --> 00:59:58.769
and come to the website, Universal Door Meditation Center, Facebook,

1005
00:59:59.730 --> 01:00:02.880
and easy. If they truly knock the door, the door

1006
01:00:02.900 --> 01:00:03.360
will open.

1007
01:00:04.300 --> 01:00:06.820
So we're going to add a direct link to those

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01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:09.539
locations in our show notes. So all you need to

1009
01:00:09.579 --> 01:00:13.769
do is go to skepticmetaphysician.com, go to the Awakened Ones episode,

1010
01:00:13.929 --> 01:00:15.869
and you will see those links directly there, so it's

1011
01:00:16.030 --> 01:00:16.960
easy for you to connect. I.

1012
01:00:19.579 --> 01:00:21.989
I need to find a way to get to you

1013
01:00:22.030 --> 01:00:23.789
because I got it. Finally, I got it.

1014
01:00:25.489 --> 01:00:29.250
It means you already connect with the awakened one, like Wi-Fi, right? Yeah.

1015
01:00:29.289 --> 01:00:32.639
Wi-Fi connection, right? Yeah. Right now, you know, in the Wi-Fi, right?

1016
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:35.559
Wi-Fi on and Wi-Fi off. When you connect with the

1017
01:00:35.579 --> 01:00:39.460
awakened one, like Wi-Fi on, right? And then before, before

1018
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:40.199
it's offline.

1019
01:00:40.260 --> 01:00:43.539
Now online, right? The trick is... Continue to be online.

1020
01:00:43.699 --> 01:00:47.389
After you, you close. You separate from awakened one. Continue

1021
01:00:47.409 --> 01:00:48.789
to be online with awakened one, right?

1022
01:00:48.829 --> 01:00:52.829
That's the trick. That's it. That is the trick. All right.

1023
01:00:53.340 --> 01:00:56.579
This Awakened One has been absolutely amazing having you on

1024
01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:58.619
the show today. Thank you so much for coming and

1025
01:00:58.659 --> 01:01:00.480
sharing your wisdom. I know this is not the last

1026
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:01.940
time that we'll see each other. So thank you so

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01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:03.219
much for everything.

1028
01:01:05.260 --> 01:01:07.760
Thank you. Truly, Awakened One, very happy to meet you

1029
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.000
both today. You both have potential to wake up. You

1030
01:01:12.019 --> 01:01:15.719
both very connect with Awakened One. Everything opens. It becomes natural.

1031
01:01:15.780 --> 01:01:19.019
Very easy. Whenever Awakened One opens, you connect right away

1032
01:01:19.059 --> 01:01:23.010
without thinking. And that means you already have connection with

1033
01:01:23.050 --> 01:01:24.829
awakened one. Keep connection.

1034
01:01:25.550 --> 01:01:25.849
Awesome.

1035
01:01:25.969 --> 01:01:29.710
And awakened one always there to help you. And liberation,

1036
01:01:30.269 --> 01:01:32.050
the fourth mind. Thank you.

1037
01:01:32.389 --> 01:01:34.239
Thank you very much, awakened one. It's a pleasure to

1038
01:01:34.260 --> 01:01:34.500
meet you.
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Dieu Thien Thich

I came into this world knowing I did not belong to it, but to a place beyond—a luminous source of lasting peace and clarity that I now call the Awakened Home. While others embraced the rhythms of human life, I saw through them: impermanence, change, and suffering woven into every aspect of human experience. Joy and sorrow, love and hate, success and failure, birth and death – none of it felt like Home. Deep inside, I knew my true Home was beyond this transient world, and my lifelong quest was to find the way back to Awakened Home, the source from which all beings originated.

Even as a child, I was consumed with questions others weren’t asking. What is real love? Why is there suffering? What is the purpose of all this? The need to find the answers was not intellectual. It was spiritual, personal, and urgent. Without answers, living felt like dying.

My deep inner quest led me to become a Buddhist nun at age 18. I devoted myself to spiritual practice, studying sacred texts, practicing countless methods and techniques, and I even earned a Master’s in Comparative Religion and Holistic Health. Yet, I still could not find the answers to my restless questions.

In 2001, hitting the rock bottom of my search while attending a layperson meditation retreat in Thailand, I attained Enlightenment. I became a Buddha, fully Awakening and completely shattering the root of all suffering. At that moment, all the identities and concepts of the human system dissolved. What remained was vast, radiant, serene, and peaceful. I returned to Awakened Home, and at that mome… Read More

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