A Journey Through the Edgar Cayce Archives - LIVE

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My name is Will and I'm Garen, and unlike moulderin Scully, both want

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to believe. So we've embarked in
a journey of discovery. We've talked to

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people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
metaphysical world. We've thrown ourselves into weird

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and wonderful experiences. I even joined
a coven of witches and wait, you

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joined a coven yep, all in
the interest of finding something, anything,

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that will prove that there's something beyond
this physical, three dimensional world we all

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live in. This is the Skeptic
Metaphysicians. This episode of The Skeptic Metaphysicians

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was recorded live at the Edgar Casey
AAR. Welcome to New Awakenings with Edgar

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Casey's AAR. We're together through some
incredible conversations. We go on beautiful journeys

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of discovery that might shape the way
you think about things and could just change

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your life. We are your hosts, Karen and Will, and today we

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have a very special treat for you
because you see, deep in the bowels

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of the Edgar Casey's are there lies
a crypt that's full of mysterious items that

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are connected to the historic Edgar Casey. Well, it's not exactly like that,

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but it's close, but not exactly
like that. And here to clarify

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it all for us is the director
of Historic Preservation for the Edgar Casey Foundation,

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Jessica Noul. Jessica, welcome to
the show. Thank you so much

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for having me the pleasures I have
you now, Jessica. When I think

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of archivists and things like that,
things that you do, what comes to

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mind is Nicholas Cage, National Treasure
or Indiana Jones. Right, Hollywood tends

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to romanticize a lot of these things. So let's set the record straight.

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What exactly is it that you do
here at the Foundation. I gotta say

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National Treasure was very formative in my
younger years. Is that would like you

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know, move the needle, yes, Abygil Chase, the archivist. Yes,

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it's very, very influential I think
in my upbringing. You know what,

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this just made the interview so much
better that in your shoes, I

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love you so Yes. So the
Edgar Casey Foundation, it is the archives

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that preserve the history of Edgar Casey
and his psychic work in particular. So

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we were founded in nineteen forty eight. The are came about in nineteen thirty

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one, and so the are's Board
of trustees voted to form an organization that

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would be specifically designated to preserve the
k C readings, to organize them,

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and to make them available for research. So since nineteen forty eight we have

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been the custodians of that information.
It has grown to be more of a

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history of the entire organizations as well
as personal papers of the k Cy family

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and early influential ARE members. So
there's a wide breadth of information that we

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have reserved there. Well, it's
not quite a crypt like Will was describing

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where do you keep all of this
stuff? But it would have been cool

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if it was. It is still
cool, aesthetic would be on point.

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We actually are in the lower floor
of the d'laski Education Center here on campus,

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where we have the office, reading
room and also the archive storage area

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where the readings and our entire collection
is housed. Now it is in a

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preservation environment, so we want to
make sure that all of these treasures will

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be around for many years to come. So we keep the archival storage room

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at sixty four degrees. We monitor
the humidity, we have a fire suppression

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system. It's in case and then
all of the material is housed in archival

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boxes on movable powdered coated shelving,
so we have the most stable environment that

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we can make down there. It
is like the news I've seen it.

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There's like it's like a vault and
there's like the things that you twist in

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the walls that moves very cool.
So it does come to mind like the

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Indiana Jones and the very first movie, the Rasual of the Lost Arc at

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the very end when they're wheeling that
box into that not quite that way different,

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everything's like file a way like that
that, like how close is it

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to that that been? On a
much smaller side, stuff do you have?

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I'll take you, I'll take you, yeah, so yeah, good

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question. How much does that?
Yeah? So I would say we have

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about four hundred linear feet of material
and that is all different kinds, so

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from papers to books, artifacts,
blueprints, a lot of audio visual so

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film canisters wheeled to real tapes.
Basically every format of recording in the twentieth

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century we have in some form,
and I've seen some of the machines.

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I was lucky I get to go
into the vaults. What very important,

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but there were just some kind of
funky looking machines that were like, I

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don't know, prototypes, like,
what are some of those funky looking machines.

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That's technical torture devices, not quite
probably the opposite of that, healing

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healing devices. Yeah. Yeah,
So we have several prototypes of what are

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called appliances of machines that were recommended
by the readings to help with a certain

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illness. So we have violet ray
machines, which the design was around,

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not in exactly the readings themselves,
but it was used in the medical operations

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of the time. And then we
also have etheronic machines and prototypes of oroscopes

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to see auras that specifically comes from
the read the readings. Yes, so

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you took the readings and you made
blueprints out of them. You made prototypes

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out of them from the blueprints inside
the readings. Right, So people throughout

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history of this work were very interested
in those sets of readings, and they

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build the prototypes and we're good enough
to donate them to us for our collection.

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I love how smart she thinks we
actually like etheronic machine. What is

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that? Like? We know,
you know eic machine. Sure, what

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is an ethnic machine? Yeah?
So the theory behind them is you're working

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with the natural energy of your body
and balancing it to to help with your

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health. It's super cool. But
why is it in a vault? Why

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is it not out for people to
use or to duplicate or to mass produce.

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Is in this stuff that could be
useful to humanity? It is,

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and that is why we are open
for researchers, and so I have had

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people come. We're opened by appointment
and they can actually come view the machines

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in our reading room, take all
the notes the need photograph. So that's

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why the archive exists. It's not
just for preservation, but the whole point

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of preservation is that we can share
those items in that material God, and

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they have to be in that temperature
and you're preserved. Otherwise, you know,

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they can deteriorate. And I know
I've seen some paintings down there no

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one thing that I've seen. I
think, you know what, I might

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be asking special books And you open
the box and inside there's a hand.

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Is it? What? A hand? Is a hand? Yes? Hand?

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Yes? So like our human hand
we do yes, what There's not

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a ton of provenants for it,
so it is a mummified hand. From

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Egypt that was donated to the archive
several decades ago, and so we're actually

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planning on what is the most appropriate
thing to do with this because it's it's

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human remains, So we're looking into
can we repatriated back to Egypt? Can

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we work with universities connected with the
Egyptian scientists and archaeologists. So we want

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to make sure that we're being a
good steward of that because in our archive

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it's not being used to its full
potential as an educational tool. Sure,

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we're working to see what is the
most appropriate thing to do. So this

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might not make the final edit of
the show, but I'm going to ask

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how was it like who donated donated
it here? And why would they think

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that, hey, let's give them
a hand. Hey maybe they wanted to

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help them. I think the connection
with the egypt material and the reading.

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So you mentioned the vault being open, the archives archives, what's how do

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you? I tend to call it
archives, that's just me, but I

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know historically that's it's been them.
So the vault containing the archives, you

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mentioned that it was open for researchers
to come by appointment. So if you're

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not a researcher, but you wanted
to see the hand. For example,

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is it and the machine the machine
than the hand. Would you be able

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to make an appointment to come in
just anyone off the suite or is it

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specific to particular folks that were really
kind of limiting it to It can really

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be anyone. It's interested in being
the material, right, So I thought

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I was so special or special because
you got to see it before I do.

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Yeah, So it'd be either calling
the archives sending me an email.

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If you want to look at something
specific, it's really great to contact me

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beforehand. For instance, we have
graduate students I've had come in with the

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collections, and so we have online
a catalog of everything that is in the

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archive. So it's great that they
can come to me say I'm interested in

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this topic where I have a few
research questions I want to answer. I

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can then go look at the archive. He's my judgment. They're looking for

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a specific thing. Maybe they know
the box numbers that they want. Maybe

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I know something that's relevant to their
research question that they even know that they

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want to look at. Wow,
So then I can prepare so when they

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arrive they have all the materials laid
out and then we have a conversation and

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it's very much a dialogue between the
archivist and the research or to make sure

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that they're getting the information that they
need. Is that's really cool? That

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is really I think it's I think
it's wonderful that anybody can come and you

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know, make an appointment and see
it. So it's not I mean,

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it's like cool and kind of secret, but but it's accessible to everyone.

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It's an open secret Indiana Jones Bolts, for sure, it is not.

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No, you don't have to like
push aside any like rolling balls of doom

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and you know, it's just bring
it back of sand. So we'll make

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it a switch. Now. Uh, you have another incredible area here at

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the are that is world renowned and
that is your library. And I I

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D tell us a little bit.
Why is this library so famous? It's

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incredible. Yeah, So our library
here at the are has existed ever since

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the area has existed basically wow,
and even a little bit beforehand. So

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originally the library collection belonged to Atlantic
University now its first incarnation in the late

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nineteen twenties to nineteen thirty one.
So AGU and the Hasey Hospital there's operating

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the time they were working together.
So there's this small library there for use

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of people visiting hospital, of people
in Shod Edgar Casey's work, and the

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AU students, and so that collection
grew over the years. M So the

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topics cover everything in the readings,
So all of those core concepts body,

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mind, spirit. The library is
where you go to find the information to

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put these concepts into practice in your
own life. So we house not only

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medical information, right, So you
can read the readings, you can get

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the context of what Edgar was talking
about. So we have books that are

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concurrent with that time period, so
you can kind of make a comparison between

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then and now, and then also
what are the advancements in medical science since

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that time that you can apply.
Wow, not only just the medical but

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also we have represented all of the
wisdom traditions of the world. Right.

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So you're on your spiritual path,
We're here to guide you to find your

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own path, right. So the
library is a great way to explore different

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spiritualities, different faith traditions and kind
of get a better idea of where you

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want to move forward. Right.
And when you come in and you walk

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around, you see this one area
where you see there's like a couch where

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he Edgar used to do his readings. I called mister Casey. I was

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just you know, she called Edgar. You know I've seen the hand.

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But there's this wall full of all
these brown volumes. What exactly are those?

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So those are hard copies of all
of the readings. So when you

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come to the Arie Library, we
have a readings research area where you can

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go and look up any reading we
have adjacent to the wall of around binders

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World. The Readings is a card
catalog and that catalog was started by Gladys

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Davis Turner, Edgar Casey's stenographer,
secretary founder of the Edgar Casey Foundation Archive,

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with her team and so starting in
nineteen forty nine she was categorizing,

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organizing, indexing all of the readings. It took her from nineteen forty nine

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to nineteen seventy one. That's a
job for her and her team to complete

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this project. Wow. So that
is the for the library patient to use,

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and that was used for the online
database that the are has as part

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of membership. So with the readings, they're transcribed and they also have a

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search engine. So that is all
based on her work over those decades.

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That's a lot of work. That
is a lot of work. Is there

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a difference between what's in those volumes? And then there's the file like the

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big filing cabinets I think is that
just medical the filing cabinets. Yeah,

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the filing cabinets have what we call
circulating files, and so they're extracts from

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the reading on particular topics. So
it's a great way to get started.

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If you're interested in something very specific, you can go to that circulating file

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and it gives you a great overview
of everything that was said on that topic

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in the readings. Oh wow,
that is a lot of work. Go

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Gladys, Holy cow. Yeah,
And back to the couch. That is

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the original couch, right that Edgar
Casey would go into trance and Gladys would

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take notes as he was speaking,
and that's where the readings came from.

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So you can actually now you can't
sit on it, so you can come

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and look at it if you're interested
in that kind of historical artifact. It's

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not in the vault. It's actually
fully available to be looked at at the

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library, which is very very cool. And then so do you have the

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original works in the vault. Yes, so overview the Edgar Casey readings new

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archive. So when Edgar would give
a reading, Gladys would transcribe in hand

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in her sonographer's notebook, she would
transcribe her notes into a clean copy.

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She'd make a carbon of that,
so the recipient of the reading would get

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that original transcribed copy, and then
Gladys would keep the carbon. So what

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we have are the carbons. Also
any and all correspondence between Edgar Casey and

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that reading recipient, so any letters, photographs, any sort of communication between

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the two cloud has kept all of
it. Wow. So each person has

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a case file numbered with their particular
number, so their reading is in there.

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Sometimes people donated those transcripts back to
us as well. And yeah,

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letters, postcards, photographs, X
rays, anything that sent between we have

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in those files. I say,
the excitement that comes out when you talk

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about these things is contagious. You
really love what you do and you can

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really feel it's that's amazing. So
I'm really feeling that, Yeah, I'm

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going to have the expanse of knowledge. You look too young to have this

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knowledge in your head. It really
is something that gets absorbed over time.

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Once you're working with the material,
especially, so processing an archival collection,

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you have to know everything that is
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who these people are, whose letters
you're reading, whose documents you're preserving,

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because that helps you become a better
archivist and to be able to help those

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people that are coming to you for
research. So when you're reading that stuff

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day after day, you kind of
really get to know people. Not really,

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you don't know them as if you
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but you kind of get to know
their documentary well. And also you're kind

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of learning about their medical history,
so you're really learning about these people.

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A lot of them are no longer
here, but on that kind of deeply

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personal level, which is really really
interesting. It's like a really intimate kind

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of almost like a time machine,
so you get to meet them from through

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a time machine. That's kind of
cool. And with all of this material

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that they have them started to think
it is more and more like the Indiana

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Jones at the that's a lot of
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One last question about the library.
Can you go and check out the

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books or do you like all of
them? Even the brown volumes? Can

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you check those out? Or are
those just to look at their and so

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the brown volumes of the readings,
they're there for reference. But we do

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have a circulation collection and so you're
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a member or if you live in
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a community card option, So we
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to the community around us that we
can be. And we also have ebooks

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online, so ebooks and audio books
that correspond to the subjects in our collection,

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and they're the same available in the
same way. Now, when you

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mentioned Hampton Roads for those of the
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mean that's the Virginia Beach area or
do you include the all the seven

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cities in this area? We include
all the seven cities. Oh wow,

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okay, that's fantastic. That is
great. So if you are in the

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area and you want to have access
to this, come talk to Jessica shall

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hook you up for sure. Absolutely, a lot of the a lot of

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the reference books, the readings and
things like that are written in It was

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a long time ago, so that
the English was different than the English that

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we used. Now, is there
some way to understand it better? Is

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there a translation that's being brought about. Is there someone like me who can't

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read that different? Is it that
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it's not like Old English. It
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thous you have. Absolutely, Yeah, it does take some getting used to

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the verbiage used in the readings.
It's I kind of like to think about

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if you remember in school reading Shakespeare
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time for your mind to get in
that zone. Yeah, I'm still waiting

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for that point. Just watch some
period movies. No I can't, and

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then tell read this up. Yeah. Yeah, So that's how I like

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to think about it. But also
in the library, there's lots of secondary

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sources, right, so there are
people interpreting the readings, writing about topics.

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So I always recommend try to go
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kind of get a better idea of
what's being spoken about in the readings,

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and then you can go back to
that original study the two and kind

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of get a fuller understanding. Right. So it is a commitment. You

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really need to be interested in this
topic to really kind of go down this

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rabbit hole, because there is a
time commitment that comes to it to fully

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truly absorb and understand the material,
which is incredibly beneficial when you take the

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time to do it. But like
anything that's worthwhile, the effort is worth

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the effort different the result is worth
it. Thank you, That's what I

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said it. But all right,
I am so excited to visit you in

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the archives, the vault. We've
been the library. I love it.

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We spend many hours in that library
to get in there a the time the

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same way. Yeah, she's thirteen
and she's like, you know, we

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got to pull her out. Yes, And every type of topic from everything

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from UFOs to religion to you name
it, it is in there, and

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it is It's a rabbit hole that
I get lost in all the time.

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I can only imagine how much better
the vault would be. So I'm going

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to have to reach out to you, but we are out of time.

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But we really really appreciate you coming
and telling us, I mean, sharing

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of the energies that you have for
this archive that you so lovingly cater to.

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So thank you so much for coming
and talking to us. Thank you

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both, and I'm very excited to
share more of the archive and library with

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people. Come to visit. Thank
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actually i'd be remiss if someone wanted
to reach out to you. What's the

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best way for them to do that? Best way would be through email,

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So it would be ECF at Edgar
Kase dot org and that'll come straight to

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me and we'll be able to set
up appointment. Wonderful and that's for Edgar

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Casey Foundation. Well, you will
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