What Is Love? It's Not What You Think — Scotte Burns on Love, Consciousness, and the Fabric of Reality

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Karen, you know that I love you.

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Yes, you do.

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You know a lot, but the most important part is you know I love you.

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Yes, I do.

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I love you too.

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Well, thank you.

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Now, we've been together for quite a few years, so that would make sense that we would

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love each other, right?

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I won't reveal how many because we got very late in life.

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I really don't want anyone to make it do in the math, right?

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So, but what if I told you that I also love our guest today?

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I think that is great.

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I mean, we should love everybody.

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Okay.

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And what if I went further and dropped that nugget that I actually love our neighbor and

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our leaders and that I actually love, well, everyone, even the people you don't like,

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especially the people I don't like.

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So full disclosure, that's actually the place that we want to get to being able to love

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everyone like that, right?

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But they always say fake it to you, make it right.

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So, I'm doing a bit like him.

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Now, let's take it a minute.

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No, none of with you.

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Now, let's seek this step further and say that love is actually not a feeling.

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It's not even an emotion at all.

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What if it's actually the creative and purposeful aspect of the universal consciousness?

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I think that's exactly what it is.

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I had a feeling you might agree to.

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And what if I said that the brain is not the source of consciousness after all, but rather

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an antenna?

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It activates the love.

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Then you can tune into, see what I'm headed here?

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I do, and I like it.

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Okay, well, today's guests spent a decade riding me hardly across America to answer one question.

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What is love?

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100,000 miles, 48 states speaking with monks in quantum physicists and death row prisoners.

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Wow.

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And the answer that he came back with is not anything anyone expected.

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You think, come back saying love is a feeling or a choice or even a chemical reaction?

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He came back saying that love is the actual fabric of reality.

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And on top of all the questions that that brings up, he also says that he is curious whether

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that means that artificial intelligence can love.

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Oh.

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Which honestly is either the most beautiful question anyone's ever brought up to this show

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or proof that I've completely lost control of my guest list.

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Find out which one in this episode are the skeptic manifestations.

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My name is Will.

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And I'm Karen.

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And unlike Molderen Scully, we've embarked on a journey of discovery.

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We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world.

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We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.

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I even joined a covenant with you.

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And, wait, you joined a covenant?

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Yep, all in the interest of finding something that will prove that there's something beyond

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this physical, three-dimensional world we all live in.

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Hey there, I'm Will and I'm Karen.

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Welcome back to the skepticmanifosition.

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It's a show where we ruin perfectly good small talk by asking whether the thing you feel

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in the first date is actually the operating system of the entire universe.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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We've had people on the show who channel the dead, remote view government facilities, even

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have had full conversations with their own past lives.

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But we've never had anyone try to convince us that love is literally the creative force of

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universal consciousness.

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I love that so much.

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I knew you would Scott Burns as a TEDx speaker, a researcher with over 100,000 miles of field

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work across 48 states.

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He's the author of a map of souls and the creative genius behind the wildly popular, the cartographers

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log.

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We publishes essays, stories and reflections on love, consciousness, AI and the search for

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meaning.

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So all the small talk that we're ruining today.

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Scott Burns, we're so thrilled to finally finally be able to welcome you to the skepticmanifosition.

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How are you doing today?

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I am well and I am equally glad to be here and I think I love you already.

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Yay.

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I think it's kind of a territory.

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You kind of have to say that.

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All the research you've done.

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Oh my gosh.

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That's probably an accurate conclusion.

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I don't know about proving that as we go.

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I think that's a good plan forward.

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So before we get into it, I have to know in the introduction you said across 48 states.

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So what was wrong with the other two?

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He could raise Harley.

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Well, okay.

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So who I, I guess that would be, you know, like a Chitty Chitty Bing Bing.

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Right.

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Alaska?

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We have not made it to Alaska yet.

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Although there's a road called the Cam Loops Trail that goes up to Alaska and that is

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definitely on our aspiration list.

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Wow.

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That sounds exciting.

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Yeah.

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I would recommend doing it in the summer.

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We're going to extend some love to Canada because we need to rebuild that bridge.

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Oh my gosh.

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Yes.

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Please.

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Thank you.

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We've got a lot to talk about because love is, it just happens to be Karen's thing.

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Right.

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Love is Karen's thing.

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And apparently it's yours too.

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So when you say that love is the fabric of realities, not really an emotion at all, I mean,

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that's kind of a hard one to wrap my head around.

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So can you help me get to the point where I can actually think about it logically?

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Logic is going to play a key role in this discussion, I think.

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First, one of the remarkable things that we discovered when we hit the road, you know,

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and now almost five terabytes of recorded interviews, audio and video and text interviews

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that we've done across the country is that when we ask people, when the project evolved

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to the point where we were no longer looking just at, you know, relationships and at the

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origin, nature and purpose of love itself, when we've asked people to define it and we

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usually do that by saying, finish this sentence.

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Love is no two people have ever answered that question the same way in thousands of recorded

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interviews.

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Wow.

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And that was one of the remarkable facts about the work that really created the trail of

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breadcrumbs we've been following ever since.

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So human beings can't universally define love.

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And yet we organize our lives around it more than almost anything else.

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Now that alone suggests that love isn't just a feeling we happen to have, but it's something

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more foundational.

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Right.

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But the endless related emotions that people, you know, oftentimes when we ask people to

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define it for us, they give us synonyms, you know, they'll tell us other feelings, other

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the ways it makes them feel or try to relate it to emotions that they have.

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But again, you know, you think of all the emotions that you can have because you love.

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And the most clunky related ones are the ones that people attribute to it, you know, romance,

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adoration, cherishment, honor.

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But as you have love, you also feel longing and sometimes anger and hope and all these

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different things.

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So those endless related emotions and nonidentical synonyms are too various to be love itself.

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They can't define it.

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So suggesting that suggests that love is a catalyst for all those feelings.

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It's the category and not a member of it.

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And one of the other revelations that we had was what a poor guide feelings are to understanding

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love's nature because we tend to, you know, we conflate love as being these things and

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then we get confused because we think that means there are all these different kinds and

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forms of love, you know.

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Everything you love is somehow this different manifestation of it.

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When love is actually one thing and it's the feelings themselves that are manifestations

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and expressions of it.

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And one of the ways that I get across how misguided our feelings can be in defining it is you

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can think of love.

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Both it's nature and how it works as like the sun.

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Now a long time science teacher.

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At the weird distinction of having spent 25 years as an English teacher and a science teacher.

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And so that told me, you know, what a great vehicle for getting across complex ideas stories

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are.

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But the science is also a great way of sort of showing this paradigm because one of the

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parallels that I draw is you can think of love like the sun.

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We are warmed by the sun, but we don't get any heat from it.

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Now when I say that when I do public speaking people think, well, wait a minute.

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I feel like it does.

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And because I feel that way, that must be the truth.

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You're feeling is misguiding you.

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Because a long time science teacher, there's a little thermodynamics lesson here.

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There's nothing solid in the vastness of space between the earth and the sun for heat to

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conduct.

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There's no way for heat to transfer through material in the 92 million miles between

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the earth and the sun, you know, and for heat to conduct.

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There's not enough gas or liquid out there for it to convect, you know, through differences

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in terms of pressure for it to move.

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Instead, the sun's electromagnetic energy radiates outward from it.

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Through the void of space.

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And when it strikes the earth, it energizes, you know, it's waters, it's land, it's people,

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us, pizza delivery drivers, all these things, the waters, all these things on earth, the

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atoms and molecules of which those things are made are caused to vibrate.

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They're energized.

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And it's the force and friction of that vibration that causes heat to be generated within

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the very matter of which they're made.

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So you can think of love as being much operating much the same way.

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It's radiant in the same sense.

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And we love someone.

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We're awakening and expanding and warming, energizing something that already exists within

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them, just as they do with us.

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Because we have this feeling that we're getting warmth from the sun, we think we're getting

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heat from it because we have this feeling that love is awakened in us.

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We have this impression that somehow we're getting a receiving love from someone else.

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When they're actually only working on something, operating and expanding something that's already

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within us.

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Wow.

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And it's perfect sense.

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I mean, it does, but it flips everything on its head, right?

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You're singing.

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If I understand correctly, that the feelings that we express, the feelings that we feel as

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love is not actually love.

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We're misnaming this emotion that we're feeling because love is much more of a universal

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unity amongst all of us.

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That is who we are at the basic level, right?

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It's intrinsic to consciousness itself.

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You can think of, and this is oversimplifying a bit, but you can think of love as being the

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reason you have feelings, not a feeling itself.

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So one of the ways, when I did my TED talk, one of the ways that I used to express this

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and what I do in my public speaking is you can think of love as like your senses.

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Your senses are intrinsic to you.

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You and I have the same sense of sight.

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It manifests differently.

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We have different acuity, our eyes are shaped differently, our visual cortex processes, things

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differently.

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But we both understand what the sense of sight basically is because it expresses itself differently

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within us, doesn't change what the physical sense of sight is.

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You and I can see the same thing.

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We can interpret it differently.

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We have perspectives on it.

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We might even feel differently because of it.

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The sense of sight, your love as the metaphor, is one thing, and it's one thing within us

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all.

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So interesting.

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And if you think about it, you can think about someone who just broke up out of a relationship

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and they're just so sad and they think this because they don't have any love.

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And then the person right next to them, maybe they haven't been in a relationship for years

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and they're happy as a clam.

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The situation is the same.

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They don't have someone that they're having that interaction with.

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But one person maybe is tapping into that force more fully or recognizing it or something

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where someone else only sees the lack or the feelings caused by that.

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We don't realize they can tap into that.

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I guess based on what Scott says, that other person is causing a reaction inside you that

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makes you feel the love.

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Maybe they're just holding up a little mirror to the little spots of loving you.

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You know, this is hard to talk about, Scott, because now I realize, as I said it, that's

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the wrong term to use.

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It's that you don't have feeling love.

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It's like, "Oh my God, how do we talk about this, then?"

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There's a certain grace that you have to give yourself in discussing love because language

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itself, and pains me to say as an English teacher and a long time literature instructor,

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language itself is very limiting.

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It's very difficult to get across these concepts in a way that language isn't always cutting

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a little short.

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And this is, you know, one, I've interviewed many different people.

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In fact, the man who wrote the four word for the book is Dr. Evan Alexander.

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Oh, he's been on the show.

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Yeah.

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Neuroscientist and a near-death experiencer.

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And one of the, I'm glad you had Evan, a fabulous man.

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And he and his wife, his wife Karen is just as in.

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We had her on as well.

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He's been on a couple times.

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So, we're family.

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What do you see?

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There's certain levels of separation.

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Re-reseparation.

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Yeah.

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We've been connected all along.

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We had no idea.

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Look at that.

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One of the things that near-death experiencers are commonly frustrated with is their inability

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to convey what it is that they experience because language is always limiting.

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You know, in fact, you know, some of this touches on religious and spiritual aspects and we

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start talking about, you know, universal consciousness or God or whatever term you want

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to put.

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But God itself is a limiting term because the term itself limits God to being this external

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thing from us.

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It carries the word carries definitions that can't capture the concept.

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So when we talk about love, we oftentimes are having to use a lot of language to get across

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a little bit of the right idea.

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Wow.

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You know, so we're recording this conversation around lunchtime for us.

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And it might bring, it was not ready to function at this level yet.

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Are you saying you would love to have that?

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I mean, you need to go to get a snack break just in.

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This is great.

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And it's, you know, I talk about love a lot and different experiences and thoughts and feelings.

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And one thing that I like to do is sometimes when I'm driving, not from the other day, but

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sometimes I don't drive.

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I'll tell myself, like, I really want to feel love and I'll focus on that.

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And it's almost like this swirling effect and then, like, I can feel, I told you, I can

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feel the edge of my skin and I just feel like I'm something.

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It's like the energy just like about to burst out and then everything else is better.

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Right.

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People are better.

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Everything else is just better.

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Well, that's a good point.

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So is that sky?

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Is that because she's tapping into the universal consciousness of who she is?

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Yes.

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Yay.

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Oh, thank you.

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I can't see.

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Hey, so thanks for joining us.

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Now, what you're describing there is something I actually, you know, we're talking about language,

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is a term that I invent it.

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I think I invented for the book because people, what you're describing is a form of mindfulness.

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You know, in neuroscience or in education, we call it metacognition.

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You're thinking about your thinking.

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In your case, you're trying to feel about your feelings.

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The term I've developed for the book is lovefulness.

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What you're trying to do is you're living in that space.

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You're trying to take all the things that you feel when you experience love, however

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you define it and attach that, I want to say attach them because then we get into attachment,

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which we probably need to talk about too.

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But you're trying to look through that space to see the world around you.

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You're living in the space of your love, that aspect of your consciousness that you feel

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things through and say, why can't I feel all these ways towards everything?

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Because I feel so good when love operates within me, you know, when the first time you look

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into the eyes of your child or you pet your dog, you make a connection with a friend or

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all those things that awaken that sense in us.

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What if you could feel that in every situation?

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So that's what you're trying.

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That's the space you're trying to put yourself in as what I've called lovefulness.

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I like that.

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I love that term.

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I wrote it down because I'm going to steal it.

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I'm just putting it right now.

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I'm just talking about love.

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I'm just talking about talking about love.

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It brings up an incredible point because it's where we want to get to.

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We want to be able to live from the point of loving everything and everyone and have that

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right back at us because, I mean, it changes.

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It doesn't change.

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It really emphasizes the conversation that we've heard all the time.

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The people talk about the fact that we are love.

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That is who we are at our true essence.

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So how does your concept of our brain being an antenna help to solidify that concept that

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we are truly just nothing but big balls of love?

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I think that we're a little bit more than that.

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What I'm trying to get across is that love is an aspect of consciousness itself.

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It doesn't consciousness does not define us, but it's part of who and what we are.

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And love is creative and purposeful aspect.

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It's the reason why I'm arguing.

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It's the reason why consciousness exists.

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I want to loop back to something that you said before though, because you were talking about

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in different terms, you were really talking about how we experience love and lovefulness

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and stay in that state.

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That is, lovefulness is your natural state.

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I know that life and our existence is filled with conflict and there's a reason for that

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that we can debate.

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You look at, there was a neurophysicist, I think he was a neurophysicist named Carl Friston,

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who had been a physicist, but he had developed what he called the free energy principle.

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He showed that all living systems survived by modeling and reaching outside their own

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boundaries.

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That's the natural state of existence.

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A cell reaches toward nutrients, plants reach toward light, babies reach toward a face.

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Animals are mathematically driven to minimize what he called variational free energy.

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There's uncertainty, internal conflict, conflict between us is not our natural state.

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Our natural state is to seek cooperation because it minimizes energy cost.

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This talks to the energy question that you were basically asking.

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Buckminster Fuller, the architect, philosopher, I don't know if you're familiar.

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Sure.

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Fuller.

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His idea of synergetics.

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He said, "I love his terms."

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He divided into killingery, which is weapons and conflict.

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He showed how that wastes immense energy for a living system, for a complex system.

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It doesn't make any sense.

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It's not the natural state.

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The natural state of living systems, he called livingery.

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It was the cooperation between them.

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It's the only mathematically sound way to do more with less energy.

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That leads us back to the question you had before about the receiver model.

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How do we know that consciousness is not an emergent property?

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Meaning the brain doesn't create it.

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You're receiving this pre-existing signal.

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This is something that I got from oddly enough.

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The convergence and the confluence of all these different experts and living experience

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and all these people that I've interviewed has really been more foundational to the work

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than any one religious text or epiphany that I've had.

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One of the people whose voices was key to this, oddly enough, was an electrical engineer.

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He pointed out that your radio does not create symphonies.

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Just think of the incredible amount of energy and time needed to do that.

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From the composer's ideation through the creation of the symphony through all the iterative

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process that it takes, sharing it out with all the musicians, the musician's individual rehearsal

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time, the conductor bringing all those things together.

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Your radio instead takes a tiny trickle of energy and simply receives a pre-existing

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signal and translates it into something that your brain can understand.

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The argument is what if your brain works the same way?

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Instead of creating consciousness, a new consciousness with the creation of every brain and the incredible

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amount of energy and time it would take to do that, instead taking a tiny trickle of energy,

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it's about 20 watts for a three and a half pound brain and receiving a pre-existing signal

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and interpreting it in a way that you can understand.

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Because your brain is different, it's filtering.

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You look at Donald Hoffman's work about the filtering brain, conscious agents, you're

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not in because you know Hoffman's work.

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Braining is this individual filtering system that makes a new reality.

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Because we each have that reality filtered in a different way, that's what gives us this

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impression of individuality, of what we call duality.

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I'm in here and everything else is out there.

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That's how we interpret consciousness and the interactions that we have because we have

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that sense of individuality is what defines our relationships, our conscious relationships,

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part of which is love.

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So then that's the case.

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In the instance of the sun, the example you used about the heat of the sun, there's nothing

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in space, some odd million miles to get to us.

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What happens is we feel it, because it activates something inside us and we feel like we're

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feeling the warmth of the sun.

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So the brain then receives a signal of love from where?

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Where does love come from for us to receive it?

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Where's the love son?

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Where's the love son?

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Hey, there it's Will.

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If you're one of those folks that's waking up to something bigger than what the mainstream

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media keeps trying to shout down our throats, you might feel like you're the only one who sees

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it.

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I'm here to tell you, you're not alone.

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See new reality TV is where seekers, skeptics, truth chasers, that's what we all come together

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On Roku, on Fire TV, on the web, on iOS, or on Android, there's no subscription, there's

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no gatekeeping, just real conversations about consciousness, spirituality, and the questions

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that nobody else is brave enough to ask.

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Better than anything else, no fear response, no content that's meant to enlist at this fear

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response that seems to be so pervasive in our world these days.

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I'm not talking about background noise.

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This is a network that you tell your friends about at two o'clock in the morning.

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Do yourself a favor, search new reality TV on Roku or Fire TV or on the web right now.

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You can find it at newrealitytv.com and you will thank me later.

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This is a network that gives us the kind of programming that we need.

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That's going to raise our consciousness, not try to divide us or try to keep us down

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while owing in fear.

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New reality, if you accept it, just got a whole lot bigger.

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There's not a distinction between love and consciousness.

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Love is just like you have different perceptive capabilities.

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You have sight and hearing and a sense of smell.

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You have these perceptual capabilities.

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Love is basically, and if your eyes are the organs of sight, you can think of your consciousness

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as being the organ of love.

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That's the instrument through which it operates.

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So consciousness itself is universal and timeless.

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We can get into the difference between timelessness and universality, but that's going to go

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away into the weeds.

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The interpretation, what's called the Copenhagen interpretation of the double slit experiment.

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I want to get into that a little bit if we can.

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It says that consciousness is foundational.

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It's fundamental in much the same way that gravity or magnetism is fundamental to the

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structure of the universe.

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We don't think of those things as having a beginning, middle, and end.

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They're just their universal forces.

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The interpretation of the quantum physics is bringing us to is that consciousness is

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foundational to the universe and it pre-exists.

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It's a matter of energy, you're basically just information and consciousness is the source

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of that information.

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Right.

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So I want to make sure that I double tap on that because that's probably one of the most

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important concepts to get your mind around.

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The fact that consciousness is, it is the building blocks of everything from what quantum

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physics has found.

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Consciousness makes up the vast majority of what is, period.

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So basically what you're saying is that our brains are actually attuning themselves to the

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structure of the universe.

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Right.

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And part of that is the creative aspect of that consciousness is love.

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Exactly.

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You've understood perfectly, you've passed the test.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't always happen to our freedom of art with perfect understanding.

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I mean, we love.

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Well, of course we love that.

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When I talk about the foundation and the discoveries of this work are the confluence of, it's the

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crossroads.

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It's the places where neuroscience and philosophy and faith and lived experience have all come

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together to meet.

485
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,120
That's really what we were looking for across those 100,000 miles is where do those things

486
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:51,200
agree?

487
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,520
And from the agreement that we find between them, what conclusions can we draw?

488
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:02,080
Again, what I do by public speaking is say the funny thing that that led us to is much

489
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,120
of what we're hearing about the state of the universe through quantum physics are the

490
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:11,240
same things that the Buddhists have been telling us for thousands of years.

491
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,400
You know, that turns out that Buddhists are just like quantum physicists are just like

492
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,400
Buddhists with better data.

493
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,080
I would say that scientists finally found the way to wrap their minds around what the

494
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,080
Buddhists have been saying.

495
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,000
They extrapolated the way back down to the beginning.

496
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,800
Oh my gosh.

497
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:37,400
So then I guess it would be, so I'm kind of going back now to the original, or the beginning

498
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,120
of the conversation when we're talking about, you know, what is love and how people explain

499
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,720
it through feelings, what feelings they either give or it evokes.

500
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:52,200
So if everyone, I'm thinking about relationships, romantic relationships, for example, if everyone

501
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:58,000
was able to tap into this universal, just really kind of be in that state.

502
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,120
I wonder if, you know, you have, they have types like, like we dated a lot of people, but

503
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,000
we met each other and we fell in love.

504
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,200
Like would you just, like the first person you meet have that interaction with or have

505
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,200
that feeling with?

506
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,000
Or would you still have discernment towards different people?

507
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,800
I think that would really be an individual case.

508
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:24,320
Again, you know, because we have this sense of individuality, that would really define how

509
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,680
you're interpreting that.

510
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,840
I don't think that any, you can't say that any of us can do this.

511
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,880
Can some of us live in that lovefulness state and feel that towards everyone?

512
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,880
Yeah.

513
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,600
You know, there's, in fact, I interviewed an animal behaviorist at Arizona State University

514
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:45,520
named Dr. Clive Wynn and he wrote a book called Dog Is Love about the, the, the, the, the,

515
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,680
I was in the thing is where I was looking at the existence of love manifest through animals

516
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,560
and we are huge dog lovers.

517
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,040
And so speaking with Dr. Wynn, we, I found that there's an actual, there's a chromosomal

518
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:05,360
difference in people that have what's called Williams syndrome where they're naturally loving,

519
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,840
they're friendly toward everyone.

520
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,280
They see the good in all things.

521
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,240
They're also avid music lovers.

522
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:16,400
But the relationship between love and music as a whole other place we could go down as a

523
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,000
long time you do it.

524
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,680
But dogs have that state, natural.

525
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,840
They, they have, and I don't know if it's the chromosomal structure or if it's just a gift,

526
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,000
the gift from above, you know, the present from above, but dogs have that.

527
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,800
So can a person have that?

528
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:38,320
Yeah, we actually can show there's a physical manifestation, a genetic disposition for being

529
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,200
able to, can an individual learn to do that?

530
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,200
Yeah, absolutely.

531
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,400
And again, get back, you know, Buddhist practices and what they've been trying to tell us for

532
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,400
thousands of years.

533
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,400
Yeah.

534
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,400
You can achieve that state.

535
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,160
Well, that's an interesting point about dogs because I've always known, I've always felt

536
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,440
that dogs are just unconditional love.

537
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,400
Like they're always there when you walk in the door.

538
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,400
They're always ready.

539
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,040
I mean, they, they, they just exude that they know when you're feeling down, they'll come

540
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,840
to, and they'll, they'll sue you.

541
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:05,840
Right.

542
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,520
They, they are an epiphany of, of the epiphany, not the epiphany.

543
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,520
And I'm good dropping it at a point because that's pretty dumb to put that's done epiphany.

544
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,520
That is the end.

545
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:19,640
They're like the, the, the symbol, but the, you know, your family, but I can't take the word.

546
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,080
They, they are love, personified, honest, right?

547
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,080
Right.

548
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,920
So if that's the, that's the case.

549
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,920
Where was I going with that?

550
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:27,920
I have no idea.

551
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:28,920
I don't know.

552
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:29,920
It's been a good point.

553
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,920
Right.

554
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,920
And take you somewhere with it.

555
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,920
There we go.

556
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,920
Okay.

557
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:34,920
Let's go, Scott.

558
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,920
Where are we going?

559
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,240
I, I talked about this, this phase that I went through trying to find out, you know, what,

560
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,600
how love is expressed or experienced by animals.

561
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,880
And you know, we brought up dogs.

562
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,960
One of the, the, the catalyst for that part of the research that I've done came from a place

563
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:56,560
called the dog chapel in St. John's, Burievermont, which was, it sits on dog mountain.

564
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:02,320
And the dog chapel is this beautiful, New England style colonial chapel built by an artist named

565
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Stephen Cunock and his wife, Gwen.

566
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:10,320
And it's devoted entirely to the grief and memories and devotion of those of us who have

567
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,520
been dog lovers throughout the courses of our lives.

568
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,760
And when you walk in, there are stained glass windows on all sides that have, you know, dogs

569
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,200
and dogs as angels in our window.

570
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:30,440
And, and surrounding it, the walls and ceiling, an inches deep are covered in mementos and

571
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:36,000
notes and photographs and, and little trinkets of people, you know, bringing these things in

572
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,440
and expressing their love for dogs that had been parts of their lives.

573
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,920
And usually, because they're on dog mountain, which has all these wonderful ponds and trails

574
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:51,760
and stuff, they're in this space expressing that and experiencing that grief and that loss

575
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,280
with their current dogs.

576
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,040
And it, it occurred to me, you know, that that's a met, there's a mechanism that's happening

577
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:05,200
there because, you know, grief is one of the ways, one of the key evidences that I have

578
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,520
that shows that love is not an evolutionary adaptation.

579
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,040
It's not like attachment or pair bonding.

580
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,440
Grief is physiologically catastrophic.

581
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,000
You think, you know, you look at cortisol loads, depressed reproductive states, shortening

582
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:25,640
of telomeres in chromosomes, you know, that advance as aging, even suicide.

583
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,600
Life is not present without love and it costs the griever.

584
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,080
So it can't, it makes no sense as an evolutionary adaptation.

585
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,200
It's something outside of that.

586
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:42,240
And, and it extends, you know, not just from partners and animals and our, our living relationships,

587
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,040
but that can be loss of careers, of causes, of dreams.

588
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:51,680
You know, grief, one of the most remarkable things about it is that we will enter into another

589
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,600
loving experience like people did with their dogs at the dog chapel.

590
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,160
You know, we, we experience that grief, it stays with us.

591
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,120
It doesn't, you know, one of the hardest things that people, widows and widowers that we've

592
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,440
interviewed have gone through, have told us is the one thing they hate to hear of the most

593
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,720
is, you know, you have to learn to move on.

594
00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:13,400
You don't move on from grief, you know, you move beyond it.

595
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,400
Right.

596
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,720
But you still experience it.

597
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:17,320
It stays with you.

598
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,600
Any of us that have lost anyone and that's all of us know that that grief is still

599
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,600
apart.

600
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,640
It stays apart of us.

601
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:30,560
But we learn to adapt, love in much the same way and I'm, get back into the neuroscience,

602
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,800
you know, in neuroscience there's a term called neuroplasticity where, you know, the loss

603
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:41,120
of one sense like the loss of sight, following the loss of sight, the neural cortex starts

604
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,760
to adapt to interpret audio signals.

605
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,760
Right.

606
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:50,120
And a blind person experiences sound fundamentally different because the brain is basically,

607
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,280
and I, neuroscientist hate using the term rewiring, but it's the best, again, the best way

608
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,280
we have.

609
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,800
Rewires itself to be able to use that sense, the existing sense is in a different way.

610
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:06,200
In the book, I've used that, I've, another term I developed is called arrowplasticity.

611
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Love persists beyond its objects.

612
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:15,360
When we lose someone or something and we experience that grief, it makes us, it makes our heart,

613
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,880
our spirit, you know, whatever body you want to put around it, expand in a way that we

614
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,800
can learn to love again.

615
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,520
It reorganizes whenever something or someone loves, it moves beyond our perception.

616
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,080
You know, after grief, you find new friendships opening, you know, new relationships starting,

617
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:38,280
new partners come into focus, you know, room is made for another beloved dog, new pathways

618
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,520
are taken.

619
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:46,320
So grief shows us not only the existence of love, but its persistence over time, and that

620
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,440
it persists beyond its objects.

621
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,640
And that's another evidence why love is not an emotion because emotions don't behave

622
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,640
like that.

623
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Right.

624
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,240
You know, they, they present themselves the same way over time and kind of get stuck, you

625
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,160
know, we get angry the same way when we drive.

626
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,720
We feel the same serenity during rain.

627
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:07,680
We feel some of us feel the same boredom with small talk.

628
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,520
They don't change us.

629
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,100
They're objects, you know, the driver that made us mad last time, that particular rain

630
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:16,840
started and that made us feel that way.

631
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,560
Those objects pass from memory even though the emotion stays the same way over time.

632
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,800
You know, love doesn't operate that way.

633
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:29,280
The objects of our love, they persist and they do so in ways that are unique to all of

634
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,280
us.

635
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,600
Well, how about looking at it from the flip side that if love is like that, we mentioned

636
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,720
attachments or jealousies and anger and things like that.

637
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:42,320
So how does that play into this because are those not emotions either?

638
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,200
Are they aspects of love that have been tainted?

639
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,720
How do you see it?

640
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:51,200
No, there's really, and forgive me for a minute because this is the science teacher and

641
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,920
my science, the inner science teacher and inner English teacher are always pushing each

642
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,920
other out of the way.

643
00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:02,320
So this goes back to the, you know, the science teacher and we had a way of explaining the

644
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:08,400
difference between lust, attraction and attachment and why those things are different from love.

645
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,640
Okay, there's, and it gets into chemistry, which is interesting because I think how many

646
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,680
times when we're talking about relationships, we use the term chemistry.

647
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,640
You know, we have great chemistry.

648
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,080
You know, there's a bond.

649
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,000
Well, bonding is a chemical reaction.

650
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Right.

651
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,240
So there's a hierarchy to these things and it takes just a minute to explain.

652
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:27,600
Lust is like a mixture.

653
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,480
That's where stuff is combined.

654
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,480
No bonding occurs.

655
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,080
You know, lust, lust is driven by the limbic system and it's part of the evolutionary drive

656
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,080
to reproduce.

657
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,080
It's a biological imperative.

658
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,080
Right.

659
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,560
You know, there's funny thing about lust, activity in the prefrontal cortex of the brain

660
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,800
is repressed and that's the brain's center for rational thinking, for moral behavior,

661
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,720
for considering consequences.

662
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:55,120
And that's why lust isn't just distinct from love, but it's also pretty famously distance

663
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,560
from any kind of reason or good judgment.

664
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,560
Sure.

665
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,640
Attraction is different in chemistry.

666
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,280
We'd call it an ionic bond.

667
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,880
That's where atoms are drawn together.

668
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,120
They sort of donate their, they're outermost electrons, but they don't really share them.

669
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,360
It's like they get close, but they're not really committed.

670
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,360
Right.

671
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,760
So attraction is a sort of slow burn lust, a mutual lust.

672
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,920
Attraction gets you into the room, but it doesn't tell you anything about whether you

673
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,320
can stay there.

674
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,640
And the neurological response is to it or, you know, there's a release of neuroepinephrine,

675
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:35,400
adrenaline, serotonin, and it's similar to our physiological reactions to threat or terror.

676
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,000
But the difference physiologically is that there's a splash dopamine in there and dopamine

677
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,760
is what gives that sense of euphoria.

678
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,720
When we do things that feel good, like spending time with people we love, having sex, eating

679
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:46,920
chocolate.

680
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,800
And maybe I shouldn't say that, but anyone ever asks you if you want to combine all those

681
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,520
things, the answer is always yes.

682
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,520
Yes, yes.

683
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,520
I mean, yes.

684
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,360
The attachment is like a covalent bond in chemistry.

685
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,440
That's the strongest physical link.

686
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,160
That's when electrons are shared.

687
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,840
You know, we share a lot between each other when we're attached to one another.

688
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,400
And that's why those bonds become almost inseparable, but those are all lust attraction

689
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,720
attachment or all physical and physiological responses.

690
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:22,800
They're often encountered alongside love, but they're measurable.

691
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,880
You know, all those neurotransmitters and hormones, they're measurable.

692
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:31,160
And that's why people that study clinicians who study love tend to conflate it or confuse

693
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:36,120
it with those things because what they're looking for are things that are quantifiable, things

694
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,720
that are measurable.

695
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:44,920
Love is, you know, this incredible mix of memory and imagination and emotion and, you know,

696
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:51,840
the thought and this sort of holistic blend that can't be measured or quantified.

697
00:39:51,840 --> 00:40:00,080
So researchers are materialistic researchers are doomed to never be able to find the answer

698
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,880
thereafter because they're looking in the wrong space.

699
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:10,280
I mean, that's kind of the story of our life.

700
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:19,480
Wow, I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes, where's the book?

701
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,480
Hopefully soon.

702
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,920
I just got the forward from Dr. Alexander.

703
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,640
So I'm in the process of looking for literary agents now.

704
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,240
So if any of our lits name my line is open.

705
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:31,240
Yeah.

706
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:32,240
Well, you heard it here.

707
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:38,440
If you are a literary agent and you want a book all about the truth about love, Scott is

708
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,440
the main ego too.

709
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,440
And we'll get that.

710
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,360
We'll definitely get you connected.

711
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,520
Well folks, that is where we are going to pause things today.

712
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:53,240
And yes, I said pause, not stop because this conversation was so rich, so layered and honestly

713
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:58,200
so hard to walk away from that we made the decision to give it the times I deserve and

714
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,320
split it into two parts.

715
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,160
In part one today, Scott took us on the road with him unpacked why no two people in thousands

716
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:11,000
of recorded interviews have ever defined love the same way made a compelling case for why

717
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:17,280
love is not an emotion, not a chemical reaction and not an evolutionary adaptation and walked

718
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,040
us through what he calls aeroplasticity.

719
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:26,400
The idea that love persists beyond its objects, even through grief.

720
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,480
But we are just getting warmed up.

721
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Part two drops this coming Tuesday and let's just say the conversation takes a turn that

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we did not see coming at all when we first sat down to talk to him.

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Be on a lookout for it.

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This is not one you're going to want to miss because we saved some of the best for last.

725
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Trust me, you're not going to want to miss it.

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Until then, keep questioning, keep searching and above all, keep loving out loud.

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Take care.

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Let's see how you want to enjoy the next video!

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