Why Killing Your Ego Won't Get You Closer to Enlightenment (And What Will)

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- Carrie. - Yes.

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What if every teacher, whoever told you to kill your ego, had it completely backwards?

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- I don't know how to answer that. - I didn't think what.

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It was kind of rhetorical. Anyway, our guest today is a licensed psychologist,

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40 years in the field, and he says the answer was never to destroy the ego.

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Actually, you have to heal it.

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- And I just figured out why I couldn't answer that.

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- I was thinking of school teachers, and I don't remember being in fourth grade,

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am I to just say, Karen, kill your ego.

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- Every spiritual teacher. - Oh, okay.

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- Well, so you have to heal it like it's a sick tissue.

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He actually invented an entire new field called Ego-Lot, Egoology.

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- Egoology. - Egoology.

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- We'll let him tell us what it is. - It's called you the human.

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- Exactly. Because nobody's psychology or spirituality was having these conversations.

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He's got five books in a framework he calls "Ego Medicine."

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And the question I need to answer after this, if Ego is what's blocking our connection to God,

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why does healing it and not destroying it actually give you there?

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- Oh, that's a good question. - Thank you. That's why we're here on the skeptic

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manifestations. It starts now.

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My name is Will. - And I'm Karen.

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- And unlike Molder and Scully. - Both want to believe.

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- So we've embarked on a journey of discovery.

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- We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world.

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- We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.

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I even joined a Covenant witch. - And, wait. You joined a Covenant?

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- Yep. All in the interest of fighting something. - Anything.

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- That will prove that there's something beyond this physical...

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- Three-dimensional world we all live in.

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- This is the skeptic manifestations.

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- Hey there, I'm Will. - And I'm Karen.

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- Welcome back to the skeptic manifestations.

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- Where if your ego is the question standing between you and God?

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And the answer is apparently, "Have you tried therapy?"

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Well, you're definitely in the right place.

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Dr. Nicholas Martin is a licensed psychologist with over 40 years in the field,

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five books on the intersection of ego and spiritual healing and the man who invented

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an entirely new branch of psychology, because the conversation nobody was having

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is the one we all desperately need.

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So I am thrilled and believe me, I am thrilled to be able to welcome Nick Martin,

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Dr. Nicholas Martin to the show, Dr. Martin.

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Thank you so much for being on "Sketter and Physicians" today.

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- Karen and Will, thank you so much for the opportunity to speak with you guys

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and also to share some...

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What I think are extremely important thoughts about something that is having a tremendous impact

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on both our human wellness and our spiritual wellness.

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And something that over the past 40 plus years, having worked in a clinical setting,

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the school setting, meaning a college setting, and so on,

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has really taught me through the people I've worked with about this extremely important part

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of who we are.

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That often is not really well understood and often is described in different ways.

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I think earlier you mentioned some people's thoughts about, well, just just kill the ego,

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because we don't think it's going to be any good for us.

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It's not something we can actually do.

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And I can say more about that.

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So I'll pause right now, but thank you for the opportunity to be here.

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- Of course, we're happy to have you.

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So, let's just dive right into it.

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Since you started going on the road, you're right, every spiritual tradition,

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every meditation teacher, every self-help book, basically says the same thing, right?

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That we got to get rid of the ego to transcend it or dissolve it.

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Now, you spent 40 years seeing that that's the wrong prescription.

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So where does that 3000 year old message actually break down?

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- Where does that 3000 year message do what?

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- Break down.

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- Why?

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- Why?

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- It's down because it's disconnected from an important energy,

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a ego energy that is often at work that's having an impact upon us both humanly and spiritually.

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The human side of it is something I'd learned within the clinical setting

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over many years of work that had, when I discovered after about 13 years,

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how profound the ego energy was.

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In fact, I used to eat in my work.

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I talk about the thought that came to mind was it's their ego stupid.

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And it was like, you know, and it was, and that was when ego found me after about 13 years of working in the ego.

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I had begun to see it after I stopped studying for my license exam,

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where I, when I passed it, that I didn't want to read another word on site.

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I just, I had enough.

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I'm tired of it.

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And so for six years in the clinical setting, all I did was saw see people

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and I was reading people, not just reading books, but reading people.

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And I wasn't distracted by that other stuff.

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And that's when finally in 1992, the message came through to me was that ego is having a heck of an impact on these people's lives,

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in places like relationships, in places like self-esteem, their abilities,

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their happiness, their ability to feel a sense of purpose and meaning.

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And that was the human side of the process.

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And it also, as I moved forward in time, the first 14 years or so was ego finding me.

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The next portion of the journey was me finding ego, meaning I had to come to understanding of where is it ego?

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When is it ego?

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How is it ego getting a lot of more nuances and patterns through the opportunities I had in the clinical setting to better understand what this was?

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So, Rod and I, or 2005, I started writing my first book, The Ego and Mass.

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Well, I also happened to be married to a spiritual healer and a physician, Reverend Dr. Linda Marn.

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And through our conversations, I began to understand that getting well and being well humanly or being well as a person wasn't just a human thing, it was a spiritual thing.

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And so, I needed to understand more about the relationship of the egoic human energy, human consciousness, on the spiritual side of life, so to speak, and wellness.

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And this goes back to your question about the disconnect or about it seemed to me like a lot of the messaging around the spiritual consciousness area was all you need to do is become more spiritual and things are going to get better.

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And what I was finding is, despite how intelligent people were, despite the spiritual essence that is contained within their being, despite the absence of emotional illness or anything, mental illness, they were still having trouble getting moving forward on their spiritual path.

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And that obstacle was the ego energy that was when it sounded healthy and imbalanced, which is something I talk about a lot in my work to get people a better understanding of how is it getting in the way, where is it getting in the way of our divinity being connected to our humanity.

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And to simply take a spiritually based focus was ignoring this very important piece of who we are as important as our brain and our heart is to our functioning and our life.

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So, basically, go ahead.

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And I think a lot of questions in my mind and one of them is if we are here, if we are our spirits or energy or whatever you want to call it, come into these physical bodies to have this experience, I think that having that ego is part of the experience.

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For me, I like what you are saying that you want to heal it because that is what you want to have is the experience of everything, including dealing with the ego instead of just destroying it.

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Well, I think you are right. The ego is an important part, but the part that it involves is, as an energy, I talk about power, flexibility and vulnerability.

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When it is in a healthy place, it moves into the background of our life. And we move into the foreground, and that connection that begins to develop more intimately with our divinity, which I talk about being the love, life and energy God is that we are capable of being.

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We don't just think about it, we don't think it is just a great idea, but it comes forward and it becomes us as the greatest Islamic poet really stated what you seek is seeking you and what is seeking you, your divinity.

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It is coming for you, but it needs that energy to be out of the way so that when it is in a balanced, healthy place through something I talk about called ego medicine, it naturally comes to you.

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You were born, we were all born, designed to have that come forward. We don't even have to work on our divinity, that is who we are.

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That is who we were designed to be based on the things that I have experienced in working with people. So the crucial issue for my work in the ego's spirit, vision and messages, get your ego squared away, bring it into balance, that energy, that power, flexibility, vulnerability, and then the divinity stuff just starts to become a big part of your life.

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If you can become, you can be it. Why do you think so many people have problems with dealing with the ego and why is it such a big thing?

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Well, first of all, it is a big thing and I think it's a big thing that's been out there since the writings of Buddha, the writings of Jesus, attributed to him, and the writings of Muhammad.

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It's there, it's always been there, it's like our heart was always there, our brain was always there, our ego is there.

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But there was a lack of understanding of, well, what the heck is it? You get these more generic somewhat abstract discussions and I talk about the myths that often, and I talked about it in my latest book, the myths that earthly resurrection, that the myths about ego have created people being all over the place.

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Now imagine a brain surgeon was working on somebody and two brain people were brain surgeons were talking, but they weren't really talking about the same thing.

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They were talking about the own interpretation of that. The same thing with a heart surgeon or a choreologist, a natural electrophysiologist.

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They didn't have that consensual kind of connection understanding of what they're talking about. They wouldn't have an opportunity to heal like they should and they do.

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The problem is with ego and ego energy, that's the first place begin whenever I see somebody talking about ego or referring to ego, I want to do understand it's an energy.

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Because if you don't understand it's an energy, that's like the foundation for me, that's the rock. You have to understand it as an energy.

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Once you can start there, I've got hundreds and thousands of writings, examples about what that looks like in real people when living in the real world, not an abstraction.

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What are my gifts if you want to call it that is I'm an obsessive. I don't want to talk about generalities.

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I don't want to talk. I think that's part of the reason why maybe I was born this way is the details are really, really, really important.

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And even with what I'm saying, I love when people challenge or ask questions and say, how does that fit? Where does that fit?

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I have to stand up to that because if there's any truth about what I'm sharing with ego, it would show itself in the lives of people that are being lived and what's happening or not happening.

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Both on a human level and on a spiritual level. And I think I think I have is all those clients, students, people that I've met over the years in working as a therapist, diagnostician, educator, consultant.

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They were my teachers and I'm just transferring it over in the work that I've done.

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All right, Nick, let's push that question because I think that I think you touched on it, but I really want to dive deeper into it.

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If ego is something that you mentioned earlier, we want to move out of the way.

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Why then should we not just get rid of it altogether?

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Well, first of all, we can't. Oh, wow. Oh, there's that. Dang it. I knew there was a reason. Thank you, Cara.

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No, the idea is when you understand it with the breath and the depth and an opportunities that I talk about, ego space, ego power, ego vulnerability, ego flexibility, ego mind, ego illness.

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That's only about a fifth of what I've talked about in my work to create a comprehensive grasp of what it became the ego and spirit message that once you know and understand that, that's like saying, oh, you can just get rid of your brain and you'll be fine.

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Or you can get rid of your heart. I said this earlier, you'll be fine. It's death.

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I mean, that it holds up to that. I think there are some people in the world right now that have gotten rid of their brain.

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And I think that the term ego has kind of become like this negative catch all. Yeah, because when you say, oh, that person's their egotistical, that's not a good thing.

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Well, you know, they're this so ego centric.

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Yeah, so there's a miss application in some respects. In fact, you probably heard the acronym ego means ego edging got out.

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And my question for that statement is this your ego doesn't have an elect. It can't think you think it doesn't think it's an energy that filters into your ego mind that affects the thinking, the attitudes, the beliefs, the values, the prejudices, the illusions that you for don't blame that on ego directly.

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The ego didn't do that. The fact ego when I talk about this, the ego doesn't have an awareness of you. It doesn't know who you are.

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It doesn't have an awareness of God. So it's not trying to it doesn't have an ability to represent a God that it's now trying to reject or push out of your life.

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In fact, ego doesn't even have an awareness of itself, but we can which is weird. Which is weird because I think for the most part, people identify themselves as their ego.

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It's like clothing. You know, clothing doesn't know clothing is clothing, but you choose it and you put it on and people will judge you based on the clothing you're wearing.

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That's just nice. I like that analogy. Yeah. That's right. Keep around. She's so good.

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You're going to have somebody to help us out. Right. You've got to have an adult in the room at some point. I was going to say that, you know, we have this thing called a brain.

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And it's a beautiful. It's probably the most impressive tool that we were ever designed to have by God, evolution, the wisdom of the ages, that tool.

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But guess what? That tool cannot directly tell us the difference between truth and belief. What's factual and what's non factual.

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We have to take the time to do that. Now, unfortunately, in the age of social media, there's a lot of people leaning on the facts, so to speak, of social media or opinion news to get their truth.

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But unfortunately, what ends up happening is that can fill the mind with lots of things that are non reality based. And that's where my talk about ego medicine, which is how we learn, we need to as much unlearn stuff we have learned.

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It's not true. Those beliefs, values, attitudes, and so on as we do to learn new things.

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And, you know, one of the spiritual things, and I'm going to get too far off the track, but you hear a lot of messaging about being saved that people have to be saved.

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My approach, what I understand is we have to stop unsaving ourselves. We were born safe. We were always saved.

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That's the divinity within our humanity that when our ego energy is in an unhealthy place, we walk away from that.

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We unsave ourselves so to speak, rather than the need to be saved. That's a huge thing. And a lot of people may not like that.

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But the reality is God and evolution and the wisdom of the years were so much better to us. They gave us our divinity within our humanity to be a part of who we are, to live the great life as I talk about the great life, not just a good one, not a fair, okay, or even poor one, a great life.

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I love the we're unsaving ourselves. That's so perfect. That's exactly what's happening.

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They always say that the kids when you're first born, that's the most attached or connected to the divine that you are. And then the programming is what builds the ego and that pulls you away from that divine connection.

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And I think that can be applied to so many things as we start from babies into our adulthood. And then we're always looking for ways to get rid of all the crap we put into our system where they're spiritually, mentally, or even the food we eat.

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It's like there's all the detoxes and the cleanses and there's a spiritual detoxes and cleanses and what that has.

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Did you go detox and cleanse?

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Yes. Like how? Why? Who made it be a good idea to start filling our minds, our bodies and everything with all this junk?

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Let's see. And then we struggled to try to get it out. The reptilians, the archon, the, yeah.

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Oh my gosh, but I love that unsaving. I want to get that t-shirt that and then what was the other one we heard this week?

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Shooting everyone we're shooting all over ourselves. Yeah, don't shoot on yourself. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay. So so Dr. Nick, you break the ego energy into three different dimensions. Right? You talk about power, flexibility, vulnerability.

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Can you walk us through those? What does unhealthy look like? I'll give you the microwave version of it. The one perfect.

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The first one I talk about is our ego power. And that's something that when most people think about ego, they think about it.

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They you they apply it there. When people have they say they have a big ego.

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That's another way of for me saying higher ego power. That's about control. And it's about having so much control over life and things and people.

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So like in a relationship, their ego powers, if they're in marriage, they want to do all of communicating.

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They want to do the compromises go in their direction. The compassion is a difficult thing because for people with higher ego powers, I, it ends up being perceived as weakness.

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If I display compassion toward you, I'm being weak. If I display compassion toward myself, I'm being weak. And then creation and the relationship, the dominant, the big ego, higher ego power person wants to basically run the show.

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And then the opposite is when people have lower ego power, they are the people who have a hard time accepting or believe they deserve to have control in the relationship that they should share in the room, the decision making, they should share in the compromises.

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And a lot of times people have been trapped into that by abuse. These people have taught me when I was working in a clinical setting that abuse of whether it's psychological or mental abuse or physical abuse does a real number on a person's ego energy.

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And it tracks them in the direction of feeling they are disempowered that I need to be disempowered. That's where I belong. I'm not worthy of more. So that's a real quick example of what happens when people are are with ego power. Whereas with balanced ego power, I can share power control influence in the relationship.

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It's like I want to. I don't want to have too much of that because that won't be good for our relationship. We have to be able to make choices and decisions. That's a hard thing for a lot of people to get around to particularly if they're stuck. In fact, one of the things that happens for some times is when you see people in therapy, if there are any higher ego power person, they might say, you know what?

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I know I should communicate better. I know I should compromise and so on. But guess what? I can't because the energy is that's why I pick a big deal about really getting after and knowing the energy in order to work on healing it because otherwise all those other things become just a good idea.

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There's just a good idea. I should listen more. I should listen more. Yeah, I know it's a good idea. But when you start to live it in the world, you can't do it. So that's the one part of it. I'll go quickly to the ego flexibility, which is, this is a really important part of it.

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This is where you are able to seek the truth. You do not know and remove the truth. The false truth. You do know. That's the ego flexibility. And in my work, in examples, I talked about people who are authoritarians, racists, sexists, paranoid.

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All these people have an energy to spill around lower ego flexibility. They think they know the truth. And that they need to make sure everybody else gets it. They don't have the ability to say, well, there's some stuff I don't know and they don't make a distinction between false beliefs, attitudes, values, prejudice and so on.

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So that's an important part when we're healthy and we're in the middle there, we can seek the truth. We don't know we can remove or unlearn the false truth. We do know. And then finally, the third group, because this is a relevant group out there now. These are the high ego flexibility people.

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Their mind is like a sip. They'll take in anything and everything from anybody. One good example is these are people who are. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Dr. Nick. You meant ego vulnerability. Yeah. No, no, we're talking about ego right here, ego flexibility. The middle.

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Because so so ego flexibility wasn't that the one where people were sure that they were. No, no, no, no, the ego flexibility when people have low ego flexibility means have a very rigid mindset.

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It did take you can't tell me anything like Archie bunker on all new family excellent prototype back then of what the authoritarian person the lower ego flexibility person was that their mind is closed minded. They're very close minded. You can't teach them anything.

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That's not a power issue. It's actually a thing it deals with. I know the truth. I don't need to listen to you to find anything more out about it, whether you're talking about, you know, depending on who you're talking about.

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So that's the ego flexibility when you're in a balanced place, you have that ability. I think that's one of my best properties. I could get my one of my worst properties little later, but my worst property.

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I really open to the idea of wanting to know the truth, even the truth that I don't know that I need to learn more about to get to know.

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And then what I was saying going up to the upper end, the high ego flexibility. These are people who end up listening to anybody and everybody. They're very gullible. They take it all in.

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And they're not even stopping to say, wait a second, this might not be right. And I think an excellent example or these are cultists. You're seeing a lot of cultists out there who says, you can tell me anything. You can help me believe anything and anything else.

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And a lot of the reason why that is is because there's a lot of psychological rewards that come from listening to somebody else. People feel the sense of acceptance, respect, trust and belonging. Those are four ones I talked about that a lot of times teenagers will listen to somebody in a group and follow their lead.

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Because and even do things they know are wrong because they need to be fed psychological rewards involving trust, respect, belonging and acceptance. Those are very powerful needs the humans have.

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And if you can't get them from the right place in one's home from one's parents and with one's family, young people often go outside to find his somewhere else.

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But they're going to start believing stuff that is harmful. So that's the ego flexibility. Then finally, the ego vulnerability part is really focused on how well you can accept your imperfections and your humanity, the weaknesses of our humanity.

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You hear that word vulnerability a lot and it's really healthy to be healthily vulnerable rather than resisting it and fighting it when people have high ego vulnerability like I used to have. I used to be susceptible.

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I had a heart, a lot of fear based living a lot of not if you know if you're afraid of failure or you know in certain in your academics or your athletics or some other place.

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But there's a lot of issues that you have with being vulnerable and you some people are consumed by it. And so like in relationships there's like the highest right.

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High maintenance person I call them I have some in rules people live I have that on my on my ego.

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Man 20 YouTube channel I talk about these are the things that people do or think. So anyway, that's a real quick example when people have high your their consume with anxiety, fear, guilt, kinds of things.

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If I do something wrong that's even normally wrong. I used to feel guilty about it. I used to feel bad about myself and that was the higher ego vulnerability stuff.

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The people on the other end in the middle part that help balance ego vulnerability are the people who are good with themselves. They're good with their weaknesses.

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They can cry when something is bothering them. They don't have to be perfect. They don't have to hide their feelings. They can talk about them.

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They don't need to talk about them or get in touch with those kinds of things. In my generation that was almost like the John Wayne syndrome. The strong silent type.

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And that was a terrible message to give to young people and males in particular back then that says you're really a strong dude.

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If you can keep your distance from your emotions, your feelings and that's so out of touch with our humanity.

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Just the terrible message that young people and any person might get that you were created to cry. You were created to laugh. That's all part of her life.

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And our humanity as well as our divinity. And this is what again we're working with people. They've taught me to look into these mirrors I call them to learn more about their own energy, the ego energy.

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Right. So see Karen, there's nothing wrong with me. The fact that I cry all the time. I'm perfectly.

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Did you hear that? The first sign that shows that shows our good. All right. So we define what the ego is in the different powers of the ego.

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So let's go into the medicine. We talked about not not killing the ego. We got to heal the ego. So from what I am. I'm understanding there's three steps.

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Can you walk us through each one step by step? So step one is by understand is understanding what ego is and it isn't. So what's the single biggest misconception people carry into this?

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Well, the one was that ego can only be negative. You know, that was people. Some people think it only can be negative. It can only be unhealthy. And that's just not true.

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It can be healthy when it's in balance. When it's it's it's job and like the brain in the heart. You know, just when they malfunction doesn't mean we get rid of them. We heal. We work with them.

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This is the same thing with that. The first step, you know, is understanding what ego is and isn't and you begin with energy. It's an energy. You have to know it's an energy.

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You don't know that you're you're I say it's walking on sand. You're just kind of you're going to wander into some other miz that I kind of pointed out earlier.

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Your ego doesn't have an intellect. It doesn't form our intentions. It doesn't need to be dissolved the sown or defeated. And by the way, I know this sounds almost like an academic exercise, but it's much, much more.

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It's really important to get a handle on that energy and what it is to begin with.

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And so understanding what it is, understanding what it isn't, taking that time to really check in with it. And I use lots of examples because this stuff is new.

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As I say, the ego and spirit vision and messages parked out on the horizon. I'm trying to bring it into the shore to the port with shows like yourself in order to kind of help people know more about this because most people don't know about it.

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Even right. Psychologists and so on. So the first step is getting a handle on what ego is and what it isn't so that you've been guided by that.

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How do you get a handle on it? Right. How do you how do you tell? How do you get in touch with the fact that energy?

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Well, I again, ask you sit back and take a look at what I've written having to do with like those miz. I talk about different things that are not true.

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So it's unlearning. If you think ego can only a bad thing that you have done learned that that's not true. If you think ego thinks for you. Now it doesn't think for you. It can't think for you.

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It doesn't have an intellect, but these and I identified these these weaknesses, these miz these miz about ego. So a person can form a solid more solid foundation more on what it really is and what it isn't.

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And that begins there just begins there. The second step is once and once you if you accept the idea of what I'm sharing with you about ego. And again, it isn't just because Nick Martin said it.

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That's nothing. You have to look at what is he saying about it and whether that makes any sense. And I don't know Nick you are the doctor Nick Martin. If you say it's good enough for me. That's all I'm just going to put it out.

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And I say in one of my works about the leader isn't the true leader isn't the leader that leads you to them. There's two leader leads you to you.

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And so I'm trying to lead people to them not to me. I have the information, but you're the person living your ego energy 24/7. So I'm just trying to provide the tools that people can use to work with it.

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Again, this is the ego medicine. The first part of the tools I could say is getting a handle on what ego is and what it isn't. And then I think there's lots of that.

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Okay, step two is you tune into your ego energy. You have to tune into your ego energy. Do you have a power issue or flexibility issue or vulnerability issue? How do you get to know that examples upon examples I provide across my books in my ego,

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I have 20 YouTube channel at my ego and spirit website ego is spirit info website in my YouTube posts and Instagram and so on.

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In fact, the total cost for a person to get everything I have to offer and share you is under $12 because the e-books available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble 299.

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You get the e-book version of each of my books. In fact, the it's your ego stupid book, fixture, picture life, to fix your ego to fix your life. That's free on my website. It's a free download and there are focused ego meditation.

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So the idea is just to get this to people. Yes. Okay, so you brought up something that I was just going to ask you about and kind of a couple of times. So spirit and the ego and meditation and spirituality.

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Does that help if someone is struggling and trying to come to terms with the fact that ego is energy will will will meditating help that will try to connect a spirit help that to those people have like a one up on the people that aren't connected.

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Okay, let me on the website as a pre-dialogue, there are six of these distinctive energies dealing with higher lower ego power flexibility and vulnerability.

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They were recorded by my wife Linda Reverend Reverend Dr. Linda Marden. And when you listen to it, what you can use it is as a reference point.

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How far have I come in the journey of of moving my ego energy held in a more healthy direction like if I had a ego vulnerability issue, which I did.

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I could listen to that and say is that who I am now or do I need to become more of so it's like a barometer so to speak to give you or a person.

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If they need most people are in I call it the lone high normal normal range, but some people are at the extreme to work the less successful less well your life is the more you're probably needing that kind of healing.

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But I'm giving people I'm not letting them flounder out there. I'm trying to give them a reference point to work with through the examples through the focus to go meditations.

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And the focus to go meditations very quickly I walk through the 10 key areas of life that I say I'm saying these are your mirrors.

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These are showing whether you're having an issue or how much of an issue you have, whether it's forming close relationships with your loved ones like your husband or wife or your partner or children, whether you have what's a relationship with you.

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How are you doing with regard to accepting yourself because so many people are wrestling with that. And again, I mentioned earlier happiness genuine happiness, not fake happiness genuine happiness.

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And so more I walk you through those Linda walks you through those mirrors and you you feel that what's happening here. Is that a my theory yet.

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But that's one way of getting to know and understand it's like the more you understand the more people say to me, oh man, that's so on it.

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That's so what I've been worried looking for and I get it. I know why.

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Because as I've said, thousands of people have shared with me their journey and where things were falling off track humanly and spiritually and it was up to me to sort of figure out in some coherent.

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But refl-

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Copy it because not everything works for the same person. It's different. It's like.

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It's the same medicine that fix the same problem. It doesn't always work. It's got to be much more refined.

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Right. Like my migraines you probably the people swear by it and it doesn't touch me. So yeah, so it's only a okay.

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So step one is understanding what ego isn't it isn't step two is tuning into your specific ego energy and you have lots of resources for someone to have to do.

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So step three is removing ego rooted non reality based thinking. Right. Talk us through that.

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So step three is removing ego rooted non reality based thinking right. Talk us through that. Right. We we accumulate in our ego mind as I would call it.

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Well, well, we mentioned attitudes values prejudices opinions, you know, that are non reality based truth disconnected ideas and so on.

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That popular brain in fact there would be the equivalent of I didn't call it ego virus, but it's like a mental virus that people walk around with that maybe they don't even know they have.

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And what you need to do is you tune in when you tune in to you that second step.

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There are lots of examples that I give them what do these people think what are they thinking you know and then it's up to me if I'm that person to work on what am I thinking that I don't know I'm thinking yet.

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But now I'm beginning to yeah yeah I'm seeing it yes I'm seeing that thought and it's killing me you know it's just it's killing my life so to speak.

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It's removing it's working on removing the non reality based truth connected thinking now just to me throw one quick thing out this has a connection to something you probably heard cognitive therapy or cognitive behavioral therapy.

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However mine goes deeper I go to the ego roots of it because a lot of people may participate in cognitive therapy which is a good form of therapy.

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But the idea is still stuck it's still there they can't unlearn it they can't and not what I'm saying is because that energy is still in place that's keeping that non reality based truth disconnected thought.

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But the more you see the more light it shines on it the more you begin to say and you may have to try it on for a while you know just it doesn't snap in place but once you begin to take a good look and you think about it and see does this fit does this makes sense do I need to rethink this and using your brilliant brain to help you with that process.

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That's when things can start to swing and the energy becomes more balanced.

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So there's a little bit of a catch 22 thing here though right because if we are talking about we need to identify things that aren't our thoughts that are not rooted in reality and things like that but if we are firmly in the bad side of the flexibility ego you are sure that you know everything you need to know how do you get yourself to understand that you are.

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Yeah I think the example part of that is look at if you look at your life and you say is it good.

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Is it a thing is going well in my relationships with people am I happy usually people with lower ego flexibility they tend to be angry people.

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They tend to be because they are frustrated with the world that's not complying with their version of it.

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We're into that a lot and so it's like use those mirrors that's a hard group to change the authoritarians are a hard group to change but at least I'm pointing it out because for one thing it's a good thing for all the rest of us to know what's going on in their mind.

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What's going on in what's going on and I take there I take people there fact if you there is I don't call it a mind reader series that's on it's on you it's on YouTube and like I have the perfection is they have the high maintenance person I have the sociopath I have the sadist and so on I take you into there this is what they think they may not know they're thinking but we can know what they're thinking we actually can know.

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Because when you see enough people and you've had the opportunity in a clinical you see a lot of thinking you and you stop reading books stop reading the freaking book and just pay attention to people listen for the patterns listen for the nuances and that's what helped to craft this comprehensive in depth kind of discussion description of what ego energy does to people's minds.

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And so I'm going to go back to your question you said how do you.

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Well I mean I think you kind of did it right so the the ego check is the court one question to someone can ask themselves.

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That will start revealing the ego energy is is my life happy am I am I living the happy life and so you're seeing things that are making me cringe doc because I recognize myself before the show can look to me rest of the start talking because she knew exactly what I was going to do.

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She knew exactly what I was thinking yeah I was very much not sensitive to it took my spiritual awakening for lack of a better term my my my.

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Thrust of losing everything for me to realize.

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Okay I'm I'm not something's not right here right so does someone have to lose everything before they actually are able to start walking on this path or I mean how can we.

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No I don't think so I think that the more you understand the more you see what you haven't been saying and particularly again this I mean I make such a big freaking deal about ecopic is it's been hitting me over the head for 40 some years that you know and I think I honestly believe I'm the only person on this earth.

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Who has focused specifically on this again where did you hear ego space ego mind ego illness ego vulnerability.

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Ego power ego flexibility again there's a glossary it's a vocabulary that appeared at the end of my first well I had ego unmasked I wouldn't care but in the ego ego therapy book there's a glossary it's a glossary of concepts in terms.

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They have never appeared in the literature pertaining specifically to ego most people when it comes to training on ego.

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Get two or three hours worth that's about it because there wasn't a well-defined body of knowledge to talk about it yeah I mean to your point you are the only egotologist I know.

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It's a study of something study the ego that's that's where it came from.

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When I use the ego blocks is it's not just the way that we live but it actually blocks access to our own divinity can you describe that that.

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Sure I talk a lot about okay I define for my vantage point our spirituality our divinity is when we are able and I can go and take me a two days.

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It takes me a two days to do this but being the love the unconditional connective unburdened unlimited love God is being the life God is meaning our ability to witness the presence of God and all of the life surrounds us besides within ourselves and other people plants trees animals all that stuff and we what we we we welcome we recognize it with of treating it equally.

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Of worthy of equal worthiness and all the other aspects I talk about with regard to that's what being the life God is just real briefly and then being the energy God is the ability to seek truth and light towards greater understanding.

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Healing and transformation the problem is is when our ego is a bad place we can't be that we can't be unconditional love we can't toward ourselves or anything it just doesn't happen and the more that energy it's like you can't offset what you're with that that's why I make a big issue of the ego energy because it does create that blockage people want to move forward on your self.

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It's a lot of people are going to be able to move forward on your spiritual journey and some people try to take a door by being more religiously.

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That doesn't make it happen either it's about getting in touch with when your energy the ego energy isn't a really good place those doors open as as roomy said what's seeking you what you're seeking is seeking you it's coming through you don't have to become a better.

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And that's unfolding naturally it's getting the ego energy in that healthy place and so I can in my work in my old times radio things I used to have a segment on the end of the shows where I would okay let's what's it doing to the spiritual side of things here how is it affecting the person's ability to be that love life and energy God is I also talk about for divine gifts that everybody who has ever been born has been given that gives gifts are your love.

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That's a gift that's a divine gift to that you might not like it but it is a divine you have the you have the ability to create the life in which you're living.

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You have it now you may not make use of it your ego energy may stop you but you have that you have to gift of eternal life and you have to give the God within you have all those but unfortunately a lot of people when that ego energies in that bad place they can appreciate their life as a gift.

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They can't view themselves as creating the life in which they live in or could live in their eternal life in their the gift of God within so that's an answer to your question that's where the ego energy take care of the ego energy that other stuff is meant it was it was it was designed to be a part of who you are we couldn't be alive if it wasn't either.

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And that totally makes sense because like we were talking about earlier when you're born you're kind of pristine and we see children that have these stronger connections whether it's you know psychic or angelic or there you know whatever they have that but then as life kind of gets you know whatever not ego gets impacted and changed and distorted and dented.

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It blocks that connection that we originally came with so yeah I can totally see that in that open back up and I said earlier I said earlier about being saved you see the messaging around you got to be saved and some people think what I spurt you know pray ex number of tell Mary's and glory bees and our fathers you know if you're doing that out of feeling love.

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Life and energy go for it that's wonderful but if you're feeling it out of fear or man if I'm going to do this I'm not going to be okay I'm not going to be saved I'm not going to be looked upon.

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To that human version of God which doesn't exist but the thing the thing is God was better than that to us we were saved we were always saved it was the we are I and through the messaging I'm putting out.

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We on save ourselves if we get caught up in that energy that we create distance.

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And I would say there's a little bit of a reframe that I would put in terms of in terms of the ego blocking you from unconditional love instead what it is it's a refocus of unconditional love from you to everyone else.

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You have unconditional love for yourself when you're stuck in an ego mentality instead you expand that unconditional love to everyone else and then suddenly their ego starts to dissolve well just don't pour one of that.

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Hopefully that's not an infatuation thing where some people because the higher ego power people they're in love with themselves.

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In fact one of the rules I talked about is the narcissist the narcissist is in love with themselves love is commodity and that you you've seen this where people say tell me you love me thank me for what I've done for you I made your life better you really owe me love it's like a transaction that is a model you you know that's an example of my my discussion about that in some

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example for people are narcissistic they want they are in love with themselves in what you to be in love with themselves but they don't need to return that back to the point.

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Well Dr. Martin New Yorker and the promoting earthly resurrection the truth of God ego you it's your book that you just put out we want to make sure that the audience knows that that is the book that they should probably start with right that you should grab and

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the love I was I would say for there's five books the first one was ego therapy don't start reading that book.

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I really don't start reading book that's the deep end that's the deep end of the water start with the shallow end and the shallow end I think the the earthly resurrection for me was the best

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writing I ever did because I the format I did with it involve what is a natural strength for me when I learn I learned best by writing when I do my diagnostic about it's like people you can learn to reading it hearing it seeing it doing it talking it and writing it and I only learned

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writing to learn was my best so in the process the process of making that book was really for me the best and it allowed everything to just come together and I think that would be the best I've got next I will review on Amazon and I mean really strong reviews and if anybody out there gets the book I would deeply appreciate

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if you provide a review of Amazon if you can as I said earlier I'm moving to try to move this my work the ego and spirit vision message from the horizon where it's in at because this is totally new territory but I need people to help me bring it into sure sure

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you know and then so that's the book that they should start with and then you have a lot of resources at your website which is ego and spirit info yes thank you right and then of course your YouTube channel with over 180 videos in that ego man 20 which I love you can find it at spiritual awakening 77 on YouTube is there anything that we haven't talked about Dr. Martin that you want to make sure that you leave our audience with before we say goodbye

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I want to thank you guys again for the opportunity to share some of my thoughts I'm not one of my concern what you know ready was it don't tell them too much

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I'm going to load people this just counter it go with the flow and that's what I tried to do today I did a treadmill search some of the little ideas and you gave me the opportunity I appreciate that but for now I think we're good I appreciate your your support in your show

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you guys were wonderful to work with just a great start thank you well you were as well thank you and thanks for your diligence as we work through our technical challenges so folks if you haven't had a chance to write those resources down not to worry all you need to do is go to skeptic metaphysician dot com go to Dr. Martin's episode and you will find the links directly late in there in the show notes for you so it's easy for you to connect with Dr. Nicholas Martin

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I'm pleasure having you on the show thanks so much for being on thank you guys nice caron thanks will you take care of a great day in a great weekend

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