Breathwork Detox for Spiritual Awakening: 1 Session That Could Change Everything

0:00 Karen, Yes, I've got a quick question for you. I've got a quick answer. I doubt it. When you hear the words breath work, yes, do you picture something like profound and transformational or do you picture a group of adults huffing like they're trying to blow up an air mattress before passing. Out somewhere in between? Actually, because apparently we've been doing it wrong, oh like really wrong, really yep, to the point. That today, do you know how I do my breathwork? To the point that today's guest has built an entire life calling us out for it. Oh. His name is Curtis Lee Thomas, and he claims he can help us detox our anxiety, our trauma, our emotional baggage, and probably whatever's been living rent free in our heads since middle school using nothing but breathing.

0:49 That would be very. Helpful, alsolutely, Now, before you roll your eyes, Karen, and yes, I saw that this guy didn't just do the YouTube yoga guru thing. He's the guy that companies like NASA and Nike call when their people are breaking down. Wow, the guy that the Today Show puts on when America's stress levels are melting the grid. This is the guy who literally turned take a Breath into a global mental health movement. So today we're about to find out if breath where detox is transformational healing or just really expensive hyperenilating. But he the way, we're breathing through it together, so let's see what happens. Welcome to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. My name is Will and I'm garous, and unlike moulderin Scully.

1:37 Both want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a coven of. Witches and wait, you joined a coven? Yep, all the interests of finding something, anything that will prove that there's something beyond this physical. Three dimensional world we all live in. This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Yes, hey, there's Will just stepping in here for a second to ask you for a favor. See, the main reason we do this show is to help others in their spiritual awakening. And nothing makes us happier than to hear or read messages from those that are resonating with the messages we're sharing on the show. So if you have a moment, we'd love for you to contribute to the show by heading to Skeptic Metaphysician dot com and sending us a voicemail or an email from our website. Karen and I love hearing from those that are moved to message us. It truly does fuel our passion. You are the reason we do this show, and knowing what you like and don't like, that's going to help us craft the very best show we can so that we can help raise the vibration of the planet together. Okay, I've kept you from the interview long enough, so let's get too it. Thanks for listening. There, I'm Will and I'm welcome back to an oxygen stealing, nervous system rewiring, trauma detoxifying episode of The Skeptic of Physicians.

3:08 Today we welcome Curtis Lee Thomas, the founder of the fast rising modality Breathwork detox, corporate mindfulness trainer, chair of the Just Breathe Foundation, and number one international best selling author of the World Is Yours, The Secrets behind the Secret and how to thrive in the Age of anxiety. Curtis has been featured on The Today's Show, worked with giants like Nike and NASA, and guided thousands through a single session transformation, releasing trauma, dissolving anxiety and emotional blocks, and tapping into deeper clarity, peace and purpose. This isn't your casual sit and breathe segment. Curtis is here to show us how to actually detox our mental wiring fast and rise into aligned, awakened living. Please welcome Curtis Lee Thomas to the show. Curtis is such a pleasure to have you here with us today.

4:00 All right, thank you for having me. Appreciate it. Yeah, so, bat, I gotta just let you and the entire audience know I am battling about of bronchitis. So if my voice sounds weird to you, you know what's happening. I didn't want you to think. I was just like, maybe the breath work can help you. I don't know I could do anything in a breath work right now. I tried to do a breath and I'll be coughing for an hour or two, so you never know, right, So let's just get right down to her. Curtis, how is it possible. It's just breathing can do all the magical things that I just talked about in the intro. Yeah, first of all, I get it because I'm super skeptical Capricorn to myself, and it's such an unassuming thing that we all do and we take for granted. And even when I had my big experience which we can get into, and I healed a condition where I was suffering for five years. After I was healed, it took me three days to wrap my head around how the heck that was even possible. And it was just because I've done so many different things, you know, modalities, you know, Western medicine, Eastern medicine, plant medicines, you name it. And a breathing technique, a little silly, stupid breathing technique was so profound it healed me and it also did all these other things. I couldn't believe it. And you know, it's just the cosmic giggle that the Kingdom of Heaven is within us and we have all the answers inside of us. And yeah, man, it was just it's true.

5:27 It's just just so it's wild. It's wild. So how long did it take you to heal yourself. What are we talking in just one day or like months or. So five years. If suffered from a stomach condition where doctors couldn't tell me what was wrong with me, They couldn't diagnose me, never mind heal me. And I did all these crazy tests and you know, all these different modalities, and then I found this one ancient breathing technique. I was told, you know, do this and that and whatever. I was desperate. So when you're in desperation, you're willing to try a new thing. And one session eradicated my stomach condition. One session. Yeah, wow, And I can explain why that is, which I didn't find out the act, you know. So my issue was I had blocked energy in my stomach, right, trapped energy emotions And a lot of people actually do carry emotions in their stomach, and that's why we gain weight because we store emotions there and on a subconscious level, we're going through things. People gain weight there, but it's really to hide their vulnerability, right, because we know that's where we store our emotions. So I had emotions that were stuck there, and this particular breathing technique completely opened up my diaphragm and was able to move that energy out. And once that did, like it increased my parastalsis and inside my stomach, increased my gut motility, Like everything became back online and I felt like I was me again. And you know, even like my IQ went up, I didn't realize, you know how

6:59 dumb I was during this. You know, I was like I couldn't put like they couldn't even put words together, you know, was procrastinating. And there's a thing called a gut brain connection, and the two are very much connected to one another. And when I was able to move that energy, and that's sort of felt. The best way I can say is like I'm back online. All right, So this is not the best audience. Well, no, it is, okay. So hot topic these days, at least for me and for my peers is menopause and we have all of these crazy physical side effects and emotional side effects because of our estrogen. It's your hormones get depleted, but we store a lot of that in the fat and our hips. So is doing this technique something that could help with those symptoms or those side effects that people have.

7:51 Yeah, I'll say, first of all, I'm not a menopause expert. So right, No, yeah, I'm just you know, just like triggered man, like the hips. But yes, because energy is energy, right, there's a matter where it came from, what traumat was. When we store energy in certain places, you know, it does a few things. One it does wreak havoc on our nervous system because if it stays there, then it starts to accumulate, then it starts to get compounded. And what I realize is that, you know, the soul always wants to be present, and the mind always wants to think into the future, but the body holds onto the past. The body is a living library of all of our past experiences, which is why they say the body keeps score. So we'll accumulate these things until we're taught how to let them go.

8:37 And that's the problem with I guess, let's say our generation is that we're taught so well to consume, consume, consume, consume, But what about release, let go? And what I realized from writing my first book on manifesting in the Laws of the Universe and Larb of Attraction, is that the most powerful exercise for manifesting is actually letting go, because you have to let go before you let in, and we are spiritually constipated with all these things from past breakups, pass situationships, you know, failures, you know, all these things when we haven't learned to process them, even things from childhood we didn't have the emotional intelligence to process getting pushed off the swing or not picked in dodgeball, you know.

9:24 And then life comes in. Now we got you know, businesses and bankruptcy and kids and like, it just keeps piling on, and you know, we'll hold on to that stuff if the mind doesn't know how to process it, and that's when it accumulates. Now it has nothing to do with weight, because sometimes the weight you need to lose isn't on your physical body. You know, you can't really you know, feel it, but you do feel it when you release it and let go, because sometimes it's not the weight of the baggage, it's how you carry it. The issue is as men, we learn to carry it well because we need to be providers, need to be entrepreneurs, we need to be masculine. And women learn to carry it well because they need to be mama bears. They need to take care of the kids. And a lot of women are doing that and still in jobs and still all doing all these things. So it's so much pressure to show up where we don't really look in and see what is the stuff I'm holding on too and not letting go of, you know, until you release it.

10:22 That's when you know you're carrying it. So you're like a cosmic xlax is what you're saying. Wow, I like that. That's a T shirt. All right. So I'm hearing everything you're saying and it sounds amazing. But Curtis, I breathe all the time. I do it all the time. I mean not all the time sleep except when I'm. Sleeping, but other than that, I sleep, I sleep. I as Freudian slipped there. I breathe all the time, and my problems are still not going away. So you're not doing it right, right, So so this is going to be a specific type of breath work that allows you to clear all this stuff. Like what makes this different?

11:13 Well, you're right, and that's why nobody believes me when I say breathe this, try this technique. It's going to change your life. They're like, what do you mean? That's like saying, you know, hey, come take a walk with me. This walk is going to be life changing, right, it's so hard. But trying to describe what this particular technique can do is like trying to describe a kaleidoscope to a blind person. Right, It's impossible. It's it can It's something that can only be experienced, not explained. So that's why people need to go through experience. Now to answer your question, Yeah, I get it. We've all been breathing all along. So when you tell someone to do something, they're already doing. Well, how is this thing I'm already doing going to change you know my situation? It's the technique, right, it's it's it's it's how you do it, how long you do it. And I will say this first of all, breathwork is an umbrella term, just like yoga, many forms of yoga, y in yoga, fire yoga, kundalini yoga. There's many forms of breathing and different techniques. Now, the one that I specialize in is deep, direfragmatic breathwork, which is breathwork detox right, all about detoxing, and that is done through the mouth, in through the mouth, out through the mouth.

12:25 Now we'll say this ninety nine point nine percent of the time we should be breathing through our nose. We shouldn't be breathing through our mouth. However, you cannot achieve what we achieve by nose breathing. Look at the mouth as a as a an energetic exodus portal where you release. That is the body's natural way to release. It's not through the nose. So if you pay attention to the bodies, when the body, let's say, gets pent up with stress, emotion, pain, the body will go like this. It'll build, they'll build, they'll build and build, and then the pressure release valve is this ah, it's a I of relief. It's the body relieving itself of pent up stress, and it does it through the mouth. It doesn't do it through the nose.

13:08 So when you kind of hack into that system and consciously do this exercise of mouth breathing deep into the diaphragm and releasing, you not just release pent up stress, but then as you keep going, you release storage stress and storage trauma and unresolved the motions. You start going down the layers, which is why I don't know. I'd say about at least fifty to sixty percent of all the people who do this technique and go through this experience, have cathartic releases and end up crying. And it doesn't matter who who it is. I've done this for the most masculine men on the planet, war veterans, Navy seals, NFL athletes, you name it, prison inmates, and they all release, they all cry, they all purge in some way, shape or form.

13:53 Wow. Wow, is this when you're going through this experience really with these people or with the client? Is it something that they have to do for hours or do you have to practice doing it? Is it? Is it difficult? Yeah? So I like to warm up the diaphragm now when people always ask me, like how long are we going to do this for? And I always say it's going to be over before you know it, because I don't want the conscience by getting involved. But typically it's around twenty eight minutes of breathwork. So you're doing this technique for twenty eight minutes and you're literally going through all different trance states and you're going through this beautiful journey, and you know, after twenty eight minutes, then we go into rest relaxation, and then we go into integration, and then we go into grounding. So it is an experience.

14:47 Ninety minutes are the events I do. I host them every new moon, every full moon, so exactly two weeks apart. And it's a ninety minute experience. And I spend the first twenty minutes of orientation, which is probably the most important. The techniques so simple, but if you don't understand what's going to happen in this process, you will sabotage your experience because the body's going to start doing some things. You're gonna be like, oh my god, is this normal? And you know, and I have to let them know that, hey, these are the things is going to happen, just so it doesn't freak you out. You know, people get numbness and tingling and technany and like all these things. And you know, once they were we remove those triggers, then they're allow themselves to surrender to the experience and have a you know, a full on, you know session.

15:35 So this is not like Windhoff, right, This is very different than the wind Haff breathing. Method or whatever. Is there any danger of hyperventilating or causing yourself to do some damage? Yeah, depending on how many blocks people have in their you know, diaphragm and in their respiratory system, they could make themselves ventilate. But with our technique, what we do is we make sure that they're breathing deep down into the belly first before breathing into the chest. And what that does is it offsets the stress trigger that would cause the hyperventilation. So when you're actually breathing deep down into the belly into the chest, you're stimulating that vagus nerve, which will calm you. Even though the purpose of this isn't to bring to do it in parasympathetic, we're actually going into the sympathetic nervous system because that's where all the stored stresses, the traumas and whatnot. And we want to go into that sympathetic nervous system, clear all the junk out, and then once we exhaust that sympathetic nervous system, the body boop goes right into parasympathetic. And why people feel so calm and rested and at peace.

16:49 Now, I know that you've done ayahuasca trips and things like that, So the types of questions I'm about to ask you probably are going to throw you. Most of the people who listen to our show, or you know what kind of questions I'm gonna be asking. There was a we tried a type of breath work while back, we had them on the show. Karen did it with them, and she had an incredible experience, to the point where she actually saw herself above her body. These types of this type of breath work a top on top of detoxing physical ailments and things like emotional ailments. Is this possible to use for some sort of spiritual awakening? Also? Is it really specifically for healing as a healing with Dowling.

17:31 Yeah, I mean people, I've you know, I've been lucky enough to hear so many stories. You know, I've done this for tens of thousands of people in twenty seven countries, and virtual really allowed us to blow that up. And I can't tell you the amount of stories that I've heard of spiritual awakenings and Kundalini awakenings, and you know, and when I do physical events, you know, I can see that people having Kundalini experiences right there, their heads will go up like this, and it's it's move and energy and their spine. They start making these like weird movements and their Kundlini movements. It's the body, the Kundalini energy moving the body and these certain moments and these certain movements sorry to move out blockages. And you know, some people become who aren't even spiritual at all. That's like, I've done this for engineers, rocket scientists like and then you see their kunin and they're like, what is going on?

18:23 They're like I like it, you know, so you know, and then all of a sudden, someone who's completely closed off from that spiritual world, they become, you know, Claire sentient, Claire audience clairvoyant, you know, Claire cognizant, and they're getting messages that's coming in, they're having visions and you know, they don't they're not those type of people, and it makes them become believers. Sometimes it triggers their own spiritual awakening. And what I love is just triggering their curiosity to go down a rabbit hole. I don't care which one it is, just just go down some because it's going to lead you to some more. So Yeah, the answer is yes, man, I've seen some what people would call miracles. I stopped calling America because I've seen so many, like instantaneous healings and some pretty cool stories around that too, Okay, So.

19:06 You know, I gotta trush you, pruss you on those stories. What kind of results have you seen? Like, what's the thing that has happened that has blown your mind the most? That takes a lot, but I will say one that the one. Yeah, there is one that I was like, whoa that? Now that I'm gonna remember that one forever. So there was this couple that came to an event I was in Rhode Island and one person, this is typical, dragged the other friend there. Now they're both going through things, but they're not communicating, and one of the girls actually got diagnosed with cancer, some sort of tumor, cancerous tumor, and she didn't tell a soul and she was keeping it in because she didn't want people to feel sorry for her. So she just was going through the journey by herself and her friend who was also in the breathwork.

19:55 When there, when they're doing the active breathwork, all of a sudden, her friend a guy visits her. Now, mind you, she's not clairvoyant or any of that stuff. She sees a male figure and she's like, you know, who the heck are you? Like this is a telepathic communication and she's saying, you know, this is my daughter and she is struggling with cancer and she's not telling anybody. And the girl's like, oh my god, like this is this really is real? Is this happening? And then she's like and he's like yeah, and she's like, oh, you can hear me. He's like she's like, he's like yeah. He's like, oh my god. She's like, but don't worry, she's going to be okay, just watch and you'll see. And then he went away. So anyways, the other girls sitting there and her message is I need to tell someone about this.

20:41 I can't go through this alone anymore. So anyways, they come out of the session and they're both like, I got to tell you something. The other one's like, no, I got to tell you something. No, I got to tell you something. And they're going back and forth, okay, and one girl's like, I have cancer and the other girl's like yeah no, she's like, no, you don't. I didn't tell no one. What are you talking about. She's like no, no, no, I know. She's like, some guy just came to me and said that it was your father and he told me that you have cancer. And she's like what. She starts breaking down crying. She's like, my dad passed away, you know whatever, a couple of months ago, and blah blah blah. He said, yeah, but it's okay. He said that you're gonna be fine, just watch and see. So anyways, they're just going back and forth and they hugging each other. Anyways, the girl goes back home that night and I don't know how this happened, but her tumor ended up in the toilet and she healed and no longer has cancer or any kid out of here.

21:32 That story was probably the one that I was like, because this is just so many parts to it, and I think that's one of my favorite. Wow, gosh, so many different directions to go into. You got a question I do. I'm hogging a conversation here. You are, so you have in a someone will go and, like the thing in Rhode Island, they have this experience with you after that when they go home, is it safe to practice the US on your own or do you need someone there to help guide you through the experience. I'll say this with breathwork. We're just breathing. M That's what I was saying. It's just breathing. Yeah, it is just breathing. You know, no one has died from breathing, but there's been a lot of people who have died from not breathing.

22:22 And in fact, I would say everyone who died is not breathing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now there's people who have, like, you know, who should be more cautionous. You know, if you just had a heart attack or your heart surgery or epilepsy and things like that, could that can trigger episodes, That's the only thing. But I've done this so many people and I've seen it happen very little to none. You know, it's I've seen some things, but people who really know their medical history and know that they have you know, could trigger light. A light a bright light can trigger it, you know. So there's things like that you always have to be cautious of. But at the end of the day, we are just breathing. So can people do it at home? Yeah? Absolutely, Because this isn't like magic mushrooms or you know, DMT or things like that, where you take those and like you're on that journey and you're not getting off that journey until it's done. With this technique, is you're in control.

23:14 You know, you can speed up your rocket ship and go out as far into the cosmos and out of your body as you want, or you can breathe low and slow and kind of keep everything contained. But when people do sessions with me, you know, I push them a little past their comfort zone because it's past their comfort zone is where all the magic is. That's what the breakthrough is, because I say, hey, listen, if you want to have a breakthrough, you got to break through. You got to push through your zone into that other side. And on the other side of fear is the answers you've been seeking. It's not an ease through to break through. To clever. Oh thank you. So how did you come to discover this?

23:59 So it's when I was going through you know, all those things with my stomach, and it was actually through. It's interesting because I was in like Tibet, and I was in like Egypt and like all these like cool places, and you know, I remember traveling up you know, three hours up this mountain and talking to monks and caves and and whatnot. And when I went back to California. Is actually my massage therapist who who told me about breathwork. I'm like, man, I've met all over the world searching for grus and lots. You know. Yeah, she put she put me on and I that's where I had my first, uh my first session. Now you've taken what this this detox, but these breathing technique and you have apply because I know that you are a reiki master. I know that you have done all kinds of trip or journeys. I know that you bring in biochemical science, like a lot of things into to create this technique that you do. What how long did it take you to put it together first of all?

24:58 And then what what give you the motivation to bring it all together into the technique that you know now is breathwork detoks. Yeah, I felt like it was already being mapped out for me. I just didn't know because it started in twenty eleven and that's when I started really collecting the data of becoming certified life coach, hip the therapist, an LP practitioner, a reiki master, sports science fitness professional, literally collecting these pieces of paper. And it wasn't until I found breath work where I was like, oh my god. It was like eureka. I realized I was like, Wow, this is the only vehicle that can house all of my other experiences, skill sets, and certifications into one streamlined modality where I was able to synthesize all these other things into something that was so simple and so yet so profound, where I could take all this like, you know, some of that stuff's a little woo wu, some of it's a little taboo, and go into companies like Nike and NASA. I'd be like, hey, just breathing. But really, you know, it's like this concoction of like spirituality and a trojan horse, And that's why I love what I do.

26:09 And you know, I just put everything in the breathwork Detox and I'm like, I feel like this is going to be the most easy to translate meaning like not translate into fact, like this breathing is going to change your life, because that's hard, But it'd be the easiest to get somebody to try it because it's something they're already they've already been doing. That makes sense, right, Yeah, So pass like NASA and Nike and the Today Show all these kinds of things. These aren't really spiritual retweets, right, These are Fortune five hundred companies. These are these are organizations. That as mainstream as you get. The mainstream is scientific, right, it's how did you what happened inside them that made you reach out to you and say, Okay, Curtis, what do you got? We need to take a quick pause, but we'ld be right back right after these messages and now back to the show what happened inside them that made you reach out to you and say, okay, Curtis, what do you got?

27:10 Yeah, So the Nike one, there was actually a lady in one of my teacher trainings. So at one point I decided to stop doing one on ones and just switched to virtual and then started training teachers in the breathwork detox modality so they can create careers out of it or just learn it and bring it to their community. And I was doing a teacher training retreat and there was a lady in there who came up after the retreat was over and she's like, Hey, I would really love for you to come in my company and bring this to my employees. She said, we have a pretty big company. I was like, okay, yeah, cool, I'd love to what's your company? She's like Nike, And I was like, oh, I think I heard of them. Curtis, just do it. Yeah.

27:53 So yeah, we made it happen, and you know, the first event was like, you know, close to five hundred people and it was one of their most successful mindfulness events. We did a case study, We published a case study in both Bloomberg and Business Insider, and then once that got out, you know, it was really easy to get all the all the other ones. Sure, yeah, okay, so I'm curious. Obviously I can't do anything because if I breathe too hard, I'm going to have a coffee fit for an hour and a half. But is this something that you could show give you an idea of what a breathing technique would would feel like or look like. Yeah, so it's based off let's say the side like we showed earlier, right that that energetic exodus. You know, but if I was just show you the technique, it'd be a three part breath two pre two breaths in, one breath out. So what I do is I have people lighting on their back and they have put one hand on their belly and the other hand on their chest.

28:53 These are the two areas that they're going to be breathing into. Our first breath right now, here's the thing. You want your mouth open wider than what feels comfortable. So I say, hey, take your two knuckles. I put them in your mouth. This is not COVID friendly. You can put them in your right and then you let go. And that's how wid do you want it? Right? You don't want to be doing it with dose. That's like, you want that because that's going to make the perfect earway for the amount of kind of CO two and oxygen going in. And now, so you do your first breath about eighty percent in the belly right, so you can't see me right now, but if I go that all went into my belly, I already felt the energy move. And then now I fill it up twenty percent in my chest. Now I'm completely filled. And then the third step is you let it go. Now you don't hold on to it. You don't want to hold onto anything.

29:41 And I tell people, when they release that breath, release something else along with it that doesn't serve you. And you know you mastered the technique because even like the XAL, I'll see people like hold it on to it or pushing it out, and I'm like, hey, just think of it as a bow and arrow. Right. You take that arrow in the bow, right, and let's just say you go, it's time to shoot that arrow. Do you push the arrow out? No? No, let it go exactly if you pulled it back enough. All you gotta do is so the exhale is a release. So you're not pushing it out. You're not pushing it out, and as soon as you hit to the bottom of that release, you immediately go into the next inhale. There's no rest, there's no pause, there's no hesitation in between the breaths. And then what you're doing is you're flooding the body with oxygen, with energy, with life force, God energy, which is the breath, right, and you're building up for a big release towards the end.

30:33 And I just walked them through the entire experience. Gotcha, Wow, that's very cool. Yeah. It reminds me of when you're like sobbing, you're crying so hard, you know, like your body automatically does that. It makes sense. It sounds like our body has their own as its own intelligence that knows before west to it. We do need to this. So it's then you do that for an extended period of time, which then sends you on the trip. It's pretty easy to say that if everyone did this on a regular basis, the world would be a much better place. So then why aren't people aware of it or doing it more than they are?

31:18 That's what I was. Saying, Well, that's what he's here for. No, listen, this is the part that blew me away. It's like one of those situations like when you have a good idea and you're like, oh, this idea is so good, like somebody had to have come up with it before, right, and then you don't do anything about it. And then five years later you see someone else come up with it and you're like, well, you know, no one did come up with the idea. And but you know this has been around before spirituality. You know, this breath this is very very ancient. So when so I couldn't understand, like who else knows this exists? And as I started to talk to people, mind you, I'm in Los Angeles, and I started you know, there's everyone's a yoga teacher. So I talked to yogi's and they're like, I'm like, hey, I want you to try this breathing technique with me that I found and like, oh, I've been doing Pranayama for twenty years and I've try you know, I studied in Rishi cash with this guru and this, and then you know, I've got so many those people.

32:18 I was like, just just try it. And then I show them and they're like, oh my god, I didn't even know that existed, Holy crap. And then I just kept doing so many until the yoga teacher started saying, hey, can you teach me this? Can you can you train me in this? That's when I started teacher training. And then I had a really interesting experience. We had a cool breathwork at this guy's house. I don't know, it was like Robert Downey Junior's house. It wasn't his, he wasn't there, but it was his house and it's good enough for me. Yeah. Yeah. It was in the hills. It was really really cool, and there was a gentleman there by, doctor Jack Feldman, who is a neuroscientist specializing in breath work, and he's there. He's an older gentleman and he's been on the Huberman podcast. He's like an og when it comes to this. And you know, the guy who was putting it on, I was actually we were he was considering investing in the company, and he brought doctor Jack to kinda vet me out, and he's like, you know, so I'm like, oh, great, doctor Felt. You know, he's a terby a part, you know, pressure. Anyways, he goes through the experience. He's got a real like kind of stone cold look. He's a very serious fella. And he walks up to me afterwards and he was like, holy cow, He's like that was amazing. Wow. He goes, I need to learn everything about this. Can we grab lunch and da da da. So we became really cool, and you know, he's been sending me white papers and

33:48 all these studies and he actually we I took him to NASA with me. So he was in the NASA event with me, and he ran the board for all the scientists that could do Q and a's after words, and we uh through him. We brought doctor Helen Levetski, who's the top psychiatrist over at UCLA, and you know, it's great we actually having them on our in our community. We do these events till beyond in about two weeks sharing some new discoveries. So yeah, man, it's you know, it's it's pretty wild that it's people really don't know about it. And you know, doctor Jack, he's the he's the guy who discovered the mechanism in the brain that controls our breathing. Like it's it's wild. So you know it's I don't feel like I just I didn't invent this first and foremost. That's that's for sure, let's get that straight. However, there's a group of us who are reintroducing this natural, organic, very potent technique back into society, humanity, and I think that's what's happening right now.

34:50 Wow. So you mentioned doing this breathing, the sequence whatever you want to call it. Yeah, you mentioned that your events or the the time that you're breathing is for about a half give or take a little bit of like under a half hour. I would think with our break in between like you mentioned, I mean I might have a hard time with that. So is this I know you mentioned people who had heart attacks or things like that maybe not the best for But do you need to work your way into this or can you just jump in with both feet? Yeah? First of all, i'd say this tech like I like warming up the diaphragm. It's really not You're not running a marathon. You know this has nothing to do with physical fitness.

35:39 It might be more mental though, you know, because like. It's a mental thing. It's all about kind of spiritual willpower, mental toughness because the triggers in the brain red alarms. Stockle were you going out your comforts on the body's like, what's going on? And like, is why I spend twenty minutes in the beginning saying, Hey, these are the things that's gonna come up. You know you're gonna going to feel these things, and you know they they happened. Like I remember saying to one person, I was like, hey, well, I say to everybody, you know you're gonna feel tingling. And you know it could it could feel like this. I could feel like that. And there was this one gentleman, super cool dude. Actually we became friends afterwards. He was he's in Zendaya's father and he was also a manager, and he went to all my breathwork events and super committed.

36:25 And you know he's like this six foot five black dude with dreads, you know, and a really serious face. And you know he was in the back and he was doing it. You know, I used to say, I seen it all, and you know, you never see it all. And I remember seeing him in the back and he was like going under his yoga mat and he kept putting his fingers and sliding them up and down his yoga mat and he kept doing it. I'm like, what, I never seen anyone do that? Like what is he doing? He doing weird things for him. Yeah. Like, it wasn't until a year later he's like, hey, remember that first breath work that we we did. I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I remember exactly what He's like, Man, you were saying this was going to happen and I was going to feel this, and I'm like, man, that's blowney, that's not going to happen to me. He goes and all of a sudden, my body started vibrating so much that I thought my yoga mat was plugged in certually for the cord to the yoga bat because he thought his yoga bat was vibrating.

37:20 Oh my gosh, that's awesome. Wow. Yeah, that's the power of like what this? What this cool? Do? I wonder how what happened to me? Yeah? I can only imagine. We have to try it up have abitation, So you obviously guide people through this experience, right, and you mentioned you're doing it every two weeks, but you also talked about the fact that you teach people how to do this. So what does that look like, how long does it take? How much commitment is there as someone like if I wanted to become a practitioner for example. Yeah, So we certify people two ways. They can do virtual, right, they can do virtual on demand, or they can do live in person. So typically if they go virtually, you know, they can get certified anywhere between two weeks and a month.

38:10 And then we have a fully immersive crash course retreat where it's three full days, like super early Friday morning all the way to a late Sunday night. We'll go sometimes to like one in the morning. It's like a real intensive but they get hands on experience and they get to see things in real time and we give them everything that they need in those three days. And I do those every three months or every four months about and in three days they can get certified in breathwork. So they have the intensive and then we have the virtual. So let's just say three days to thirty days is tip the average. Wow, and then the breathwork sessions that you lead. Those are those virtual or is those in person?

38:52 Those are virtual? Some of them I do in person, but that's really rare. I do the virtual just because you know, we can we get people from all over all different countries and I just love going on there and seeing like Zimbabwe and like I'm like wow, like welcome, you know, So it's so cool. That does sound cool? Do you do personal one on one sessions? I don't. I don't, but I do have like hundreds of teachers who do offer them in different states. So people go on our website and they say, hey, I'm in Connecticut, you know, We're like, yeah, we got six facilitators out there here. You can reach out to them. Great, they'll do what I want. Wow, that sounds awesome. So if one wanted to participate or become a certified trainer or anything like that, we'll learn more about it. What's the best way for someone to reach out to you?

39:40 So if they go to breathworkdetos dot com, so it's type in breathworkdetos dot com and you'll see like a little You'll see a video that kind of explains what I do, and then you'll see like a little program suite where you can click okay, I'm interested in a virtual event. I want to become a teacher, or I want to do corporate or you know, whatever it is. And for the teachers, we we offer a free masterclass, We offer free clarity calls, consultation calls, and you know, we try to give as many resources as we possibly can for people who are considering and you know, they might not even want to be a teacher. We have people come in it's like I don't even know if I want to teach this, but I just feel like I need to learn this. And then they learn it and they're like, okay, now I'm teaching and I'm creating a business. Right. So we we you know, we you know, we love to note the intentions, but we also know after you go through our training, you're going to come out a different person.

40:30 Wow, that sounds perfect. That it does sounds amazing. So is this something that can help everything? Or there are things that this just doesn't touch. I won't say there's things that it won't touch. I won't say it does everything. I will say the breath is very intelligent, the body is very intelligent. It's going to give you what you need in that moment, you know, at that time, whether you realize it or not. And it's so powerful. Does it work for somebody who is more say, say someone drags their friend, you know, the one person's believer with the one person is not. Is it going to have the same effect for both people or do you have to really be bought into it in order for it to? Oh?

41:14 No, I love the skeptics. Those are my favorite. They're like, oh yeah, let's do this stupid little thing and then they come in whoa like like, I don't know, it's some weird like feeling I get when skeptics go through and then they just blows their mind because I think because I was that person, you know, and I think when I meet those people too, I'm like, yeah, you just just watch, just just wait. You know, there's resistant people that no matter what, you know, they're going to sabotage their own healings. And that's you know, they're not ready and that's okay, you know they'll get there at the own time. But I will say kind of I want to touch back on your other question is that I think we're moving into a time where the world and even science and in the medical industry is realizing that a lot of our issues stem from emotional things that happened to us in the past. Like even if you look at stress. Harvard came out of a study and they said that eighty percent of all doctor's visits are stress related. So if you just think about that number, eighty percent of all doctor's visits are stress related. So think about all the issues. You know, then what happens they come in, They have this symptom, they've given this pill, and then that pill maybe fixes that, but gives you eight other symptoms, and now they have to take a pill to fix that, and then just go down this you know, you know, we won't even go there. You guys understand how that look guilty? You know, we've all

42:48 done it. And and if we can, like to me, that's like mowing the lawn, right, you can mow the lawn and wow, my lawn looks great. Right, and then you know, sex six days later, you've got weeds popping out all over the place, and then you're going to mow it again. I feel like this work is like ripping out the weeds from the root so they don't grow back, because that's where it's coming from right. We got to get well, how did this manifest? And things do manifest in the spiritual world first, they manifest energetically first, and then it turns into physical issues and we try our goals to try to catch it before it manifests into X, Y, and Z. So I think we're moving into a place. So I'm not. I'm not that guy who is like all Eastern medicine, in all allternate medicine and whatever modality is. You know, if I got a broken limb or a tooth, you know that we needs a cavity, give me the novacaine, give me the painkillers.

43:51 Like you know, I'm like, I'm not. I think it's the merging of the two worlds, the merging of East and the West. I think that's where we're going to find the most growth. And you know, the funny thing about alternate air quotes, in case they can't see me, alternate therapies, is that mainstream society convinced us that things like breathwork are alternative medicines, are modalities, when the truth is they're humanity's original medicine and everything else that came after that, those are the alternatives, right, so you bring up an interesting point. You do this breath work modality, for I've got an issue with my stomach and it goes away on the very first time that you do this, So they not only need to do it anymore, right, or do you now focus it on other things? I mean, I know you don't do it. The breath is intelligent. So but you recommend this become a lifestyle, right or is it just like a fit, quick fix a maintenance.

44:47 Do you do like a maintenance breath work? Yeah, I'm glad you guys brought this up because I was going to make a point to make sure that I said this this modality. You don't need to do this every day, that's all. God, you don't need to do it. Ever when I first found it, and I discovered it, I did it every single day for close to ten months straight, wow, full sessions. But that was also my own initiation into being able to go out there and teach this. And you know, I studied all different people and I already had knowledge of it, but I did every single day almost ten months in a row. And but you, not you, but anybody, they don't have to do this every single day, like what I recommend is, you know, do a deep session. You know, there's a reason why we do them every two weeks. We do a deep session every two weeks. But then we also have something called the Breakfast Club. Oh that's clever. Did we do it every morning, even days a week, six am every single day. I have a different facilitator every morning of each day who brings people through these sessions.

45:52 But they're micro sessions, only eight to ten minutes long. That's like, oh right, So how do you join the Breakfast Club? Yeah? So it's part of our membership. So when people book members, they get access to all my virtual events, they get access to the Breakfast Club, they get access to recordings. It sounds so funny, sounds like you're Mike Tyson. So let's just clarify six am Pacific time, right. Yeah, so that's nine am Eastern time. Much better, much better for me at that times. Yeah, all right, I just want to clarify that. Yeah. Cool. So I love the Yeah, I love the Breakfast back.

46:34 Yeah. I can't do it. I can't do it. I get too much in my head. So all right, awesome. Is there anything that we haven't talked about? You want to make sure that the people who are listening or watching this really truly get from this conversation. I mean, I would say, I mean, I don't know. I said an intention when I decided to do this podcast circuit, and my intention was not to convert people into my breath theism religion. Right my I was like, what do I really want from this? And a successful podcast for me is if anywhere in the podcast, it doesn't matter if Karen said it, you said it, I said it, they got curious. If we were able to spark their curiosity so much where they felt like they had to know more about it, and they opened their phone or their you know, their computer, and they start to search, or they go on breathwork detoks, or maybe they go on YouTube or chat jibit whatever. If we spark that curiosity to have them go down some rabbit hole about breath work, it's ultimately going to lead them to some form of conscious breathing. Any form of conscious breathing is going to be beneficial for your life. So we won That's what. That's what, that's what I that's my intention for this podcast.

47:46 Well, I will easily, happily, unhesitated, unhesitatingly say that you have won. Because I'm incredibly curious and I got your website pulled up already on my laptop here, and I'm going to do a pep or dive into it because it sounds really interesting. I have one question that just popped into my head and it's going to sound like a joke, but it's totally legit. Oh boy, So we're walking in the cold and flu season. If you have like a mad stuffed up nose, you can still do this right because it's through your mouth or bronchite. It's no bronchitis. I would coughie fit. Yeah. Yeah, it would actually help Claire out the lungs stuff stuff, because you want to get this stuff out, you know.

48:26 But i'd say people, yeah, if your nose is stuffy, its mouth breathing, yes. Can help you feel better and it help clear up the cold. It'll feel like it's like I'm sleeping. Or like you're standing in the grocery store. Yeah, and it does stret them in your immune system as well. So there's there's tons of benefits that we didn't get into. I'll just share one of them of why I do it every single day. The emotional healing was the deepest one for me that triggered everything. While I'm like, wow, this stuff works, but there's something that it gives me and other people every single day, and clarity. There is a profound amount of clarity that comes through during breath work, and this is because the prefiltal cortex of the brain begins to quiet down. And that's the part of the brain that is the executive decision maker.

49:16 It's the let's call it the ego, the monkey mind, the critic, the interstaboteur. You know. It says this is good, this is bad. You know, I'm me, You're you. And when you quiet that part down, all of a sudden, the brain goes into transient hypoferntality, which is another word for flow state, and then all of a sudden, you see all the parts of your life that are already there, and it's like the blindfold's ripped off and you're able to connect the dots. And the level of creativity, the level of clarity that you get, it's it's priceless to me because I've been confused before. I've been in places where I felt like I was in the dark. I didn't know which step to take, whether it's to get into that relationship or you know, to take that position or whatever it may be, or just simply not even knowing your own purpose. Right, what is my mission? What's my purpose? What am I supposed to do? Why am I here? You know, confusion is temporary insanity. I do not like being confused, and that made me value clarity so much more. And when you have that clear path, it's just like, oh man, that's where actually energy comes from.

50:20 That's where motivation comes from. The moment you get Claire, you get a burst of energy and motivation that allows you to take that next step in your life with just more vigor and life force. Wow. Wow, So I urge everyone, We're going to add a link in our show notes to your website so that they can find you easily. Go to skepticmposition dot com. You'll see his episode. In the episode, you'll see link Lady Nerve so that it's easy for you to access it. Do go to his website and check out the video I did before we started this interview. He talks about the four people that this most benefits. We didn't even get into it in this conversation, but it is definitely beneficial for you to go and check that out at the end of the day. This is really good for everybody, but specifically four types of people. It's really good for.

51:10 Well, it's like a cliffhanger. Now you have to go to the website right out. Yeah, it's almost like I do this for a living or something. All Right, Curtis you one of the four this is. This has been awesome. It's been a great conversation. Loved meeting you. Thank you for bringing this to our attention and to the attention of our audience. I know I'm gonna you'll see me, maybe not the breath Fest Club, but you might see me one of the other sessions, just because I'm really curious about it. I really want to dive into it. So thank you so much for taking the time and coming and chatting with this about it. Thank you, guys, I appreciate you.