Lorenzo Jones on Astrology, Numerology & Astro-Numerology

Astrology or Numerology? Why This Reader Says You Don't Have to Choose

Key Takeaways

Astro-numerologists like Lorenzo Jones blend astrology and numerology into a single practice, comparing natal charts and birth codes side-by-side for confirmation.
Planetary aspects in astrology directly map to numerological meanings, such as the 60-degree sextile connecting to the number six's theme of balance and support.
Numerology isn't necessarily simpler than astrology, but it is often more accessible because people find the math and basic numbers easier to digest initially.
Human design acts as a third lens that incorporates elements from both astrology and numerology, along with the I Ching, to provide deeper psychological nuance.
Mercury retrograde encourages internal communication with the self and a healthy detachment from the outside world rather than serving purely as a period of doom.

Show Notes
Transcript

At Spirit Fest in Virginia Beach, Will and Karen sit down with Lorenzo Jones, an astro numerologist who blends astrology and numerology into a single practice, reading natal charts, transits, and birth codes side by side to see where the two systems confirm each other.

Lorenzo breaks down how planetary aspects like sextiles and trines map directly onto numerological meanings, reads Will's own chart live (life path 1, Libra rising, Cancer moon, and all), and explains why numerology isn't the "simpler" of the two modalities so much as the more accessible one.

He also touches on human design as a third lens that pulls from both systems plus the I Ching, walks through what Mercury retrograde actually asks of us, and shares a real-time read on the astrological chart of the event itself, a rare air trine wrapped in a "mystic triangle," which he says explains the unusually high energy in the room that day.

It's a conversation about how multiple systems of ancient knowledge can point to the same truth, and what happens when you ask a professional to read your chart on camera.

Guest: Lorenzo Jones

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Frequently Asked Questions

What is an astro-numerologist?

An astro-numerologist is a practitioner who blends the modalities of astrology and numerology, reading natal charts, transits, and birth codes simultaneously to find where both systems confirm each other.

Do you need your exact birth time for numerology?

No, you do not need your exact time of birth for numerology; a birth date consisting of the month, day, and year is sufficient to calculate your life path and core numbers.

Why is an exact birth time important in astrology?

An exact birth time is crucial for accurate astrological readings because the ascendant or rising sign changes approximately every four minutes, setting the precedent for the entire chart's house system.

What does Mercury retrograde actually mean?

When Mercury goes retrograde, energy is turned internally toward self-reflection and internal communication rather than being projected outwardly into the world.

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Just when you thought it was safe to turn it off,

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we are back on your TV set.

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I am Will.

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And I'm Karen.

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And you're watching a special edition of the Skeptic Metaphysicians

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live from Virginia Beach Convention Center here at Spiritfest.

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I got a woohoo each time.

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You got a woohoo. This is a woohoo occasion. Woohoo-able occasion.

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Yes, even Lorenzo Jones is getting in on the woohoo.

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Lorenzo Jones. Lorenzo Jones is an astronumerologist.

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I have no idea what that means.

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Oh, well, I can be the astro-numerologist. You put the

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two together, and you get Lorenzo Jones.

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Well, I mean, yes.

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Let's have him explain what it means.

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Probably a good idea. Let's make sure that microphone's on,

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and then here we go.

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So as astro-numerologists, it's just simply blending the two modalities

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of astrology and numerology. So instead of saying astrologist and numerologist,

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it's astro-numerologist.

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I love that.

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Astro-numerologist.

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So then do you actually take both of them and

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do it in the same reading or do you do

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separately or how do you do it?

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Both.

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I can either look at your natal chart through astrology,

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look at your initial imprint, look at your transit. I

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can also break down your birth code, which is your birthday.

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And then I blend the two together and see what

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we have. And, you know, 99 times out of 100,

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they line up with one another.

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So it's confirmation.

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Yeah, very cool.

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So why do astrology and numerology blend so well?

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Because you got to understand numbers are everything. Numbers are

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the energy.

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And then when you look at aspects in astrology, they

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break down to meanings in numerology. So basically you have

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certain aspects, meaning the relationship between planets. Like for instance,

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you have what's called a sextile. That's a 60 degree

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connection between the planets. And if you look at numerology,

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that's six. That six is about supporting and bringing balance

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between something. And there's an opportunity between that when you're

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working with somebody.

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Wow.

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So then what happens if you know that you are

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a life path one Gemini? You just out of there.

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Life path one Gemini.

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Probably very rambunctious. Wow.

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I'd be called worse.

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Yeah. So you being a life path one Gemini.

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Means that basically you have a lot of diversity and

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versatility in you. You think quick on your feet, but

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you also engage in this leadership role.

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You're very ambitious.

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you're creating something and making something happen, you have to

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It's not standoffish. Yeah.

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I feel called out again.

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Did I, why did I even mention that?

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I'm like path one, new German. I, for God's sakes.

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No, you want to hear more about you.

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I mean, yeah, but, But then what happens, because do

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That's astrology.

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See, a lot of people mainly think they only know

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the time that you're born, then when I look at

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that you can see within those charts.

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moon Libra. So, yeah.

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You play too hard to make people happy, don't you?

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this would be indicative of right now, this whole publishing

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factor right there, getting things out.

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Through a communicative fashion right there.

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Also teaching the education and bringing the kind of local

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things about it or the kind of minute, small things, because,

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you know, the opposite of.

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Gemini is Sagittarius, which you would do big things.

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type style because it's Gemini as far as education goes.

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me short. It's diminutive. I heard that word out there.

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I said communicative.

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Communicative.

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Big difference.

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I was just reading into things.

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So I find it interesting that all these different modalities,

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whether it's numerology, astrology, human design, all these things... They're

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all very different, the source cards, and yet they all

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speak the same.

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So I know a little bit about human design.

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different modalities, but it does pull aspects of astrology in

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there along with some I Ching. And then you can

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also look at the numerology of certain things going on.

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If you pull certain gates and you pull different channels

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in human design and you break it down numerologically, you

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can see the whole energetic effect, how it still connects.

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With human design. And then the planetary aspects, if you

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look at your individual planets based on whatever gate they

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enter in human design, it does from that aspect give

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more nuance to how your Mercury might be interacting or

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how your Saturn might be interacting along with your Sun.

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And then they introduce and let you know the most

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astrologists don't talk about is your Earth sign. So you

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get that from human design. You can also look at

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that from the astrological aspect as well. So your earth,

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I know you're about to ask, is in Sagittarius. So

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you're comfortable with the big ideas, the travel, the huge education, understanding.

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And a lot of travel.

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So you got the short travel with the sun and

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then you're like, I'd rather be more comfortable traveling somewhere

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along the distance, having fun, maybe even out of the country.

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Definitely. That's definitely me. Holy smokes. You said a lot

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of words about travel.

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Jupiter houses and trines and things like that.

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I have a question about astrology. Someone talks about Mercury

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and retrograde. It's like this big scary thing. Like, oh,

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Mercury is in retrograde. Don't do anything. Just stay in bed.

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Is there an opposite? Is there like a good, like, hey,

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this is in this grade.

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Everything except Mercury retrograde.

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See, here's the thing.

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When planets go retrograde, just not Mercury, because right now

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Mercury is not the only planet retrograde. You also have

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Neptune retrograde. You also have Pluto retrograde right now. So

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that's also going on. But when it's retrograde, it's a

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lot of focus is turned internally towards self and not

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and how it's governing all this technology or not, then

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it's directing everything inside. So now all the rewiring and

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everything gets confused and surgery and everything. So now that's

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why it's going haywire. So it kind of wants us

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When you're looking at the Mercury retrograde.

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It's like talking to yourself. Yeah. That's what it means.

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Mercury communication, internal communication with self.

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Oh, all right.

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Did you get that?

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Kind of.

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You talk to yourself all the time.

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Mercury doesn't matter. Mercury, mercury. I can't, you know, it's just,

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that's all I do. Uh, so, okay.

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It's tigers and bears.

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Uh, it's so complicated. It's so complicated. It does. But

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think of these aspects as a relationship. Each one of

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these planets have a particular archetype, a particular energy. And

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these aspects are just the relationship between the planets. So

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when I say sextile, I say trine, if I say square,

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sometimes conjunctions can be harmonious depending on how the planet

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are basically learning lessons. We don't have to always pinpoint, like,

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this is just so extremely negative. We just have to

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learn these lessons. There's certain hurdles that we have to

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get over when we're making our way through life.

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Right. Well, I know that Schoolhouse Rock just went through

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Karen's head as soon as he said conjunction.

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I could see all over her face. What's your function? Yeah,

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I know, Karen.

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So if someone comes here to Spiritfest in the next

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two and a half hours and they want to sit

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Please come. Yeah, come on.

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What are you waiting for?

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What can they expect from a session with you?

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We can dig in, get a little bit of insight.

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You can get a little bit of strategy, development.

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We can unlock some traits that you may not have

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known you had, or we can give you confirmation on

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certain things.

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Okay.

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And so you do it basically that you ask someone's

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birth date and that's it.

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I got to get the birth date whether it's astrology

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or numerology.

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I need that birth date.

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But do you need the time of birth?

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For astrology to be accurate. Location and birth time to

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be accurate with astrology.

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Don't you want to be accurate?

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Yeah, you want to be accurate but everybody doesn't know

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their birth time.

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So then if that's the case, you can still approximate

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like if they know within a couple of hours and

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I'll let them know like So you're ascending in your

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moon might be a little bit off, but we can

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look at the rest of the planets because they're most

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likely going to have that same degree for that whole day.

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But then what if someone doesn't have the time of

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birth or whatever? I mean, how close can you say?

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You just got to be accurate, but how close can

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you get there?

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Your ascendant switches every four minutes.

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Four minutes.

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Yeah, you're ascending.

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So that changes your whole rising sign or rising degree,

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how you engage.

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I don't even bother if you don't know your time.

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You can approximate, but you can still look at different

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You may not have the rising sign, but you can

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still see the other planetary relations that they have and

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determine other things that are going on.

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Those aspects will still be there.

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The house system just helps us see what areas of

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life that they'll play out in.

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Oh, gotcha.

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Now, what about with numerology? Do you need to know

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the time for that?

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We don't need to know the time, but there are

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certain techniques you can use the time for. But we

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don't need the time. I can just look at the

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day you were born, the month, and the year. I'll

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let you know the psyche, which is how you basically

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think and your initial response to things. What we call

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your approach number, which is how you engage in interactive situations.

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and then your life path, which is basically your trajectory

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in life.

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So I know when I was younger, one of my

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favorite things to do when I got the newspaper is

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to go right to the horoscope and read out my

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horoscope to see what my day was going to be like.

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Is that the kind of stuff that you do, or

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is it more about getting to know who you are

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and what your challenges are so you're pre-warned?

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More getting about know who you are and maybe indicators

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of things you want to look out for. Both of

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these are a blueprint and a guide to kind of

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help you navigate life. You know, we're not going to

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be able to always pinpoint the exact specifics, but we

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can throw out the warning sign that be cautious and

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beware because whether it's numbers or whether it's planets, there's

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always a polarity of energy. Everything is not going to

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go one way. Nothing is not going to be all good.

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It's never going to be all bad. And sometimes it's

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just going to be pretty much neutral. But this is

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what you need to bring your awareness to when you

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come see somebody like me or somebody else that we're

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going to help you.

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Bring your awareness to these situations.

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And it's not just people, right?

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It can also be the astrology of an event or

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astrology of a company or something like that. So you

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can look at the stars to make a decision whether

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should I leap or hold?

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I mean, like, honestly, the beginning, I pulled the chart

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for this event for the beginning of the day, and

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the energy was pretty massive. It was like a pentagram

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in the chart this morning at 10 o'clock for this event.

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Wow.

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So the energy is crazy. It's like you got, you

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had a.

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An airtron wrapped up in a mystical triangle, wrapped all

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the way around with a pentagon around it.

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And it's a pentagram.

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I'm looking at the chart this morning like, oh my goodness.

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The energy is so high in here.

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So what does that mean, the energy is so high?

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What did someone expect?

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So with that airtron, I expected a lot of communication,

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a lot of things maybe quick changing.

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And moving going on with that.

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A lot of like kind of, Thoughts exchanging between people

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without words being said. So similar to like maybe telepathy

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going on between people without them not even really knowing it.

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And then you got that mystical triangle is that sextiles

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are opportunities, trines are free flowing energy. So you have

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these opportunities free flowing back and forth that people maybe

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not even realize.

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Explains a lot. Explains the conversation we just had.

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It does. So if someone was getting ready to launch

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a business, would it be a good idea to come

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to you to kind of look at maybe dates? Like

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maybe I.

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Shouldn't do it next week. We kind of look at

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certain dates. I mean, we are in a one year

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and but this is a universal one year. So people

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have their personal years. And that's one thing I look

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at for them. Even though this may be a year

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of creation, you may be in a four year. So

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fours are structures moving in truth. But sometimes fours do

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come with a little bit of challenges in order for

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you to get to that foundation, that structure, and learn

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the truth of which you should be moving towards.

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Who made these rules? Who made it that the four

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is challenging?

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It's a lot of ancient people that came up with.

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All these things.

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Those ancients, man.

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Why couldn't you just get good stuff?

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I mean, the four is.

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Not always bad, but it can come with some challenges.

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You just have to see that. Four is a diligent,

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work-hard energy. But four sometimes is stuck in its own

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way because it sets certain parameters and it becomes inflexible.

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So even though you want to stand in your truth,

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you got to be a little bit flexible to kind

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of see that your foundation is not the only foundation

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at play.

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What?

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I'm sorry.

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Not surprised.

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I am a number one Gemini, so.

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See, that Gemini energy got a duality to it. But see, Geminis,

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they don't sit in and fix energy because it's a duality.

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It's a versatility with Gemini. They can bounce back and

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forth through anything.

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That's why Geminis know how to work a room. That's right.

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They can fit into any conversation.

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And that's why yesterday I was much better at interviewing

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than I am today. So that just goes to show you.

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So what do you think? Gemini and Cancer, is it

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a good match?

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Gemini and Cancer?

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Oh, yeah.

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Or are we doomed?

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So you're the Cancer? Read the room, Lorenzo.

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Read the room.

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Basically, you don't kind of see a lot of things

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he want to do with your Cancer. Because if you're

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looking at it from a general perspective, he sits behind

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you in the chart. So sometimes things he may want

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to do may go unrecognized to you.

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Wow.

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But at the.

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Same time, because you're Cancer, you kind of support and

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bolster him up.

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Bring worth to a lot of ideas that he comes

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up with.

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I feel like he just took my words and just

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said it himself.

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Just exactly what I said and just regurgitated everything I said.

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I was like, I'm getting shifty while you're there, but

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back behind me.

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This is a family show, guys. Keep it back on.

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Get it back on track.

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Wow. So, all right.

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So, numerology seems like it's a little bit more limited

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than astrology no it's.

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Not limited it's just more accessible more accessible yes.

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Because anyone can do math not everyone can read the stars.

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No it's not it's not it's not as simple as

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just doing the math yes you can do the calculations

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but you also have to be able to interpret the

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energy of it just because you have a four where

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is that four placed at is that four placed mentally

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is it placed on how you engage or is it

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in it placed in How are you supposed to move

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forward in life?

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So how do you tell where it's placed? Because on

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the chart, on the astrology chart, you can see it's

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