Why Chasing Your Purpose Is Keeping You Stuck

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- Karen. - Yes.

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What does a clinical psychologist,

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an after-death communication,

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and a course called, "Live Your Life Backwards."

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Have in common.

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I have no idea. I hope you're gonna tell me.

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I, as a matter of fact, it just so happens to be today's guest.

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That's what.

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Dr. Ainy Robbins has spent 20 years in a therapy chair,

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as a therapist, not a therapy,

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helping people process life,

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and then death shows up personally.

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But everything she thought she knew inside out,

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and instead of freaking out,

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she just leaned in hard.

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- Huh? - Yeah.

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Now, we're gonna find out exactly what she saw,

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why she's now teaching other therapists

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to stop pretending the spiritual doesn't exist,

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and with a grief,

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might actually be the most useful thing

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that ever happens to us.

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Stay with us. I promise your therapist

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is gonna wanna hear this one too.

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Skeptic manifestations starts now.

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My name is Will.

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- And I'm Karen. - And unlike

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Molder and Scully.

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- Both want to believe. - So we've embarked

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on a journey of discovery.

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We've talked to people deeply entrenched

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in the spiritual and metaphysical world.

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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.

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I even joined a Covenant Witches.

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And, wait.

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You joined a Covenant?

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Yep. All in the interest of finding something.

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Anything.

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That will prove that there's something

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beyond this physical...

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Three-dimensional world we all live in.

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This is the Skeptic manifestations.

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he built an equally precise framework

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that has been organizing your life all along.

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He says you need to align more.

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that was already generating everything you needed.

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So what are you waiting for? Do it now.

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Hey there, I'm Will.

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And I'm Karen.

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Welcome back to the Skeptic Manifestitions

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where we go to therapy for our spiritual trauma

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and get spiritual about our therapy

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and the only show where your existential crisis

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comes with actual credentials.

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Oh, done.

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Thank you.

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When our guest today lost her aunt unexpectedly,

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she had an encounter with the other side

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that she couldn't explain away

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and honestly didn't even try.

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Nearly two decades of clinical psychology,

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two million podcasts,

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downloads,

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and one very inconvenient spiritual awakening later,

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she is now the creator of spiritually informed therapy.

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A framework that she's now teaching to clinicians

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who are ready to stop leaving half the human experience

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outside the treatment room.

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And she's here to talk about all of it.

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Dr. Amy Robbins, welcome to Skeptic Manifestitions.

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How are you doing today?

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Great. Thanks for having me, Will.

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And Karen, I'm so excited to finally be here

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in conversation with you guys.

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It has been in lots of conversations,

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but never like that.

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I know. This is very exciting.

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It's been a long time coming.

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So it's an honor to have you.

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Thank you for coming on the show.

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Thank you.

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Okay. Dr. Amy.

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I think probably the most intuitive place

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to start is right at the very beginning.

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You are a clinical psychologist.

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You are have been on the very materialistic side of things.

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You talk through people, through their hardships

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and their traumas and things like that.

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And then something happened that flipped the script completely around.

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What was that that changed everything for you?

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So what changed everything for me actually happened before I decided to go back?

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Well, it happened while I was in graduate school.

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And so what I always say is my spiritual path

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paralleled my clinical path

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and the two did not cross for quite some time.

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So I lost my aunt.

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She was 48, which is the age that I am now.

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And yes, I still am 48.

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I'm a few more with.

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It's okay. I'm still 37.

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So it's 26 over here.

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Exactly. Well, I'm getting closer to 50,

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but I'm excited. I'm embracing it because she did not get that far.

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And so she was waiting for a kidney and pancreas transplant.

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She had had juvenile onset diabetes.

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She was coming up on the transplant list.

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they needed to make sure that she would be strong enough to withstand a transplant.

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And she died on the table.

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Her heart was just so weak from all the years of illness

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that they couldn't bring her back.

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And I come from a family of physicians.

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my father's a dentist.

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Like, we are not of the mindset of there are you die.

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And that's sort of it.

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And I was 18 at the time.

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I didn't really, it was my first what I call out of order death.

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I had had great grandparents that had passed away.

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And honestly, a couple of students around the same age as me in high school.

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But never someone so close to me.

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And it really threw me for a huge loop that I did not even realize until I sort of look back.

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And will you said, you know, she's been on one side of, you know,

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on the therapy side of the couch for 20 years.

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But not like the you sort of made a joke about which side of the couch I was on.

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I've been on both sides.

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But almost as long.

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Well, they do say that therapists need therapy also, right?

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You have to heal yourself kind of things.

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So that makes perfect sense.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And I speak about it a lot because I think it's really, really important for therapists to hear that.

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You know, it's not a weakness for you to look at yourself.

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It's actually the best way to be good therapist is to know yourself.

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In fact, I wish more people in the spiritual space did that, right?

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They do a lot of helping each other, healing and readings and things like that.

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But perhaps don't go to the trouble of clearing their own shadows before they actually go to try to help clear someone else's shadows.

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And I always say them, I think the most spirit, when people ask me like, what is spirituality means to you?

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I always think the most spiritual thing you can do is to get to know yourself, to know yourself, to understand who you are,

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why you are the way you are, why you tick the way you do.

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Amen.

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And through that exploration, I had developed a lot of anxiety around my aunt's death.

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And she, I mean, this is a longer story to go into, but she went through a pretty terrible divorce.

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And she hadn't worked and she had to go back to work.

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And all of that sort of led to her demise because of the stress and everything.

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So in my mind, I was never going to be that person. I was never going to be that person that needed to rely on someone else to take care of me.

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I was going to make sure that I had a career.

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And so I was very driven and ended up after college not getting any jobs that I had applied for.

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And so I remember I had my first panic attack in college.

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Like I could tell you where I was standing in my kitchen and opening that final rejection letter that said, you know, I'm sorry.

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I'm thinking, what am I going to do? I ended up selling radio advertising. I was miserable. I put my job. I waited tables.

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I had this great degree and I had us, that was sort of my spiritual awakening.

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It was like that crossroads moment in my life where I was like, do I go this way or do I go that way?

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I could continue down this path of being unhappy and I could probably make it work, but I will not be happy.

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Or I can step off the treadmill and really listen to what I wanted to do. Volunteered at children's, what's now.

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Laurie was children's moral hospital in their partial hospitalization program working with young kids who were really struggling emotionally and decided I wanted to go back to graduate school.

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In my second year of graduate school, my cousin, my aunt's son was getting married.

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There was a lot of excitement, but also sadness around this wedding that my aunt wasn't going to be there.

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Shortly before the wedding, I had my first... It's actually my second after-death communication.

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The first one I didn't even recognize what it was. I thought it was a dream until I had the second one and then I was like, oh, this has actually happened to me before.

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So the second one, which I thought was the first one, my aunt came to me and it was very clear. I could see her.

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She and I were sitting at the kitchen table in my mom's in the house I grew up in.

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My mom was standing at the kitchen sink and my mom was crying and my aunt said to me, tell her she doesn't need to be upset.

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I'm going to be at the wedding. She doesn't need to cry.

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Then she showed me an image of my uncle, her brother, and he was pushing a stroller and she said, let him know I hear...

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Let him know I hear him when he's out walking and talking to me.

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I have a cousin who's much younger than me.

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I remember her exiting the room and I turned to my husband and I said, "Antlinda was just here."

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The dog was barking too. It all happened kind of simultaneously.

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This was not a dream. This is actually in waking time that this happened to you?

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It was in that hip-negagic state. You wake up but then you fall back to sleep.

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Between four and six in the morning where you're not fully awake but you're not back into that deep room.

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But you were in bed.

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I was in bed.

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I wake up. I tell him this. I call my mom and my mom.

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I said, "Mom, I just had this crazy dream." This was the only word I had for it at the time.

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I didn't know there were such things as visits or anything.

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I called my mom and I said, "Mom, this is so crazy but I had this dream last night with Antlinda."

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She shared with me that she's so upset you're not going to be there.

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She said, "You don't need to be upset. She's going to be there. She's going to be at the wedding."

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My mom started crying and my mom said, "I was standing at my kitchen sink last night and I was talking to her and I was crying."

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I was saying, "I can't believe you're not going to be there. I can't believe you're not going to be at the wedding."

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These are the kind of stories that just... It's that amazing.

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Then I tell my mom the rest of the shows you need to talk to your uncle. He calls me at the end of his work day.

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His work day of surgery and sink patients all day. I share with him what the message she had given to me.

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He gasped and he said, "When I talk to her, I talk to her when I'm out walking."

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He knew I had given him the information that he talked to her about and it was validated and I was like, "Holy cow."

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I didn't know what to make of this because I thought it was a dream. I went to school. I was in my second year of graduate school.

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I had this professor who I hope her ears every single time I mention her because she is the reason that I am here today.

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Said to me, "I think you're opening up to something. She taught indigenous healing and she taught traditional psychoanalytic psychotherapy."

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I must now, in retrospect, have intuitively known I should go to her because she was also the scariest teacher I've got.

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Everybody, she was very tough. She was very firm on her views. I said, "I had this experience. I don't know what to make of it."

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She said, "I think you're opening up to something and I think you should pursue it."

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I'm thinking, "Pursue what?" I mean, gradually.

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Opening up to what?

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She gave me the name of a medium. I'm like, "Okay." I put it aside for years. Then my papa died and it happened again.

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Same thing, a message around a wedding came through. I shared it with my cousin. It was very accurate.

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Then after that, and so this is five or six years after my first second visit. I could talk to you for the first visit in a minute.

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Then it started happening with patients loved ones. I need to understand what's going on.

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Then, lights in my house were going crazy, flickering on and off. My husband was witnessing this. He was like, "Okay, there's something happening here. I don't know what it is. I don't know that I believe it, but it's happened."

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You stayed there? I don't know.

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My house? I like to look around the time.

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But we know that's because it's an electrical issue.

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I don't think it's an electrical issue.

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This is not funny. Okay. But... Yeah, you got to be... I mean, this was not just one light flickering. This was like house surging electricity.

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I had to call my neighbor and just get confirmation. Did this just happen to you? It felt like it was the surge of the entire block with what happened in my house.

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She didn't experience that at all. I went down this rabbit hole and I reached out to a medium. I worked with a medium for a couple of years, really trying to hone my medium ship abilities.

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Then I didn't float out of this. I put it on the back seat in the back seat. Then I had someone reach out and say, "I'm interested in this. You're interested in this. Let's do some readings together."

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I was like, "Okay. No skin off my back. I'm still practicing. Now I'm licensed and I'm practicing and I've got a full client caseload and two young kids."

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She brought a friend and I brought a friend and we both did a reading together. In this reading, my friend, who I was more of an acquaintance, I knew her, I knew her husband, her father-in-law came through and said all the sort of things he loves you.

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He loves a son. He's so proud of him. He loves your grandson. A couple of validating things. But nothing that I was like, "Oh, this is really something."

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I definitely tapped into something. Nothing's super evidential. It didn't seem like the end of the reading. I said, "He's showing me this ring with a blue stone in the middle."

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I said, "Does that ring true?" She said, "I don't know. I'll go home and ask my husband." She went home and she asked her husband. The husband said, "My dad didn't wear jewelry."

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Everything else you said was lovely, but sure, that seems kind of generic. That could have been anybody. Two days later or a week later, whatever it was, he texted me a picture of a ring. Exactly as I described it.

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He said, "I just walked in my childhood home in Philadelphia. My mom walked out and said, "I just found this ring of your dad's and I think he wanted you to have it."

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Exactly as I had described it. At that point, I was like, "Okay, there's something here that feels unexplainable to me."

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I wanted to understand it more. I did readings for 30 to 40 people. I just said, "Anybody who knows someone, I want to give this a try and see."

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I would say it was probably like B plus medium reader. But it better than me.

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I feel like for this work, it's so important that you're closer to an end. Maybe I could have gotten there if I continued down the path and really, really, really honed my skills.

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But it felt like that wasn't quite the right fit. I feel like Goldilocks. Does this feel like where I belong? Is that Goldilocks right now?

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It's a little too cold. This was a little too hot.

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What came of it was the podcast of integrating these two pieces. I was a psychologist and I was in Am still involved in my kids' community.

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I serve on the school boards and I go to baseball games with my kids. I do all the mom things.

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I also have this other part of me that was so itching to express itself. It wasn't going to be through mediumship. That wasn't where I landed.

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I always say like, "I'm sort of like the, I don't know if people remember the doctor, it's not a doctor, a suicide book, but one of the doctor, a suicide book, an Eastman book, are you my mother?"

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Yes, I love that one.

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I like the little birds like, "Where do I belong?" Everything sort of looks like it's mother, but nothing really is it's mother. That's how I felt in this space.

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I'm not in the grief space, although I'm a jigreef adjacent. I'm not a medium, although I'm a medium adjacent. I'm not in the death space, although I'm death adjacent.

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I'm not purely in the psychology space, although I'm psychology adjacent. I'm more probably rooted in psychology.

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I'm not in the channeling space, but I can talk about that. Where does that leave me?

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I wasn't finding a lot of community around this because a lot of therapists are not talking about this.

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No, they're not. They're afraid they're getting a license pulled.

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But yeah, so many people and I think you guys are seeing this certainly with the success of your podcast. I've seen this with my podcast and with even the growth of social media and mediums that seem like they're everywhere and near death experiences that are everywhere and maybe it's the sea that we're swimming in, but there's such a hunger for this content and for this information right now and people.

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People love the mystical and they want to understand the mystical and sometimes they just want to be caught in the wonder and awe of the mystical definitely and that's where I've landed.

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Yeah, and you found the perfect landing spot and because the name you found the perfect name for the podcast to based on everything you just said.

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If for those that don't know you, the show is called life, death and the space between. So that's like a perfect demagamation of everything that you just talked about.

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So congratulations. It's a great show. I love it. I've been a listener for a very long time.

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Yes, you have and I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah, and it and it.

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It has evolved and I have evolved in it as I've continued what I think is psychospiritual, my own psychospiritual journey, which has been an amazing thing to have unfold as I've explored both professional reasons, but also personal reasons.

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Like all these different interesting healing modalities.

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There's just so much so many layers, you know, so much to it, but like just getting down to just a basic.

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I don't know question. Maybe you can help me understand this.

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So I've had lots of reading done readings done throughout the years and sometimes you go and it's like, oh yeah, it's nice.

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It's just, you know, that they get very generic. They could say that to anybody. And then sometimes like there have been a couple things I've been told, really like, holy cow.

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Like how could you possibly understand that? And there's a feeling that you get as someone who's getting the reading when you get this information.

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Like I had one with my grandfather was talking about, you know, he's like lifting these bales off of my eyes, these blue bales.

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And there's, and he said something about me being his cup of tea. And that's what apparently my mom, I don't remember he died when I was very young.

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I was five, but she said he used to always say, oh, you're my cup of tea. Like that was the thing. Anyways.

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But, but there's this feeling that you get when you're in a reading or you're being read, and one of you know the right term.

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And it's just, you just feel really special. Like I felt special that he had, you know, made this connection with me.

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Are you talking when you're getting a reading from a medium or that someone comes to you from the other side? No, when you're getting a reading from a medium and someone and there's like an actual like, holy cow.

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This is a real thing. It's like, I felt like you feel almost like chosen. Like why? Why is that such an impactful feeling?

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I mean, I think because it's so mystical and magical. And in that moment, it's unexplainable and yet so real.

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That's what it is. And so that feels uniquely special, right? To have this moment that it's sacred.

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It's a sacred moment where it feels like you're touching something that you know that you can't see, that you can't grasp, but you know it's your true. It's such a true.

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And this is why also I think people cultivating their own relationships with whatever it is. A loved one. I mean, I think spirit guides your own higher self. Like we could talk about all of those things.

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But for me, I've gone, I had, I had not gone to a medium before. I've gone since, but only a couple times. And it's always pretty remarkable. Some of the things they say.

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And I have had the experience myself. So I can't question it. Like with mediums, I think sometimes you leave. And you're like, well, did I make that fit? Did I try to make that make sense? Maybe it didn't make sense.

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But in my experiences that I've had, it is my truth. And I can't, I can't erase that. Like it is so, it is, it is a part of me now. Because it is so real. As real as you and I are sitting here today, that is how real my conversation was with my aunt.

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That's amazing. And then we talk a lot about how someone gets a reading and it doesn't really hit you like, oh, you know, the medium was probably that person is probably not that good of a medium.

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But my question then is, could it possibly be not that the medium is not so good, but rather the person that's being read or the person that they call the sitter is maybe not open.

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And so it's difficult for that person to get the information because, oh, well, there you go. We're in sync. And I'll tell you very specifically why ask that question because it's very infrequent that I then we've been doing this show for about five years now.

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A lot of people graciously generously, unbelievably beautifully have offered us to sit and give us reading to things like that. And we take them up on them sometimes.

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But there's something about a reading for me that nothing hits super strong for me. And the only thing I can, because I know these people are incredibly gifted people that we've had on the show.

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I can only imagine I'm just not letting it come through or I'm blocking it or I am just not remembering it or something like that. So could there be something there where you really have to be open to the experience before you can get this magical experience from someone.

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Of course, yes. Like you have to be open and willing. But you also seem like you are.

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And that's a dichotomy of it already. I've had some experiences like the guy came in without my visa man or woman or who it was. I'm sorry. And it's talking about your grandmother and said like the light brown hair and the green eyes, which looking at you, known whatever say someone related to him is going to have green eyes and like, you know, red hair.

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That's true. Maybe it's just me that just doesn't allow myself to feel the magic. I just don't like, there's never been a time because I do I really the whole thing about a show is I really want to believe I just need to figure it out pragmatically how to wrap my head around it.

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You ever experienced any of your own signs or synchronicities. Yeah, synchronicities. I do I do know now that the universe works the way that the universe works to a large extent. I constantly get the angel numbers.

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I get confirmation a lot of very small, very specific ways for me. But when I'm working with someone else, it doesn't typically happen.

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You are going to confident everything I just say. Okay, I can't wait. I have been there. I watched it. Now does you remember?

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Okay, so there was a conference that he wanted to go to. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It was out of time. We weren't sure we'll make it some big decisions.

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You know, potential big financial moves and we're like, well, we probably shouldn't. I don't know. It was like $2,500 or something.

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And I'm like, if the money falls into your lap, sure, you know, we probably shouldn't take this out of this budget. What was it like three weeks later or something?

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If that, probably we were speaking with someone who had done just she's a fantastic person. She had done some blessings from me that have changed my life.

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And she said, well, I'm going to put you as an affiliate for for these blessings that I do. Well, like, oh, thanks, but you know, you don't have to, well, she did it.

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So we can message from her. Oh, so your payout is going to be $2,500. I'm like, yeah, it was super, it was oddly specific.

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Yes, that's just a weird number. Like, I mean, it's, you know, and yet, right. So it sounds to me. Well, like maybe how you wanted to show up and how it's showing up are different.

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And you're like, wait, no, no, no, no, that doesn't count, but because I want it to look like I want to just find it or win the lottery or something.

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I feel like I'm saying across my therapist all over.

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And I think that that's what's hard about this work is that because it's non local often and because it's, you know, not necessarily something that is repeatable or really what sort of I want to say here.

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Like, it's not like predictable test of predictable or you can your mind can make it whatever it wants to be in some way.

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Yes, yes. And so your mind can say, no, that that's actually not what I wanted it to be.

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We tried to explain it away.

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Right. We try to explain it away. Sign Tivy. I do. Sign Tivy.

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That's just a coincidence. Right. That's like my famous last words kind of thing and a lot of things.

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So you might put I'm curious because it's there are times where I sat next to her in front of a very talented medium who tells me nothing at all that makes sense to me.

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That just that does it just falls super flat. I know I know she's very talented, but she's not getting to me.

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She's not connecting with anybody that I know or, you know, the information is just not right.

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And what is her response to that usually?

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I mean, that's why I don't sit for that anymore because it's really uncomfortable because then did I have to say I'm sorry just a sland and she's like,

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Oh, well, I'm sorry. Sometimes I don't work or whatever that kind of what can they say to very gracious, but I'm thinking, you know, it's kind of, it's kind of me, you know, but anyway, back to you, Amy.

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Well, I would encourage you yourself to just continue to stay open and cultivate your own relationship.

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Like maybe that way isn't what works for you. Maybe it's not through another medium.

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Maybe it's just through your own connection that you have these experiences.

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I'm feeling the I'm so glad this is recorded.

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I'm feeling the weight of a stare next to me.

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All right. Well, I do want to I want to continue our conversation. It's like enough about me. I don't need to be.

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Yes, yes. Well, we can talk about that offline, but not with not with Karen and present.

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So I'm excited to hear about a couple.

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I'm excited to hear about how you're incorporating this into your work with people.

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That's what I was going to. And how that comes across or how it's received, I guess.

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So first of all, I want to start with like the basics of what psychology means, right?

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Psychie is soul.

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It doesn't mean mind. It doesn't mean it means soul.

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I did not know that. I didn't either.

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Yeah. And we've gotten so away in our in this field, I think, from the soul.

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And so my work is really sort of evolved from that place of like, how are we incorporating the soul?

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How are we thinking about the soul in clinical work?

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But it goes beyond that. And I think, you know, what I started to see was I would have people reach out, you know, first they wanted readings.

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And I don't do readings. And then it was like, can we have therapy with you? And as I go, I'm full.

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So I started to think about, okay, well, what could I create that would help people really connect more deeply with their own soul?

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And so will earlier you mentioned this concept of live your life backwards. So I created this online course called live your life backwards, which was a way for people really to tap into the essence of their soul.

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The spiritual part of ourselves that I believe does not die. It exists across time and space, even when our physical body dies.

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It is still there. And yet so often what I think we see in particularly psycho psychological diagnoses, we get a list of symptoms.

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But all those symptoms tell me are like, I have trouble concentrating. You know, it's difficult for me to eat. It's hard for me to fall asleep at night.

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That tells me nothing about the person. And so I started to really get into with in this in this course of your life backwards.

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What is it the essence of who you are? What makes you tick? What is what are those words that just light you up inside that you want to be living?

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Because when you're living from your soul, people will call it soul's purpose. I call it essence because I don't think that we have like one soul purpose here.

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I think we have qualities that are meant to be shared. And when we come from a place of sharing those qualities, we are feeling like we are living on purpose every single day.

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And so I created this notion of like how you can get more deeply in touch with your essence.

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Then I started having therapists reaching out to me saying, can I get a consultation because my clients coming into my office and they're talking about their loved one who passed and they had this experience with them. And I don't know what to do.

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I don't know what to say. Or I feel like this person really would benefit from talking to a medium. But I don't know can I refer.

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So now I have sort of these two converging groups who are both saying in their own ways, like how do we bring more spirituality into the clinical space?

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And honestly for two years, I struggled with this. I was like, what should this look like? And I had Google documents and I was working with some people and not working with some people.

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And you know, like we talked about earlier, like the iteration of different businesses. And I could not muscle my way into what I knew was something but couldn't quite figure out what it was.

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And I was in the shower and I got a download and suddenly everything made sense. And I was like, oh, okay, this is what it has to be.

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It's going to be called spiritually informed therapy. It's going to be specifically for therapists who are looking to integrate more spirituality into their clinical work. And it's not spirituality through the lens of religion or divinity.

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I mean, there is the divine piece of it. But it really is everything that you talk about on your show that I talk about on my show. It's, how do we look at grief and mediumship and astrology and numerology and tarot and

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past lives and Akasha records and like, is there a place for those in the therapeutic space if clients are seeking those things out because we know more people are.

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You've had all these people on your show, right? Akasha records readings and past life regressions and all the things because people are curious about them.

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And when they're coming into our therapy office, our consultation room and they're leaving that part of themselves outside, we are missing an entire part of the clinical work.

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And so in the psychedelic space, they're talking so much about how are you integrating a psychedelic experience and because these psychedelic experiences that can be very spiritual.

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We have entire trainings and integrating these and yet when people have after death communications or shared death experiences or near death experiences and they have or just just crazy spontaneous spiritual experience that makes them feel manic, a Kundalini awakening, whatever it is, their piss aren't prepared for that.

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So they label it as they look at their DSM and they're like, oh great, you meet this criteria, which they might.

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But also there might be something else going on and we have to understand they don't automatically disqualify the something else they don't pigeonhole you into that box that psychology box.

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Well, yeah, because I mean, I think it's just so fantastic what you're doing because otherwise I think people, you know, when adults, especially I mean children all go to therapy as well.

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But if you're not looking at the soul, you're just looking at a series of reactions and some personality that was formed by a series of reactions to events throughout your life.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But why are you reacting?

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You know, who are you?

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Because that would imply the e-coming completely blank slate and you start fresh.

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But if we're coming in as souls and choosing this lifetime for whatever reason, we're coming in, you know, we're not that 100% blank slate.

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But can I call out the fact that you are actually having other clinicians coming to you saying, I don't know what to say to my client who is having after death conversations with someone.

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But how far we have come?

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I don't know.

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Like 50 years ago, I think you that person would have been in the street jacket somewhere.

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Well, maybe or they would have seen young or go right, right, right.

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You know, we need it.

394
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,000
So there's, you know, the birth of doulas and there's deaf doulas.

395
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We need an awakening doula.

396
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Totally serious.

397
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Someone that can help people through these processes.

398
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Right.

399
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Because they are awakened.

400
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I mean, oftentimes like I was having dinner with this amazing woman.

401
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You may have heard of her Caroline Mace.

402
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Oh, no.

403
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Once or twice.

404
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The name rings a bell kind of sort of.

405
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Yeah.

406
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She happens to live not far from me.

407
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And I did a podcast with her and she was like, we should get dinner.

408
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And I was like, oh, that's me.

409
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Right.

410
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:57,000
And she asked me, she said, you know, the first thing you want to know, she's very direct is what is someone's own spiritual awakening?

411
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And so for me, that was very easy.

412
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Like I could very clearly trace like that moment where I was completely broken down and had what I described.

413
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Right.

414
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,000
I said I had a choice.

415
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I could go one way that would have taken me down a path that would have been very safe, but very unfulfilling and unhappy.

416
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And I had to get off that treadmill.

417
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000
And that's me.

418
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That was a moment I was in therapy at the time. I did a lot of deep work around what some of these beliefs I had and what they were rooted in and what it meant to have a degree from this great institution and be, you know, waiting tables and trying to figure myself out.

419
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And it was just it was a lot of inner work in terms of like all of society's demands and what society expected of me and what I wanted for myself.

420
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And so that was, you know, this moment that really brought me to my knees and at that time I was very anxious and very depressed and had I not taken a look, that's when my soul could have fell fall and out of alignment.

421
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Like you could argue it was sort of teetering there.

422
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And so I listened to that voice inside of me that said, like, get off the treadmill.

423
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If you need to, like, I was living at home, I was lucky, my parents were not supporting me financially, but I had a roof over my head.

424
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So I could do that and I could take a step back and just say, okay, let me figure this out.

425
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,000
And I did. And so I'm grateful for that.

426
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:37,000
And then in combination with like my aunt, like those two things, I had this, and that's probably I'm actually thinking out loud.

427
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And that is probably what allowed me to be more open to her coming.

428
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I never even thought about it, but this notion of like, okay, I'm on this journey that is more spiritual.

429
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,000
It's no longer just about like, what is my personality? What defines me externally?

430
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,000
It was really about like, who am I? What is my soul crying out for?

431
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Right.

432
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
And how can I answer to that?

433
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:09,000
Well, one of the things I know about you is this thing about purpose versus essence.

434
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Right. And that we have been chasing the wrong thing all along. Can you elaborate on that?

435
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Yeah. So I think that people think I'm here for one purpose.

436
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:28,000
And that's like so limiting. It's like thinking that there's only one person in the world that's meant to be your person.

437
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,000
It's like, no, you were probably in a place at the time, right?

438
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,000
There are, I don't believe that there's like one perfect soulmate for us.

439
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000
What? I know.

440
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,000
We just look at each other like what?

441
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:49,000
I mean, I think there are circumstances that bring us together with someone,

442
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,000
but there could have been another set of circumstances that bring us together with someone else.

443
00:38:53,000 --> 00:39:03,000
And so I think that purpose in the same way, like there is not one reason specifically that we are here.

444
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,000
We are here to express those sparks of our soul.

445
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000
And those sparks of your soul are your essence.

446
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,000
So for me, I think a big spark of my soul is connection connecting to people.

447
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,000
It's helping. It's giving. It's joy.

448
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,000
It's love. Like those are all things that my soul is here to express.

449
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:33,000
I believe all of our souls are here to express those things, but some are maybe a little bit more loud for some people than others.

450
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:40,000
And then each day I get to ask, how am I expressing those sparks in my soul?

451
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:48,000
And if I can each day address those little sparks and do the things that help other people and make connections

452
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:57,000
and bring joy and express love, then I am living a purpose that is so much bigger than a job or a...

453
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,000
I don't know. I think people think that their purpose is often like in their career path.

454
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,000
And it's so much bigger. That's so limiting. It's so much bigger than that.

455
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:15,000
It's like, what am I here to bring to this world? And how can I bring my soul in a way that allows it to shine?

456
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000
Yeah, I love that.

457
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,000
And I also think that you talked about having more than one soulmate, which I 100% agree with.

458
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:31,000
And I think we have different soulmates, not for different purposes, but like my best friend the world passed away about four years ago.

459
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,000
And we were absolutely soulmates, different than my soulmate with you, with our daughter.

460
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,000
Oh my gosh, absolutely. And I think maybe some you connect with a certain parts of the world.

461
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Those people that you just click with and you're constantly doing whether it's working or playing or whatever.

462
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,000
You just have those really fundamentally changing moments with these people.

463
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And then maybe you move on because it's time to be to experience a different soulmate.

464
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,000
But I do, I think and I think people get stuck on the fact you got to find your one soulmate and you're just going to get married.

465
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,000
And that's all it is. But it really is so much more than that.

466
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,000
Yeah. And I do believe we're part of a soul tribe.

467
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,000
So those people we all have those people that come into our lives and we're just like, you feel for me.

468
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,000
Yeah. Like there is a familiarity to you. Like I've known you before.

469
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,000
Or you just like jump in and you feel so deeply connected.

470
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,000
And sometimes they're here for just to test you, right?

471
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,000
To make things challenging for you so you can learn beyond it, to grow to evolve beyond it.

472
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,000
So sometimes your biggest enemy, it could be your biggest soulmate.

473
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Well, it could be there for your biggest soul, right?

474
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Yes, exactly. Exactly.

475
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,000
That was very deep.

476
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,000
I think I'm I can be deep sometimes too.

477
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:55,000
I'm kind of curious about how you when you, I mean, must take a transparent courage in your field to talk so openly about the spiritual side of things.

478
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Like we talked earlier, but the fact that some folks were scared to talk about it because they're afraid they're going to get to license yanked.

479
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,000
How did you feel coming out of the closet, so to speak, in that sense?

480
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,000
Yeah, it was scary.

481
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000
I bet.

482
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:24,000
It felt like there was this tipping point for me where I realized that I stopped caring so much that other people were going to believe or not believe me.

483
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:30,000
I wasn't I found myself in a place where like I was no longer here to try to prove something.

484
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:43,000
I was just here to present the information that I was coming across and people could make their own choices whether or not they wanted to believe or not believe that's not for me to say and it's not how I work with my clients either.

485
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,000
I'm not my clients. Some of them, all of them know I have a podcast.

486
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Some of them have chosen to listen to it.

487
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Many of them have not because they don't want to know this about me or no more about me, which is completely fine.

488
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:03,000
There's even the issue of boundaries which many therapists would never do this because it opens you up.

489
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:10,000
That creates issues in the clinical space which I feel well equipped to handle and interpret and deal with.

490
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:19,000
I did call a couple of the physicians that refer to me because I have a lot of I'm in Chicago, a lot of physicians from Northwestern, right, these big research institutions.

491
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Frankly, I see a lot of people who are physicians and lawyers and financial people and those are the people that are getting referred to me.

492
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:36,000
I wanted that if they Googled me and looked at my website, they weren't going to be like, "What did they say? I'm just sending to you."

493
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,000
This woman seems like a complete quattro.

494
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:47,000
When I called them, they were all like, "Oh, okay, that sounds amazing." Now, some of them, I listened to your podcast.

495
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:55,000
I've referred your podcast to my patients because it's healing and people are curious and they want to know.

496
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:03,000
They're not saying, "Take this as the gospel and neither am I." I'm saying, "It's an invitation to be curious and to be open."

497
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:13,000
That's all I want. Once I moved out of the place of am I doing something on ethical? I'm not telling people this is how they have to think or believe or anything.

498
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:22,000
I'm just opening up a world to them. That's what I do every day with my clients. I'm just curious with them about whatever it is that they're going through.

499
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,000
I'm not there to tell them they should believe that they're loved one who crossed over is with them.

500
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:34,000
But if they want to talk about it, I'm open to it. If you want to talk about signs, let's talk about it.

501
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:43,000
By the way, if your loved one comes through in a session which they have done, I'm going to ask you, "Are you okay with me sharing some information with them?"

502
00:44:43,000 --> 00:45:01,000
That feels very relational and real and authentic. I think at a time where we do not trust anything around us, we need authenticity and connection.

503
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:14,000
I think that everything I do, I offer up internally with love and healing. That is my intention behind any intervention that I ever make with a client.

504
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:26,000
That's how I see this. I'm just holding a space for people to be open and curious. If you don't want to come see me, that's just fine.

505
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:36,000
I'm not the right therapist for you. There will be someone else who is. That's why there's 31 flavors at basketball.

506
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,000
My mom always says, "Some like chocolate and some like vanilla."

507
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000
That's true.

508
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:54,000
I think that it's so interesting because you're hearing about more and more in the bodily medical field where hospitals are bringing in raky practitioners.

509
00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:03,000
They're starting to look at energies and things that are outside of the standard protocol. It makes perfect sense that you would do this in your field as well.

510
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:11,000
I really hope that this becomes a thing because there's so many more ways to heal people than what we are currently just looking at.

511
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:20,000
I think we could all probably agree that the current psychological modalities in which we're treating people are not working the way that they show.

512
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:35,000
We have a huge mental health crisis. What we know statistically is 60 to 70 people, 60 to 70% of people report that spirituality has been profound in their healing journey.

513
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:43,000
Only 5% of therapists are trained. This is out of the research from Harvard's Mental Health and Spirituality Institute.

514
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:58,000
We have a huge mismatch there and a huge opportunity to have people. I've struggled with, "Do I want a very specific prescriptive framework for what this is?"

515
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:07,000
I do have a framework around it. But more it's a lens. It's like a shifting of your lens in terms of how you are seeing the person sitting in front of you.

516
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Can you see them as a spiritual being having a human experience? And then what does that mean in terms of how you work with them?

517
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:22,000
That's very different than someone showing up in front of me and saying, "This person's depressed. That means they look like this and that means their treatment looks like this."

518
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,000
That means when they get to this point, they're done.

519
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,000
What's an insurance company's doing?

520
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:35,000
There are a lot of things. But it's like shifting the perspective from a flat to a 3D.

521
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,000
Or 5D.

522
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:50,000
So, Dr. Amy, from someone who first-hand has first-hand experience with the power of a high-tree being open to other things.

523
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:59,000
For long-time listeners, they know that it was my counselor, my psychologist, who turned me on to this whole world to begin with.

524
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:04,000
I say, "Thank you for what you're doing." Because it is a huge, huge service.

525
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:10,000
What you're doing, we need a lot more people to be awakening dolas in the world than there are right now.

526
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Thank you for finding that gap in the world that you're living in helping to fill it. It's going to make the world a way better place.

527
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,000
I feel like the gap found me.

528
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,000
As it always does. Absolutely.

529
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Yeah.

530
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:36,000
I feel like it just was like, it's like those ideas that are out there and it's like, "Okay, who's going to be the person that grabs onto it?"

531
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:42,000
And makes it 3D, right? Like brings it into reality.

532
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:49,000
And I just feel blasts that it found me because I'm so excited for where this is going.

533
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:54,000
And the thirst from therapists, like when they hear about it, and to have people reaching out and being like,

534
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,000
"I'm looking for a spiritually informed therapist."

535
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:05,000
And it's like, that wasn't the thing people even necessarily thought about a year ago. And now it's a term that people are using.

536
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:16,000
And they're saying, "I want this in my work and I want people who are trained to understand that maybe I do want to go to a psychic and hear what they have to say."

537
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,000
They're saying it out loud.

538
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,000
Right.

539
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Dr. Amy, your website is Dr. Amy Robbins.com. We're going to add a direct link to that website on our show notes.

540
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,000
So all you need to do is go to scepticminivision.com, go to her website page. You'll find it there linked in directly.

541
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:41,000
But if you are a clinician or you're someone who wants to listen to your podcast, other than your website, is that the best place for them to reach out to?

542
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,000
If they want to learn more about your program?

543
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:53,000
Yeah, and Instagram. I'm somewhat active, although trying to mitigate how much I'm on Instagram because I can go down to Rabbits.

544
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,000
Can we all?

545
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:59,000
Can we all, right? So I'm on Instagram as Dr. Amy Robbins, my podcast, Life, Death in the Space, Between.

546
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:09,000
And I'm redoing my website. Shortly, I don't know when this is going to air, but my website right now is not super clear in terms of what is available.

547
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:25,000
And it's going to be very clear because I have gotten much clearer over the course of the past probably eight or nine years, but maybe 48 years in terms of what how I can continue to share my essence with everybody.

548
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:32,000
So I think that will be clear, hopefully maybe when this podcast airs, but if not one of the airs in a couple weeks after it airs.

549
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000
All right, maybe we can try to coordinate when that happens.

550
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:43,000
And please, people reach out to Dr. Amy because she is just this incredible fountain of information and the way you explain the way she explains things, I know who I'm talking to here.

551
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,000
It's just incredible. It's so easy to take in to understand it.

552
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,000
It really kind of like you feel a little clicks happening to reach out to Dr. Amy.

553
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Yeah.

554
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Thank you. That's always my goal is to make all of this make sense.

555
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Yes.

556
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,000
And you do a great job with it.

557
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:05,000
So Dr. Amy Robinson, thank you so much for being on the show today. I really appreciate your time.

558
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,000
Thank you.

559
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:13,000
Now, you know, we spent so much time trying to figure out how to live that we never stop to ask what life is actually for.

560
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,000
You know, so Dr. Amy didn't choose this path.

561
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,000
Right. It shows her the gap found her the gap found her and maybe that's the point.

562
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:28,000
Sometimes the thing that breaks you open is the very thing that finally lets the light in.

563
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:35,000
So whatever questions you can't shake, maybe it's not your way.

564
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,000
Maybe it's not in your way.

565
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,000
Maybe it is the way. How about that for deep?

566
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,000
Very deep.

567
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,000
We'll see you in the next episode of the Scatting Manifestions.

568
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,000
Until then, take really good care of yourself.

569
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