Key Takeaways
- Doron Shalev brings a unique perspective as both a chemistry professor and a certified Reiki master teacher, bridging the gap between hard science and esoteric energy healing.
- Statistical thresholds used in mainstream science, such as the sigma thresholds for the Higgs boson, are often met or exceeded by rigorous studies on energy healing.
- Distance Reiki can be effectively utilized on oneself by employing a surrogate visualization or mental focus, offering a practical solution when hands-on self-healing proves difficult.
- Transitioning from traditional Reiki symbols to Kabbalistic healing demonstrates that different modalities can access the same foundational universal energy.
- Skeptics can experience undeniable proof of energy healing through direct personal practice, shifting their perspective from clinical doubt to active participation.
At Spirit Fest in Virginia Beach, Will and Karen "sit down" with Doron Shalev, a chemistry professor, crystallographer, and self-described skeptic who found his way into energy healing through an unlikely source: a stack of pandemic reading that started with crystal science and ended with a Reiki master teacher certification.
Doron makes the scientific case for "woo," walking through the statistical thresholds researchers use to validate findings like the Higgs boson, and why many energy-healing studies actually clear a higher bar of statistical significance than science is willing to credit. The conversation turns personal when Doron describes healing his own arthritis through distance Reiki, a technique he says works better on himself than hands-on healing ever did. He also shares his shift from traditional Reiki symbols to Kabbalistic healing, using one of the 72 names of God in place of the Cho Ku Rei symbol, and describes how he reads chakra energy to figure out whether what he's sensing is emotional or physical.
It's a rare conversation between a scientist and two skeptics-turned-believers, all circling the same question: what happens when the data starts pointing somewhere science hasn't caught up to yet.
Guest: Doron Shalev
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Frequently Asked Questions
How can a chemistry professor believe in energy healing?
Doron Shalev found that many peer-reviewed studies on energy healing meet high statistical significance thresholds, convincing him through the data that these phenomena are scientifically plausible and observable.
What is distance Reiki and how do you do it on yourself?
Distance Reiki involves sending healing energy across space using visualization or a surrogate, allowing practitioners to work on themselves or clients without direct physical contact.
What is Kabbalistic healing?
Kabbalistic healing is a modality that draws upon Jewish mysticism and the Tree of Life, using specific sacred elements like the 72 names of God instead of traditional Reiki symbols to channel energy.
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I will and this is Dawn Shalev. We are here
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live at spirit Fest and Virginia Beach at the Virginia
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Beach Convention Center, and we are accompanied by a fan
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of the show. Thanks for plugging in that huge but
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but but you. We've been following each other for a
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while and to our wonderful surprise, you are here as
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can get them. But are you there?
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So Doran, tell us about you. What are you exhibiting here?
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What's the why are you in Virginia Beach? Why are
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Well, I'm actually a chemistry professor by day and all
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of this, so I am the biggest skeptic out there.
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That's one reason I really like your show here, excell
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But during COVID, I had a huge pile of books
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to read, and the very top one was why Woo
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Woo works. It's all about the science behind this type
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of stuff, and so I'm a crystal engineer, a chrys lograferd.
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wasn't really resonating with the healing aspect too much of that.
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I eventually got my Raiki Master Teacher certification and I
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I think, how do we run across you? We've done
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you that crystal train after Yep, definitely. It's all over
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statistics on that said, we need to have a five
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So Will does rek awesome.
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the top of my foot and he's like, well, let
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girl like okay, well right right, not long before Karon
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knees and she was doing something off my head and
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distance is great, but me seem.
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That's fantastic. So then when someone comes to visit you,
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What what's what's at your booth? What's your jabe?
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observant Jew, and so I realized study Kablah that there's
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a lot of ergy healing and coblock, and so I
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just transition from raki healing to coblistic healing. So instead
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of using the choker ray symbol, I use something called Memheshin,
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which is one of the seventy two names of God.
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Same thing, accessing the same energy is just a different
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way to do it.
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Very cool.
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And so they come by and I do like a
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tree of life chakra balancing, so I get my readings
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off from the chakras. If it's a slight energy pool,
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I know it's emotional, spiritual, and I'll just put energy
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into the chakra and so there's no more feel. If
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it's very strong, it could be either strongly emotional or
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something physical. That's when I move off the chakra and
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I start scanning the body in the area to find
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out where the energy needs to go.
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That's amazing and it's been pretty spot on.
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I know.
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one time he took a stool plopped down. He's like,
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all right, do me.
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I'm like, oh, okay, And he's very his entire byes inflamed.
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