Key Takeaways
- Amiee Gibson created The Hidden Court of Heka as a luxury ritual perfume house rooted in the ancient Egyptian concept that words are magic.
- The perfumes are categorized into distinct worlds called chambers, such as the heart, dream, and whispers chambers, each representing a unique sense of belonging.
- Each fragrance is carefully formulated using a jojoba oil base and aged for eight to twelve weeks to allow complex scent notes to blend harmoniously.
- Amiee also handcrafts warded, protected spirit boards designed for solo use rather than traditional group settings.
- Applying a small amount of Vaseline to your pulse points before putting on the ritual perfume can significantly extend its longevity throughout the day.
At Spirit Fest in Virginia Beach, Will and Karen sit down with Amiee Gibson of The Hidden Court of Heka, a luxury ritual perfume house built entirely around one Egyptian concept: that words, spoken, written, or simply held in the heart, are magic.
Amiee walks through her three "chambers," each a scent world built around a different sense of belonging, from resin-and-rose blends to a dream-enhancing floral chamber of blue tansy and jasmine. She explains why her perfumes age for eight to twelve weeks before they're ready, how a jojoba-oil base gives them a two-year shelf life, and the small ritual trick that can stretch a single application to last all day.
The conversation turns personal and a little spooky when Amiee describes her handmade spirit boards, each one warded, engraved with an original incantation, and designed to be used alone rather than with a group, a deliberate departure from the Ouija boards most people grew up fearing.
It's a conversation about intention, craft, and the old idea that what you speak, you become.
Guest: Amiee Gibson, The Hidden Court of Heka
Find her: hiddencourtofhekka.com
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Frequently Asked Questions
What is ritual perfume?
Ritual perfume is a specialized fragrance designed to be applied during spiritual rituals, as a daily personal ritual, or to enhance specific intentions like meditation and sleep.
Who is Amiee Gibson?
Amiee Gibson is the founder of The Hidden Court of Heka, a luxury ritual perfume house and creator of handmade spiritual tools like warded spirit boards and custom journals.
What are the chambers in The Hidden Court of Heka?
The chambers are curated scent collections—including the chamber of heart, chamber of dream, and chamber of whispers—each built around different botanical notes and feelings of belonging.
How long do Amiee Gibson's ritual perfumes last?
The jojoba oil-based perfumes maintain their intended scent profile for about two years and can linger on the skin for up to 24 hours.
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We are surrounded by a plethora of amazing exhibitors
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Tell us all about what she's doing here.
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- Yeah, so present to you here, Amy Gibson.
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Amy, you are here with the hidden court of,
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what is it exactly, are we talking?
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- So the hidden court of Pekka is a ritual perfume
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a luxury perfume house.
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- No.
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- A luxury ritual perfumes in sense
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and different whole objects like spirit boards,
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journals, all the back and stuff.
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- So I've never heard the term ritual perfume.
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I think it's self explanatory, but what exactly is it
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- So ritual perfume is perfume that you can apply
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while doing a ritual.
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You can apply it as a ritual.
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- And you can apply it in a daily manner as well.
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So I personally use it myself.
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I use what I make.
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Now I apply it ritually to all of my pulse points
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every morning as a personal ritual.
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- So we're talking about rituals and what exactly
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is the goal of doing these rituals
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and using these types of perfumes, ritual perfumes?
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- So the hidden court of Pekka is,
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all about memory, transformation,
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and a sense of belonging.
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So my perfumes are separated in different chambers.
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I have a chamber of heart,
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and I have the chamber of whiskers.
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And so each chamber represents a different sense
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of belonging.
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So I've tried to create a place that you can visit,
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a world that you can enter,
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where you can find something that belongs to you
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And I love the hidden court of,
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oh you said it differently, you said Pekka, right?
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So I'm gonna try to,
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but it's cool it's got like an ancient Egyptian feel to it.
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So it's almost like these chambers are,
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like chambers are the pyramids, you know?
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- And if I move a little bit, you can kind of see it.
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- It has like this whole feel you walk in,
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it's dark, dimly lit, it's really cool.
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something bad coming through.
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- My drop, thank you.
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- I didn't think so, but that's what you, you know,
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you said see you got go.
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- So that's one of the reasons why I ward and protect my boards.
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- Before I give them, we're seldom to anybody
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because I want to make sure that whatever comes through
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is also some and is good.
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boards or hurt anybody.
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My spirit boards are a little different
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than the original Ouija boards because, you know,
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the original Ouija game, you had to have friends
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to make the game to have my Ouija boards,
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my spirit boards, you don't.
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- So you give them a set as a connection tool
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with the other side or divination tools
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they haven't said to them?
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I just am dropping once a day in honor of my birthday,
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- Happy birthday!
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- So I've got my newest one is Marin Ubet.
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Smells like incense.
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- Butchlea.
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- My chamber of heart is mostly resins and rose.
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that's the chamber for my liminal people, my dreamers.
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That kind of stuff.
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- I found it to be sell at least.
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- This smells you'll want to smell.
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yelling for attention at the same time.
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- Gotcha.
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- So now they all smell like they're supposed to smell.
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So they've been beaten down into submission
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- They have been gently blended.
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It have been gently blended.
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Does I know some perfumes are, you know,
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the last forever sent those into the little more.
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Chemically, yours sounds like they're made
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with this beautiful organic or fresh sort of products.
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- And it's all like it'll smell the way it's supposed to smell.
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to smell for about two years.
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- They're all formulated in hell about oil,
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which is actually the closest oil to the human sebum.
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- It's actually a liquid wax.
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I just ordered some of that for my nails.
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- Now I know why.
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- I just asked, "Quad."
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And I have an expert.
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which has a very long lifespan.
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- On the skin,
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microphones will last for at least 24 hours.
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- I put mine on yesterday.
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I just smell like it today.
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- That's awesome.
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you put a little bit of Vaseline on your close coins,
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and then apply the perfume over it,
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and it will smell for even longer.
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- It has to be cool.
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- Or for a really stressful day.
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- Yeah, keep that smelling in that.
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- So it feels like this has its origins
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in some sort of like a wica or something,
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some sort of witchcraft tradition.
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Is that fair?
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- So my inspiration is Egyptian magic.
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- Egyptian magic.
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- Heca is the Egyptian word for magic.
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which is that words are heca, words are magic.
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Not just spoken words, but written words,
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words that you think that are in your heart.
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- What you think, what you think,
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so you speak, what you speak to the pub.
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- And so that is the concept of what heca is.
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That is my inspiration.
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I spoke this into being, and so what is?
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- I love that.
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So much, guys, you've got to come out here,
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meet Amy Go, check out the hidden court of heca.
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That, they sound amazing.
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You know, I think I'm gonna go and experience it.
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- Now this one's mine.
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You've already had that.
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(laughing)
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- Okay, I'll hang with Clint,
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show him with Amy.
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(laughing)
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But regardless, she's just one of many, many exhibitors here
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at the Spirit Fettish Convention Center.
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You definitely wanna make it out here.
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If you have no plans for the weekend,
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we're here all day today until six o'clock.
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We're here tomorrow until five thirty.
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Come say hello to us.
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Come say hello to Amy.
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Come say, come have the free smells because--
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- Check out the Ouija boards.
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- Yeah.
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So is it, is it polite to say Ouija board
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or is it better to say Spirit board?
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- I call them Spirit boards.
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I have people who call them Ouija boards.
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- I started the whole conversation
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by saying Ouija boards.
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So it's on me.
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- I know, I did, it's my fault.
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But so, and then any other objects that you have
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that wanna make sure that you, that we focus on.
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- Sure.
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- I make, not only my own perfumes,
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my own Spirit boards, I also make my own incense.
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- Oh.
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- So I have that.
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I make journals.
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So I create all the art and I put the art
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on the front of these journals.
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- Is it the Egyptian type of themed arts?
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- Well, different kinds.
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- Oh, okay.
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So if there's something that's not Egyptian
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that's your bent, you can certainly look for what that is.
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But I also do take custom orders.
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So you don't find something that you like.
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I can always draw something up and send it to you that email.
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And you can tell me what you want to tweak anything.
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- Fabulous.
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- And I can make you whatever you want.
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- That's so awesome.
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- Awesome.
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So you can smell good, your house can smell good
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while you're journaling about what the Spirit board told you.
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The whole thing.
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That's right.
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- Now, we know for sure we want everybody to come here
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and meet you in person, Amy.
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But if they can't come for some reason
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or another part of the country
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where they're not close to Virginia Beach,
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is there a way for them to access your products?
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- Absolutely.
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You can visit me at hiddencourtofhaka.com.
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It's on, I have mail and website and I have an app and app.
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- Oh, that's it.
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- Perfect.
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- And Haka's H-E-K-K-A.
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- Yes.
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- H-E-K-A.
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- Oh, one K.
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H-E-K-A.
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So hiddencourtofhaka.com.
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Awesome.
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- Perfect.
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- Amy, thank you so much for something, Amy.
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- Thank you so much for having me.
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- Thanks for letting Karen drag you over here
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and giving us more.
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And that's cream2LowD.
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(dramatic music)
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- Do not touch that dial, do not touch that dial.
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There's nothing wrong with the computer.
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- Oh man, I just need myself on a big, great point.
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- We are back, sorry I'm will.
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- We're the skeptic musicians and we are back here.
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It's very fast in Virginia Beach.
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We are surrounded by a plethora of amazing exhibitors
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and care went and pulled this young lady from her tent,
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kicking and screaming to come talk to us.
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- Very gracious, this is a great tip.
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Tell us all about what she's doing here.
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- Yeah, so present to you here, Amy Gibson.
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Amy, you are here with the hidden court of,
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(laughing)
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what is it exactly, are we talking?
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- So the hidden court of Pekka is a ritual perfume
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a luxury perfume house.
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- No.
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- A luxury ritual perfumes in sense
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and different whole objects like spirit boards,
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journals, all the back and stuff.
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- So I've never heard the term ritual perfume.
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I think it's self explanatory, but what exactly is it
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because maybe it's not.
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- So ritual perfume is perfume that you can apply
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while doing a ritual.
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You can apply it as a ritual.
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- And you can apply it in a daily manner as well.
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So I personally use it myself.
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I use what I make.
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Now I apply it ritually to all of my pulse points
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every morning as a personal ritual.
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- Oh, nice.
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- So we're talking about rituals and what exactly
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is the goal of doing these rituals
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and using these types of perfumes, ritual perfumes?
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- So the hidden court of Pekka is,
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all about memory, transformation,
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and a sense of belonging.
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So my perfumes are separated in different chambers.
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So currently I have three chambers open.
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I have a chamber of heart,
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I have the chamber of dream,
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and I have the chamber of whiskers.
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And so each chamber represents a different sense
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of belonging.
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So I've tried to create a place that you can visit,
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a world that you can enter,
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where you can find something that belongs to you
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and that you belong to.
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- Oh, that sounds cool.
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And I love the hidden court of,
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oh you said it differently, you said Pekka, right?
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So I'm gonna try to,
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but it's cool it's got like an ancient Egyptian feel to it.
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So it's almost like these chambers are,
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like chambers are the pyramids, you know?
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- And if I move a little bit, you can kind of see it.
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Like, great.
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- It has like this whole feel you walk in,
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it's dark, dimly lit, it's really cool.
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- Thank you.
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- So these perfumes,
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Ouija boards and all that kind of stuff.
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I make every board myself.
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I design all the art.
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I make every single one myself.
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which is then covered and velvet.
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It's already been in jokes.
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It's been in boat.
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- Well, so you know, you hear about Ouija boards.
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I mean, something that we, as kids in the 80s,
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we kind of, well, maybe I just gave it us to play it around
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with it a little bit.
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but then you see the movies and it's always connected to like
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something bad coming through.
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- Is that true?
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- My drop, thank you.
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- I didn't think so, but that's what you, you know,
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you said see you got go.
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Don't use the Ouija board because, you know.
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- So that's one of the reasons why I ward and protect my boards.
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- Oh.
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- Before I give them, we're seldom to anybody
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because I want to make sure that whatever comes through
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is also some and is good.
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boards or hurt anybody.
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My spirit boards are a little different
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than the original Ouija boards because, you know,
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the original Ouija game, you had to have friends
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to make the game to have my Ouija boards,
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my spirit boards, you don't.
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You can use them by yourself.
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- So you give them a set as a connection tool
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with the other side or divination tools
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or all of the above, yeah.
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- All of the above.
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Another vendor I gotta go see after that.
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- You can't even talk about that.
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- I'm gonna be broke by the end of the week.
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- It's week.
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they haven't said to them?
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- They all have different scent.
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So that currently nine.
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I just am dropping once a day in honor of my birthday,
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which is today.
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- Happy birthday!
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- So I've got my newest one is Marin Ubet.
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And it is a Rose resin blend.
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It's very, very lovely.
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- So are most of the scents in an earthly family
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or do you have different, like?
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- So I have different ones.
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My chamber of whispers is like more like incense.
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Smells like incense.
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So there's a lot of sandalwood, frankincense, more.
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- Butchlea.
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- I don't have anything with the chule right now.
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That's on my list.
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- Oh, okay.
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- My chamber of heart is mostly resins and rose.
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And then my chamber of dreams,
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that's the chamber for my liminal people, my dreamers.
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So that one is blue, tancy, jasmine,
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it's the violet leaf.
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That kind of stuff.
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So that's my floral chamber.
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- Now is that something that you could put on
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and then before you go to bed?
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Does it help enhance your dreams?
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- Yes.
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- Wow.
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- I found it to be sell at least.
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- Wow, that's awesome.
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- So do you provide free smell?
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- Of course.
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- Oh, literally.
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Oh, nothing really didn't come to Virginia Beach
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and then just entered into your fest, free smells.
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This is much better than that.
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- Pretty good, it smells like clarifying that.
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'Cause you get some free smells anyway, really.
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- Yeah, but this is way better than that.
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- This smells you'll want to smell.
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- It's way better than that same with shop for sure.
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So you talk about the one that's just being released now.
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How long did it take you?
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How long did it take you to produce these things
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or come up with these things?
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- So I come up with them over a few days.
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I make them and then all of my perfumes age
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at least e-licks.
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- Oh wow.
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- So what you're smelling is not a brand new perfume.
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It's something that has mastered it for at least eight weeks.
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These two NOS have mastered it for 12 weeks.
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- So there's a good thing I'm assuming
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'cause I don't know either of our perfumes, but.
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- So it sounds like it's good.
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- When you make a perfume,
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you originally will smell all the different parts of it.
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So my perfumes regularly have eight to 10 different components.
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When you smell it, it smells like a train rack at first
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because it smells every single little thing
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and sometimes some of them are trying
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to spring louder than the rest.
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all the back kind of melts together
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and becomes one scent.
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Whereas before it smells like all of them
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yelling for attention at the same time.
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- Gotcha.
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- So now they all smell like they're supposed to smell.
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So they've been beaten down into submission
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and just like just like nice and was playing nice.
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- They have been gently blended.
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It have been gently blended.
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- So male energy, female energy.
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(laughing)
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- So do they have like a lifespan?
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Does I know some perfumes are, you know,
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the last forever sent those into the little more.
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Chemically, yours sounds like they're made
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with this beautiful organic or fresh sort of products.
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Do they have a life-elinative lifespan
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or do those just last?
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- So lifespan as far as how long the oil's last?
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- And it's all like it'll smell the way it's supposed to smell.
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- So they'll smell the way that they're supposed
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to smell for about two years.
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- Oh, two years.
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- Wow.
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- That's great.
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Yes.
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- They're all formulated in hell about oil,
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which is actually the closest oil to the human sebum.
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- Wow, I did not know that.
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- It's actually a liquid wax.
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- So we have a liquid wax inside of this?
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- That makes sense.
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I just ordered some of that for my nails.
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So this must have helped your nail beds.
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- Yes.
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- Now I know why.
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- Yep.
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- Well, that's cool.
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- I just asked, "Quad."
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And I have an expert.
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- Yep.
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So they are all made with that,
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which has a very long lifespan.
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- On the skin,
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microphones will last for at least 24 hours.
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- Wow.
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- I put mine on yesterday.
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I just smell like it today.
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- That's awesome.
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And if you wanted to last even longer, a little tip,
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you put a little bit of Vaseline on your close coins,
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and then apply the perfume over it,
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and it will smell for even longer.
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- Wow.
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- It has to be cool.
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- Or for a really stressful day.
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- Yeah.
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- Yeah, keep that smelling in that.
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- So it feels like this has its origins
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in some sort of like a wica or something,
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some sort of witchcraft tradition.
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Is that fair?
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- So my inspiration is Egyptian magic.
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- Egyptian magic.
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- Heca is the Egyptian word for magic.
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And it's actually the Egyptian concept of magic,
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which is that words are heca, words are magic.
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Not just spoken words, but written words,
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words that you think that are in your heart.
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- 100%.
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- Yeah.
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- What you think, what you think,
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so you speak, what you speak to the pub.
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- Right.
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- And so that is the concept of what heca is.
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That is my inspiration.
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I spoke this into being, and so what is?
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- I love that.
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So much, guys, you've got to come out here,
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meet Amy Go, check out the hidden court of heca.
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That, they sound amazing.
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You know, I think I'm gonna go and experience it.
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- Now this one's mine.
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You've already had that.
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(laughing)
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- Okay, I'll hang with Clint,
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show him with Amy.
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(laughing)
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But regardless, she's just one of many, many exhibitors here
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at the Spirit Fettish Convention Center.
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You definitely wanna make it out here.
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If you have no plans for the weekend,
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we're here all day today until six o'clock.
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We're here tomorrow until five thirty.
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Come say hello to us.
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Come say hello to Amy.
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Come say, come have the free smells because--
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- Check out the Ouija boards.
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- Yeah.
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So is it, is it polite to say Ouija board
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or is it better to say Spirit board?
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- I call them Spirit boards.
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I have people who call them Ouija boards.
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- I started the whole conversation
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by saying Ouija boards.
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So it's on me.
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- I know, I did, it's my fault.
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But so, and then any other objects that you have
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that wanna make sure that you, that we focus on.
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- Sure.
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- I make, not only my own perfumes,
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my own Spirit boards, I also make my own incense.
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- Oh.
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- So I have that.
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I make journals.
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So I create all the art and I put the art
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on the front of these journals.
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- Is it the Egyptian type of themed arts?
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- Well, different kinds.
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- Oh, okay.
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So if there's something that's not Egyptian
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that's your bent, you can certainly look for what that is.
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But I also do take custom orders.
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So you don't find something that you like.
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I can always draw something up and send it to you that email.
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And you can tell me what you want to tweak anything.
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- Fabulous.
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- And I can make you whatever you want.
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- That's so awesome.
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- Awesome.
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So you can smell good, your house can smell good
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while you're journaling about what the Spirit board told you.
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The whole thing.
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That's right.
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- Now, we know for sure we want everybody to come here
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and meet you in person, Amy.
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But if they can't come for some reason
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or another part of the country
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where they're not close to Virginia Beach,
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is there a way for them to access your products?
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- Absolutely.
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You can visit me at hiddencourtofhaka.com.
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It's on, I have mail and website and I have an app and app.
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- Oh, that's it.
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- Perfect.
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- And Haka's H-E-K-K-A.
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- Yes.
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- H-E-K-A.
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- Oh, one K.
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H-E-K-A.
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So hiddencourtofhaka.com.
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Awesome.
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- Perfect.
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- Amy, thank you so much for something, Amy.
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- Thank you so much for having me.
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- Thanks for letting Karen drag you over here
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and giving us more.
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And that's cream2LowD.
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