Classic - Did Reality Change Overnight? A Physicist Explains the Mandela Effect

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Karen. Yes. Question for you. What's that? Did Curious George have a tail? Curious George

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did not have a tail. Did not have a tail? No. See, I always remembered him having a tail. Now,

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what about Mickey Mouse? Did he wear suspenders? No. He, of course he wore suspenders. What do you

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know? What do you know? He wore suspenders. Of course, it's just ended at the short. We're

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from different realities. Where? Now, do you remember if the little dude on the monopoly game had a

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monocle? Now, I'm second guessing. I would think yes, but maybe that's Mr. Peanut. Well,

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thinking about it. Well, you're right. Actually, that's what people are saying. I do remember Mr.

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Monopoly having a monocle, but people are saying that he didn't. So, then last question, what was

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it that Snow White chanted into the mirror when she asked a question? This one I've heard before,

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but apparently, what do I do remember her chanting? Yeah. What do you do? Yeah, mirror, mirror on the

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wall? Well, that's not exactly what she said according to what people are saying. Then the main

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question is, could we really have jumped into a new reality? Some of us are just remembering the old one

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in those instances? Or are we just remembering things incorrectly because of a weird type of telephone

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game where one person misremember something and spreads it around because of the bad memories that we

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might all have? Both are possible, I think. That's a very good point. Yeah. Today, of course,

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we are talking about the phenomenon known as the Mandela effect where masses of people remember

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things very differently from each other. And today's guest says that she absolutely has the answer

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to this mind-altering question. We're diving into it on this episode of the Skeptic Manifizitions.

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My name is Will and I'm Karen. And unlike Moldor and Scully, both want to believe. So, we've embarked

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This is a fascinating one. Most of the time, when things like this may have happened to me in the past,

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I'll probably dismiss them as logical mistakes. I may figure I might have noticed something wrong

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or in some way must have been mistaken in some way or another. But since doing the show,

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I've repeatedly been told that it's easy to dismiss the signs that the universe sends our way

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if we refuse to open ourselves up to the mysteries being presented. And that's kind of what I've done

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for my entire life, right? See, a logical mind will always have a way to explain away the weird

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occurrences that show us that our 3D world holds so much more than we could possibly understand.

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Well, this time, I'm not going to do that. I'm just not going to poo poo away something that

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completely and absolutely proves to me that I'm slowly opening myself up to the universe.

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What, here's what happened. I'm currently traveling back home from a business trip. As I always do,

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I check into the airline about 24 hours before and make sure that my seat assignment is one that

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can live with because I can sit in the middle seat. And I notice that both of my seats were aisle seats

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this time around by both of me, both legs of the trip. Now, they're both also in the emergency row,

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which provides more legroom, so I'm happy. And I also notice that the exit rows on this plane

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happen to be rows 20 and 21. And that I'm seated in the aisle seat designated as 20D. So I'm very happy.

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Well, the next day, I look on my Delta app. Yes, my preferred airline is Delta Airlines. And know

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this shows not being sponsored by Delta. Although Delta, if you're listening, it could be. Anyway,

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once again, notice that my seat is listed as 20D. So I happily put the app away and make my way to

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the airport. Once there, I again pull out my boarding pass to show the TSA agent I belong on the

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other side of the security line. Again, noticing that I was sitting in seat 20D. And yet again,

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when I checked in with the gate agent, seat 20D stared back at me from my Delta app as I cross the

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line onto the gangway. Then I had this tradition. I've never spoken about it before. My friends,

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my family, none of them know that I do this. And only one flight attendant has ever caught on to my

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little idiosyncrasy. You see, just before I cross onto the aircraft itself, I tap the side of the

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plane and I ask it to please get me to the destination safely. Then I show the plane what seat I've been

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assigned to. Just in case it wants to just save a couple of seats. In this case, both the plane and I

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took notice that I was seated in 20D getting the just yet. Well, so I'm sitting safely in sconce in my seat.

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Yes, 20D, the seat that I had once again reconfirmed just prior to sitting down might be noticing my

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revealing of my slight OCD behavior here, right? But the lady comes down the aisle and she says to me,

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hey, I believe you are in my seat. Well, I'm of course completely sure that I am indeed meant to be

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sitting in seat 20D. I've confirmed that fact multiple times at this point. So I pull up my phone

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with the Delta app install on it to show her that I am indeed assigned to seat 20D. I even give her

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slightly snarky comment about how the D seat is actually the aisle seat missing. You might

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be referring to the middle seat, which is obviously open. And I naturally just assume that this was the seat.

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She was actually looking for not my proudest moment. I will agree. Well, as I pulled out the app to show her

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for a split second, I once again noticed the seat assignment was 20D. But then the universe decided

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it wanted to show me that it was far more mysterious than I had ever imagined. You see, it was

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20D for just a split second. But as I was looking at this seat assignment, right before my eyes in

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just a split second, the seat assignment changed. I was understandably completely floored. I mean,

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took the flight attendant who was looking over my shoulder to confirm my seat to shake me out of my

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shock, which she pointed out that I was actually in seat 20C, not 20D as I had thought before. I'm not

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kidding. I'm not exaggerating. I'm just stating facts as they happen. Black and white, I promise you.

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I used myself and immediately moved to the empty 20C seat that was so obviously meant for me. And as I

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sat down, I did so in utter and complete shock. I mean, in my head, I went over all the times I had

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confirmed and reconfurned my seat assignment. And what I was sure that I saw for an instant as the

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seat assignment changed in front of my very eyes. Now see, we've come now to full circle to the

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beginning of the story. My rational mind kept telling me I must have been mistaken all the other

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times that I checked the seat assignment. I mean, maybe there had been another flight that I remember

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being seated in seat 20D for and I was confusing the two. I mean, surely that was a logical answer.

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But as hard as my brain tried to convince me of my rational explanation, my newly tapped into

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soul was urging me to remember all of the conversations I've had over the last few years on this show

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and pleading with me to refuse to fall into the old programming. You see, the fact is that the complete

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reality that we are constantly timeline jumping, quantum surfing was showing itself to me in a very

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rare moment of lucidity for me. Most of the time since I myself lived totally on the surface,

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not really noticing much of anything happening around me, allowing my mind to fill in most of the gaps

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that I wasn't paying attention to. Now this would never have even seemed strange to me. I would have

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just accepted that maybe I made a dumb mistake and moved into the seat quietly and that would have

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been the end of it. Not today. Today I was paying attention and I distinctly remembered my actions

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and I refused to allow my rational mind to dismiss the wonder of what was really happening.

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The truth is that we're constantly jumping from reality to reality to suit our thoughts,

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needs and lessons. And though I can't be sure why I would have jumped into a new reality right there

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where my seat was 20 seats instead of 20 D, I mean could be that the lady needed to sit next to her

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husband for some reason. I was moved to make room for that to happen or maybe I was meant to have

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this little bit of proof that the stuff we talk about on the show is undeniably real. Or maybe the

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universe knew that I've been looking for proof. Maybe it finally heard me and said okay,

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maybe he surrendered enough to finally notice all the signs that we are so plainly showing to him

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and is so evident to everyone else further along on their spiritual journey. But whatever the reason

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I'm sitting here absolutely beside myself, giddy with joy at having finally noticed the shift

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and thanking the universe for being such a marvelous, mysteriously wonderful place to live in.

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Or well maybe I did just imagine it all. Either way, this is a hell of a ride.

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Hi I'm Will and I'm here and today we're tackling the topic of reality jumping to help us get a

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handle on all the quantum leaping we're doing. Sorry I had to do it. We brought on the foremost

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expert in shifting realities, Cynthia Sue Larson. Now she is the best selling author of several books

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including quantum jumps, reality shifts and high energy money. She has a degree in physics from

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UC Berkeley so you know we're not just talking about the woo here. And she's a founder of reality

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shifters. Also the first president of the International Mandela Effect Conference, the managing

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director of foundations of mind and the creator and host of living it the quantum dream podcast.

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Now she's been featured in incredible shows like those found on Gaia, the history channel,

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Coast to Coast AM which I was actually a fan of. One world with Deepak Chopra and the BBC. I don't

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want to talk anymore. I want to bring her on to the show. Cynthia Sue Larson, thank you so much for

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coming on the show. Me with us. Thank you Will. Pleasure to be with you guys. Now did I

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posit the topic well? Are those the questions that you hear all the time people asking when you

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need to talk about the Mandela Effect? Yes, those are typical examples of the Mandela Effect and there

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are lots more having to do with products, physiology, geography, your name it pretty much anything and

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everything is open to this particular phenomenon. Which some people just want to back away from it

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sounds too weird. But others when they it's happened to them some of the reporters looking into it

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are just astonished by things that they know for sure used to be one way and now they're different.

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Like that mirror mirror on the wall. I mean that's absolutely what I remember that which saying when

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she was looking in the mirror. Oh yes. And it was not the magic mirror at all. Apparently the

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which of the man must know why they went through and edited everything. All the websites, all the old

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movie. That's much more plausible possibility. So then Cynthia how is it possible that we're

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remembering things differently? How can how can that be? Well there are lots of possible reasons for

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that and I personally love to get into the quantum physics explanations for this. I love it.

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Yeah, I love it too. However, it doesn't necessarily make things crystal clear and perfectly

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understandable as one might help. I love it a little bit less now. Because I really like it.

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Because it's this area the quantum interpretations of what's going on with quantum theory. Those are not

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yet pinned down and finalized. We have some discussion going. So we've got everything from the

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multiverse that a lot of people have heard about to things people have not so much heard about such

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as quantum Bayesianism, Cubism. Exactly. But it gets into this idea of subjectivity. Perhaps being

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having a lot more to do with what we're noticing. Things like what Eric Cavalcanti, the physicist

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calls vignare bubbles of reality. Reality bubbles. Which means maybe we have a subjective sense and

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awareness of what's going on. And maybe it doesn't even agree with what we think happened. So it's

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possible for us to be witnessing literally different realities. Oh, I am chomping at the bit to tell

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you something. But Karen, go ahead first. That just really explains the whole phrase. Some of them

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burst your bubble. I love it. I'm carrying with the pulling out the wisdom already in the show.

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I get lucky. That makes a lot of sense. That was brilliant. Love it. Karen.

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Okay. So then let's back up a little bit for those that may not be aware. If they've been living

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under rocks somewhere and they haven't heard of the Mandela effect, I know that it happens to be

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named after a very specific instance in our history. Can you talk to us about where this all came from?

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Yes. It originated with the memory that a lot of people had that Nelson Mandela

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died while he was incarcerated in prison on Robbins Island. And in that reality, he did not go on

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to become the president of South Africa. But we know he did become president of South Africa. So

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this is quite a conundrum. And the term came to be popularized after it was first mentioned. I

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wouldn't want to give credit to Art Bell on coast to coast. Oh, I loved Art Bell. Yeah. Yeah.

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Art Bell. He doesn't get enough nearly enough credit because he was getting deluged with faxes

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back in the day and phone calls and people calling and just say, what happened to Nelson Mandela?

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Why do we think that he died when he didn't? But she on a broom popularized the term around 2009.

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So for the last decade or more, we've been talking about this Mandela effect. Art Bell himself

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asked me if I would call it the Mandela effect. I said no because, you know, to me that even the

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example of Nelson Mandela having died for some of us, I remember that he died too. I remember

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the whole thing about his widow and what was going on with the property of the estate and

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and just it was just so sad when he passed away when he was incarcerated because it just seemed

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like such a waste of life. But that of course that didn't have bread with it. So how did he just

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pop back into the reality? Like, all of a sudden he's not dead? And like how? He's not the only one.

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Yeah, this is definitely something that some celebrities seem to go through at least for from our

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standpoint. How does that? That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. You ask, hey, someone's so dead and you

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look it up. No, no, he's still alive. Dr. Swarney died, right? You get that all the time.

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Absolutely. Yeah. I brought it up in my book, Reality Shifts because the actor of Larry Hagman,

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he passed away. And then in my reality, he was alive again. And I'm not the only one that noticed that.

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So before there was the Mandela effect, I didn't call it the Hagman effect. I called it

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alive again. Right. Well, at that point, it might have been the who killed J.R. effect, right?

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Because the whole thing with the Dallas TV show who killed J.R., he played J.R.

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viewing in that show and that some people say that that's why you remember him dying because of

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that show. And of course, the next season, we came back and suddenly it had all been a dream. So

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it kind of matches reality. Maybe is that is that like the Illuminati trying to just you've seen

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nothing like the force like you these are not the droids you're looking for kind of thing.

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That's a good question. I don't have the answer. I mean, some people do theorize that maybe there

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are some dark forces of foot. Maybe somebody's tampering with technology that they shouldn't have

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access to all that good stuff. I don't think we need to go there with these

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explanations because when I look for evidence of this phenomenon, I see it going back

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way before there were any cyclotrons before there was a large head run collider. So yeah, I was

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going to bring up that fact. A lot of people are kind of pointing their fingers at current,

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right? That's where the current, how do you say that? But,

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certain that massive collider that they have, that they're people are saying that that's actually

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causing us to alter realities. And some people think they're is going to open up a black hole and

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tear up our physical reality and destroy us all kinds of things, but you don't think they're

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having to do with it then. I see that the effect of the phenomenon go back prior to the time of

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cyclotrons. And so Mary Rose Barrington, she's a researcher that was noticing what she called just

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one of those things, J-O-T-T. And she was a paranormal researcher in the United Kingdom,

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also very well respected. And she wrote a book about it. And her information goes back

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like more than 100 years of reports and stories about this phenomenon. So I would say it's safe to

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recognize that this is an ongoing situation that it's a strange as it may seem. It's part of

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being human. And thanks to the internet, we're starting to share experiences, find out more about

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these things, get to the heart of what the reality really is. So then do you think this could have happened

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before the Mandela effect, right? For lack of a better term, before Mandela's death or not? Yes.

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Absolutely. Yeah, because I was writing about it back in the 1990s. I've been experiencing it all

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my life. And Mary Rose Barrington, as I just said, she's got documented reports going back to the early

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1900s. So this is quite remarkable that we've got a phenomenon with the long-established history.

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And I'm looking for the science. I'm looking to find out what can we show from perhaps a new way of

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viewing quantum theory, quantum physics that could explain this. And consciousness seems to play a

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big role. If we look at the subject of nature of each of our ability to observe reality,

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that seems to be playing a big role too. So we're going to gather the evidence to see,

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in a where is it taking us? Well, before we get into the science of it, can you tell me what are some

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of the earliest documented examples of this? I'm so curious now. What did she find?

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Okay. She was noticing, like I said, just one of those things. She had reference to this whole syntax

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of things like walkabouts and comebacks. She had different terminology to follow to explain it.

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But these were things that we might notice, just household items, disappearing or just appearing,

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like arriving out of nowhere. I would call it disappearing and reappearing. And she had

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different terminology. But she was putting hands in newspapers and periodicals to get people to

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share their reports. Because she was certain this was definitely happening, definitely a thing.

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As far as I know, there weren't reports of people being alive again. That would be my terminology

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for certain specific variation of the Mandela effect. But she's absolutely noticing

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on a case by case, very personalized basis. These, what I would call reality shifts.

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So it wasn't like everyone thinking, Ricky Riccardo said, "Lucy, you guys can explain

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into do when you never said that." That was, there wasn't like a mask. I was just individual.

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I was there. I saw him say it. I didn't. That one, I know. I think I said the art bell when he

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interviewed me. I said, "You've got some explaining to do." That's awesome. That's awesome.

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Yeah. I love this conversation. It jazves me up so much. Something happened. I got to ask you

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question because I can't, I can't hold it back any longer. Something happened to me not long ago.

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Like last week as a matter of fact, as I was traveling. So before I get into it, the people who

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have listened to this episode, the beginning of the episode will have heard the story. So I'm just

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going to give you a truncated version. Thank you, version of the stories. That's a don't bore the

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audience. But before I go into it, is it possible for someone to actually notice a shift? Or is

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there something that happens and we don't notice until after the fact? Like in the middle of it happening.

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I have noticed it in the middle of it happening. Yes. Yes. It's totally possible to happen a

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couple of times. A few times. That is really astonishing when that happens. Yeah. It is. It is

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amazing. I had to call Karen as soon as it happened to me because I could not believe it. I was

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traveling. I was on a flight and the day before I checked on my app. Like I said before, this is not,

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this show is not sponsored by Delta Airlines. But I was flying Delta. I had the Delta app on. I looked

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down on my seat assignment. Like I do every time I fly day before to just make sure I everything's

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all set and I checked in. It is 20D. I'm all set. I get to the airport. I check again to make sure

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I'm 20D. Okay. Right. I must have checked three, four, five times because I'm OCD sometimes

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about that kind of stuff. I get on the airplane. I sit down in 20D because I looked at it again.

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Sit down in 20D and a couple of minutes later, a woman comes down and I go, "Oh, dear,

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in my seat." No, of course I'm not. I'm 20D. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. I miss the D is the ILC. You

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must mean the middle seat, which is open. And she goes, "No, no. My seat is 20D." I said, "No, of

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course, now I open up my app to show her. And as I'm watching, I see 20D ends in an instant. It

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shift to 20C. Like in the media, like I was looking at it for a split second. It said 20D. And then

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suddenly it said 20C in this flight attendant, of course, in my shock. It took the flight attendant

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to say to me, "Oh, no, sir, you're in 20C. Who's looking to look over my shoulder?" I didn't know what to

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do. So, of course, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. I can't understand this. So I went and sat in 20C.

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So my question is, because we talk a lot on the show about reality shifting for different reasons.

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If it's because you have to learn something or there's something that someone needs or something

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like that, so I was curious, like, what could it possibly mean? Why would the reality have shifted

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in that sense? Why would the universe have gone from a universe where Nelson Mandela died?

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To universe where Nelson Mandela was alive? What purpose is there in that?

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Well, lots of purposes. For one thing with Nelson Mandela, we get the benefit of decades more of

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his life and the good things that he said and did. And so forth, he was a very positive force for good.

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With the case of a seat, then you've got a conversation happening that you might not have had

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otherwise might bring up the whole topic that you might not otherwise have talked about.

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Then to me, those are good things too. So I would see the silver lining there.

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That's a great point. But I question myself, why, you know, curious George having a tail or not?

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What does that have to do with the T in China, right? Why does 20D and 20C, what's it make different?

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Now, to me, I've been looking for the universe to give me a sign that this stuff that we're talking

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about is legit. So maybe that was what the universe was going.

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Damn, there is will stop complaining. I showed you. Absolutely.

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All right, well, so on behalf of our audience, I'm going to be you now.

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Okay. Oh boy. Were you drinking?

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It doesn't matter whether I was drinking or not. That is besides the point. I remember it.

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I watched it the day before. I saw the sea assignment the day before. Before I had anything to drink.

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Now, but that was just joking with that. But here's like a legit question. Could it have been that

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the technology like your seat had been changed and it the for whatever reason in the computer on the

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plane and it had not updated. And you saw the moment it was updating on your phone. I thought that

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I went back and checked in the seat that I had before was 26D, not 20D.

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Maybe you were just wait, what? You were like way wrong. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, sorry, no, no,

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you thought it had to be 26D. No, I thought I misunderstood you. I thought you meant my previous

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flight. My previous leg might have been 20D and it had we hadn't updated itself to the next flight.

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No, I mean like the seating chart of that flight in the computer. Maybe that was updating when you

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looked at it on your app. Because if it had been like a paper ticket and you saw that

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chain was doing well, I'd hold the cow. But like with electronics, you know, you just never know.

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That is a fair point. However, you can tell when an app is updating and there was no updating

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happening at the time that I saw it. Like there, there's a little little thing that goes around the

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circles when it's updating. There was no update. It just shift it. It just changed. It was immediate.

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I just had to be the skeptic. I understand, but I don't like it. So I'm just skeptic.

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Now you're in the hot seat. I know what it feels like. For the other poor people that you ask

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those questions. I apologize to everyone who's been on the show before.

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So this conversation is fascinating. I could talk to you about this for an hour, but we got to

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take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to continue speaking with Cynthia Sue Larson

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about the Mandela Effect and how we potentially are shifting our realities from one reality to

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another. We'll be right back after these words. And now back to the skeptic manifestations.

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And we're back on the skeptic manifestations. We are speaking about shifting realities and we are

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comparing notes because I had some strange things happen to me that it made me stand up and take

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notice. I can't explain it. So if you are just tuning in now, then you missed a lot.

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Rewind the tape and go back and start from beginning because it would be worth you while Cynthia.

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Before the break, we're about to go into the science of all this stuff. You're going to explain

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this whole hand waving away and tell us how this all works. So the floor is yours.

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Well, I can lay some foundation. I can't explain the whole thing.

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We'll start with just the idea that in quantum physics, there are some basic principles where

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you may have heard of spooky action at a distance. That's what Albert Einstein explains.

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Albert Einstein? Yeah. Absolutely.

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When he's talking about this concept of basically entanglement where there might be

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sort of a group of quantum particles that they share some properties. They're basically one

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entangled system in a sense. And they move together, which is to say that if they all have spin-up

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at the same time, where if one spin-up or the other spin-down, if you make an observation of this one

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that's next to you, the farther one will be making a corresponding change at the same time.

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So this is just one of the basic facts about quantum physics. We know that that's true.

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It sounds really weird because it seems like it's happening regardless of the space between things.

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And there have been a lot of... there's a lot of conjecture about that. Are we breaking the speed

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of light, speed limit? If something's able to instantaneously change when it's so far apart,

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but clearly it can. And all of this definitely does happen based on an observation. So there's the

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role of conscience agency definitely happening. And this is such a big... The science of the

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Mandela effect is so huge that I don't think we can adequately address it just in a few minutes,

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but I want people to understand that some of the principles of quantum physics are laying the

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groundwork for us to start recognizing that what we're seeing and what we expect to see in the so-called

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realm of the very, very small also occurs at every level and every scale of reality, including the

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cosmos. Meaning that it can happen that we might notice that we're in a different part of the

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universe, for example. Just to back up for a second because the people who are listening probably know

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what entanglement is, but there might be some that don't... I haven't heard a story. You're referencing

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a study that was done where particles that were connected in some way before were split apart and

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was 14 miles apart from each other, seven miles one, seven miles the other. And they affected one

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particle and the measure to see how long it would take for the other particle to affect the same

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change. And they found that was instantaneous. It wasn't there was no time that went between the two.

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Is that that kind of correct? I'm not a scientist. I want to make sure I got it right. That's right.

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There are constantly experiments confirming this fact that quantum entanglement is quite real

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property of quantum physics. So that's absolutely for sure. What's not so for certain is which of the

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possible interpretations of quantum physics is happening. What's the reason? What's going on? That

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kind of thing. That's where the conversation happens. There is a school of thought that says that

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this proves that if you were one at one point, right? If you were one thing at one point and we're

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separated at some point, then we are always connected at the quantum level, no matter how far where we are.

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So people are saying this proof that we like everyone says we are all one, right? We're all connected.

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Right. So anything that you do for one person actually ultimately affects the others around this,

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because we were one at one point at the big bang. That's something. Yeah, that is that's true. And this

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could tie in with some of the physiological Mandela effects that we are noticing, such as some of us

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remember what a kidney punch was and where the human kidneys used to be. We remember, I mean,

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if I just ask you guys now, where do you think the human kidneys are? Like if you put your hands

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over your kidneys, right? Yeah, we'll you're doing it. Yeah, yeah, we'll take care of that. Yeah, that's

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where they used to be. And so it was illegal in boxing and martial arts. Yeah, I know. What do you mean they used to

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wear them? Where did they go? They have wrote slightly upwards to the relative safety of the ribcage.

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So now, no, they're not the beach. They're lifting it up. They've got they've moved up. So it doesn't

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really make sense to stop the kidney punch from happening because kidneys aren't quite where we

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remember. They used to be, but notice we don't put our hands there. You know, this is a totally

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big evolution. We just haven't written no one's made a good, you know, I wasn't whatever in a long time.

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It was spontaneous. It's like a huge jump. It's like quantum jump.

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Right. It's right. From the time I woke up yesterday to today. I mean, you know, we saw a TV

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show the other day when he, I got punched in the kidneys in the back and he was like, oh, right?

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Apparently someone didn't get a memo. Maybe he got shot in the spleen and didn't realize.

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He thought it was the kidneys. So you're going to see some residue like that. Some people call it

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reality residue where we've got evidence showing that some of us remember that, but remember,

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if humanity is entangled and if we're getting some sort of a physiological upgrade like that,

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then it is happening to all eight billion people on the planet simultaneously because we are

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entangled to that degree. Now I feel all cramped up in here. It's breaking me out.

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There's not enough room in there for kidneys to get out of here. Go back down.

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Oh my goodness. This is incredible. Wow. Yeah. It's freaking me out about the kidneys.

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Everything else we just talked about didn't freak you out and took the kidneys to freak you out.

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Also, it's getting personal. I don't think it's like you can explain a lot of the stuff we like.

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The curious George tail thing. Okay. So maybe some people think they see the monkey he's wearing pants.

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If you got pants on, you're not going to have a tail. I mean, finish. So the other people think he's

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a monkey. He's got a tail. So they automatically see the tail. The other one see the pants.

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You know, so I could see some of that stuff happening as a matter of fact.

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Kidneys. Curious George did not wear pants. He didn't wear pants. He did not wear pants. He had

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a tail. So he couldn't wear pants. He didn't have pants. Well, maybe they wanted him to wear pants.

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And if he had had pants on, he wouldn't have. No. Cindy, is it possible? The third reality came in.

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We're Karen remembers Curious George with pants. Could we be living in that much of a difference?

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I have seen examples of that such as the thinker statue. It looks like that statue with the position

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of the hand is moved around. And so it's been in several different positions for some people.

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I'm just. Some people remember it was on the forehead. Some people remember on the chin.

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You know, it's a chin. It's definitely the chin. He's like this on the chin.

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Yeah, you could see his face. Oh my god. Now I'm saying, I know. Oh no.

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Feeling on the position of it in the way it's position is kind of interesting.

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So it's really good to show like what you remember right now. And that's one where there are several

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different correct answers, meaning they may not match what it shows. The Rodan sculpture. But

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to me, they're all second guessing my whole life right now. Oh, everything. Are you? Well,

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are we married? I'm sorry. My name is Steve. I know you.

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Yeah, no, it actually so it brings up a good point because a while back, we had a group of people

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talking about really in like deep conversation stuff. We got into the couple of conversations that

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might actually relate to this. One was simulation theory, right? That we're all living in a simulation

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that could put perhaps before making changes in it. And that could be what we're remembering.

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The other is the fact that we might just be constructs of each other's reality. So what I see

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as reality, the way I create the universe is completely different. The way Karen creates the

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universe. And we are seeing things differently, even even as much as like maybe how do you explain

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the color green to someone who is blind? But you can't. So what she sees as green might be purple to

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me and we have no way of knowing. Right. Yeah, I would I've seen so much evidence to suggest we

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are getting subjective personal realities. There is some coherence because of the entanglements so

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that we're recognizing some things similarly. But there's also this factor that you're mentioning

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right now where it can be quite different as well. And that's also kind of disturbing for a lot of

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people when you realize that you talk about early childhood situations when you were a kid and

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you're sibling remembers it quite differently. And they're certain that it what you remember did not

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happen that way. That's exactly what happened my brother. He thinks I tortured him. But I know I did

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not love him. Well, my sister had asked them. Maybe she had a kidney infection this whole time.

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There can be some big differences. So it makes a difference to you in a pay attention to the

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intentions and the questions that we're asking. You know, intentions about the past and the future.

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Just keeping things positive. There's something that I found makes a huge good positive difference as well.

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Wow. How did you get interested in this? Like what? What caused you to

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I was I was not interested in this. Yeah, I was not studying it. You know, because I was watching it

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happen. I remember that I went on a vacation with my parents. They made a promise to some wood carvers

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that will get photos of this furniture that they ordered that it was put on a boat from India to

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the United States. Took a long time to get there. When it finally arrived, then of course, there's

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a whole process of getting it cleaned up and in position. Now it's in the house. I remind my parents,

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well, what about the photographs? What photographs? The pictures that you promised you're going to take.

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And my parents don't lie, but they were assuring me. No, we never made any promise like that.

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If it was there was that, then I also heard a song that they were saying for the first time ever,

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we're going to play this on the radio. And I'd heard it so many times before that I was completely sick of it.

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And I thought, you're kidding me. Not that song. You know, and so and I would ask my sister,

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do you remember this song? And she didn't know what I was talking about. But these are early examples

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of the Mandela effect in the 1970s. And so I've had I've been having it since the 60s my whole life.

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And so I know it goes way, way, way back. It's just not new, but we're noticing it with the internet.

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So Karen, next time I say I didn't say that, it might just be we're in different realities.

381
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It's not me not remembering things correctly. Yeah, now you had an excuse. I don't know.

382
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Totally do. Thank you, Cynthia. I said this in court. I was on jury due to selection. And I said all

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this and guess what? I got selected for the jury. And that I know I explained this. The judge

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leaned forward and he said, but you will abide by the rules of this court. And I said, I think,

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and did you not just hear everything I said? I said, yes. They said, any lean back, he was happy.

386
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And both of the attorneys were happy. So I know that that's surprising. Well, I guess it made I

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don't know that it made sense to them, but it didn't sound insane. Because so this is very strange

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times we're living. You really is. Wow. I mean, to me, it doesn't sound insane, but it does at the same

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time. So maybe I'm living, I'm straddling two different realities or none one it's insane and the

390
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other one it's not because I'm pre-conflicted on this whole thing. It is challenging a natural assumption

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that we have objectivity that we can make such a thing as an objective observation. And that that's

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one truth that everyone can agree on. It's a direct challenge to that. But then so are some of these

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other ways of looking at quantum physics. So that's why it's interesting to consider the two together.

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And now you kind of second guessing, I'm thinking back to maybe people who are in

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instrumental institutions because they remember things differently than everybody else could that

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have been something like this. Maybe they're fine. They're just stuck in that other reality. It's

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scary because there's a slight possibility that you know, you've seen the sci-fi shows where

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someone comes back from time and everything's completely different. He's the only one that remembers

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the way things were but the rest of his family are strangers to him. That kind of thing. Level with

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me. I hope possible. Is that? To some degree, I'd say anything's pretty much possible for what I've seen.

401
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Oh great. But there's there's the good thing. Remember the entanglement. This is a good thing

402
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that those spooky action at a distance. The fact that we can be entangled was loved with one

403
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another. The fact that when all of our kidneys change, they all seem to jump upwards together. We

404
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get a huge evolutionary improvement seemingly overnight. So these are good things. That means that if

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you're noticing a change, typically you're not going to be the only one. And that's what's amazing

406
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about the Mandela effect. So many people are together noticing huge changes to what they think was

407
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true. But do you think people will or can use it as an excuse for forgetting conversations or things

408
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like Will was joking about joking? When are you talking about? I tend to believe in my life hell.

409
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I believe in the goodness of human beings. I believe that people are not setting out to be annoying

410
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or mischievous or causing trouble for no reason. Absolutely. Yeah. It brings up another point. Because

411
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another theory that I might think about is the fact that we've talked to people that say that we

412
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quantum surf. Reality Transurfing. Reality Transurfing where they talk about different diverging

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timelines. Could it be that we are living different timelines? We remember different things.

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And Karen, that I see here in this conversation might not be the same Karen that I married 15 years

415
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ago. Well, these are good points that you bring up. And Philip K. Dick, he's the author of

416
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so many science fiction novels. So for the K. Dick, yeah. Yes. Because he brought this up. He gave a

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talk in Metz France where he was really talking about the Mandela effect. He was talking about reality

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shifts, quantum jumping, reality Transurfing, all of this basically because he was saying,

419
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what if he go to flip one of light switch and it's not where you remember it that it was? And it's

420
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completely different. And I described this in my book Reality Shifts. But that was in the 1990s.

421
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And here Philip K. Dick has had 20 years ahead of all of us in the 1970s bringing this up. So

422
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I think he really deserves a lot of credit for having the courage to have mentioned that. He also

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said that he had experienced many timelines. And the title of his talk was if you think this world

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is bad, you should see some of the others. That's all about the timeline idea. All about that.

425
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I love that. Yeah. And Karen, it kind of goes along the lines of our thought process as where we

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create our own reality. So it was to us because we're really focused on the positive things in life.

427
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Those negative entities that people talk about all the time. We don't experience that because it's

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not that doesn't exist in our reality. So this could be the same general effect where

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we have decided to go down this timeline. But there's another alternate Karen and Will that

430
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went down the other timeline that are right now in battle with demons as we speak.

431
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Well, hopefully not you just I know right. I would my preference would be to prune those timeline

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true. You know, it's like branches on a tree. And you do that. I do that all the time that passed

433
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in the future because I don't want any version of me to be taken over by demons. That's unacceptable.

434
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Oh, yeah. Any kind of demon activities on example of my case. Yes. I agree. So how do you do that?

435
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How do you prove those timelines? It's the power of conscious agency and levels of conscious agency.

436
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So when we talk about ourselves, you know, who am I? You know, what level of conscious agency and

437
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am I employing? This gets me on shizooks because so far they haven't been looking at these things.

438
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I think they're going to have to pretty soon, especially with cubism and relativistic quantum theory

439
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and so forth. But basically, okay, let's make it simple. You've got your idea in your head. That's

440
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what you're thinking. Your idea and your heart. That's what you're feeling and your idea and your

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gut. That's what you know that you need. And it's absolutely has to happen. But if these are not lined

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up, then you can be pulled different directions. There are also higher levels of conscious agency above

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what fits in our body. And this gets into when you meditate. You do those meditations where you notice

444
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the thoughts and feelings you're observing or not necessarily you. But you are something greater

445
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than that. You're the observer. So what is that observer? So in the more you can identify with these

446
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higher levels of conscious agency, the more likely it is that you can start exerting some positive

447
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influence along the lines of what I'm talking about where you can through and those possible

448
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timelines in your life that there's no reason that you would ever wish to inflict on yourself or anyone.

449
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It's like lucid dreaming but awake. Yeah. That's amazing. What you're saying about the meditation

450
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and all that kind of stuff makes perfect sense. We are the observer with a watcher or the whole thing.

451
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And we've heard it many times about the closer you are to self, the easier it is to not predict your

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outcome but actually create your own reality. Create the outcome that you that you prefer.

453
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But for those of us that are not out there meditating and not consciously trying to make effect

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specific changes in us. Are we forever trapped in like who makes the decisions do we jump together?

455
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Is it one person? Is it a massive amount of people? Does it have to be a certain critical mass

456
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that we make changes or can one dude sit in the corner decide I want my kidneys in my rib cage?

457
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Well, usually one person might be able to affect everything but that doesn't typically happen.

458
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Getting back to your original question, what about the dude is not meditating? The person there's

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their cut up in it. Some people might call them a non-player character but I don't. I consider that

460
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they're just not a race car yet. They're not revved up and they're not like souped up and super

461
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powerful and all engines pulling together as one instead. They've got some disalignment probably

462
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if they're not meditating. So their head, their heart, their gut, that's not lined up. They're not

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in harmonious alignment necessarily. If you meditate, it's more likely you'll start moving toward

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alignment. Once you're in alignment, then you can start moving toward higher levels of conscious

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agency. Meanwhile, you're definitely getting the benefit of the tipping point of humanity as we're

466
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evolving consciously together. This is huge grounds. Well, we are reaching a change point as more

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than 10% of the people in the United States, for example, are meditating. That's having a huge impact.

468
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The hundreds monkeys syndrome where all of us being entangled, we're kind of pulling together. They're

469
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arising, tied, lifts all boats. That's definitely happening right now. That's good news.

470
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Yeah, I tend to look at it positively. Even the person who's not meditating,

471
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they're getting the benefits. They still need to work on lining things up. At least do that.

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What they think they want is what they love and what they truly need. If that's not lined up,

473
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what I'm really saying is if they don't, they're going to start manifesting a mess.

474
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That might be actually what's happened because we are a mess right now.

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All the minute he towards a good, forgot it's sake.

476
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How does I'm sorry? I'm just having so many questions.

477
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How does this work with spirituality? When you die and you go to wherever you go,

478
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is the whole time reality, transforming happening down here, is it happening up there? Is it both

479
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are their choices? I call it quantum jumping. For me, their reality shifting, both are true.

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Their popular terms right now too. What we're doing when we do that is to engage the true identity

481
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of who we are, recognizing that maybe this is all Maya. It's all a dream. That's what the ancient

482
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teaching is saying from thousands of years ago.

483
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Only as this a dream, but we also notice that it could be maybe a simulation. That's a new

484
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fangled word for the same thing. But if we're looking at that and recognizing if we've got

485
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subjective reality, meaning that each individual conscious agent has something to do with what

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they're experiencing, they were all co-creating together, and it's all sort of an illusion,

487
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then what is the spiritual truth here? To me, that's very important because it shows that there's

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an underlying order to everything. That's what I see when I look deeply. I start seeing that there

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is ultimate goodness. I know that's a very precise way of looking at the idea that in philosophy,

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there can be one best possible world. There's the work of a living philosopher, Nicholas

491
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Resher. He wrote a book called Axiogenesis picking up the positive philosophy of viewpoints

492
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and bringing that whole idea forward. I think it's beautiful, but he's basically taking the ideas

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that were first proposed by Gottfried Wilhelm Leipnitz, who was a co-creator for calculus and such a brilliant

494
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genius of a person. But he originated the idea of the perennial philosophy that all of the paths of

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experience and spirituality kind of lead toward a pinnacle point when you attain the physical experience

496
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of stillness and you instantly acquire a very difficult experience to describe, but it's that place

497
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where you're in insinity and you're in eternity together. I think that's the key to this whole process.

498
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So yes, it definitely plays a role. Is it accelerating? Is it a more and more people

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realizing these effects, these changes? Yes, it is accelerating. And it is happening, I think, because

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in large part, because so many people are experiencing it. There's a huge grounds well of momentum now.

501
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So even people that didn't wish to experience such a thing, and I do hear from them, they say,

502
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:01,680
look, I have not meditated Cynthia. What's happening? I didn't want this to happen. But it's

503
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that rising tide business. They're noticing reality is changing. It's not what they thought it was.

504
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They explained a lot. Everything we talk about on the show, Karen, because even manifesting could

505
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be explained by this, by the consciousness shift, the timeline, the reality shifts, all that

506
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kind of stuff. It could be that we're just hopping into a timeline that gives us what we are

507
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:30,320
asking for. It's super exciting because I had been asking for a sign for a very long time. I've seen

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the numbers by the three, three, three, three, and 11, 11, and stuff. And I've been opening myself up

509
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more and more to point where a lot of people telling me you're trying too hard. So very recently,

510
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I decided to just release surrender. Let's see what happens. If something happens, if it doesn't,

511
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it's okay. I'm here for a reason, and that's all good. And as soon as I did that, bam, the seat

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changed from 20D to 20C. So I welcome, I welcome these reality shifts because it makes me sit up and go

513
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holy smokes. This stuff is real. And if that wasn't great, that was an upgrade too, because see is passing.

514
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So yay. You passed. Yes. I love it. Oh my god. It's just so, like I'm thinking about it now. I have this

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visual of like the earth, like surrounded by all these lines of all these million people in their

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realities. And this is frenetic energy. And it's chaotic and stressing me out. I mean, how do you,

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how do you, if you're thinking, if this is what the reality is, how do you find peace?

518
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This is where grounding is important. So walking barefoot, just laying down on the grass or on the

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earth, if you're able to do that, hug a tree, if you can do that, meditate, if that works for you.

520
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You know, anything made for some people music, for some people slowing their breathing down.

521
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So there are many, many ways to do this, but it's becoming essential for our sanity. Now it is to

522
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really get grounded, stay relaxed, laugh if you can. And just one more question. The quantum jumping,

523
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is it something that you have to intentionally do, or does it happen? And if it just happens all the

524
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time, can you intentionally stop it? So you can just kind of have that one reality.

525
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The way I use the terminology, I've, I've, back in the 1990s, I was calling it reality shifting,

526
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when it was a random thing that just happened, like a Mandela effect. And then later I,

527
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worked with the term quantum jump to indicate, this is something intentional. And I, I like to use caution

528
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when doing intentional quantum jumps, because we might think we're doing something that we think we want,

529
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but really make sure it's lined up with your heart, lined up with what you actually need. And don't

530
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get anything that you don't actually need. Because this really is a spiritual practice, and you are

531
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impacting much more than what we realize. It's, it's huge.

532
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That's a great point. So should we just be happy with what we've got rather than try to make things happen?

533
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I would recommend just keep asking how good can it get, and how good can I get, and really bring

534
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this idea of optimalism into your life. Because we know what it is subconsciously, and we know what we

535
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need. And it kind of helps you relax. And then suddenly things aren't so hard or difficult. I mean,

536
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it might seem difficult, but you can relax at least, so that you can trust in a faith, that there's

537
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something that there's a higher order going on, that there's some connection happening, and that

538
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there's a higher level of conscious agency working in favor for all of us.

539
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I found my new mantra, how good can it be, how good can it get, that is fantastic. That's such a great

540
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way to look at life. That's exact. I'm going to be saying it all the time. Karen, how good can it get?

541
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That's fantastic. Thank you. Great. Yeah. We are, hopefully out of time. This has been a fantastic

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conversation. Is there anything else that we haven't touched on that you want to make sure that

543
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everyone listening gets? Just to remember that you're much more important and significant, and the

544
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,280
thoughts that you're having, the feelings are having, definitely are having a very powerful effect.

545
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So I would definitely recommend starting each day with that question, how good can it get, and ask

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it no matter how you're feeling, no matter what's going on, even if it seems sarcastic, say it anyway,

547
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challenge the cosmos, we're in a participatory universe, and you'll definitely get a good answer

548
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when you ask a good question. So keep asking the questions that you most want to live, the answers to.

549
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That's excellent. I like that. Yeah. So you heard it first here, if you want to reach out to us,

550
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we'd love to hear how good can the show get. So let us know what you'd like to hear.

551
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Of course, Cynthia, we're going to add all the links to your website, your social media, all that

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kind of stuff on our show notes. So all you need to do is go to skepticmanivision.com, and you'll find

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her links directly laid into her episode. So don't delay reach out to her because this was

554
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absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing of this wisdom and

555
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information in mind, altering thought processes because you know Karen and I can be thinking about

556
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this for a long time. A long time. Thank you so, so much. It was such a pleasure. Love talking with

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you, but likewise, and Karen, we got some explaining to do. And I'm going to be good. Thanks again.

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She wrote to us about the episode with Galeana Akin and she says, "Loved this episode. I got my soul

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contract yesterday. She's booked for a one-on-one until September so I did the soul contract chart

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and watched the videos. I could not possibly wait till September to learn my chart. How powerful

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and validating it is to learn about yourself. I cannot even put into words. Just as you guys mentioned

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how you felt, I felt so seen. Thank you so much for putting this out there for others to dive into

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you. I've truly learned so much about the world, life and myself in your episodes. I appreciate you both."

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And then she added a green heart. Well, non-conforming mama when we appreciate you sharing your feedback

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on that episode with us. And if you'd like to hear your comments on a future episode, then just go

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to skepticmedivision.com. You can leave us a voicemail or an email directly from there. You could follow us

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on Facebook or Instagram @SkepticMedivision Podcasts. We love to hear from our audience and would

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really love to hear from you. And hey, if you send us a message, unless something catastrophic happens,

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we're going to personally reply back. And you never know. You might just hear your words read on

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the air in a future episode. And a huge thank you to you. Yes, you, the person that hit play on this

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episode, we know that there are tons of options out there. And having you decide to come along on

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our journey of discovery with us is an absolute honor for us. We hope you've enjoyed this conversation

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as much as we have. We'd love for you to contribute by sending us a voicemail or an email from our website

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or leave us a review on Apple podcasts or any other podcasting platform that supports them.

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Karen and I love hearing from those that have moved to message us. It truly does fuel our passion.

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You are the reason we do this show and knowing what you like and don't like help us craft the very

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best show we can so that we can help raise the vibration of the planet together. Well, that's all

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for now. We will see you on the next episode of The Skeptic Medephsitions. Until then, take care.

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