In this heartwarming episode, Will and Karen sit down with Brien Egan, an experienced cacao ceremony facilitator, to discuss the rich spiritual essence and metaphysical wonders of cacao ceremonies.

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Main Themes:

  • Cacao as Medicine: Brian Egan distinguishes the ceremonial-grade cacao from everyday chocolate, emphasizing its role as a gentle medicine that nurtures heart consciousness and spiritual growth.
  • Intention and Ritual: The importance of setting intentions and the use of ichiros (medicine songs) and energy-clearing tools are discussed, underscoring the significance of creating a sacred ceremonial space.
  • Heart Intelligence: The episode dives into the concept of “heart math,” exploring the research that investigates the heart’s capacity for intelligence that goes beyond its biological functions.
  • Sacred Presence: The hosts and guest reflect on how sacred medicines like cacao help individuals stay in the present moment, assisting them on their spiritual paths and providing transformative experiences.
  • Energetic Connection: Ceremonial cacao is metaphorically described as an “energetic hug.” Its ability to foster connection and acceptance is explored, with a note on its mild nature compared to other psychedelics.
  • Music and Gratitude: The cleansing power of music and the act of expressing gratitude when consuming food are touched upon, hinting at a future where medicine could increasingly incorporate sound and vibration.
  • Voice as Healing: The hosts and guest share personal stories about the healing aspects of the human voice, including its use in medical settings such as a hospital NICU.
  • The “Ah” Connection: The conversation turns to the significance of the sound “ah” in spiritual practice and its connection to the divine.
  • Practical Application: Listeners are provided with practical advice on how to participate in cacao ceremonies and sound healing in their own lives.
  • Guided Meditation: The episode wraps up with a serene guided meditation centered on relaxation, gratitude, and acceptance, inviting the audience to let go of stress and connect with love and vibration.

Take a deeper dive into this episode at the blog:
https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/blog/cacao-sound-bath

Guest Info:
Website: https://www.soundhealingconservatory.org
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/brien.egan/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/brien.egan/

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don't we get started with the show. Today's topic centers around a heart opening,

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consciousness raising infinite intelligence that we are
all already partaking in without even knowing

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it now. Although that might be
a simplistic way of broach in the topic,

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we are already partaking in it.
However, we are missing a very

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specific element that activates this powerful medicine. And we're talking, of course,

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about the power of cacao. With
us here today to separate fact from myth

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is ca Cow ceremony facilitator Brian Egan. Brian, thank you so much for

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being on the show today. Thank
you, thank you for having me,

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thanks for being here. I'm really
grateful to be here now. We're thrilled

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to have you. Let's just right
off the bats at the table. Caw

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ceremonies are very well known in South
America and all those kinds of places.

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Uh And let's talk a tough subject
first. Right here, you are a

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white guy who is facilitating cal ceremonies. First, let's talk what does coo

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cow do? We all know about
ayahuasca and cybin and things like that,

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but cakaw is very much more gentle
medicine. Let's talk about that. And

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then how did you fall into this
facilitating of of this wonderful medicine. So

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yeah, right up the bat,
the the elephant in the room. Yeah,

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I'm just a uh a, a
white guy facilitating practicing. I'm holding

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the sacred space because it there's not
someone here holding that space. And I

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recognize that, and I also recognize
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shell that we give it with chocolate
m you know, and and that the

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more that we can embody that sacredness
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ability to open us into a higher
heart consciousness, which is which is what

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ascension and evolution is, you know, it's it's moving from the beyond the

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physical, the three lower dimensions of
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the heart, where we can be
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love in every opportunity, in every
situation in our life. And the more

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that I've worked with this medicine and
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able to allow my own heart space
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our heart, our heart gives a
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Are you guys familiar with the heart
math Institute of course? Okay, so

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you know it's commonplace now. Twenty
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it was like what is this?
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and like why is this a thing? Why are we studying how the

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heartbeat goes? Can we how does
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us the future, show us the
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core vibrations of what we are.
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with heart math, we're talking,
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its own intelligence and there's an institute
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intelligence and all the different aspects of
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way beyond just pumping blood through our
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of the heart, I want to
say that I do appreciate you. You're

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coming in. We talked about you, this white guy, and there's a

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difference between appropriating and honoring, right
and just hearing, you know, the

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little conversation we had before this,
hearing how you talk about it and how

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you present it is just filled with
so much love. And I just want

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to make sure that everyone really understands
that that this is about honoring this,

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the sacred medicine, right It's it's
not about me. It's not about what

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my skin looks like. It's not
about the you know, the the past

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of our futures or or where our
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It's about where we are right now, you know. It's not about and

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the heart and the therapeore means that
are activated in the cacau and all these

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things. They move us, they
open us, they bring us into that

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space. You know, this this
fell into my lap. I didn't ask

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for this medicine to be a part
of my life. It showed up and

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it like it just and I was
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where we're moving, you know.
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a little bit earlier, and I'll
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you the end of it, which
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you know. And as all these
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progresses, it becomes to a point
where it does teach you, like the

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the journey teaches you. The the
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and teach you, and they show
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And this this really just showed up. Somebody contacted me because I've been leading

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the meditations for years, and she
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was coming into town and he he
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who who lived on a giant forty
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organized massive cow ceremonial like multi tribe
gatherings to like bring an honor cacaw.

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You know, it was their their
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he brought that medicine here and and
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and and and explained to me the
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fits with what we're doing, with
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the work of showing up for people
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and that's what this shamanic spiritual journey
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cacao and so so he didn't even
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and I was like what. He's
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this, And I'm like, what
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do it because he had to go
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okay. I actually got to lead
with him with him after that and he

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was like it was it was really
awesome, but it was wolves you can

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do it. I'm like, all
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know, a stumbling journey, and
I'm glad that our whole spiritual community,

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including the area and everybody here has
shown up and held space for me while

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I was learning. And yeah,
and that's just so wonderful. And before

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we get too deep into that,
I want to kind of clarify because at

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the beginning we said everyone's partaking in
this because everybody chocolate, everybody loves chocolate.

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Cacao is different. First, can
you just tell us. How like,

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what's the difference. So someone can't
just you know, buy a cand

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of bar and think, all right, I'm doing this. You know,

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why am I not healed? Is
that what I'm doing wrong? I think

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that's what you're doing wrong. I
need a lot of chocolate. So what

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is sacred cacaw? And that's different
from chocolate? Well, the chemical composition

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isn't too much different other than all
the additives and things. But as a

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whole, cacaw is the raw form
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And and the process is really interesting. I got to go to a cacao

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farm in Costa Rica and really like
check it out and see the whole process

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of how they cook the beans down
and they let it ferment first in the

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bag like they're like football sized pads, you know, and they take out

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and each one has little things in
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inside. It's really awesome and it
has a sweet flavor. The white goo

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that's on the inside another part of
it. So it's it's going back to

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the question, So, yeah,
what makes it, Like is it a

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certain type of cacaw that's used for
these ceremonies. Well, yeah, ceremony.

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Gar Gree cacao is is just processed
and the rows form it can be,

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and it's blessed and and songs are
sung to it and to help infuse

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it with the the intention and the
medicine of what it's supposed to be creating.

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And I think that's key, right. You can't just get you know,

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go to cos Rica or Ecuador or
wherever and get a cacao and create

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your own. I mean, I
guess you could create your own ceremony,

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but it's not it's the intention that
you put right well, And that's not

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to nullify those things, because people
do that all the time. Like there's

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there you can you can buy little
packets of you know, like ceremonial cacao,

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like just like individual things you can
like I don't think there's cacups of

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them, but there's you know,
really like it's it's it's becoming very very

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commonplace and accepted as as a sacred
right. You know a lot of women

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are using it for womb healing and
for holding that sacred energetic like it's like

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getting an energetic hug. That's that's
why chocolate is so so like soothing.

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Chocolate is soothing. We go to
it for that feeling that it creates.

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You know, it opens up your
heart space so that you can honestly connect

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because you're more in your heart space, and your heart space is the space

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where you're in a point of redemption
and like, and redemption is about acceptance

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and accepting all people and all cultures
and all things. Right. And we

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should definitely talk with the fact that
though this is a medicine, right,

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a typical ceremony with medicine like ayahuasca, cilocybin, it's much more gentle medicine.

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It's not something that's going to take
you on a trip for example that

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people are right. Yeah, you'll
just feel like more hyper and more uplifted

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and more excited about things and more
connected to others, right, things like

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that, Right, And so that's
that's what's so much fun about the cacao

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is that you really can like you
just feel so like blissed out when you

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leave. And and it's it's not
just the cacao though, it's it's the

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infusion of the vibration of the medicine, you know, And that's where the

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the ikoo, which is what I'm
going to share with you guys in a

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little bit comes in, you know. And so the ecroos are the medicine

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songs, and many different tribal traditions
have their own medicine songs that they work

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with. The ones that I use
are from the Peruvian tradition and the Shippibo,

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and they they are the ikio,
which are the medicine songs that are

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used in their work with ayahuasca and
with just general healing. You know,

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it's not it's not always about using
the medicine itself. It's about because it

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was never about the medicine. It's
about the vibration and understanding it. And

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as the shaman becomes comfortable with that, they never needed the when when they

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do the ceremonies in their tribes,
they don't the tribes people don't take the

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medicine because they don't need to,
right right, And as the shaman,

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if the shaman as they're going into
that state to be the transmission and to

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be the bridge between the energy and
the healing. So if someone wanted to

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attend one of these ceremonies, what
would they expect? How does the ceremony

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go? Oka cow While we get
set up and set intentions first, I've

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of a gopal like a a energy
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over the years is when i do
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through them and I'll also tone energy
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just to help them clear their whole
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gonna be doing today, the ecro
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spirit. So we're gonna be clearing
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that we are just in our own
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own heart coherence right right, and
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that element, that missing element that
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show, that the sac that even
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there's a missing element. And that
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the sacredness of the medicine, the
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all of that together is what makes
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you know, pop a piece of
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that, every time you eat a
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a piece of chocolate, go into
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say thank you for this. I
mean gratitude. Gratitude activates the highest

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vibrational frequency that we are. You
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now. You just gave him a
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what. I don't have a problem
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Fine, okay, so yes,
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word impurities, but you know,
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of course, right and and you
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you know, it's like we're not
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to live in the mountains and where
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difficult. We have to be in
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this dimension, right, and we
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and we have to be you know, like you know, and and these

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are the confines of what we're sitting
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on those roles and we have to
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even if it's difficult. Well,
it's interesting that we talk about the vibration

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of sound as being part of this
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in his readings once said that the
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and vibration and music. Yeah,
right, yeah, and so yeah,

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Wayne Perry one of the godfathers of
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couple of my conferences. He he's
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in a couple of months on it'll
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California and he does this. He
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is it. It really respects and
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voice is the perfect healing tool.
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it's the human voice. If you
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everything in your life and your experience. The vocal analysis thing he does,

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it takes apart your voice and like
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the way it sits and how that
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the different correspondences with your like how
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angle to sorry, but perfectly fine. But so basically you're not saying that

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I can go around and go I'm
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more to it than that, or
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a lot more, sorry, but
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more than that. I had a
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every space, you know, it
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way that it doesn't, you know. And and I've learned that with like

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because the things that I do with
my vocal work, I've been doing for

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twenty two years, and it's been
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really like splitting my voice in different
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time, and watching the sounds blend, and it's really neat. And as

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I learned to sing the ichoro and
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because I teach this. You know, I have a Sound Healing The Sound

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Healing Conservatory is the school that I
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is our fifth year. And that's
why I said, Wayne's come man.

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I've done conferences online and all kinds
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the ARIA for almost you know,
I've been working with the ARIA for twenty

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twenty two years and I've been you
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thirty years. You know, since
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it's been my like and we just
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gets placed towards supposed to be absolutely
so it is what it is. I

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love that. Thank you. So
once you really got involved, like full

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on in the Sound Healing, how
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Did you notice yourself changing, feeling
healthier? Yeah? It super heeled

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everything in my life. Yeah,
like in a lot of ways. The

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I could I have like a book
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I had to learn how to sing
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nicku because he was in the Niku
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singing and trying to bring bulls,
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snuck bulls into but they let us
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like, yeah, they actually invited
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sound for the families and stuff,
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much moved in so yeah, but
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I'd be toning for him, and
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room calm down to you know,
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know, there's like you know,
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like light acknowledges time, right,
sound acknowledges space. Let's take a break

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and we'll be right back. And
now back to the skeptic metaphysicians. So

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we're going to hear you perform some
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healing frequencies firsthand in just a few
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and the sacred ceremonies and things like
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the relationship between sounds and the ceremony. So how it activates. So I

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was just talking about time and space, right, which are acknowledged by the

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present moment right right by the here
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space, which is our presence.
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things at the same time, right
with the sound, with our breath,

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with our intentions, with the medicine
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gets our cells even more activated and
excited. It like just pushes us

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into this divine, open, clear
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the technology, almost like looking back
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I can be more loving and compassionate
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chocolate will soften your heart, you
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do you recommend piping chocolate into the
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of need that across the whole world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the

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mainline sound chocolate still set up in
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The God tone? Or what was
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about, like the chanting or something
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the sound, So this is thank
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my ceremonies another one of them,
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right, So so I just talked
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the clearing we go in and when
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it with everybody toning, so they'll
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which is the sound of God.
So the why I say that, it's

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from Wayne Dyer with WAYN. Dyer
from his book to Manifesting Your Destiny.

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I listen to that son of tapes
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you do. And if you look
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Wayne Dire Manifesting Meditation. It's like
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and a evening one. In the
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sound for God in all cultures.
That vowel sound is found in all cultures

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words for God. He had like
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every one of them was Ah.
God frequency god frequency, a lah brahma,

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right, all those yeah right wow, all the a so toning that

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ah opens the heart space because it's
the most it's the sound we make without

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putting any inflection on our voice whatsoever. Right, like just ah, you're

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not doing anything to your voice.
So it's that open source sound that we

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come from. Oh that's interesting and
like baby's first words, Mama or dad?

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Has that a sound? Yeah?
Yeah, wow, that's incredible me,

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you got it. I was like, whoa wow. So if somebody

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wanted to experience a cacaw ceremony,
uh what what's the best way for someone

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to dip their toe in this kind
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to guatam All or Peru or Ecuador, although they welcome to do so.

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I kind of do it more seasonally. Now I'm you know, this

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is my like like my sixth year
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it it's evolved, you know.
And I've I've done them at festivals,

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I've done them at all different places
locally and everywhere, and with yoga swings

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and without yoga swings and all the
different ways you can do cacao cool.

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So so then so then do they
just reach out to you? What's the

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best way for them to how do
they learn about these? Oh? Where

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the my my things are on on
on Facebook on my UH Sound Healing Conservatory

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pages where we have the main listings
of all the sound and cacal events that

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we have UH and the trainings and
the classes. The Sound Healing Conservatory dot

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org is the website for my Sound
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World EGO campus is my Facebook page
where we also have cacao events and some

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of the events up there and local
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started to help everybody as send fantastic. I know a lot of people,

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especially with COVID, you know,
people are being more careful, They're doing

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things remotely. A lot of the
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Is this something that someone could if
you had a class online kind of or

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a ceremony, could they follow along, Like could they get some sacred cacao

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and do this and the follow along
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neat. Yeah, that's something that
could be doable, like where you'd have

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them get the materials or you'd send
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you, and you can kind of
teach them. I actually I've taught it

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a few times as like a CACAA
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to be facilitators themselves. And like
the core aspect of what I teach is

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ritual and understanding that everything we do
is ritual all the time, every method,

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everything that we do, we make
a practic sport and we embed that

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practice in us and it shows up
and everything we do, you know,

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and so like to be more cognizant
and more aware of that. Yeah,

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the people that are listening to our
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from just from Yes, I actually
all of the things where I show up.

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I have an insight timer page where
I stream meditations weekly Sunday mornings from

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eight to nine am. And but
they have there it's the number one free

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meditation app in the world inside Timer, inside Timer. Yeah, and you

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can you can subscribe to it,
but you can also just be in there

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for free. And I have six
tracks on there right now I'm about to

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put two more on sound and one
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a couple of different like angel meditations, and there's four professionally recorded tracks of

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the bowls with me playing. Yeah, really good stuff. Very cool.

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Well, we are looking forward to
hearing and feeling the healing frequencies that you're

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about to perform for us. Before
we do that, I want to say

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thank you so much for talking,
coming and taking the time to explain and

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explore secret cacao and sound frequencies with
us. And we encourage everyone to reach

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out to Brian and participate because the
more we can open our hearts in this

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world to each other, the better
this world is going to be so true

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and so important. Yeah, so
we're going to leave you now with the

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sounds of beautiful sound frequencies healing frequencies
from Brian. That's going to do it

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for this episode. So we want
to thank you for tuning in this time

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around, Thanks for joining us.
We'll see you next time. With that,

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the floor is yours. Thank you. Calling yourself into a quiet,

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relaxed state, taking a deep,
full breath in, Can I think into

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your heart space, into your lungs, into your diaphragm, breathing in deep,

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holding it, being present with your
heart, thinking about something and someone

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you truly love, and slowly breathing
out into that space, and just letting

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yourself relax into this moment, relaxing
into where you are and how you are

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and accepting it just as it is. And take another deep, full breath

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in, deep into your belly,
deep into your lungs, breathing in deeper,

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holding it, holding in your heart
now something you're truly grateful for,

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something you want to allow more of
into your life, and slowly breathe out

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into that space and just let yourself
relax, feeling calm, easy, at

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peace, allowing your spirit to clear
of any disruptions, of any distractions,

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any extra attachments are falling away now
on the sound mm hmmm and nam then

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en bunging banging under an we name
your own, your own man, your

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own your own man rum moon name
on man yng on nang moon nag she

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nock no mo ho no tarcking or
I am nngi njoyami monng you're longley,

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I am in angry coodg the then
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new manner no no no mm s, finding yourself out in the silence,

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now, allowing the stillness into your
life and to your experience. With every

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breath and every step on your path
to wholeness and oneness, you allow your

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resonance, your love vibration, to
echo through. As you allow this,

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it becomes, and so it does, slowly coming back towards your fingers and

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toes, your hands and feet,
coming back your arms and legs, finding

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yourself and your torso and behind your
eyes as that still small, eternal voice.

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And when you're ready, you can
open your eyes feeling wide awake and

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wonderful. Thank you so much,
in a huge thank you to you.

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vibration of the planet together. Well, that's all for now. We will

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see you on the next episode of
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