Key Takeaways
- You can stop ignoring your gut feeling by cataloging past instances where you ignored your intuition and suffered negative consequences; this practice helps you recognize patterns and builds trust in your inner guidance.
- Learning how to trust intuition is not about belief, but about developing a deeper relationship with your nervous system and being present in your own human experience.
- The modern approach to spiritual work is shifting from proving psychic abilities to using these connections to provide helpful, community-driven guidance in daily life.
- You do not have to believe in a concept for it to be true, so stop wasting energy questioning or analyzing if something is real if it is already having an impact on your reality.
- Treat your relationship with yourself as the greatest love story you will ever experience to better navigate your own awakening process.
Live from the vendor floor at SpiritFest USA in Virginia Beach, Will and Karen catch an unplanned conversation that turns out to be one of the most useful of the day.
Their guest never meant to be on the show, she just wandered in to check out the booths. But somewhere between talking about neuro-spicy sensory overload and a windshield-shattering road story, she lays out the exact difference between the old "prove your powers to me" psychic culture and the mindset actually changing people's lives right now.
There's a simple exercise anyone can start tonight to stop ignoring their gut. And a line about belief that might wreck a few worldviews in the room.
Grab a coffee, and don't skip the part about the rock.
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Frequently Asked Questions
How to trust intuition?
Start by reflecting on past experiences where you ignored your gut feeling and noting the results; this builds a clear link between your internal signals and external outcomes, helping you recognize them more quickly next time.
Why do I keep ignoring my gut feelings?
You may be ignoring your intuition because your nervous system is scattered or because you feel a need to prioritize external validation over your internal knowledge; the solution is to practice presence and become more intentional about what you allow into your energetic space.
What is the difference between old psychic culture and modern spirituality?
Old psychic culture was often focused on proving one's abilities to others, whereas modern spiritual practice is more community-driven, focusing on shared human growth and applying intuitive messages to improve daily life.
Is it hard to balance being spiritual and human?
It can be challenging at first, but with practice, it becomes a conscious choice to anchor yourself in your humanity while staying connected to your deeper spiritual insights.
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Welcome back to the SkeptimaNovisiations live on new reality TV broadcasting to you live from the
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SpiritFest USA in Virginia Beach. The best thing about you tuning into us right now is because we
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have a special guest with us. Her name is Tanya Johnson and we have we've known her for a bit and she
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happens to have be one of the people that saw us and came into the show. I'm just gonna go with that.
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So, absolutely. We didn't call it "Jay, please count." No, not at all. Tanya, please
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have you here. Thanks for coming. You're not a vendor here. You just kind of came in to check out
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the show. What do you thoughts? What's it feel like? Yeah, I love it. I love all of the diversity. I
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love all the practitioners and everything going on. That's just my five-year-old daughter.
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I know someone who has an energy practitioner but not sort of on the scene and in the scene. It's
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interesting to walk around and just sort of gauge and tune in and feel how the place feels, the people
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feel and the practitioners that are here feel. Right. And one of the things that we're hearing from
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a lot of the different vendors and practitioners is that the energy of this particular spirit class
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is a little different than some of the other conventions. Much more of a sense of community or
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that kind of home feeling. Are you feeling that as well? Yeah, for sure. Those big ones,
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most of us practitioners are also neurospicy. Right. And so some of these are really large and
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really loud places with a lot of bright lights are like really sensory overload. And this is
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perfect. I love how they've got it split between two different larger rooms but not overwhelming.
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Right. And in the talk, the talks are being held in a separate room as well. But I just,
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I got to stop in and say we just got a new t-shirt idea. I got to make a t-shirt. She's
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neurospicy. I'm neurospicy. I'm neurospicy. We're wired for the future. Right.
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I'm with neurospicy. As long as the arrow points the right direction.
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Keep it fairly, fairly here. So, Tanya, we were talking a little bit earlier today about the differences
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in energies and feelings in these kinds of shows where a few years ago, the energies were different
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in a very specific way. Yeah. Why don't you share that with us? I feel like when all of this started
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happening for me and I started seeking answers, it wasn't part of the spiritual community or the
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vocabulary. Like it was very foreign to me. And so as I started booking sessions to see what was
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going on and to really understand it more, it felt a lot more like the practitioners' safe space
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to operate for a lot of years was in the domain of psychic and mediumship, which is a very small domain.
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Right. Relatively speaking, we know and understand now. But there was also a safe way for them to
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practice those abilities. And most of that way was around validation of whether their abilities
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or true are not so much about the message that was being given. Right. And that's what I've seen
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really transition. So it's almost like prove it to me or let me prove it to you versus actually
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giving a message is going to help you in your life. Right. So then what's the difference that? What
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do you feel? How is a message different? Sure. It feels more community driven where someone's
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sitting down across from me or I sit down across from a practitioner and you just have that
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feeling of we're actually in this together. You are not separate from me with an ability or a
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message that I don't intrinsically hold it in myself. I just need you to help me find it and connect to it.
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So it's less sceptic and more than a physician.
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Are some of the I guess the energetic blocks that people are facing when they're trying to
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kind of make this transition over to to understanding and being one. So the the blocks are all human
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blocks. Ego, trauma, pain, suffering and it really comes down to your mindset and identity.
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Like those are the human tools. Where do you situate yourself in the belief about yourself?
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Less than where do you situate yourself in the belief about what else is out there?
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Oh, I appreciate it. It was a good choice. It was hard to do in 10 minutes.
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All conversations. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But what are you are you feeling in it? So we should, can you give us
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a little bit of a 30,000 foot view into what you are experiencing? Because I know there's a lot
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coming through you right now. So yeah. When someone who's watching us right now or listening to us
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right now, give them the sense of who you are and what is coming through you. Sure. The Cliffs Note
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version is I orient myself in my identity in different places and energy to then communicate it
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through my human self. Just like a actor would with a character that they're developing for a movie.
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however you behaved with your parents when you were that age or you're going to a high school reunion.
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to see me and then you're like wait a second. I'm growing adult. Like what? Right. And so really all of
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those sues in your emotional body or your nervous system or whatever are all indicators. Right. They're
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all like little dots along the way of like I have control of this. It does not control me. Right.
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And so for me, I spend more of my time now orienting back into human because it is the most beautiful
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experience we get to have because of this material. Right. Right. Do you find it difficult to get
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yourself back into human after you mean you've touched places that not a lot of people have touched.
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Is it difficult to bring yourself into this physical world now? It was or maybe a year and a half.
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But to me it equates very similarly to anything that people often get themselves lost in. Right.
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Addiction like like there is this human behavior of escapism. Particularly with someone from my
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human experience background of trauma. But this heartfelt choice of I chose to have this experience.
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And even though I know all of this now, what do I want to feel in my body walk around with have
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people experience about me and from me. And it is such it is just a returning to what are you
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carrying in this container and being very intentional about it. You know, I think one of the hardest
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things is even getting to that first step. Like even even introducing yourself to this space that
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we're in. If you're just someone who has their regular job and sometimes not right but they don't
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really know what or how to function or what to do about it. What would you say is a good something
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that's like hello, this is happening like a warning sign or not a warning sign but I'm sort of
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thinking of an early warning. Yeah, it's going to sound really really corny. But the fastest way
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there is making your relationship with yourself the greatest love story you ever experienced.
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Ah, you know, that's the thing today. Yeah, we talk to a couple of people today that we're
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talking exactly about that. Finding you a love affair with yourself didn't say quite like you did.
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But yeah, and I think it Brooks. Yeah, who's having a talk at three o'clock about that specific topic at
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three o'clock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's important. And what I find beautiful is how
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you are choosing to be very present, right? From being out in ethereal coming to the 3D world and
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you're choosing to be the world but experiencing it on purpose. Whereas most of us are walking around
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experiencing it without even paying attention to it because we take it for granted because we
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don't know what a gift it is. Right. And we don't I think different. And we don't know anything.
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We're here. What we do is you don't remember. Well, yeah, but if you don't remember, you can't really
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let's do it. Yeah, I know it. Yeah, we all start there. Yeah. I was there too, right? And it's been five
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years of really trust building with my my nervous system and my brain and all of these different
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things in this is safe to experience and anchoring myself in. I know I know how to take care of myself.
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So in if you're in 3D, it can start as easily as sitting down and taking notes of all looking back
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on your life and taking notes of all the times, you felt a pain and you didn't follow it and things
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went differently and and locking that pain into your heart. So that's a really good exercise to do
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if you're still in 3D because we have all been using these abilities. It's just our awareness of how
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they actually occur to us that you're re-learning. You know, and I like that just like a very obvious
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and simple easy way to to I guess express that and this happened to everyone where like you're driving
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and you got your cup of coffee and you like I probably shouldn't sit here because I might turn and spill
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up there. I'm just going to do it anyways. Like you get that thing but you know damn there was the
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cool thing that you're all mad. Yeah. Right. So this is kind of that but like on steer. Yeah.
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And I think it might be different for men versus women because the body is wired differently.
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And so women's intuition or gut feeling, that's it. Those are it. And if you
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if your nervous system is so scattered depending on your environment or the environment you grew up in
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that you're not even sure you know what that feels like. Then doing those lists is a great place to start
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because it's the act of sitting there and being present in the exercise that then you're as you're
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looking back and you're like man I knew that wasn't going to go well. Yeah. I so knew it. And the more of a
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list you can make then you can see your patterns and your body will start trusting. That gut feeling or
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that intuitive pull. And then once it links in and wires in it can't ever go anywhere and you won't
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doubt it again but some people need the evidence. Right. Some people have it the first time you feel it
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and you're like, I'm never ignoring this again but I did not. I had to steal the coffee. Yeah.
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And over and over. Yeah. Exactly. Well, I like this because it kind of gives us permission then to
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do things that other people might think, oh, that's flighty. You know, why are you going, you know,
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why are you doing that? And it's like you know that you're going with your gut or you go with your
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intuition. And you don't have to explain it to anybody. Yeah. Yeah. And some of us are still just
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walking around blind. And so we need to do these lists. You know what I use is my indicator is ways.
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So with me, I've always told Karen never doubt the way. Yeah. Right. Just go whatever it's telling
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you to go because it's going to for some reason there might be traffic ahead or something going on.
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Right. Well, of course the day that I don't take my own advice and I don't follow ways. I said,
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oh, this is a better way to go. That's why I'm just going to ignore it and go this way.
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Not 30 seconds later, a rock came and shattered my windshield. So never doubt the ways. But, but
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was that like an intuition thing, maybe you would have gotten in an accident because for some reason
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something told you to go another way and you followed that. So maybe the Brooklyn windshield was
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better than if you would have gone, you know, I wish it was the way. The way is the ways of the other way.
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The way I think of just being stubborn and saying, I'm going to go, I know better than ways. Not a,
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it wasn't like a, no, I think I should go this way. Whatever I'm going to go this way. Right.
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Exactly. It was a ball in the china shop. Okay. But the route that you did there is you already know
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follow ways. That is your intuitive pull. So you went against. I did. Exactly. Yeah. I
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went to the fine, which I do all the damn time because because if you've threaded and wired in
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that ways is the way that I know I will always be safe. Right. And ways is the way you will always be safe.
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Okay. That's great. That's great. I like that. Okay. So then if someone needs to wire their themselves
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or whatever, what kind of, how do you recommend someone? The biggest myth I would like to shatter is
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the term belief. You do not have to believe something for it to be so. Okay. It can just be. And
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it is whether you believe it or not. Like what? It sounds super eccentric, right? It does.
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I have spent so much time energetically in places that I come back in a human and like,
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no way. And I will make energy prove it to me. And I will make energy validate and give me the
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context around it. And then it's like, okay, cool. I'm going to put that here because it's a piece
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of this thing that I'm working on. But I'm not going to spend any human time and going down
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to rabbit hole of whether I believe this or not because it is what it is, right? A neurosurgeon
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does what he does the way that he does it. And it doesn't matter if I believe it. If I support it,
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if I think he's doing it right or wrong, he's the expert. So I just, I don't spend energy where I
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don't need to spend energy. And belief is one of those things. I feel like she's talking right at me.
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I just got these are hopeless. Anyway.
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to the show. I know that we're going to be talking to you a lot in the future. Keep your ears on Tanya
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Johnson. You're going to hear a lot about her in the coming months and years. And this will be fun.
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But we thought. Yeah. Thank you guys so much. Thanks for thanks for coming by. Yeah.
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SpiritFest USA in Virginia Beach. The best thing about you tuning into us right now is because we
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have a special guest with us. Her name is Tanya Johnson and we have we've known her for a bit and she
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happens to have be one of the people that saw us and came into the show. I'm just gonna go with that.
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So, absolutely. We didn't call it "Jay, please count." No, not at all. Tanya, please
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have you here. Thanks for coming. You're not a vendor here. You just kind of came in to check out
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the show. What do you thoughts? What's it feel like? Yeah, I love it. I love all of the diversity. I
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love all the practitioners and everything going on. That's just my five-year-old daughter.
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I know someone who has an energy practitioner but not sort of on the scene and in the scene. It's
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interesting to walk around and just sort of gauge and tune in and feel how the place feels, the people
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feel and the practitioners that are here feel. Right. And one of the things that we're hearing from
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a lot of the different vendors and practitioners is that the energy of this particular spirit class
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is a little different than some of the other conventions. Much more of a sense of community or
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that kind of home feeling. Are you feeling that as well? Yeah, for sure. Those big ones,
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most of us practitioners are also neurospicy. Right. And so some of these are really large and
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really loud places with a lot of bright lights are like really sensory overload. And this is
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perfect. I love how they've got it split between two different larger rooms but not overwhelming.
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Right. And in the talk, the talks are being held in a separate room as well. But I just,
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I got to stop in and say we just got a new t-shirt idea. I got to make a t-shirt. She's
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neurospicy. I'm neurospicy. I'm neurospicy. We're wired for the future. Right.
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I'm with neurospicy. As long as the arrow points the right direction.
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Keep it fairly, fairly here. So, Tanya, we were talking a little bit earlier today about the differences
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in energies and feelings in these kinds of shows where a few years ago, the energies were different
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in a very specific way. Yeah. Why don't you share that with us? I feel like when all of this started
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happening for me and I started seeking answers, it wasn't part of the spiritual community or the
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vocabulary. Like it was very foreign to me. And so as I started booking sessions to see what was
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going on and to really understand it more, it felt a lot more like the practitioners' safe space
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to operate for a lot of years was in the domain of psychic and mediumship, which is a very small domain.
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Right. Relatively speaking, we know and understand now. But there was also a safe way for them to
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practice those abilities. And most of that way was around validation of whether their abilities
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or true are not so much about the message that was being given. Right. And that's what I've seen
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really transition. So it's almost like prove it to me or let me prove it to you versus actually
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giving a message is going to help you in your life. Right. So then what's the difference that? What
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do you feel? How is a message different? Sure. It feels more community driven where someone's
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sitting down across from me or I sit down across from a practitioner and you just have that
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feeling of we're actually in this together. You are not separate from me with an ability or a
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message that I don't intrinsically hold it in myself. I just need you to help me find it and connect to it.
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So it's less sceptic and more than a physician.
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Are some of the I guess the energetic blocks that people are facing when they're trying to
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kind of make this transition over to to understanding and being one. So the the blocks are all human
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blocks. Ego, trauma, pain, suffering and it really comes down to your mindset and identity.
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Like those are the human tools. Where do you situate yourself in the belief about yourself?
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Less than where do you situate yourself in the belief about what else is out there?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Oh, I appreciate it. It was a good choice. It was hard to do in 10 minutes.
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All conversations. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But what are you are you feeling in it? So we should, can you give us
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a little bit of a 30,000 foot view into what you are experiencing? Because I know there's a lot
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coming through you right now. So yeah. When someone who's watching us right now or listening to us
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right now, give them the sense of who you are and what is coming through you. Sure. The Cliffs Note
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version is I orient myself in my identity in different places and energy to then communicate it
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through my human self. Just like a actor would with a character that they're developing for a movie.
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Or you might if you're going back to the town you grew up in. And you sort of pseudo slipped into
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however you behaved with your parents when you were that age or you're going to a high school reunion.
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Right. And like you feel yourself going oh my gosh, I wasn't popular then. How are people going
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to see me and then you're like wait a second. I'm growing adult. Like what? Right. And so really all of
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those sues in your emotional body or your nervous system or whatever are all indicators. Right. They're
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all like little dots along the way of like I have control of this. It does not control me. Right.
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And so for me, I spend more of my time now orienting back into human because it is the most beautiful
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experience we get to have because of this material. Right. Right. Do you find it difficult to get
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yourself back into human after you mean you've touched places that not a lot of people have touched.
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Is it difficult to bring yourself into this physical world now? It was or maybe a year and a half.
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But to me it equates very similarly to anything that people often get themselves lost in. Right.
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Addiction like like there is this human behavior of escapism. Particularly with someone from my
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human experience background of trauma. But this heartfelt choice of I chose to have this experience.
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And even though I know all of this now, what do I want to feel in my body walk around with have
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people experience about me and from me. And it is such it is just a returning to what are you
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carrying in this container and being very intentional about it. You know, I think one of the hardest
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things is even getting to that first step. Like even even introducing yourself to this space that
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we're in. If you're just someone who has their regular job and sometimes not right but they don't
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really know what or how to function or what to do about it. What would you say is a good something
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that's like hello, this is happening like a warning sign or not a warning sign but I'm sort of
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thinking of an early warning. Yeah, it's going to sound really really corny. But the fastest way
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there is making your relationship with yourself the greatest love story you ever experienced.
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Ah, you know, that's the thing today. Yeah, we talk to a couple of people today that we're
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talking exactly about that. Finding you a love affair with yourself didn't say quite like you did.
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But yeah, and I think it Brooks. Yeah, who's having a talk at three o'clock about that specific topic at
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three o'clock. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's important. And what I find beautiful is how
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you are choosing to be very present, right? From being out in ethereal coming to the 3D world and
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you're choosing to be the world but experiencing it on purpose. Whereas most of us are walking around
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experiencing it without even paying attention to it because we take it for granted because we
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don't know what a gift it is. Right. And we don't I think different. And we don't know anything.
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We're here. What we do is you don't remember. Well, yeah, but if you don't remember, you can't really
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let's do it. Yeah, I know it. Yeah, we all start there. Yeah. I was there too, right? And it's been five
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years of really trust building with my my nervous system and my brain and all of these different
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things in this is safe to experience and anchoring myself in. I know I know how to take care of myself.
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So in if you're in 3D, it can start as easily as sitting down and taking notes of all looking back
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on your life and taking notes of all the times, you felt a pain and you didn't follow it and things
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went differently and and locking that pain into your heart. So that's a really good exercise to do
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if you're still in 3D because we have all been using these abilities. It's just our awareness of how
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they actually occur to us that you're re-learning. You know, and I like that just like a very obvious
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and simple easy way to to I guess express that and this happened to everyone where like you're driving
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and you got your cup of coffee and you like I probably shouldn't sit here because I might turn and spill
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up there. I'm just going to do it anyways. Like you get that thing but you know damn there was the
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cool thing that you're all mad. Yeah. Right. So this is kind of that but like on steer. Yeah.
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And I think it might be different for men versus women because the body is wired differently.
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And so women's intuition or gut feeling, that's it. Those are it. And if you
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if your nervous system is so scattered depending on your environment or the environment you grew up in
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that you're not even sure you know what that feels like. Then doing those lists is a great place to start
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because it's the act of sitting there and being present in the exercise that then you're as you're
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looking back and you're like man I knew that wasn't going to go well. Yeah. I so knew it. And the more of a
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list you can make then you can see your patterns and your body will start trusting. That gut feeling or
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that intuitive pull. And then once it links in and wires in it can't ever go anywhere and you won't
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doubt it again but some people need the evidence. Right. Some people have it the first time you feel it
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and you're like, I'm never ignoring this again but I did not. I had to steal the coffee. Yeah.
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And over and over. Yeah. Exactly. Well, I like this because it kind of gives us permission then to
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do things that other people might think, oh, that's flighty. You know, why are you going, you know,
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why are you doing that? And it's like you know that you're going with your gut or you go with your
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intuition. And you don't have to explain it to anybody. Yeah. Yeah. And some of us are still just
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walking around blind. And so we need to do these lists. You know what I use is my indicator is ways.
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So with me, I've always told Karen never doubt the way. Yeah. Right. Just go whatever it's telling
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you to go because it's going to for some reason there might be traffic ahead or something going on.
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Right. Well, of course the day that I don't take my own advice and I don't follow ways. I said,
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oh, this is a better way to go. That's why I'm just going to ignore it and go this way.
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Not 30 seconds later, a rock came and shattered my windshield. So never doubt the ways. But, but
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was that like an intuition thing, maybe you would have gotten in an accident because for some reason
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something told you to go another way and you followed that. So maybe the Brooklyn windshield was
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better than if you would have gone, you know, I wish it was the way. The way is the ways of the other way.
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The way I think of just being stubborn and saying, I'm going to go, I know better than ways. Not a,
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it wasn't like a, no, I think I should go this way. Whatever I'm going to go this way. Right.
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Exactly. It was a ball in the china shop. Okay. But the route that you did there is you already know
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follow ways. That is your intuitive pull. So you went against. I did. Exactly. Yeah. I
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went to the fine, which I do all the damn time because because if you've threaded and wired in
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that ways is the way that I know I will always be safe. Right. And ways is the way you will always be safe.
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Okay. That's great. That's great. I like that. Okay. So then if someone needs to wire their themselves
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or whatever, what kind of, how do you recommend someone? The biggest myth I would like to shatter is
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the term belief. You do not have to believe something for it to be so. Okay. It can just be. And
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it is whether you believe it or not. Like what? It sounds super eccentric, right? It does.
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I have spent so much time energetically in places that I come back in a human and like,
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no way. And I will make energy prove it to me. And I will make energy validate and give me the
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context around it. And then it's like, okay, cool. I'm going to put that here because it's a piece
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of this thing that I'm working on. But I'm not going to spend any human time and going down
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to rabbit hole of whether I believe this or not because it is what it is, right? A neurosurgeon
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does what he does the way that he does it. And it doesn't matter if I believe it. If I support it,
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if I think he's doing it right or wrong, he's the expert. So I just, I don't spend energy where I
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don't need to spend energy. And belief is one of those things. I feel like she's talking right at me.
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I just got these are hopeless. Anyway.
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Well, Tanya, it's been wonderful talking to you. Thanks for stopping by the booth. Thanks for coming
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to the show. I know that we're going to be talking to you a lot in the future. Keep your ears on Tanya
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Johnson. You're going to hear a lot about her in the coming months and years. And this will be fun.
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But we thought. Yeah. Thank you guys so much. Thanks for thanks for coming by. Yeah.
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